Black

I haven't been for a while and decided to hit Black this Saturday and again last night but was not looking to buy anything. My conclusion is that it is actually not a bad place to warm-up these days before heading out elsewhere. If you know what you are doing (and it ain't always easy) , this IS a good place to get the number of some hottie who will put out at a much reduced rate later on. But it does take work and even some game. And sometimes it goes nowhere too. I've had mixed success over the years, but success nevertheless.

Saturday:

Had a really good selection of girls and virtually no guys, I would estimate a 10:1 ratio easily at around midnight. 2:00am. So the girls were actually a bit more agressive than I've ever seen them in here before. The 180 peso entrance fee covered two drinks on both nights, which if you think about it, makes Black as inexpensive as any other club. Call it a loss-leader because they can certainly get you once you go in. I recogized a couple of the girls from Madahos and at least one from Newport, so the BA Club recycling machine is working well. You get all of 2 minutes serious conversation before the obligatory drink is both demanded and required in order to keep going. 1 x 400 peso drink was my limit for a solid 9 tall beauty (so now I'm looking at 600 pesos and no gurantee of a phone number. This is definately a longer-term investment strategy and not for everyone). I didn't get the number but I did get a good vibe and a definate 'maybe next time' signal and so decided to double-down and follow up.

Sunday:

I already had two girls lined up for Sunday, one in the early evening (thanks TL) and then onto one of my favouritas set up for later, so decided to hit Black again and try my luck. Got there around midnight and it was ugly. Night and Day from Saturday. Probably an evenly matched girl / guy ratio and worse was to come. So sitting at the bar listening to these idiots drive the price through the roof was definatley Not music to my ears. Someone pass me the sick bag! These two west-coast, expense account types were totally in over the heads with a couple of hot, merciless pro's. I'm pretty sure that I heard US$400 for TLN and away they both went. They know not what they do Lord. Unfucking believable! The only good news is that, after another 400 peso drink I finally got to number-close with my target and we'll see what happens next but I now need to give it a few days to let the hunger set back in thanks to those turkeys. My advice is stay away on Sundays.

[QUOTE=WalkOnBye; 424905]I haven't been for a while and decided to hit Black this Saturday and again last night but was not looking to buy anything. My conclusion is that it is actually not a bad place to warm-up these days before heading out elsewhere. If you know what you are doing (and it ain't always easy) , this IS a good place to get the number of some hottie who will put out at a much reduced rate later on. But it does take work and even some game. And sometimes it goes nowhere too. I've had mixed success over the years, but success nevertheless.

Saturday:

Had a really good selection of girls and virtually no guys, I would estimate a 10:1 ratio easily at around midnight. 2:00am. So the girls were actually a bit more agressive than I've ever seen them in here before. The 180 peso entrance fee covered two drinks on both nights, which if you think about it, makes Black as inexpensive as any other club. Call it a loss-leader because they can certainly get you once you go in. I recogized a couple of the girls from Madahos and at least one from Newport, so the BA Club recycling machine is working well. You get all of 2 minutes serious conversation before the obligatory drink is both demanded and required in order to keep going. 1 x 400 peso drink was my limit for a solid 9 tall beauty (so now I'm looking at 600 pesos and no gurantee of a phone number. This is definately a longer-term investment strategy and not for everyone). I didn't get the number but I did get a good vibe and a definate 'maybe next time' signal and so decided to double-down and follow up.

Sunday:

I already had two girls lined up for Sunday, one in the early evening (thanks TL) and then onto one of my favouritas set up for later, so decided to hit Black again and try my luck. Got there around midnight and it was ugly. Night and Day from Saturday. Probably an evenly matched girl / guy ratio and worse was to come. So sitting at the bar listening to these idiots drive the price through the roof was definatley Not music to my ears. Someone pass me the sick bag! These two west-coast, expense account types were totally in over the heads with a couple of hot, merciless pro's. I'm pretty sure that I heard US$400 for TLN and away they both went. They know not what they do Lord. Unfucking believable! The only good news is that, after another 400 peso drink I finally got to number-close with my target and we'll see what happens next but I now need to give it a few days to let the hunger set back in thanks to those turkeys. My advice is stay away on Sundays.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a pretty expensive phone number.

I have been coming to BA for almost 5 years now. I have picked up girls from Madhaos and Black.

Come to think of it, are these girls worth it? I mean spending premium dollars to get them in bed.

In my experience, their are too many options in BA than to burn money in these two places despite smoking hot girls.

What do you guys think?

[QUOTE=Member #3320; 425026]I have been coming to BA for almost 5 years now. I have picked up girls from Madhaos and Black.

Come to think of it, are these girls worth it? I mean spending premium dollars to get them in bed.

In my experience, their are too many options in BA than to burn money in these two places despite smoking hot girls.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]I think most of the people spending over 100p just for a drink are fools! Let alone more then 300p a hour of some girls time. All you do is encourage the idea that these gringos are fools. There are women falling out of the trees here. Thats what this forum is for. Plus if you are really lazy, just give TL a call. All these people do is notch up the prices a little more each time.

[QUOTE=Member #3320; 425026]I have been coming to BA for almost 5 years now. I have picked up girls from Madhaos and Black.

Come to think of it, are these girls worth it? I mean spending premium dollars to get them in bed.

In my experience, their are too many options in BA than to burn money in these two places despite smoking hot girls.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Gatohunter brought up some new avenues on his trip like the discos. Of the normal methods, I prefer the privado to try out girls and then if things click, order take out or to order recommended chicas from websites. The Sugar daddy idea of Gatohunter is also appealing.

Regarding Blacks, one time a group of us went club hopping. Someone knew somebody, because there was no entrance fee. Wall-to-wall women that night. It was interesting and there were a lot of attractive women, but the whole atmosphere was a little too in-your-face for me. We were probably there for only 15 minutes and I was ready to go before then. A spinner sitting near me would have normally been my type. Her two words to me were drink and then fxck. I hadn't even spoken a word to her and had just glanced in her direction. That was really a turn off. Much better connection at another club a little later.

[QUOTE=Member #3320; 425026]I have been coming to BA for almost 5 years now. I have picked up girls from Madhaos and Black.

Come to think of it, are these girls worth it? I mean spending premium dollars to get them in bed.

In my experience, their are too many options in BA than to burn money in these two places despite smoking hot girls.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]I haven't been there for years but from what I read I think their practices have changed a lot. I also understand that Danny doesn't run it anymore which may explain the change. Back in the salad days of 2002-2008 Black, while expensive, was usually a pleasurable experience. There was always extremely hot women who where not allowed to approach you first. They could display what the had but you had to invite them. After inviting them you could pretty much work out the whole deal before buying them the drink.

As far as their worth I can only say that without a doubt the best piece of ass I've ever had in my entire life came from there. This chica had what can only be described as a phd in sexually enticing, amplifying, and finishing a male in the sack. She really was incredible. After the first very expensive outing she gave me her number and afterwards I could arrange a tryst for about 1/2 of her normal price which at the time was twice what I was paying a chica from hook excedra or cattos and about 2. 5 time the prevailing rate at a privado. I thought it was well worth it and would happily pay it again if I could find her.

All that being said, I think unless you are seriously fucking loaded there are simply too many other options to satisfy the little head for far less money and from what I read far less hassle than Black. For 700 p you can have an hour with Luli and Mica at 930 Paraguay, that amount would just about cover your entrada, chica drink, taxi, and telo at black and the rigalito would still need to be paid.

I think DR hit the nail on the head. In general, I think Black and Madaho are expensive for what you get (which often times includes a bad case of golden pussy syndrome). However, every now and then, you can find a diamond amongst the cubic zirconia.

My first boliche experience (back when I thought that the world was boliche - rhymes with Bariloche), was at Black, during the height of the 'salad days' on my first ever trip to Bs As. Holy sh*t. My buddy brought me there, after we loaded up on bife y malbec. I had never discussed mongering with this particular buddy nor had either of us shared the details of our personal proclivities. I was not really prepared to have him bring me to a boliche and I wasn't prepared to leave with a chica, unless he left before me (wasn't sure if he could be trusted with the information).

When we walked into the bar, there was a clear path all the way down the middle, the full length of the bar. It was packed with some of the most beautiful women that I had ever seen and they were all looking at me as if I was Brad Pitt. Man, my ego was getting a nice boost. We settled into the two bar stools at the very far end (toward Alvear) that are against that little part of the bar that is 90 degrees to the rest of the bar. The chica swarm surrounded us, but left a very comfortable 5-10' buffer between us. He, I discovered, had a long-term (I. E. More than once) novia, a strikingly beautiful, statuesque brunette, who was a bit of a mother-hen. She brought a few chicas over for me, but I said thanks but no thanks (it was killing me). Eventually, it was time to go. Apparently, his novia was going to meet him at the house, so we left together. After he got in his cab, I thought about going back in and pulling one of the many gorgeous chicas. Instead, I went to a nearby privado and did two back-to-back sessions with two different chicas.

I left there a few hours later (before dawn), in a complete daze, in awe of my new found paradise called Bs As.

I started visiting Boliche kind of places way back in the early 90's all over South & Central America.

It was much fun then. Girls still made you feel like a "rockstar" BUT the prices were incredibly low.

And their was no internet! These places were ONLY accessible to people who were in South America for work or tourism purpose.

But then came the internet. Mongers started arriving. Girls from boliches had access to internet, read about the demand for sex by expats coming to their countries.

And slowly the prices got jacked up.

If you visit small unknown cities in South America, their are still some incredible boliches with bottom prices!

This does not hold good for BA. Black and Madahos are great. But only if the prices were great too!

Till, then I feel I have the best value of buck in privados or low end boliches ( in BA).

[QUOTE=Member #3320; 425060]I started visiting Boliche kind of places way back in the early 90's all over South & Central America.

It was much fun then. Girls still made you feel like a "rockstar" BUT the prices were incredibly low.

And their was no internet! These places were ONLY accessible to people who were in South America for work or tourism purpose.

But then came the internet. Mongers started arriving. Girls from boliches had access to internet, read about the demand for sex by expats coming to their countries.

And slowly the prices got jacked up.

If you visit small unknown cities in South America, their are still some incredible boliches with bottom prices!

This does not hold good for BA. Black and Madahos are great. But only if the prices were great too!

Till, then I feel I have the best value of buck in privados or low end boliches (in BA).[/QUOTE]I do like Black's more than Madaho's. I have not been to the latter in the last 6 visits although it was 200 feet from my apt. Just too much more to choose from outside. I always stop at Blacks just because it is Blacks. I have never taken anyone out. There seems to be a market for these places in the BA economy but I still say you can do just as well without them. I recommend if it is your first time in BA, go to both.

[QUOTE=WhiteCat;425075]I do like Black's more than Madaho's. I have not been to the latter in the last 6 visits although it was 200 feet from my apt. Just too much more to choose from outside. I always stop at Blacks just because it is Blacks. I have never taken anyone out. There seems to be a market for these places in the BA economy but I still say you can do just as well without them. I recommend if it is your first time in BA, go to both.[/QUOTE]I agree. Black is a good place to go look at the eye candy, before heading off to see a sure thing (I. E. A known quantity).

My query is " Are experienced mongers of BA" actually picking up girls from Madahos and Black?

I doubt it.

If at all they are still picking from these 2 places, it must be via phone nos or unconventional routes. I can't imagine a experienced monger of BA paying 1000's of pesos and going through the entire rigamarole of paying for the entry, chica drinks, own drinks, propinas, transitorio etc etc

[QUOTE=Member #3320; 425096]My query is " Are experienced mongers of BA" actually picking up girls from Madahos and Black?

I doubt it.

If at all they are still picking from these 2 places, it must be via phone nos or unconventional routes. I can't imagine a experienced monger of BA paying 1000's of pesos and going through the entire rigamarole of paying for the entry, chica drinks, own drinks, propinas, transitorio etc etc[/QUOTE]Back in the day (cerca 04-08) , I used to pull girls all the time from Madahos (just check my old posts). Went to Blacks once, didn't like the vibe and never returned. I in fact had a special interview process I developed over the years that was pretty good at separating the porn stars from the pretenders / scam chicas. It was pretty funny, as my spanish was virtually non-existent back then except for my interview questions. Don't want to bore you all with the interview, but the last question had to do something with "boca leche", jajajajajaja. I stopped pulling girls from Madahos about 4 years ago, but would still take my fishing wingmen in there to pull a chica once a trip just for the novelty. The last two years I took my buddies into Madahos (I come trice a year like clockwork) , and too my surprise was never able to get a selected chica (wingman's choice) , to pass the interview successfully. This has been quite surprising as my spanish is light years ahead of what it was back in the "boca leche" days. To this day, I still see a gal that I met 7 years ago at Madahos (the infamous Dentist). I have more girls than I can handle these days so I always have great chicas for my fishing buddies. I would agree with you dude that an experienced monger these days would rarely pull a Madahos / Blacks chica. Too many good indies out there on solo, and some of the other good sites. Monger On Dude. Toymann

I agree that it is getting tougher and tougher to go to these places. I used to love black about 5 years ago. The energy and talent started to go way downhill. Went a few nights ago for memories. Had 1 drink and bought 2 for a girl and it was 950 pesos. Crazy. These clubs are pricing themselves out of business. Did have a great night with the girl I left with but won't be back for a long time.

I've been there more than once but, I have never ordered take out, from there. Circa the "first night" mentioned below (probably early '07) , I think it was probably AR$400-600 to take a chica out of Black, not including chica drinks. I left Black alone that evening, for the reasons stated below, however, were it not for that complication, I have no doubt that I would have let the little head do the thinking and talking (his Spanish is worse than mine) and would have pulled a drop dead gorgeous creature out of black with a high possibility of being disappointed. That night, after leaving Black, I went to 1707 for two (plus) hours with two different chicas (Morena and Florencia (the house pig. Who turned out to be a lot of fun) for something like AR$300. The latter of the two lasses knew she wasn't getting paid for her looks and was actually muy linda and extremely accommodating (bucal sin, cola, leche en boca why cara) and patient (sometimes it takes me quite a while). As I made my way back to my hotel with the sky starting to get a little brighter, as the rising sun started to hit the tops of the taller buildings, it occurred to me that what I really wanted was a chica that looks like she should be in Black and f*cks like a privado champ.

A while later, I treated an associate to a night out at Black, including a chica for him, and it ran me well north of AR$1, 000. However, I wasn't paying for myself, I was treating someone else to what really floated his boat (a 10 in looks). He was very happy. That night, after parting ways, I had a chica, who I had originally met a Madaho, meet me at my hotel. She was pretty and relatively fun in the rack, however, she suffered from GPS. With time, I found that as far as boliches are concerned, New Port is my kind of place (not sure what that says about me).

I remember back in 2004/2005 when I first started mongering in Buenos Aires and kept hearing about how Black was like the Playboy mansion, how it was far and away the best place in BA, etc with prices to suit. At that time the talk of the forum was how all the "Top" talent had in fact left Buenos Aires as a result of the crisis and went to work in Europe and / or Santiago (Chile). The first few places I went to were Newport, Madahos, and Cocodrilo which at the time I thought were all pretty good, so I thought that Black was just going to be paradise found when I finally went there; well, I finally did go there prepared to fork over what it cost at the time ($100 USD for the girl IIRC, with negotiation) and I remember being totally and utterly disappointed in what was actually on offer after all the hype.

Back in those days Madahos had similar quality and I distinctly remember it being 30 pesos to get in ($10 USD at that time) and being able to easily negotiate the girls down to $200- $300 AR for an hour or so. In that same era a beer at Newport was $9 AR and the girls would go out for $150 AR; I was in Newport about three weeks ago and some of the same girls were working in there that were there seven or eight years ago when I first went.

Fast forward to today's Buenos Aires and the girls in Black and Madahos all want $200 USD and they charge you a whopping $200 AR to walk in the door / buy a drink, plus $400 AR exit fee, etc, it's just a really bad deal for what you get. Some of those dancers would be worth $300 USD to fuck for an hour but they are not going to go for anywhere near that price. There are few available hookers in Argentina who are worth more than $100 USD to fuck.