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I concur fully with Exon's assessment. It's a depreciating currency and that will always lead to inflation. The only reason we Americans are getting fucked in the ass is because the current US government is following both fiscal and monetary policies that are weakening the dollar at the same time the peso is depreciating.
Always a complainer in the group,
You never had it so good in you're life. You never had so much cheap pussy coming at you from all directions. For the moment you are living in the " sweet spot " of life.
All the stars are aligned for this one perfect moment for price and beauty . Odds are we will never experience this phenomenon again in our lifetime. But you go right ahead and keep b#tching about how tough things are right now .
Starfe
I just went into one of these currency converters, and this is what they give for exchange rates:
1.00 Euro = 1.22934 USD
1.00 USD = 2.97300 ARS (Argentine Pesos)
If this is what's really happening, then I think these have remained pretty constant over the past few years. One of the reasons I keep going to Argentina is that big fat 1.23 dollar/euro rate! The US dollar has been really soft for a long time, and doesn't look to be on the brink of moving much.
My point is its a world market. If this one (Bs.As.) were to be driven higher, we'd start looking elsewhere. What the heck, some of us are already flying halfway around the world to enjoy the sport and the comraderie of fellow mongers! From my own experiences, this is still the best deal on the planet: best value and not only some of the most beautiful women I've ever met, but attitudes and demeanor that are just fun to be around. There's more to the experience than just the $$!
In fact, I believe this so much that I have talked myself into purchasing a ticket and renting an apartment for the first long weekend in November! It is my plan to practice the Dickhead Plan of the 15 Points! I intend to start from the bottom of the list and take Sr. Dickhead to dinner. Anybody else in town during this time?
El Ricardo
El Ricardo,
I hope to be down between Nov 12-20th schedule permitting.
I love Europe, but scheit! that Euro exch rate is killer, just too damn expensive to have fun!
Madaho´s-Black experiences
Friday night - got there around 10pm with General Custer, there was only couple chicas there at that time, but surely the chicas started to fill in and by 11pm there was at least 20 chicas there and maybe 5 dudes. I didn´t wait long to pick my chica, Pamela, a 22 year old Paraguayan.
Bought her a drink, made out with some DFK, and negotiated the price. She offered 250 for 1.5 hour - I thought about it and later countered with dos-cien pesos for 1.5 hours and she quickly said yes. Now later when I paid her at my apt, she was surprised to see only 200p and asked for 250p. I wasn´t sure whether there was miscommunication because of my poor castelleno (I´ve had 3 years of high school espanol but understanding castelleno, especially how double L´s are pronounced like a Z, has been difficult to understand at times - for example, llamar sounds like Sharma), and didn´t think it was worth the 18 bucks or whatever to argue about it, so I let it go at 250.
Anyways, back at my apt, she was kind of timid. She had a smoking little bod with opulent C cups on a 5´2¨frame. I told myself that I won't DATY while mongering, but just couldn´t help myself! She had a very small clitoris and it was difficult to maintain good contact. I consider my technique quite good and can usually get girls to climax, but for whatever the reason, it didn´t happen, even after quite long (20min) DATY. But damn did her ass look good during doggy!
Saturday night, went to Black's. I didn´t have change so I gave the cab driver 100pesos, and he gave me two 20´s and one 50. The guy at Black´s immediately recognized my 20´s from the cabbie as fake, and pointed out the pertinent features (one of them is there should be a faint replica of the person on the left hand white colum when viewed with a light). Oh well, 40p down the drain. Then I ordered a vodka and red bull at the bar and the waitress told met that it´d cost me the price of two drinks as I´m buying red bull AND vodka. It ended up being something like 60p extra (in addition to drink price included with the cover) - I was surprised, but again I didn´t check the price and the drink has been made. Then she has the nerve to tell me that this does not include a ¨service fee¨of 10%, 15% or ¨more.¨ I just looked at her incredulously but rememering some previous posts, I did not want to get banned from Black´s by raising a scene with the bitchy bartender, so I paid my frickin´tip. Stupid Dickfer!
I didn´t think the talent at Blacks was very good that night. The chicas were quite young, a lot of them looked like they could be in high school. Not that there´s anything wrong with that but I felt like these girls were primarily appealing their youth rather than beauty. There was constant peek-a-boo of eye contact, but I couldn´t justify the Black´s prices for any of these girls given what I´ve seen already at Madaho´s.
So off to Madaho´s - in general I think the staff at Madaho´s is a LOT less pretentious than Black´s and feel that they provide a courteous service. A burnette with a beaming smile was spotted. Her name was Melinda, and when I motioned her over, and she was again in all smiles and immediately I started to feel her legs, her soft and very grabbable flesh above the iliac crest. Melina´s very cute (9 face at Madaho´s as the lighting obscured some harsher features, but still an 8 face once examined closer later under better light), engaging, smiling. 8.5 in body, but once her clothes came off, it was more like 9.5! I take her back to a dark corner and I´m feeling her up. Her body is even better than her face. After about 45 minutes, we talk about ¨salida.¨ She asks whether I like 3somes. It turns out that she won´t go back to dude´s apartment alone as she had a ¨mal experencia,¨ and will only goto hotel by herself or go back to my palce with her friend. Well, I fucking love my apartment and don´t feel like paying extra for a hotel room that´s probably not nearly as nice as my apartment. I tell her to bring her friend over, and Sabrina´s not bad. Blond, face is like 7 (6 under the light) body 7.5 (body rating stays the same regardless of light). They love to dance and we dance at the club for about an hour, it´s 4am, so we head off to my apt.
Before entering, I ask them to wait in the hall, go in the apt myself, take out money (500p for both) from the wall safe, put away the safe key, and let them in. They love the apartment (I´m staying at Marco´s GUC and it is to be recommended - more report on this later in apt section). A few pictures were taken, ¨con ropas.¨ Very hot. Decent CBJ´s but no porn BJ as I was too distracted to direct more goal-oriented brain activity. The body on Melina´s is incredible - a definite 9.5. When she got on four reverse cowgirl, Sabrina and I were just floored by how fucking delicious her ass looks rocking away. We order pizza afterward, they leave at 7am, leaving behind a plume of cigarrette smoke.
A question for senior BA mongers-
I met a killer 20 year old chica with a 9.5 body-face at an Apt. I´m much more into having long-time (e.g. 4 hours or more) GFE in my apt - last night we went out to movie & dinner then back at my apt for about 1.5 hours of sex - paid her 400p, prearranged. Do you think this is fair for who I think is the hottest chic around? How would you negotiate for more time for less money?
Also, I'm finding that with her, I'm getting a smitten "puppy love" feeling, where I start getting a bit self conscious and I think she´s sensing that a bit too. It doesn't help that she speaks rapid fire Castelleno and keep on asking "entiendes?" and all I can say is "No" or "No, Lo Siento." I don´t usually feel this way with any chicas that I monger with but she´s starting to affect me like a hot chic back at home would (that is NO GOOD - I´m sure you all know that stupid feeling). Any advice in how to deal with this? How do you all think the Portenas feel when they meet someone that´s so different from the typical argentinian man they meet (think supersensitive ponytail man who´s obviously awed by her)?
[blue]Hi Dickfer,
My Advice: Unless you're planning to move here permanently, don't torture yourself by dabbling in a pretend foreign affair. In third world countries like the Phillippines or Central America it is possible to have a pretend long-distance foreign romance because the girls are generally pre-disposed to meet and marry an American and move to the USA. Argentina is different in that while the girls may be interested in developing a romance, it's going to be with a guy (American or otherwise) who lives here, and they generally are not interested in leaving the country.
The other barrier is the language problem. Simply put, you don't need great communication skills to fuck, but you do need them to develop a relationship.
I've witnessed too many of these situations personally, and it generally results in the guy making a lot of bad decisions (like thinking that the "working girl" isn't working any more, sending money from the USA, etc.) and in the end being emotionally tortured and feeling foolish.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Hi,
I will be in Buenos Aires from nov 15 to 21.
It will be a great pleasure for me to meet guys from this forum.
So ...
Dickfer,
Enjoy her company, but see others.
Jackson,
Nice reply.
Moondog
Dickfer, this has happened to me 20+ times in Thailand, Rio, B.A. My advice, pay her what you want, it's your money. Have a great time, but DO NOT SEND HER MONEY once you are back home!!!
Dickfer,
Good reports. NEVER pay taxis with big bills though. Always have small change. Either take out 590 from the ATM's or always pay with big bills at restaurants so you have change. People are conning you because you are letting them.
As far as the staff at Madahos you are right. They are much friendlier than at Black. I know Melina that you pulled out. I met her 2 years ago. I think I even spent a weekend with her and brought her to one of the dinners that I met Moondog at during Christmas one year. She's a really sweet girl. I never repeated with her since that weekend though. The past two years haven't been too kind to her. She has gained some weight and in the club she looks good but you should note that her facial complexion isn't that good in the light of your room. She is still a VERY sweet girl that was really great.
Jackson, is dead on target with his advice to you. If you speak no Spanish and don't live here. Your chances of a [b]meaningful[/b] relationship are ZERO. Follow Jackson's advice. He is 100% correct. Living here DEFINITELY has helped alot. I had no problems meeting girls when I was a tourist but now that I live here and tell them that....it's like taking candy from a baby. None of the girls I've asked out have turned me down. They ask how long I plan on living here and I tell them forever. You should see their faces light up.
Last night I met with a guy for dinner that reads the board but doesn't post because he was waiting for Jackson to activate his membership. I gave him some advice on buying property and he just put in an offer on an apartment. Great guy and I'm looking forward to having him as a neighbor some day. I have a lot in common with him. His love for the city equals my passion for it. This one Brasilera I met when I first moved here just moved back to BA and got in town yesterday. First thing she did was call me so I invited her to dinner to join me and this guy and his friends. Great time. Damn sweet girl. I may be out of the game for a bit while I decide what to do with her. Have a good weekend fellas.
DICKFER: Nicest thing you can do for her is post her photo and cell phone number here! Based on your description, the rest of us will be GLAD to help support her!
The dollar is weak because the rest of the world knows we are spending $200 Billion in Iraq, that we DON'T HAVE. The Democrats take money we don't have and spend it on social services, the Republicans take money we don't have and give it to Haliburton, et al. Either way, one of these days, the USA is gonna crash just like Argentina and Brazil. Then guys are gonna be flying in from B.A. to fuck OUR women!
Dickfer: Like her but don't love her.
Liking people for who they are is a healthy thing to do. Loving someone like this girl (reasons have been provided by others) is a tad foolhardy.
Treating a girl from a bar like a girl friend is not a bad idea. Actually [i]believing[/i] the fantasy is something else altogether.
Good luck, move on and enjoy.
Prices: Well, I come from the land of plenty. Our currency is still pretty strong against the dollar and peso though it has moved around a bit in the last few years. The purchasing power is still good though not at its peak.
Dickfer, I really want to thank you for having the courage and honesty to post what REALLY happened. You have been hit by the sharks for just about every scam, except the Croupier type extortion/robbery. And you have been scammed in EVERY deal you described. The best thing you can do is chalk it up to the price of education, and be more wary. Think about how you got trapped into them. Also, you really need to study more of the postings here. Most of what happened to you people have warned about.
You said: "I´m much more into having long-time (e.g. 4 hours or more) GFE in my apt - last night we went out to movie & dinner then back at my apt for about 1.5 hours of sex - paid her 400p, prearranged.".
I agree with you. Which is why I only like TLN, but also have negotiated 5 hour sessions 7-12 kind of thing. Unfortunately, you paid for a long sex session but didn't get it. You got $ar100 worth of sex and you and she spent the rest of the evening alone in each other's presence, for which she collected $ar300. When I pay sex prices, I expect intimate contact of various kinds. I never take them anywhere at sex prices. If we do anything else, my company is more valuable than hers. This could start another 4 day discussion.
Unfortunately, this woman now has an expectation. I have been there. The only way I have ever made progress is to say something like(in effect): "I have learned and I expect to be with you in my apartment 5-6 hours, or TLN(for this money), and we will not see each other again if I don't get it." And MEAN it. That is the ONLY thing she might respond to. And she likely won't respond to that very well, and give you a bad experience at best. Offering more money will likely make it worse. Sadly, she is manipulating you successfully, and it is practically impossible to overcome that. The best approach I have found is what they said about new cars in the old days: "Break them in the way you want to run them". What they give you the first session is the most important, and sets the tone for the entire relationship.
Your experiences are a great warning to others of the kinds of things waiting for them.
Exon Reporting:
There certainaly seams to be a lot of Newbies reporting lately.
We love thease girls we don't " fall in love with them ".
What a lot of our new posters don't realize is thease girls do this for a living. They need the money to pay rent, to feed their children, to simply get threw life. Just as we have job's here in sex prison, they have job's as "Escorts" in Buenos Aires, its a profession. Sure some girls are better than others and some love sex as much or more than we do. But the bottom line is they need the money.
Capital Federal in Buenos Aires is a very expensive place for thease girls. Most of them live out in the "Provincea" and take the train, (70 cents) or bus into work. My dear Amor Fabiana lives an hour from the center of town and when I call her its going to take an hour and a half as she has to get ready for me.
South America and or Latin America has different cultures than North America. They are not traped in a Victorian culture as we are, (thats why we call it sex prison here on the board). Sex is much more excepted there than in the USA.
Anyway, some advice for our Newbies, read the board. The guy's that regulary post here on the board are true world class Mongers. Ive met a good many of then personally, nice well educated guy's. There professional's, have been all over the world with our hobby. There not married men sneaking out on their wifes, their Monger's.
So heres my suggestion. If your a newbie post that your looking for an experienced "Wing Man". PM or Post for an Andres, (he's the most experienced), a DickHead, Saint or a Captain Dave even Jackson if he's avialble an offer them a deal, a free night on the town for their advice, counsel and experiance. You pick up the tab, dinner, drinks maybe even the pussy, . Whats it going to cost you a hundred buck's top's, chump change. The knowledge thease guy's have is invaluable. After all you've just spent up to a $1,000 dollars on airfare and flew 7,000 miles to Monger. They will save you time and money in the long run, time being the most valuable of the two. You will also have a better experience with the knowledge they can give you about Buenos Aires.
Mongering Tips For Newbies From.
Exon
Dickfer, great reports. I'll strongly disagree with Lexton - you're not being scammed. You're having a great time on your first trip to the candy store. Relax.
You will learn any lessons better by not constantly worrying about being "scammed" or falling in love with the wrong girl, or spending too much time drilling her wonderful body. You are spending a pittance and having a wonderful time - enjoy it while it lasts! If you want to spend your entire trip with her, more power to you, amigo! There's no prize at the end of vacation to the guy who drills the most chicas. And if you prefer five different ones every day, that's all right too! We have a name for such a monger. "Starfe." :D
The only advice I would give would be to echo the advice not to send any more money once you're home. Til then, if you spend 400 pesos for hours of entertainment and exceptional sex, keep in mind that guys pay more than that back home for an indifferent 10 minute hand job by a woman built like an NFL linebacker. I see you figured out the stuff about being careful not to carry too much money at one time, using a safe. Great!
I'll look forward to reading more reports about your trip.
Uncle Otto
Have to agree with Exon, Jackson, Saint etc regarding 'falling in love with a WG'
It is a very common theme on message boards around the world I think - certainly in the UK, but seems to happen frequently that it merits a comment. Everyone is different, and one size definitely does not fit all, but there are several common traits:
- Can you believe her when she says she is not working anymore? She has probably lied to family/friends before, so why should you be any different.
- Can you handle reading her reviews, possibly seeing her pictures on here or elsewhere etc. Don't pretend you won't look for them, as curiosity will get the better of you.
- Did she do more for her 'clients' than she does for you, service wise
- Can she get used to living without the fast, 'easy', money
Etc, etc.
I speak from relative experience, having just broken up with a South American WG in N. Europe. She had quit working immediately after we met, or at least she removed herself from the website, but there lay the real problem to the relationship, I was never quite certain she had stopped entirely.
In a nutshell, it was one of the most rewarding and, at the same time, self destructive relationships I have ever had, however I would only mildy recommend it, and strongly advise against it.
P.S. - Don't want to start a big debate on the subject, just trying to make enough posts so I can be promoted from a regular member and stop having the 24hr delay between writing and posts been placed!
Any advice on my previous post re action over Xmas/New Year would be appreciated.
All the breast.
Dickfer,
As Otto has mentioned I had 5 girls I was sending money to from my first trip to Buenos Aires. I gave the same way I would give to Jerry's Kids. My problem was not so much the cash I was sending down every 3 days but the postage stamps. The girls were upset when the money did not arrive on time. Thats the only problem I ran into. Some would not see me on my return visit do to the poor mail system . Fed Exing to 5 different addresses was getting way to expensive. So I just gave up.
Try to hang in there to the bitter end. I did.
Thanks Otto for those kind words.
Starfe
One of the most unforgettable experiences (non-sexual of course) I had in Buenos Aires was when Starfe told me about this girl that was on Area-Vip.com. He kept raving about her and even told me that he would pay for me session to session with her. I told him it wasn't necessary but he insisted. This was over 2 years ago. She isn't on Area VIP anymore. Very sweet girl with perhaps the best body out of any girl I've ever seen. Just an angel.
Anyone that knows Starfe knows that he is a very generous guy. Apparently they were writing one another by mail. I remember when I told her that I was a friend of "Starfe" and she had this HUGE smile on her face. She reaches into her purse and pulls out an actual envelope/card from him. It was a few weeks old but the fact that she was still carrying it around in her purse was really great to me. No, Starfe wasn't in love with her and it is just these random acts of kindness that mean so much to some of us. I've done the same thing in a number of countries I have been in. I've said it before and I'll keep repeating it. If you have the money, it makes you feel good, you do NOT expect anything from the girl....then feel free to give her money. As long as you are realistic and it's unconditional then do what you feel is right.
Have fun while you're in BA. Learn from your experiences but don't worry so much about every nickle or dime you're spending here and there. Read Otto's post. It couldn't be more correct. Some guys are so worried about every peso they are spending that they forget they spent a lot of time and money to fly down here. Enjoy the trip!
Saint,
The intertesting part of the relationship with the girl from Area -Vip is that she still has the original bill I sent her of GROVER CLEVELAND. She carries it around in her wallet with such pride. I wonder sometimes if the other gals have spent theirs? I never got to see any of their expressions when they opened the envelopes. It must have been priceless. If I can bring just 1 smile to 1 face each day ...........
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Starfe
Dickfer,
Listen to Jackson, Chuponalgas, JackDaniels, Lexton, Exon123, OttoGraham, Starfe and Saint. Now listen to me, I agree with all they said. You can have fun with a hooker, that is all these girls are, call them an up-graded name like a high class escort that is just inexpensive. What ever name you want. But you can't fall in love with them. They sell pussy, not love.
If you want to find a hot girl to marry use a dating site there are hundreds.
But all we are all doing is paying for a great time with no strings and because this love of women is the drug we like the most we even try new girls everyday for that better high each so we can dump the next load or two loads better than the last, if she gives you a great GFE. Either way, enjoy your time, try them all and please don't over pay you will mess it up for us. If you want to really help her, pass her around to the others.
Now hello to everyone on here, this site is the bomb. I have been doing this for years and years in the states and over the last 4 years only in eastern europe, like the Czeck Republic, Romaina, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Bulgaria, Moldova and Estonia.
Now it is time for south America, I think Buenos Aires, Argentina is just perfect for this hobby. One it is very cheap, just as much as the eastern European countries use to be. But there are far more girls I think then any of the countries I have been to other then the Czeck Republic, but the prices are a little higher in that third world country. It seems to me Buenos Aires is the lowest I have seen in a while. All the third world eastern European countries are now trying to play this Euro game, like they are worth as much a the dollar, time to find a new place to party.
What I would like to ask Jackson, Chuponalgas, JackDaniels, Lexton, Exon123, OttoGraham, Starfe and Saint or anyone else that has spent a ton of time in Buenos Aires, how safe is it really? I mean I never had any problems in Europe but that is where my blood line comes from even tho I was born in America. I just look European. How do they treat America's that look like American's in Buenos Aires?
I want to plan a 3-4 week vacation there and I am open to meeting anyone that lives there and paying for the whole night of fun on me just to get to know the place better and pick anyone's brains about what sounds like one of the best places on earth right now. If it is as much fun as it seems, I would want to buy a flat and come back again and again. Looking forward to the pro's and their comments, thanks.
Was in BA for an incredible 3 weeks from Sept 16 until yesterday. I won't bore with meaningless and repeated data.
Went to all the clubs in Recoleta and the only ones worth considering imho are Black and Madahos.
Never pulled out a chica from Black for less than 300 pesos and believe me I tried hard to negotiate down. I am fluent in Spanish, as my parents were born there. Best looking girls by far. Hotties all over on Tues - thursday, weekends there are less to choose from.
Madaho, 150-250 pesos depending on the quality of the girl. The better looking ones always started at 300 and had to be brought down. Many good looking chicas, and some marginal. The club is great although the lighting can be hazardous if you are not careful. Met a real looker that I hooked up with 4 times over the 3 weeks..right out of SA Playboy!
Affaire is cheap to get in 30 pesos for 3 drinks, but the chicas sucked and high pressure.
Solid gold, went in, got scared, walked out ...dont bother.
Several others in the vicinity that I went in to look, but not many chicas and the ones there were of lower quality imho.
BA is awesome. Get out and see the city...Tigre is a great place to go on Sunday with a chica. Try Pigari, next to the 4 seasons for Italian, and El Mirasol for an alternative to Cabana Las Lilas.
Since I speak the language and know my way around and have friends there, I did not hook up with any other mongers from the board. Sure i saw some of you in the clubs. The best part about the whole thing is how lucky we are to have had the peso work in our favor and the economy be down. It wont last forever, so get your butts down there if you havent yet. Its like being a kid in a candy store. I saw old guys, fat, skinny, young, good looking and plain ugly all having the time of their lives with beautiful women everytime I went into a club. Imagine being able to pick up the woman of your dreams for under 100 bucks....what a life.
As others have done, so I am doing now. I am looking to move permanently to BA. Thanks for all of you that post..it makes life easier for everyone.
oh and wear what you like, these chicas dont care...as long as you are clean and treat them with respect, no one gives a shit what you have on and it wont make a difference what you pay. There were nights i wore very nice clothes and others where i wore jeans and a shirt. remember its your vacation, your money and do what you feel comfortable with. A few girls told me if they dont like a guy for some reason (dress, age, body, smell, etc etc) they inflate the price to get them to go away.
rb
[b]Streetwalkers[/b]
Seriously I have done very few of these in BA but they do exist as a mongering alternative. A few nights ago I saw Monica who I did in a parking lot on my first visit. I would not do her again but it is nice to know she is not dead or in prison or something.
Tonight I saw one at the corner of Suipacha and Marcelo T who was damn good looking, almost hot, even. Definitely one of the better looking SWs I have seen in BA. I was late to meet up with some guys so we exchanged tongue signals but nothing else.
Then later returning from the Triangle it was raining and it was fucking hilarious how many were lurking in awnings along Marcelo T. Two Eastern European girls at the corner of Uruguay started talking to me in English but I pretended I did not understand and was drunk enough to try some French so they got confused and started some pidgin Spanish. 50 pesos vamos por azha. So I said "femmes ou hommes?" and they showed me their tits. One had really small tits with big pink nipples and the other had tits that had apparently been sucked on by the entire Romanian navy.
Also a couple of really cute pendejas were soliciting from the kiosko in MT between Suipacha and Carlos Pellegrini, on the south side in the middle of the block. I maybe would have investigated further but they only serve Quilmes there in 600 cl bottles and I just can't take that shit. Plus even though they were drinking in a licensed establishment they seemed too young so that is that. Probably 20 or 21 but I did not want to find out the hard way.
Suerte,
DH
Jackson,
Thanks for the suggestion about the punctuation.
I got robbed my first night here in BsAs. Called "Rosanna" from areavip, since it has been spoken so well of on the forum.
She showed up, but had terrible buck teeth with areas of decay beneath her caps. A bit much of a tummy, but hell, I needed to get my feet off the ground being the first day here and having heard of the wonders of BsAs women. A couple lights out, and it was worth a point or two on the 1-10 scale.
She smelled good. We talked a while, after her prompt arrival at the specified time. She gave some excellent shopping ideas.
On the phone she quoted 300P. I informed her I am well aware if the going rate of 150 or so. But being my first night I acquiesed. I offered 200 with cab fare.
She was on time and we had a great chat about excellent places to shop and some theatrical venues.
When it came to the sexo the condom came right out. And her buck teeth made it a less than optimal experience. We moved to all "fours". She wouldnt go doun to my favorita with her prone flat on the side. She kept squirrriling out from underneath and commenting I;m too big. Well, that,s a great complement, but I know it,s not true. Oh, and before this she asked 300R, I explainrd we had agreeden upon 200 with cab. She asquiestes.
Covered, uninspired CBJ. Some Cowboy, but when it came timr e for my favorite with her prone, she kept squirring from beneath. Afrid the condom would break, she heled it thewhole time.
Long story short, I suggested this was not working out, and suggested we halve the cash I had already given here. She would not hear of it. I called the front desk to hold her I.D, wntil things were straightenet out. Unfortunately they let her up as a "friend". I suggested they call the police, and she was outta there gofore you could say "go".
She insisted the cash was for the time. HEY!, I,m a professional. If i cannot offrer the serviced offeed, I´d cut it down the middle and hold no grudges.
She bolted when I was on the phone with thfront desk and the police. She had not left an I.D. card because seemed tobe a friend.
Mia primera vez en BsAs was not good.
Lession1: NEVER pay before.
Lession:2 negotiate for NO MOREthan 150, Anything else is "a red flag". And don,t be afrait to meet them at the door with a photo showing it,s not them.
So I´m to learn form this and try to not reach conclusions that all Argentine women are cold, scheemers, and bad at sex. But it´s hard coming from 2 weeks in Brazil.
I'm resilient, and really wan't these gals the benifit of the doubt.
Generally speaking, what would be the age profile of the chicas ? Does this vary by club ? Do chicas graduate to Blacks or Madaho having honed their skills elsewhere and perhaps learnt some English along the way.
I got the impression from a previous visit that it is mostly in the late 20s and higher.
rb1,
Your post is right on target. Good job of describing the scene. Sounds like you lived it up and had fun and that's what it's all about. And you are absolutely right about the girls inflating their prices and not coming down on price if they don't like any aspect of a guy. With many girls it's not just about the money. The really hot ones can pick and choose who they want since they are in such demand. Many I talk to never even have to leave with guys they aren't that attracted to since they are being approached all night. If you're talking to a girl and she absolutely won't budge on price just move on. I was in Madahos one night when I witnessed this type of thing happening. This guy that was dressed really badly and just look like he rolled around in a dumpster was approaching girls in front of my table. Girls were not too interested but he was calling girls over to his table. They were throwing out prices of $200 US!! This guy could speak Spanish but was American I think. He was getting pissed at the price quotes. I didn't even want to talk to him but kept listening because I was curious. He finally accepted one girl's offer of $200 US and I was laughing. Then I was surprised when the girl changed her mind and increased it to $250 US. It was clear to see she was just doing this to avoid leaving with him. He just left the club pissed. You know what?? The girl ended up leaving with another tourist for 200 pesos. Proof positive that it's not always about the money with these girls.
This is a paradise. Not just the chica scene but just living in the city and interacting with people on a daily basis is very satisfying. The toughest thing is it's tough to make money so come down with money or be prepared to create your own business. I've met many people from the USA and Europe that moved here because they loved it but now are having to move back because they figured out there is no way they can make enough here to survive.
Jackdaniels,
Girls are generally older in Buenos Aires then other places in South America I've been to. You can find some young, sweet, hot girls in the clubs but it's nothing like Rio de Janerio. Most clubs don't seem to hire too many girls under 21. I heard it was a law but I don't think that's true since I have met some 20 year old girls in the clubs. By and far though, I've found that most are in their early to mid 20's. You'll find many in their upper 20's too. There are exceptions to this rule but I've found that in places like Rio, there are much more younger girls in the clubs and the termas. Most guys I know that came to BA after Rio were disappointed with the sex scene here.
Saint, i am looking at becoming a permanent resident. I think it will be easier for me to do since my parents were Argentine citizens. I am looking at buying a business down there and based on talks with locals and family members, you need about 1500 dollars a month to live comfortably. I am looking at buying an apartment out in San Isidro or Olivos and saw some real nice ones for 80k us. The issue is how much for health insurance, taxes, food etc.
Do you think 1500us a month will do? Most people down there thought it was ok. I found a few businesses I could pick up for 20k that would produce about 5-6000 pesos clean...1500 to 2000 dollars.
of course if i were to monger excessively the price would go up but i plan to limit myself to 3-4 times a month.
as for age of the girls, they varied from 20 to late 30's the majority being in there mid 2o's. The best advice as stated by everyone already, learn a little spanish as it will enhance the experience.
rb
To all the Senior Mongers who responded with their knowledge and insights - thanks, with much sincerity. I agree with all of you in not sending her any money. I wont let myself get THAT deep into a delusion, as I RTFF!
So back to my favorita. The first time she worked "independently" for me, we agreed on 400p for six hours deal. I know this may be much more than what most of the members of this board would pay, but for me, it is less than 150 dollars for probably the best six hours that I spent this year! The first night was a bit awkward in the beginning as there is definitely a language barrier - I can with enough repetition and patience, get my ideas across and vice versa in Castelleno - but obviously she is not used to speaking to a gringo and still kept on firing off in rapid Castelleno. We watch a movie. During the walk to the restaurant, there was a bit of a lull in the conversation - you know, the uncomfortable silence. At the restaurant, I allude to hanging out tomorrow and she gives me non-commital "no se" response. Uh oh, not a good sign.
Anyhow, things get better over dinner as we learn to communicate "mas despacio," and we have a great session back at the apartment. She gets very into it, this little young thing (actually she is about 5ft9") and starts yelling "mi amor!" But at the end while snuggling she seems a bit distracted and she starts to take some deep sighs - not a good sign. She keeps on asking me whether I'm sleepy and I say no, but after 3 times of this, I figure she's asking that so that she can go home, so I finally lie and say "yo tengo sueno." I pay her the 400p plus 10p taxi and she doesnt even look at the money - I walk her down and stay with her until she finds a taxi.
The next day, I call her during the day and she seems happy to hear from me and doesn't hesitate to come over. I did offer her 300p for 2 hours and more if she stays longer on the phone. She says "bueno," but doesn't say much else. She comes over and she looks fuckin great - just the sweetest smile with eyes to die for, Anna Kornikova body. Again we have another great session. Getting pretty close to GFE!
I suggest going to Teatro Colon (a must visit in BA IMHO) for a concert and she likes the idea. Teatro Colon turned out to be all that it is hyped to be and even more - it's considered one of the most acoustically perfect concert halls in the world and it is a truly an astounding space.
To Cabana Las Lilas at Puerto Madero for a great dinner, then back to my place. At the restaurant, I just slipped her 700p saying I didn't want to think about money anymore, and truthfully, it was stressing me out. I thought about offering 600p for tarde & noche, but I already offered her 300p for 2 hours, and I paid 400p last night for 6 hours, so I figure anything less I'll probably lose my credibility and I just didn't feel like talking money with her. She doesn't even look at the money as she puts it in her purse and we return to my apt for another great session.
During the act, she starts to say "Te Amo" and even though I don't really mean it, I say the same - I think I rationalized it to myself as "I'll love her for the next two days, so I'm not really lying."
OK here is where it gets crazy - I have trouble maintaining an erection while trying to put on condoms. I also have been having trouble finishing (as a matter of fact, I still haven't "finished" with her after 3 days of fucking and sucking). She asks me what's wrong and I tell her it may be the condom. She then tells me to go BB and I pull away and say "No, es loco!" and she counters with "No, es NO LOCO!" with fierce latina determination. In a very weak moment(a big sigh), I allow it to happen (the upside is that now we're going BB all the time). Afterwards, I ask her if she didn't think it was "un poquito loco" and she says "si, es un poquito loco." Holy mackerel but oh well, the horse is out of the barn - I'll just have to be tested when I get back. She says her last HIV test was 3 months ago and she has been using condoms with everyone except for the Dickfer.
I ask her to sleep over and she wants to stay.
This morning as soon as we wake up we go at it again and get hot & heavy. Then shower, a little nap together ("dormir juntitos"), wake up an hour later and more sex.
I mention that "yo quiero a pagar 1,000 pesos para sabado y manana," as I'm taking a 10pm flight out of EZE tomorrow (sigh sigh). She simply says "Yo no quiero hablamos de eso." OK - end of discussion - sounds like to me that she'll take whatever I give her and not fuss over it anymore. I plan on giving her 1000p when I leave tomorrow for both days (I know guys, that sounds exorbitant, and I hope I am not ruining the "marketplace" for you all, but #1 I WANT to give her th emoney #2 it's still only $350 for two days of total GFE and unlimited sex with the woman of your dreams) when I leave as she offered to accompany me to the airport.
I feel like the money I have spent on her so far has been totally worth it (and believe me, it's way cheaper than having a complicated relationship back home) as I am having the time of my life!
rb1,
It might be of interest for you to read the "Living in Buenos Aires" section where I have posted a detailed list of my monthly living expenses. Other contributors like Dickhead and Andres followed up.
Honestly, Based on my definition of "comfortable" I can't live on $1500 US a month. Close to it though. I'd say more like $2,000 US per month you can live a very comfortable life which includes taking taxis whenever you want, eating out at restaurants often, getting health insurance (which is a must), an adequate entertainment budget and everyday living expenses.
I think most people could live on $1500 US a month though. If you're not in an expensive apartment, you cook dinner yourself every now and then, you aren't hitting the clubs every night, you aren't picking up girls too often and you aren't taking taxis 6-8 times a day you should be fine.
Also, if you purchase a nice apartment and you don't have the monthly expense of rent, you can [b]definitely[/b] live here on $1500 US a month. If you are coming here to live, I feel that buying makes a lot of sense. Monthly building fees for even very nice apartments are relatively cheap. If you bought an apartment, you could easily live here on $1500. No doubt at all. One of your biggest expenses will be your rent.
Read the budgets and other information that some of us take the time to write. It should help you tremendously. Take whatever budget you think you would spend and add on a few hundred dollars because everyday things come up that you wouldn't think about. Think about normal things that you purchase daily in the USA.
You really don't need to hobby too much if you live here and you are fluent. Still, the really hot girls demand that you bring something to the table (i.e. you're good looking, have your shit together, or have money, etc....). I really like flirting with the everyday hottie that is working in the stores, restaurants, malls, etc. Also, do yourself a favor and have some business cards printed up for your business. (a) it shows the girls that you live here and are NOT a tourist; and (b) it shows them that you are a hard worker and have your shit together and just not here to party. Those two things are very important in the Latin culture with girls it seems. You take the everyday girl on the street (non-prostitute) and many wouldn't move to the USA even if she could. Family is very important to these girls and they don't want to move away from their families. Also, most of the people love Argentina and really the only reason to move out of Argentina would be to improve their economic situation.
Almost every girl I've given my business card to has either called me at my office or cellphone or emailed me. Trust me, you won't need to monger much if you play your cards right. Just budget to hobby 4-5 times a month which should be good for the weekends or when friends come in town. Good luck. I can't recommend living in Buenos Aires enough. It's a wonderful city. You should have very little problems getting residency status if your parents are from Argentina. I can refer you to good lawyers that can assist you with the paperwork as everything here involves a mountain of paperwork. I plan to establish residency here in a year or so.
Just don't think that these businesses are so easy to make money with. You mentioned businesses where you can buy them cheap and make an "automatic" amount per month. Very few businesses here are [b]guaranteed[/b] to make money month after month. Doing business here is very difficult and it takes constant massaging and much hard work. Try to partner with a local if you can that knows what he/she is doing or that has good contacts. In the short amount of time I've been here I can see that to be very successful you must get a ton of assistance from locals. The only thing about Argentina that is certain is that nothing is certain. One thing is for sure, it takes a capital investment to survive here unless you have a job/project where you can work here and make money from the USA. Even skilled, highly educated people from the USA can't expect to make money here being an employee.
You MUST start your own business or buy an existing one that is successful. I've met some great guys that want to move here and some have brainstormed some of their ideas but I shot them down pretty quickly. I gave my advice to them as an unpaid consultant and I hope they found it valuable or helpful. A few of them were being unrealistic though. Think logically when you think of a business to do here. One guy I met that was just a real great guy wanted to sell a product here that is imported from the USA. This product is not so cheap in the USA and it would be even more here because of the import taxes. Also, who can afford to pay for an imported product here???? Tourists? Ok. Well, tourists can buy those products in the USA cheaper without the import taxes. There are wealthy people here but that is a small market and most things take volume to make money. I really encourage those that are moving here or want to invest here to really think your game plan through. Do NOT just listen to locals you are asking for opinions that might have a vested interest in you trying to start a business (maybe you'll hire them, maybe they'll get a kickback, etc.???). Good luck to all.
I posted a similar message in the General Info section. Posting here, just in case. I have the opportunity to arrive in BA on 12-26-04 at 11:45am and depart on 1-1-04 at 8:45pm. Is this a good time to meet women? Are the P4P women in town or away due to the holidays? Are their prices and hotel room prices higher at this time. Any honest and sincere advice regarding this trip is GREATLY appreciated.
Thank you!
3 XP recently, 1 bad and 2 good.
Let's start with the bad one
Britsy from Platynum, published also as Alice in Gemidos
I called the chica, she seems a bit speedy on the phone, do not like that but decided to give it a go and she gave me her adress in Flores.
She is about 27-30 years old, a bit smaller than the 1m70 announced and a bit larger (especially the lower part of her body) than the pics may suggested.
BBJ ok, sex was uninspired and with too much fake screaming to my taste. 100P la hora but I decided to shorten the session after on shot.
As I was coming back from the bathroom I just found her searching my trousers pockets. I do not like that (who does?); that's the first time that such a thing happens to me in BA.
On top of that her flat is a mess and no soap/towels in the bathroom.
Definitely not a recommendation.
FRANCHESCA from Platynum
She publishes also as Sol in Sensualbaires
http://www.sensualbaires.com/gi8/
and Franchesca in Escorts-argentina
http://www.escorts-argentina.com/EscortsArgentina/Girl48/Girl48.htm
Tall girl of about 30-35 years old, OK face but great body, an incredible butt and big fake boobs (though soft ones).
Cbj and good sex, 100P for 40 minutes.
Flat on Suipacha 7xx.
I recommend her if you like tall chicas.
Last but not least...
Angie from Bairesgirls, Andie in 906090modelos and Charlotte in Platynum.
Very nice lady of 36 years old, great body, small tits, very good bbj, servcio completo though I did not try her "cola".
100P the hour.
I had an excellent session, highly recommended.
That's all for today
Frans
I do not think the days after Christmas, through just after New Years are the best times for meeting girls. Alot of family committments go on here during hoildays. Last year I was in the States from Dec 15 to Jan 15 so I cannot give you specific information. However, it has been my experience that there is always some action to be found. Then there is the concept that after the holidays the girls need to pay alot of bills because they had not worked before Christmas. Good luck, maybe someone who was here during that time frame can provide more specifics.
I nominate Dickfer for overpayer of the century. The minimum wage here is [b]450 pesos a month[/b]. Can't wait to see the pictures of this woman.
Dickfer,
I'm glad you are having fun and all but it sounds like you're worrying so much about what you are going to pay your "novia" that you're making yourself crazy. I'm certainly no expert but in the countries I have been to in South America a few things always happen. If a girl really cares about you she won't accept money. There is a certain point where a girl starts developing feelings and when that moment occurs, she doesn't want you to think of her as a prostitute. She'll be with you because she wants to be with you. This has happened to me with girls I meet in the clubs. They will call and come over because they want to and they won't even accept taxi fare.
The other thing that I notice alot with Latinas is when they stop thinking of you as a client and more as someone they have some sort of connection or bond with, they won't ask you to use protection with them. It could be the very first time you are with them, or it could be several months from when you first met her.
Whether you choose to go bareback and unprotected is a risk you have to calculate in your own head. I've been at that deciding moment many, many, many times and I never forget that I'm not the only one they have done this with. Some girls THINK they have feelings the very first time you are with them. Of course, they aren't real feelings but you can damn well bet if they are offering it to you, they have offered it to other guys so be careful. Just remember that if you are weak (because after all we are men and think with our little heads sometimes), and you do go bareback it will be very difficult to start going back to protected sex. Many girls will give you the 1st degree if you go BB with them once then tell them you want to go back to protected sex in the future. The reality is that once you go backback with a girl....you pretty much always will. Even if it's in another trip.
You don't have to keep justifying what you are paying your girl. No one is asking you to make an excuse why you paid her X amount of dollar or telling you that you're paying too much. The one that sounds like you are trying to convince is yourself. Just relax and have fun. Pay what you think is fair and don't worry so much about things. But DO keep in mind the fact that it has you so stressed out might be a sign to yourself that you are paying more than you think you should. Have fun.
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As far as how busy it is from December 15th to January 15th, I've been here for a 5 week stretch during that exact time frame. It's normally dead during Christmas and it picks back up the 2nd week of January. The problem is that many of these girls aren't actually from Buenos Aires. MANY of them are from other parts of Buenos Aires and Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay and other countries. They go home during that time period and spend time with their families. There still are girls here like Thomaso said but not nearly as many. The town is relatively dead compared to normal also because that is the time that many head down to Mar del Plata for their vacation. The girls also know this so they take advantage of this time frame to rest with their families. Fun can still be had though. It didn't stop me too much.
I'd also recommend flying to Rio during this time frame. I flew to Rio two times during this time frame and that actually was a great time to go to Rio. I went to Rio for New Year's Eve one year and it was great!
Jaztasy,
BA will be absolutely dead during this time. Unless you have a special girl that you want to spend the holidays with she and her family, you will be out of luck until about the 10th of January.
Moondog
Saint, referring to Dickfer, wrote:
"No one is asking you to make an excuse why you paid her X amount of dollar or telling you that you're paying too much."
Wrong. I am telling him he is paying too much. Way too much. But anyway I am sure the baby will be very cute.
In all fairness, while Dickhead posted his post I had edited mine to add, "But DO keep in mind the fact that it has you so stressed out might be a sign to yourself that you are paying more than you think you should. "
While I certainly wouldn't pay that much, and everyone on WSG KNOWS that Dickhead wouldn't pay that much, there will always be guys like Dickfer around. I don't think they change the system at all. Girls know every once in a while they will find a guy like this that just doesn't care how much he is spending.
Honestly though I think that deep down inside Dickfer had a real conflict with himself when he writes things like, "At the restaurant, I just slipped her 700p saying I didn't want to think about money anymore, and [b]truthfully, it was stressing me out.[/b] I always tell guys to pay what you want and as long as it makes you feel good then do it. But it's clear that it didn't make Dickfer feel good.
The whole point of spending time with a beautiful girl is to have fun and NOT be stressed. If ANY part of hobbying is stressing you out that is a clear sign you are doing something wrong. You can't say things like "I feel like it is totally worth it" and things like "it's totally stressing me out!" in the same post about the same girl.
One of the main reason I prefer not to meet many guys that email/PM me is because I've found that many guys (a) have a real issue with women and I'm not talking about anything positive; (b) guys can't talk about anything else but sex 24/7 and have nothing else meaningful to say; (c) guys that think that every girl out there is for sale or that they can "get any girl they want" for money; (d) guys that just can't seperate fantasy from reality; (e) a combination of all of the above. Don't get me wrong. I've met a lot of great guys over the past few years but I've met a higher percentage that consists of the type above. I'm sure that there are a lot of great guys out there but no offense if you PM me/email me and invite me out and I don't accept. There is absolutely NO incentive for me to hang out with someone that is annoying.
Some brief comments on my first 3 days here in BA. Some observatins that I wll contradict others have made.
First of all arrived here Thurs afternoon after we had plane problems out of Dallas. 3 hours in to BA and had to turn back to Dallas. What *****!! The 10 hour plane ride turned out to be 15 hours of agony. Business class was full and my buddy and I shared a two seat section. How the hell do people sleep in these cramped spaces. Slept maybe 2 hours all the way in.
Arrived to Etoile Hotel and as described by other mongers. Nice location large suite. Internet access in lobby. Rooms a little dated but clean and big. Recommend and booked through GoArgentina at a good price.
Arranged a first date with Ximena of Soy tu Escort and made sure girl in foto came. Was assured it was her and arrived when said. Opened the door and naturally not her but acceptable substitute. Asked for $150 ar upfront and kicked her out the door. Begged to stay and called her jefe and told her i am not a tonto(but really am as you will find out later). Aregued with me as to no avail. Girlt begged to stay and said pay her later but too late damaged done and mood gone. Gave her $10ar for taxi.
Called Roxanna next and set up a tour from her the next day and called a few mongers here to touch bases.
Set out early around 5 to Oleans cafe to see day action. Smaller than I imagined and felt weird as my buddy and I are Asian and the whole place stared at us like we were Aliens. It was cool as all the girls were getting ready to reel in 2 fishes. Quality of girls were not as I have heard. Many young but mostly older but doable. Mistake made is my friend is a sucker and when all these beggars came around he would give a buck to them. Ruined it for both of us as the girls now know we are fools and fishes.
Finally asked a older nice sexy girl who says here name is Alejandra and is 25 but probably 30 or so. She says $200 us for 1 hour. Give me a f....king break. I m a fool but not stupid. Gives me her # and i say later.
Walked down to Exedra Cafe and only about 5 olllllld ladies. >Its about 7 pm and we find Florida Street and the big indoor mall. We want to see the famous beautiful girls of Buenas Aires. We walk and walk and walk and walk and keep saying they{ll be coming out of their offices soon or something. Nothing!!! At this point we are discouraged and disappointed. After hearing that BA has the most beautiful girls in the world we would expecting a lttle better quality. We are from Los Angeles and we are accustomed to the girls from the westside of LA , San Fernando Valey girls and so on. I guess we expected a lot more and trust me, I m not too picky like my friend and I had a hard time finding many normal girls walking in the mall and around the city.
Today we again sat around a cafe in Recoleta and watched all the passerbys and again discussed it does even compare to girls of LA.
Anyways hit the clubs like Solid Gold, madahos, Salome, Black, Cattos, Cutty Sark, Verde, Affaire,and a coupld of other and will report later.
I have to really thanks you guys for recommending all the different places and espceially Roxanna. We took her tours and was truly entertained and for me she is one great person and for me has great charm and personality. Any of you guys who are new coming here...call her and take her tour and learn a few things about the people. worth every pennny and more.
Will give a detail report of the chicas later.
Thanks guys.
Jason
Hey Guys
A buddy I will be visiting BA for the first time on the 20th, and was wondering what would be a fair and normal price for a internet girl? If any of you have any pointers, the info would be welcome.
Thanks
Punter127
Punter!
We [b]JUST[/b] had 5 pages worth of discussion about that very same subject!
To pre-empt another 5 pages of discussion, let me answer your question. The number you are looking for is between 150 to 200 Pesos (for the first "hour"), although some may ask for more and many will accept lower.
Knuckhead (shamelessly late on his reports)
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I nominate Dickfer for overpayer of the century. The minimum wage here is 450 pesos a month. Can't wait to see the pictures of this woman.
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I nominate Dickhead for the turd in the punchbowl award.
A guy has a great time and Dickhead wants to whack him.
Let's first see the photos of the chicas DH brags about drilling for 40 pesos before we go casting any aspersions Dickfer's way.
Uncle Otto