American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=Dccpa;441692]My statements are based upon daily interactions with businesses and their employees. I guess only having facts instead of ivory tower theories puts me at a disadvantage. Please inform my clients that gave up looking for work that they voluntarily retired. They will feel so much better about themselves. [/QUOTE]We are in agreement that job loss and difficulty to find work are bad things. But I provided a link showing the number of discouraged workers is declining, along with the unemployment rate. The decline in LFPR can't be declared a bad thing if these numbers are both moving in positive directions. Given the strength in the economy lately, you should be advising your clients to get off their ass and look for a job.

You seem determined to focus on the negative and ignore the positive. I guess if unemployment falls below 5%, you'll still be complaining how tough it is for your clients who gave up.

BTW, the New York Post has no credibility. It's a vile, disgusting piece of right-wing trash, owned by the same owner as Fox News, but far worse. They specialize in hit pieces on Democrats, and serve as a so-called "legitimate" news source to propagate false or questionable stories across right wing media to people who don't know better. Try to find a more credible source to back up your claims of fraudulent government data.

[QUOTE=Jackson;441723]For Democrats the increase in disability claims is a good thing because every person receiving disability payments is a permanent "bought and paid for" Democrat voter.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stowe;441734]Democratic politicians buy off the average American with 'benefits' (sometimes good and sometimes BS) [/QUOTE]These are perversions of the Democratic philosophy. Democratic policies are based on moral and economic arguments, not on buying votes.

[QUOTE=Esten;441736]These are perversions of the Democratic philosophy. Democratic policies are based on moral and economic arguments, not on buying votes.[/QUOTE]Esten.

Totally agree that the Democratic philosophy is about moral and humanistic philosophies as opposed to acquiring the most money which is the Republican philosophy. Unfortunately, sometimes even the best of philosophies are taken to the extreme-in BOTH parties!!

Stowe.

[QUOTE=Esten;441736]These are perversions of the Democratic philosophy. Democratic policies are based on moral and economic arguments, not on buying votes.[/QUOTE]Hahahahahahaha!

Stop it Esten, you're killing me.

The fact is that if you removed the Democrats ability to give free money to their constituents, they'd never win another election.

Thanks,

Jax.

PS: Coming next: Amnesty for illegal aliens, which should buy another 12 million permanent Democrat voters.

[QUOTE=Esten;441735]We are in agreement that job loss and difficulty to find work are bad things. But I provided a link showing the number of discouraged workers is declining, along with the unemployment rate. The decline in LFPR can't be declared a bad thing if these numbers are both moving in positive directions. Given the strength in the economy lately, you should be advising your clients to get off their ass and look for a job.

You seem determined to focus on the negative and ignore the positive. I guess if unemployment falls below 5%, you'll still be complaining how tough it is for your clients who gave up.

BTW, the New York Post has no credibility. It's a vile, disgusting piece of right-wing trash, owned by the same owner as Fox News, but far worse. They specialize in hit pieces on Democrats, and serve as a so-called "legitimate" news source to propagate false or questionable stories across right wing media to people who don't know better. Try to find a more credible source to back up your claims of fraudulent government data.[/QUOTE]As opposed to the saintly liberal news sources that you frequent? And I have proven to you that millions are no longer counted as unemployed because their benefits ran out. Yet you continue to tout the falsified unemployment rate.

Absolutely Esten, they just snap their fingers and find jobs. You seem to ignore every single statistic that says the longer you are unemployed, the harder it is to find a job. Common sense tells you an employer will question why that person couldn't find a job when others did. Esten why would you want them to go off disability and go to work? After being on disability for a while, they will get used to the free money and become Democrats.

On another board, read a report from a guy who had been unemployed for over a year. Finally found a job. Thirty minutes into the job, he decided the place was too messy and told the employer this job wasn't for him. If that person wasn't receiving government assistance, you think he would have been so picky? That person should have the god given right to starve to death for sheer stupidity, but liberals will keep this person alive and voting for more welfare.

Going back at lest 100 years the only US president that signed into law a congressional law issuing amnesty to illegal immigrants was the creator of trickle down economics...I suppose all presidents at one time or another granted individual amnesty fora specific allian but the great communicator signed a bill , ok I'm not sure of the number but I think it covered 9 million.

[QUOTE=HotRod11;441744]Going back at lest 100 years the only US president that signed into law a congressional law issuing amnesty to illegal immigrants was the creator of trickle down economics...I suppose all presidents at one time or another granted individual amnesty fora specific allian but the great communicator signed a bill , ok I'm not sure of the number but I think it covered 9 million.[/QUOTE]Actually, Reagan signed the law that granted amnesty to [B]3[/B] million illegal aliens after the Democratic leaders of the house promised the funding necessary to actually secure the border.

The Democrats lied.

As a result, we now have 12 million MORE [STRIKE]undocumented Democrats[/STRIKE] illegal aliens in the country.

This is why the Republicans are so adamant now that the border be secured BEFORE and as a part of any "immigration reform".

Thanks,

Jax.

[QUOTE=Dccpa;441741]On another board, read a report from a guy who had been unemployed for over a year. Finally found a job. Thirty minutes into the job, he decided the place was too messy and told the employer this job wasn't for him. If that person wasn't receiving government assistance, you think he would have been so picky?[/QUOTE]This is why we need a Guest Worker program.

[QUOTE=Jackson;441747]Actually, Reagan signed the law that granted amnesty to [B]3[/B] million illegal aliens after the Democratic leaders of the house promised the funding necessary to actually secure the border.

The Democrats lied.

As a result, we now have 12 million MORE [STRIKE]undocumented Democrats[/STRIKE] illegal aliens in the country.

This is why the Republicans are so adamant now that the border be secured BEFORE and as a part of any "immigration reform".

Thanks,

Jax.[/QUOTE]And Reagan told me that I could get my hands on Nancy, but he never came through. You and your take on history is from Donald Trump's School of Distortion.

I hate to laugh at others misfortunes (maybe that is a lie because I found the gun instructor getting shot by the 9-year old girl with the automatic weapon funny also) but I read this today and found it hilarious.

"I've had to seriously downgrade my living situation, said Alex Gomez, a 42-year-old with a masters degree in entrepreneurship. Gomez lost his last full-time job in 2009 and has been looking for work since a short-term contract position ended in 2012." If there ever was a guy who majored in the wrong subject, I think we found him.

We Democrats are part of the problem. In California, we are raising the minimum wage to $10 in January. My girlfriend who works for minimum wage plus tips is losing her 5 days paid sick leave beginning January. She is net ahead. Minimum wage raise is $2000(1- tax rate) > 40 hours * $10 = $400 sick pay.

I wish they would hire some people where she works. She rants daily about all the overtime she is working. Maybe I will head to BA for three weeks to get some time off. I am tired of hearing it.

I'm betting your boy Gómez got his master's degree from a for-profit school like University of Phoenix or Argosy, most likely on-line. I worked in an on-line MBA program for eleven years (at an actual university) and even there the amount of cheating was phenomenal (and the reason I eventually quit a cake job). We had students from Iranafranaghanistan we'd never even see. Who in the fuck knows who was actually doing the coursework? One time I e-mailed some student Amaranda Panesh Yummy Yogurt or something like that, that he or she needed to improve his or her writing skills. Suddenly the submitted assignments came in, in perfect English. Problem was, it wasn't British English, so it wasn't him or her writing it. The cheating itself pissed me off but thinking I would be too stupid to notice it probably pissed me off more.

I can't say I thought the 9 year old shooting the firearms instructor was funny but I shed no tears for the stupid motherfucker.

[QUOTE=Jackson;441747]Actually, Reagan signed the law that granted amnesty to [B]3[/B] million illegal aliens after the Democratic leaders of the house promised the funding necessary to actually secure the border.

The Democrats lied.

As a result, we now have 12 million MORE [STRIKE]undocumented Democrats[/STRIKE] illegal aliens in the country.

This is why the Republicans are so adamant now that the border be secured BEFORE and as a part of any "immigration reform".

Thanks,

Jax.[/QUOTE]One of main two things Reagan did that pissed me off. Make all the illegal aliens legal. That won't encourage others to illegally enter the US.

[QUOTE=RevBS;441749]And Reagan told me that I could get my hands on Nancy, but he never came through. You and your take on history is from Donald Trump's School of Distortion.[/QUOTE]Really?

Perhaps you can enlighten me as to exactly which of my assertions is inaccurate.

Or perhaps you'd prefer just to shoot your mouth off spewing idiotic nonsense as usual.

Thanks,

Jax.

The above quote was attributed to Ronald Reagan in Jeb Bush's book, Immigration Wars.

[URL]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672[/URL]

A few notes on the 1986 Immigration Reform & Control Act.

"The law,,,,,,,was considered largely unsuccessful because the strict sanctions on employers were stripped out of the bill for passage." I wonder which lobby group would have have fought for that. Take a guess, (1) Red Cross (2) Chamber of Commerce (3) Hell's Angels.

Alan Simpson(R), Senator from Wyoming and co-author of the Bill says that the Amnesty provision saved the Act from being a total loss. "If you can bring one person out of an exploited relationship, that's good enough for me."

As for border security, "That's always the palliative that makes people(red necks) feel good......how do we get re-elected? Well, you just put some money into the border."

Border Security is nothing but a red herring when it come to amnesty. There are people who like to shove horse shit around and pretend it is good compost, but even dummies like me know better.

I ha te to keep harping on this but it does seem interesting that anything that goes wrong during a republican term at the helm the conservatives somehow find a way to blame it on the liberals. I have researched this and can find no reference to Tip Oneill promising the great communicator that he would provide funds to secure the borders. I did find many references from Regan speaches that this law was a cure all for our immigration problem. Regan contended that the section of the new law That would penalize employers who knowingly hired illegals was a game changes. Could this of been a secret agreement between Oneill and regan SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF THE Regan --- Olie North secret affair with the famous CONTRA agreement with Israil???????