2004 Reports - Edited

X Prize in BA.

Based on everyone’s experience in Black, it seems that it is nearly impossible to get a girl for $200 pesos or less.

Here is my goal for my next BA trip (get a business trip planned).

Get a Black girl for $200 pesos or less with only one cheap drink for at least 2 hours. I will do this 2 nights in a row. It can not be the same girl. I don’t know these girls at all (never meet and talk before). This has to be done in a busy night (not weekend) in the club. If I am successful, I will have to post pictures of these 2 girls. Hopefully, everyone at least is willing to poke them with a stick.

I have been to Madahos. This is very doable in Madahos based on my experience. If $200 is too much money, I am willing to set my goal at $150 pesos.

Who is with me on this?

CaptainNemo,

I've pulled only two girls out of Black for 200 pesos and this was about 2 years ago, when the economy was at it's worst. However, I've seen several of the girls from Black during the day for 200 pesos. That really isn't tough to do at all when they aren't competing to land a rich dude that doesn't care. It's been a while since I pulled out a really hot girl from Madaho for only 150 pesos. I have done it but it has been a while. 200 pesos at Madahos is good enough though. The biggest problem you will have at Black is that many of them would rather make nothing then leave for a preceived price in their mind of what is not enough.

The best way to approach this in Black is to get a good rapport with them. Make them laugh, crack some jokes. The other night when I was there I didn't buy one drink for them but still talked for a while with several of them. I always tell them that I know her time is valuable but I'd really like to spend some time with her. Then I tell her that no one else needs to know what I am paying her. That it's between us. Then I will usually point to the guy that I think none of the girls would want to leave with and usually crack a joke or something saying, "unless you'd rather go home with him". It's not meant as ill will to any dudes....just makes the girl laugh and personalizes all of this stuff. Of course, if you can't speak Spanish you can forget about what I just wrote.

I doubt you can get 2 really hot girls at Black though for 200 pesos. The minimum I've pulled out of there was for 300 pesos for a few hours. Although, when I was there with Starfe in July I think I got his girl down to 250 pesos but I think he gave her at least 300 pesos anyway. What can I say...he is a generous guy.

Just to add one to Dickhead´s excellent list: Offer to shower with her before you do anything. Ok, so you may not get a better price this time, but you´re almost guaranteed to get better service. You´d be surprised how little we know about how much we stink sometimes. Just 2 more cents.

Saint

It is always possible to get a girl(working girl or regular girl) for free. It may not be me. But, I am sure that there are guys doing these girls for free. The challenging part is to get girls when they are working. You have to establish rapport in the first night when money is her mind. If you spend days to charm her, I am sure that it is not difficult.

In addition, doing this two nights in a row on two different girls is very difficult. You may get lucky one night.

Getting laid for free or by beautiful women is not enough anymore. If it is not difficult, I would not call it the X Prize. It should be easier than rocket science.

By the way, I know less than 100 Spanish words.

You are right. Many, many, many of these working girls will spend time with you for free. I've done it many times. It's not that difficult. The tough thing is pulling them out of a club and them not charging that particular night. I've been with hundreds of girls and only done that a few times where they actually put the money back on the table.

These working girls are just girls when it comes down to it. A lot of guys treat these girls like a piece of meat. It's clear that a few guys I have met clearly have an issue with women in general. Once you start treating them like a princess you'll see that it will pay off. I've always done that and it works great. Several of the girls that come over now I met in various clubs and they refuse to take money.

It's great that at least you know a few words. It's probably a few more than most guys coming here. I'd only argue that you will never really have a true interpersonal relationship with someone you can't effectively communicate with. If you are only looking for sex that is one thing and it doesn't matter. If you want more than that you [b]must[/b] be able to communicate with them. If you can't, you will never have a true relationship. I kind of laugh when guys tell me they fell in love with a girl. Then they give lines like, "we love eachother so much...we never fight". Then I find out the girl can't speak English and he can't speak Spanish/Portuguese. You can't fight if you can't effectively communicate. JMHO.

Dodger Bulldog said
[quote](I wish I could find how to use the "quote" function on here. Someone clue me in please.)[/quote]
1. Open brackets, type the word quote, close brackets.

2. Copy your text that you want to quote, and paste it immediately after the closed bracket, no space in between the bracket and the first letter of your quote.

3. At the end of your quote, open brackets, type /quote, and close the brackets. Again, no space between the last letter or punctuation of your quote and the brackets.

This will show up in the preview if you have done it right.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

I agree that when dealing with a WG for the first time, NEVER ask what the price is. Once she tells you a price, Latin pride will prevent her from discounting herrself too much. I always STATE the price, and I phrase it as a present: "Puedo darte un regalo de cien pesos por la noche", "I can give you a present of 100 pesos for the night". Then SHE can make a counter-offer, but at least she knows you know the ballpark figure.

My experience in 50+ countries is, if you blunder in and ask "How Much?" especially if you ask in English, she might as well assume you are fresh off the boat, have no idea what the going rate is, and she might as well ask for $300 USD just in case you are a moron. Once she does that, she loses face if she comes down a lot, and you make her feel like a clearance bin item when you come back low. Of course I am extremely handsome and charming, so if you are not, YMMV.

Saint wrote:

"I always dress really nice but it doesn't hurt my negotiating skills."

How do you [b]know[/b] it doesn't if you [i]always[/i] do it?

I've been reading the BA board regularly for the past month in preparation for my trip this week. In between searches for "real" info, I couldn't help but notice the latest brou-ha-ha over pricing.

This time, there is a different spin on the argument, which is due to the fact that the character of our membership has changed somewhat. Over the past year, some of the regular posters on the BA board have actually have taken up residence there and become local hombres, and as a result, they have a different perspective than we touristas. Of course, there have always been local hombres, but we never thought/cared much about them since they don't speak English or post on our board.

But now they have their own advocates on the WSG and they are giving us some valuable insights. I tend to agree with Andres that we all have a moral/ethical responsibility (dare I say honor among mongers?) to not abuse the information that is posted here in good faith. If Andres turns us on to a new club, with cute chicas who privide good service for 60 pesos, don't spoil it for him, and everyone else by, by walking in and throwing your money around. Stick to the guidelines that he's given us.

I also agree with Lexton that education is the key. Information is power, and the more info we have about prices and services, the better off we will be, assuming that we use it in good faith.

But I think that the local mongers need to remember some things as well. We were all, at some point, newbies in BA, except of course for Andres. Time and familiarity always tend to dull the senses, but if you go back and read some of Lexton's first posts, you will see that he spent his first days in BA at Black, of all places, lusting after some hottie that just happened to ring his bell, agonizing over how to get her down from 300 pesos to 200. And if you look back to the Winter/Spring of 2002/2003, you will see that on his first visit(s) to BA, even our own indefatigable Dickhead was expressing a certain, how shall I say.... boyish exuberance?

Don't fault us first timers, or occassional tourists, for overspending, we can't help it. When you live in a desert and you reach the oasis, all you want to do is drink and drink. I have to admit, I overspent on my first trip, but, thanks to the information posted on this board, I spent a hell of a lot less than I would have without it. And had a much better time doing so.

I can understand the concern on the part of the local mongers that we touristas may poison their favorite fishing hole, but I think their fears are exaggerated. As locals, they have a tremendous advantage. They have the time to acquire a very deep and specific knowledge of the market that we touristas will never have. They have the time to cultivate relationships with the chicas that enable them to negotiate prices far below what most of us occassional tourists will spend. I don't have 2 months to ogle some chica at NEB, waiting for that critical moment when she and I will consummate our lust for each other. I've only got 5 days, and if an extra 50 pesos facilitates the transaction, then it's money well spent, as far as I'm concerned.

Even with all the excellent information posted here, there is a limit to the scope of it's effectiveness. You can only educate the people who read this forum. But it's not just we happy few who are affecting the marketplace. The whole world is beating a path to Argentina. As Saint has pointed out, the whole country is on sale, and tourism should be a big business for some time. The Japanese businessman sitting in Black, with his corporate expense account, won't give a rat's ass about the inflated cost of sex, nor will the gaggle of Australian tourists in NEB. No matter how carefully we may follow the advice posted here, inflation is inevitable, to some extent.

What seems to be happening is that a multi-tiered market will develop. The guys with more money than they know what to do with will spend their time in Recoleta. The value conscious can patronize the private apartments or the clubs in the Triangle (where you can probably find the same chicas that you would in Recolta), and if you're really strapped for cash, a good time can be had in Flores. Fortunately, the market in BA is vast enough to encompass the whole range of tastes and budgets.

From what Dickhead reports, the chicas understand this. He knows a chica who can make 200 or 300 pesos at Madahos, but she understands that she will make less if she works at Cattos or Hooks. Or the chicas that Dodger Bulldog pulled out of Excedra for 150, who were on their way to Madahos to work for probably twice that. So the extra money that we occassional touristas may spend will have a minimal effect on the prices that the local hombres pay.

As far as the issue of price versus quality is concerned, I think you will never figure that one out. Obviously, you cannot quantify it. Women are not things, they are human beings, sentient and intelligent (yeah, I know, we can argue about that ad infinitum). Sex is not a commodity, or a product, it's more like a kind of . . . chemical reaction. And like all chemical reactions, tends to be unpredictable. Affected by numerous external forces, many of which are unknown, even at the moment of combustion.

Isn't that the whole point?

So let's stop belittling each other over our choices in women. It serves no purpose. We each get what we want and what we pay for. Value, like beauty, is in the eye of the customer.

So I promise to do my best to do my duty to my fellow mongers and adhere to the pricing guidelines that are posted for known providers and venues, in good faith, if the local mongers will promise to forgive me my inevitable transgressions, since we are all weak and fragile creatures. De Profundus, klamave, klamave. . .

Hope I haven't offended anyone too much. Here's hoping/assuming that I'll see some of you this Saturday at the Mansion.

Guillermo

Great posting Dickhead

I realise the importance of knowing some spanish now. My trip would have been 5 times better if I could communicate more than the basics.

I must say that being well groomed and treating the girls nicely, smiling and making eye contact worked really well in my favour despite my language barrier....OK I know I was paying reasonably well but they didn't know that until later in the evening. I took a lot of time to keep them happy in bed (the language of lurve is universal baby!) and one of them refused to take a tip, said she should be paying me, and wanted to show me around the next day for free, and she was from Black!

Obviously while that gave my ego a nice fluffing, it also highlighted to me the fact that being nice can improve your experience significantly...as someone said earlier, if you want a GFE, offer a BFE.

I'd like to add another point, which many of us from the British Isles (and Ireland too) tend to forget, usually due to force of habit (trying to beat the last orders bell at 11pm) which is: DON'T get absolutely shitfaced on the local brew! It affects your desirability (no chick wants to end up with a slobbering, staggering wreck) and your negotiating skills (aptly demonstrated by myself in Stringfellows in London).

[quote]Originally posted by Dickhead

Saint wrote:

"I always dress really nice but it doesn't hurt my negotiating skills."

How do you know it doesn't if you always do it?

[/quote]

You're now going to lecture us on our attire?

Stick to talking about cheap pussy before I set Calvin Klein on ya! ;)

Uncle Otto

I am pointing out a logical flaw in his argument, not discussing haberdashery. My wardrobe looks like it was dumped out of a vacuum cleaner bag so I am not offering fashion tips.

[b]Best pussy in Buenos Aires[/b]

Stratified by price category:

<50 pesos

1) Sarmiento 1828 #1A
2) Santa Fe 3373 #5C (half hour only; 1 hour is 70).
3) Corrientes 1965 #13A

>= 50 pesos <100 pesos

1) MarÃ*a of Florida
2) Maipú 429 [b]if [/b] you threaten to walk out; otherwise 100 p
3) Yesica from Hook [b]if[/b] you feed her dinner; otherwise 100 p

100 p

1) Guemes 3221 #2A
1) Suipacha 921 #6C {tied}

>100 <150

1) Lorena from Ness
2) Rafaela from Catto's
3) Cristina from Catto's

Honorable mention:

Rosa MarÃ*a from Catto's
Sandra from Hook (not currently available)

>150 <200

1) Antonela from Nuevo Estilo (150 plus room)
2) See #1 above; nothing else compares (note: has put on weight)

>200

How the fuck would [b]I[/b] know? :)

Hope that helps.

HOW TO BE IRRESTISTABLE TO WOMEN:

When I take newbies around BA they often ask:
What should I wear?

I take a 100 peso note out of my pocket, lick the back of it, and stick it to my forehead and say:

You can go naked as long as you wear this!

Dickhead said:

[quote]My wardrobe looks like it was dumped out of a vacuum cleaner bag so I am not offering fashion tips.[/quote]

Just practicing the "quote" function that Moondog taught me. Thanks, guy!

DB

Dodger Bulldog said

[quote]Just practicing the "quote" function that Moondog taught me. Thanks, guy![/quote]Me too

Guillermo,

Excellent post.

Dodger Bulldog,

You are most welcome.

Moondog

Hey Dickhead,

Thanks for the 15 point list on how to succeed without really trying. Of course, I am sure point #15 is probably the MOST important to getting that special chica. I was LMAO when I read point 15.

Stowe

How about a chica review for a change?

I've been meaning to share this one for a while.

It turns out that the last girl I hooked up with on my trip turned in the best performance of all.

Her name is Evie and she is a 34. A cute, pleasant blonde with an incredible attitude and a great body. She was very sweet.

I had talked to her one evening at Cafe Orleans but already had plans for dinner at Jackson's house that night.

So I was pleased to find her again on Sunday (only three girls were there) and chose her for my goodbye kiss to Argentina.

Large firm tits, well-toned abs, tight little ass. Her face is her weakest link, but it's still quite good.

To call her a GFE is not to do her justice.

Actually, I would describe it much more like a "fiance" experience. The way that one treats you just after she has decided to make you the happiest man in the world!

Deep, soft, sensual French kisses without end. Submissive to my every desire, but so in sync that I rarely had to ask.

She knew just when and where I lusted for her to put her mouth and hands. And exactly what to do with them.

She licked and sucked my nipples and stroked and fondled my balls in the most gentle, tender manner, for as long as I wished.

She knew just how to make me crave her all the more.

Then I introduced her to the pocket rocket, which made her come. Of course.

But she was sweet enough to say that she preferred to have me inside of her.

After several different positions of sex, we finished with mish.

Somehow she sensed that I loved to have her ankles up over my shoulders while her thighs pressed my sides and her hands stroked my chest and nipples, while bringing me to a perfect finish.

There is no such thing as a bad orgasm, but Evie was so good that she brought about one of those rare finishes that one dreams about.

Totally unrushed. We spent about two hours bonding sexually.

After that it was easy to speak intimately about our lives with each other for another hour.

She asked for $200 AR, and came down to $150.

Evie is a real sweet, sexy, passionate chica, and a perfect all around experience.

If she sounds like your type, I give her my highest recommendation!

DB

Dickhead wrote, "How do you know it doesn't if you always do it?"

Dickhead,

The day you pay less than me for the same girl at Black, Madaho or a number of the other clubs I've pulled girls out of can you tell you that my clothes had me paying more than you have or would have. I take pride by my appearance and it's clear that many on the board don't. To each his own. BA is NOT the city you go around looking like a slob in. I guess if one was chasing girls on the street corners it doesn't really matter what you wear though to be fair though (that is not directed at anyone in particular...just a point).

Please don't tell me style of dress has anything to do with what I pay. I can see some logic in your point though that if a girl perceives you have more money because you dress nice she might try to get more money from you. You just have to stay in control of the situation and it won't be an issue at all. The locals tend to dress up at night. It's one of the things I love about Buenos Aires. These people have a lot of pride in themselves. American tourists in town are usually the easiest to spot because they have the shitty clothes on. If you ask me, they are the ones that are the mark.

[quote]Dickhead wrote, "How do you know it doesn't if you always do it?"

Dickhead,

The day you pay less than me for the same girl at Black, Madaho or a number of the other clubs I've pulled girls out of can you tell you that my clothes had me paying more than you have or would have. I take pride by my appearance and it's clear that many on the board don't. To each his own. BA is NOT the city you go around looking like a slob in. I guess if one was chasing girls on the street corners it doesn't really matter what you wear though to be fair though (that is not directed at anyone in particular...just a point).

Please don't tell me style of dress has anything to do with what I pay. I can see some logic in your point though that if a girl perceives you have more money because you dress nice she might try to get more money from you. You just have to stay in control of the situation and it won't be an issue at all. The locals tend to dress up at night. It's one of the things I love about Buenos Aires. These people have a lot of pride in themselves. [b]American tourists in town are usually the easiest to spot because they have the shitty clothes on. If you ask me, they are the ones that are the mark.[/b][/quote]

Amen, Brother. Tell it like it is. I can be low-class at home. When I go on holiday to Buenos Aires, I enjoy the relaxed formality of the town and want to be a part of it myself.

Uncle Otto

Saint wrote

[quote]The day you pay less than me for the same girl at Black, Madaho or a number of the other clubs I've pulled girls out of can you tell you that my clothes had me paying more than you have or would have. I take pride by my appearance and it's clear that many on the board don't. To each his own. BA is NOT the city you go around looking like a slob in. I guess if one was chasing girls on the street corners it doesn't really matter what you wear though to be fair though (that is not directed at anyone in particular...just a point).

Please don't tell me style of dress has anything to do with what I pay. I can see some logic in your point though that if a girl perceives you have more money because you dress nice she might try to get more money from you. You just have to stay in control of the situation and it won't be an issue at all. The locals tend to dress up at night. It's one of the things I love about Buenos Aires. These people have a lot of pride in themselves. American tourists in town are usually the easiest to spot because they have the shitty clothes on. If you ask me, they are the ones that are the mark.[/quote]I agree, I know I have reached sartorial (sp) standards when the touts at Suipacha y Marcello T. approach me and say "Desculpa mi Senor" as opposed to "Good evening my freen" and when I wave them off with a small hand movement and a bit of a grimace and they don't follow me undetered but reply with "pardona mi" it makes me feel good. When the lovely chicas at the restaurants on Junin address me in Castillano or the look of surprise on the Arboletta's faces along Florida street when I ask them about a Leather llacket, again I feel good because at first glance I'm taken for a local. I often wonder how my negotiations later would go if my Castillano could match my appearance?

I must admit to being intrigued on two levels by Chuponalgas advice to newbies though. One as to it's efficacy and two I would be more impressed by that if they did it than if Capt Nemo succeeds in his quest. Capt Nemo if I'm in town during your record attempt I would be willing to act as an unbiased observer.

Happy hunting

DR

Otto and Saint are reading too much into my post. I am just saying that you can't prove the theory based on the evidence presented. Saint would need to wear better clothes (as compared to some base) and not get worse prices (as compared to the same base), or vice versa, before he could say that it "did not affect his negotiations."

Of course "better" clothes and "worse" prices are inherently subjective but I do not think that invalidates my argument.

Getting back to [b]pussy[/b], tonight at Nuevo Estilo there was a lot of it crawling around, including a fully naked but seemingly unavailable [b]Greta[/b]. I don't want to fuck that ***** anyway but I can see why others might want to.

I got two phone numbers but they were both really paranoid about giving them out and said it was against the rules. I told 'em both that it would be 100 peso an hour sex in the afternoon and they liked that idea but I think you would have to be known and trusted in the place to make that work.

Dodger Bulldog,

Evie is a sweetheart. I've know her for about 5 years now, and she is as sweet and nice as ever. She normally only works the weekends at Orleans, but you can arrange different times with her.

Moondog

How to get better prices for pussy:

I always ask for small dick discount.

If that's the basis, Captain, I ought to be getting my trim for FREE! :p

Uncle Otto

Dolys raised its prices

I read comments on the local board that Dolys raised its prices to ar$70 for 30 minutes and ar$120 for 1 hour.

If that's true, 2 things may happen:
- People will go less to Dolys (except for taking a beer for ar$10)
- Envidia and other boliches nearby will follow.

Personally, I deem these prices too high, since for almost the same prices (on the ar$130-ar$180 range) you can have a girl from Cattos for more than 1 hour at your place (if she likes you, of course).

Since very few foreigners are coming to Dolys, it is important to notice that prices also raise for markets almost totally dominated by local patrons.

Hope this helps,

Andres

RE: Price increase in Dolys

Since the locals tend to dress up at night, it was inevitable that sooner or later they were going to pay the price!

Bandy

[b]Saturday Evening Dinner Party at the Mansion[/b]

[blue]Greetings Everyone,

I am pleased to announce that Silvina and I will host this week's Dinner Party at the Mansion, to be held on [red][u]Saturday, October 9th[/u][/red], from [red][u]9:00 pm to Midnight[/u][/red].

All local and visiting mongers are welcome to attend.

The menu features Cabaña Los Lilas brand steaks, including Bife de Lomo and Bife de Choriso, along with a few chicken breasts and pork chops for variety, all cooked over an open charcoal flame in the Mansion's Argentina style barbecue.

These steaks are identical to the ones served at Cabaña Las Lilias in Puerto Madera, from their ranch, and with their label. Simply stated, they're superb.

Along with these 1st class steaks will be the usual accouterments of Argentina grilled sausages, provolettas, American-style tossed green salad, fresh baked bread, and a special dessert that I won't decide upon until I consult with the chef.

Drinks include soft drinks, beer, wines and champagnes.

All guests are encouraged to bring a date, but it is not required. I am going to invite a limited number of English-speaking female guests to keep the conversation lively.

The Dinner Party will wrap up at approximately midnight, which should provide ample time for everyone to hit their favorite bar, boliche or disco for continued entertainment.

Cost: A contribution of $50 pesos per person is appreciated. Proceeds to benefit the WSG Charities.

Seating is limited. Please RSVP to me at [email=jackson@argentinaprivate.com?subject=Saturday Dinner Party]Jackson@ArgentinaPrivate.com[/email] for additional details and a map with directions in English and Spanish.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Day three in BA. I love this place! I won´t detail all the nonmongering things I´m doing here but there are many. This is a great city to just walk around and hang out (and eat, and eat, and eat!).

Last night I had take-out, a girl named Carolina from Area VIP. The trouble I have with outcall is that I am so particular about details, little things can really turn me off that you can´t see in the escort website pics. She was allright, not as good looking as her pic but not bad. I didn´t like that she wanted an english lesson from me. Geez, I should have charged her for that and we´d have been even! Service was good, although I wouldn´t repeat.

Today I went to Santa Fe 1707. I guess YMMV but I left wondering why that place has been controversial here. I was treated very well and left very happy. There were five girls, all 6-8´s. I chose a blond named Barbara, which turned out to be a great choice. She was very enthusiastic, DFK and uncovered bj without having to ask for it, overall just a great experience. I took the half hour for 60 pesos. One can also do 45 minutes for 80 or one hour for 100. It´s on the third floor, as the woman on the fifth floor, clearly having been annoyed many times by guys like me stumbling in, curtly directed me.

Doc Bill said:
[quote]Last night I had take-out, a girl named Carolina from Area VIP.[/quote]
I can not find her on Area-Vip. Perhaps under a different name?

Moondog

From a previous venture into Buenos Aires:

Valeria of the wonderous breasts: 1364 Cordoba

$100P/hr , 2 shots on goal
No DFK,BBBJ, BN = no repeat

Easily the biggest girl I´ve ever been with. She is young, has a pretty face and an engaging, playful attitude, but with the aforementioned limits. She loved straddling me while slapping my face with her melons. Valeria is from Misiones and has not had a kid yet. Of course (with apologies, not! to Prokofiev) the second round we went doggy and I got into the A** slapping "Who's your Daddy, baby?" routine. She said Si Pappi! and indicated to me to slap harder.

After we finished we joked around for a while. My apartment didn't have hot water that day, so I told her I came to her Privado for the shower, not her, she laughed and feigned being hurt, you know how girls do that. We joke about nickneames for her mammoth mammaries. The left one's named Suzanna and the right one's Denise (her left and her right).

Valeria has a theory that rubias (blonds) are cooler and Morenas (brunettes) are muy calor.

As I left the room I ran into Paola. If her mammies are natural they are quite something else, some of the best I've ever seen!

Got a photo if Valeria's "best friends" and will post here when I get a chance.

Suipacha 921

Double. Sol and Carla 40 min/$100 Pesos
1 shot allowed

Sol DFK'd up a storm, as aGgressive a kisser as I've ever encountered. But no BBBJ and no BN = no repeat

Both are slim young ladies 22 and 23, respectively with Carla the cuter of the two. They must be members of a working girls' union. Sol paid all her attention above the nipples and Carla below the belt.

Man, is Carla a Kewtie Pie. though. It was interesting to try and converse with these two ladies as they know almost no English and I only Habla Espanol un poquito. That didn't stop them from periodically conversing with each other, though.

LAGNAF

Saint - thanks for the info on Rio Cabana. And congrats on the new flat.

Andres - v. bad news about Dolys. Damn! How annoying.

Three weeks and two days and counting.

Moondog, sorry, I was looking at a bunch of websites, I might have remembered incorrectly.

MagicHat,

You're welcome. Speaking of which, I just was there tonight with a guy I met on my very first trip to Buenos Aires. (We'll call him AMPM) We had a great time joking around with the girls and we both pulled out two hotties. I left with a beautiful girl from Paraguay and he left with a stunner from Argentina. It was the hottest girl he ever pulled in BA he said. Anyway, before that we went to dinner in Recoleta. He was amazed at how easy it is to talk to girls. I was flirting with our waitress who was super cute. I asked her if she had a boyfriend. She did. I asked her how long she was dating him. She said 2 years. She lived 1 hour 40 minutes from the Capital. Throughout the dinner, everytime she came to bring us drinks or food I'd ask her another question. Asked her if she was in love. If he was a good guy. She said he was a dog and always cheated on her. (Such is life in South America).

Anyway, I asked her to help me with her hot friends and she said that I should have no problems here. By the end of the dinner I told her in Spanish, "what a shame you have a boyfriend because I would have loved to have taken you out to dinner some time". Guess what her answer was even though she said she had a guy that she said she was in love with? "Oh...we can still go out. We can get to know one another..you never know". This American dude I was with was amazed but that is how it is here. If you can speak decent Spanish it's not that difficult getting dates depending on your game playing skills. I gave her my business card and I'm fairly sure that she will call. The lesson is to learn some Spanish so you can communicate with them. It will go a long way. She was 21, blonde and very good looking. The morale of the story is that BA isn't just about pay2play action. The everyday girl on the street, working in restaurants, malls, etc. are very very cool and fun girls.

The session I had was amazing. Maybe one of the top 10 in South America which is saying alot. She is going to Mar del Plata this weekend for 2 nights to just take a get away and asked if I would come but I can't be blowing money on trips. I just went to Uruguay last weekend. Another time perhaps. God bless Argentina!

P.S. I've been to Dollys I think 3 times with Andres over the past 2.5 years. I've never once seen any super HOT girls in there. A few might have been do-able but nothing to write home about. All three times there were NO tourists in there. I doubt they get many tourists in there. Andres made an excellent point. Prices in general are going up in Buenos Aires. I see it. Not all of it can be blamed on tourists. The locals dictate more the price then the tourists do. Anyway, I would have never pulled anyone out of there then and now with the price increase wouldn't even go back there.

Gentlemen,

Quick query for the regulars.

Have not been to BA for 2 years, but considering a trip over Xmas/New Year and was wondering what happens in BA at that time - is it deadly quiet, or full of action.

Do not necessarily mean just the boliches, as I am an occassional hobbyist, but bars/restaurants in general.

Hoping to meet more non wg's if possible as I may be returning regularly to BA in the future.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Keyser

Hi, Guys:

I'm back in town!!!! :)

You can call me at my cell. phone for my translation service!!! ;)

Kisses, Roxana.

I am glad we have moved on and prices are being talked about alongside other issues.

My question back on 9/19 to the gentlemen who frequent this board was whether prices are going up due to the general improvement of the economy. Posts from Andres and Saint seem to indicate that it is and not all of it is tourist driven. Some of it must be. So it is probably both, I would surmise.

Cheers.

Andres might be a better person to post about this but I feel that it's a combination of everything but the fact that places like Dollys are also increasing their prices tells me that it's what I posted a while ago. It can't be blamed on only the tourists. Look at the make up of Madahos on any given night. It's mostly locals NOT tourists.

Here is my take on things. (Besides inflation which is a given).When the financial system collapsed here in the beginning of 2002, many of the people that already had money were prepared for it. In fact, the rich just got richer because they already moved their money overseas or pulled it out of the banks and when it went as high as almost 4 to one, many converted it and just got richer. Unfortunately, most of the country lost alot of money. It caused a lot of panicking and people just didn't know what to think or do. Many panic sold their houses/apartments to raise money. (Hence the artificially low prices in rents and purchase prices). It has since adjusted. Now that people realize they were living in a dream for 10 years and it will NEVER go back to 1:1 they are starting to adjust to life post-devaluation. They are starting to spend money more freely.

Also, keep in mind that Buenos Aires has a lot of wealthy people. Most would be surprised at just how wealthy some of these people are. Walk around Recoleta, Belgrano, Palermo or other areas of the city. The cafes near my apartment where I live aren't filled with tourists. They are filled with locals and they are freely spending a lot of money.

People are starting to spend money again and just aren't as panicked as they once were. I could be wrong, but I truly believe that this is the reason you are seeing places starting to charge more. (even local places that are mostly frequented by locals). Everyone realizes that they were lucky to be living in a dream for a period so long. Those that were lucky took advantage of the strong artificially high peso and traveled the world, bought cars or apartments. That's also why even though Menem stole money, many people on the streets I talk to say, "God bless Menom.... had it not been for him I wouldn't have been able to buy my apartment/house/car/fill in the blank".

JMHO.

Exon Reporting : Prices going up

I think the answer to this question is just pure everyday garden variety inflation. The peso is not worth anything so it takes more of them to buy anything, maybe even pussy since the girls have to eat and pay rent too.

But I'll defer to DickHead for the true reason's.

Exon