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The plan that was "floated" was not even close to what the libelous email claimed. It did not ask the vets themselves to pay any extra money. If Obama had said the things that he was accused of in the email, Fox would have beaten it to a pulp, and I doubt very much that other media outlets would ignore it (although some might)
It's bogus and doesn't prove anything regarding Obama's actions or character.
There was probably an email campaign behind that poll to get Republicans and Christians to vote. They have a leadership vacuum and few real solutions of their own to offer, so their strategy is to try and portray Obama as a failure any way they can.
[QUOTE=Esten]There was probably an email campaign behind that poll to get Republicans and Christians to vote. They have a leadership vacuum and few real solutions of their own to offer, so their strategy is to try and portray Obama as a failure any way they can.[/QUOTE]Hi,
Yes, and we all know that Liberals / Democrats would [I]never[/i] do such a thing themselves.
ROTFLMAO!
Thanks,
Jackson
[QUOTE=Jackson]Hi,
Yes, and we all know that Liberals / Democrats would [I]never[/i] do such a thing themselves.
ROTFLMAO!
Thanks,
Jackson[/QUOTE]Mr. Jackson:
Do not believe the Democrats / liberals can take polls to the extremes the right wing element in this country can and have done. They have no sense of decency: Karl Rove. Case in point; John McCain, via a phony poll during the 2004 Republican Primary. Voters were asked, "Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain. If you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?" This was no random slur. McCain was at the time campaigning with his dark-skinned daughter, Bridget, adopted from Bangladesh. It takes a real first class dueschebag to stoop to that level to get elected or promote their agenda. The sad thing in all of this is, it worked and McCain lost the primaries and here we are. It is very difficult for me to give any credibility much of anything the Republicans have to say today after what we have experienced over the past 9 years. The record speaks for itself.
[QUOTE=Damman]Mr. Jackson:
Do not believe the Democrats / liberals can take polls to the extremes the right wing element in this country can and have done. They have no sense of decency: Karl Rove. Case in point; John McCain, via a phony poll during the 2004 Republican Primary. Voters were asked, "Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain. If you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?" This was no random slur. McCain was at the time campaigning with his dark-skinned daughter, Bridget, adopted from Bangladesh. It takes a real first class dueschebag to stoop to that level to get elected or promote their agenda. The sad thing in all of this is, it worked and McCain lost the primaries and here we are. It is very difficult for me to give any credibility much of anything the Republicans have to say today after what we have experienced over the past 9 years. The record speaks for itself.[/QUOTE]Hi Damman,
I did not suggest that professional pollsters could not and did not craft their polling questions to yield a desired outcome.
What I was responding to in my post was Esten's complaint that results in the open poll referred to by Sydney were distorted by a deliberate "email campaign" perpetrated by persons or organizations not related to the publisher of the poll, said campaign intended to distort the results of the poll by encouraging "Republicans and Christians to vote" in the poll.
All you need to do is visit the DailyKOSs, the HuffingtonPost or any other left wing website and you'll find that as a standard practice the participants in these websites routinely post links to "open polls" on other sites while encouraging like-minded persons to "vote left and vote often", the specific intent being to tilt the poll results in their favor.
Thanks,
Jackson
It is astounding that the economy of the United States appears to flourish when the economy of the United States has three strikes against it before it gets to bat.
1) The most attorney happy country with the most ridiculous injury awards in the known world.
2) A health care system that costs at least twice as much per capita as any other health care system. This without any indication that the health care system is twice as good, or even as good, as some other health care systems.
3) The highest military expenditures in the known world.
Perhaps the economy of the United States carries this weight because the economy of the United States is the T Rex of the known world.
However, it is more likely the wealth of the United States is an illusion. The United States has prospered on borrowed money.
The day will come when our debtors will demand a return of their money.
Maybe then the United States and Argentina will have a common bond. Neither country can service its debt.
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Obama Says Grandmother's Hip Replacement Raises Cost Questions.
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By Hans Nichols.
April 29 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama said his grandmother's hip-replacement surgery during the final weeks of her life made him wonder whether expensive procedures for the terminally ill reflect a "sustainable model" for health care.
The president's grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, had a hip replaced after she was diagnosed with cancer, Obama said in an interview with the New York Times magazine that was published today. Dunham, who lived in Honolulu, died at the age of 86 on Nov. 2, 2008, two days before her grandson's election victory.
"I don't know how much that hip replacement cost," Obama said in the interview. "I would have paid out of pocket for that hip replacement just because she's my grandmother."
Obama said "you just get into some very difficult moral issues" when considering whether "to give my grandmother, or everybody else's aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they're terminally ill.
"That's where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues," he said in the April 14 interview. "The chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health- care bill out here."
Obama promised during his presidential campaign that a health-care overhaul would be a top priority, and he said at a Missouri town hall meeting today that he hopes Congress will pass health-care legislation this year.
The issue has been divisive, and finding an answer that will keep costs down while extending coverage to the estimated 46 million Americans without health insurance has eluded past presidents.
'Ruthless Pragmatism'
Obama also said his economic advisers aren't constrained by ideology or connections to former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin. "What I've been constantly searching for is a ruthless pragmatism when it comes to economic policy," he said, in the interview.
Obama also pointed to Canada as an example of a country that has effectively regulated commercial and investment banking without requiring legal separation of those activities.
"When it comes to something like investment banking versus commercial banking, the experience in a country like Canada would indicate that good, strong regulation that focuses less on the legal form of the institution and more on the functions that they're carrying out is probably the right approach to take," he said.
******The reason Obama's grandmother was given a hip replacement with just weeks to live is because under our present payment system the doctor doing the worthless hip replacement will be paid for doing it. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that physcians would have given Obama's grandmother a facelift and tummy tuck with just weeks to live if they were going to be paid for doing it.
There is no easy answer to how to shape our medical payment system. However, I for one, think we are not going far enough. We should draw a line in the sand. Medical costs will be restricted to 10% of GNP.
If that means incorrigible alcoholics won't receive liver transplants, smokers won't receive surgery for their incurable lung cancers or Obama's grandmother won't receive a hip transplant - so be it.
There might be a method behind Obama's madness.
[QUOTE=Sidney]Existing Medicare and Medicaid have $38 billion in unfunded liabilities! There is nothing in this plan to address this severe problem![/QUOTE]A drop in the ocean compared to the 1000 billion increase of net federal debt every 6 month, 38% increase over a year.