Madahos

Seems to me that what everyone is saying (indirectly at least) is that there are attractive chicas who provide good service for a good price (AR$300) for at least a couple of hours or more, but with the following conditions;

1 - Keep the third parties out of the negotiations between you and the chica. Price for bar fines and drinks add about 30%-50% or more to the cost of getting a chica when 3rd parties are involved.

2 - Getting he chica comfortable with you helps a lot. Speaking Spanish, staying in BA for a long time, staying in a nice place, looking like Tom Cruise (only taller) helps, etc.

3 - Negotiate, Negotiate, Negotiate. One is making a deal here after all, it is not a desert like in the States. If one girl does not work out try another. If she want a price for an hour of time offer her a price that includes more hours and thus more $$, you might get a better deal. Also preferable lead with the big head not the little head.

It sounds like for the Clubs the best thing to do is hunt for 2-5 top girls you drool over and try and see them outside of the clubs or get their contact info or give them your contact info. Make a deal for later at a better price / performance that you control. Remember that these clubs make their $$ on the girls getting the club as much of our $$ as possible, hence the general 1 hour time with a chica, it is a revolving door that the clubs want to turn very fast not slow.

As for the Privados, you have the same type of system but at a lower cost. They do seems to offer the best deals for P2P in BA, but I assume that one could get the Privado girls on their off time (assuming they have any) for a longer time at a better price.

I compare the whole thing to Las Vegas. The Luxor and Belagio are beautiful places, but do you really want to blow your whole wad of cash (excuse the term) in a few days or hunt around for a better deal. Yes the rush is bigger when you win $1000 in Vegas, but the crash is worse when you lose $1000 and have very little to show for it except the bills on leaving.

I will try the above system Sunday night (a bad night for being at the clubs I assume anyways) at Madahos / New Port and maybe Black. Try and get some contact info for later and try not to think with little willy. My Spanish is a little limited so if anyone wants to join me tonight PM me.

Cornoir

[QUOTE=Cornoir]As for the Privados, you have the same type of system but at a lower cost. They do seems to offer the best deals for P2P in BA, but I assume that one could get the Privado girls on their off time (assuming they have any) for a longer time at a better price.[/QUOTE]One of the chicas form 1633 Junin that I reviewed (very favorably) last year told me she works 10-12 hrs per day 6 days a week. That is a lot or work.

I was with a new girl from Gysell's (Priscilla) and I asked her what hours she was working on Sunday. She told me from 8PM-6AM, but she said that they had a shortage of girls this Sunday.

So 10 hours for a Sunday, so figure 6-7 hours actually "working" on average for a regular day equals AR$1200-1400. Figure that the house cut is at least 30% so AR$840-980 for the chica per day (US$217-255)

So assuming that a privado girl was working 5-7 clients a day for US$255 that is quite a load (excuse the pun) so an off-time day with one guy at $300 is a better deal for a chica.

Now applying the same system to the high end clubs you have a minimum of AR$80 just to walk into the place, plus a chica drink of AR$80-120 (which does not guarantee anything and can be used to drain more $$ the longer you stay in the club) so AR$200 just to sit with the first girl you want to interview.

The average club takeout bargaining starts at US$200 an hour but can be talked down to less assuming one has a fair language understanding for mongering (this should be a class) and the time to bargain (1-3 hours lets say) Of course if the deal does not go through you are still out a chica drink cost of AR$120. So if you can negotiate a deal (think like a poker player in this game) with a club chica you can take her out for an hour of fun for about AR$400-600.

Breaking it down equates to AR$200 for each time you enter the club and get a chica and AR$400-600 for an hour with the chica (not including other costs like telo or taxi) So US$51 for the club and US$103-155 for the chica and for you about 90 minutes of your time (10-30 minutes for negotiating and 60 minutes of chica time) Obviously the real world times are more for negotiating and less for fun time:(

So a club girl can earn (assuming the club does not take a cut above the bar fine and entrance fee, which I assume you pay again if you return to the club that same night) on a night working 2-4 guys a night, about US$206-620 or more if she finds a fat cat spender.

The girls at the clubs probably work 6 hours a night and the time fits the schedules of most girls in BA I suspect as they might have work / school or are unable to get away for a whole day, so getting them for US$300 for a whole day might not be possible.

The whole system is like playing poker and craps, a fair amount of skill including bluffing and a lot of luck especially with an unknown chica. And of course knowing when to hold them and when to fold them.

Cornoir

I think your "house cut" figure of 30% is way too low.

[QUOTE=Cornoir]I was with a new girl from Gysell's (Priscilla) and I asked her what hours she was working on Sunday. She told me from 8PM-6AM, but she said that they had a shortage of girls this Sunday.

So 10 hours for a Sunday, so figure 6-7 hours actually "working" on average for a regular day equals AR$1200-1400. Figure that the house cut is at least 30% so AR$840-980 for the chica per day (US$217-255)

So assuming that a privado girl was working 5-7 clients a day for US$255 that is quite a load (excuse the pun) so an off-time day with one guy at $300 is a better deal for a chica.

Now applying the same system to the high end clubs you have a minimum of AR$80 just to walk into the place, plus a chica drink of AR$80-120 (which does not guarantee anything and can be used to drain more $$ the longer you stay in the club) so AR$200 just to sit with the first girl you want to interview.

The average club takeout bargaining starts at US$200 an hour but can be talked down to less assuming one has a fair language understanding for mongering (this should be a class) and the time to bargain (1-3 hours lets say) Of course if the deal does not go through you are still out a chica drink cost of AR$120. So if you can negotiate a deal (think like a poker player in this game) with a club chica you can take her out for an hour of fun for about AR$400-600.

Breaking it down equates to AR$200 for each time you enter the club and get a chica and AR$400-600 for an hour with the chica (not including other costs like telo or taxi) So US$51 for the club and US$103-155 for the chica and for you about 90 minutes of your time (10-30 minutes for negotiating and 60 minutes of chica time) Obviously the real world times are more for negotiating and less for fun time:(

So a club girl can earn (assuming the club does not take a cut above the bar fine and entrance fee, which I assume you pay again if you return to the club that same night) on a night working 2-4 guys a night, about US$206-620 or more if she finds a fat cat spender.

The girls at the clubs probably work 6 hours a night and the time fits the schedules of most girls in BA I suspect as they might have work / school or are unable to get away for a whole day, so getting them for US$300 for a whole day might not be possible.

The whole system is like playing poker and craps, a fair amount of skill including bluffing and a lot of luck especially with an unknown chica. And of course knowing when to hold them and when to fold them.

Cornoir[/QUOTE]House-take is a minimum of 50%. The chica also has to pay a monthly flat fee for advertising, bathroom soaps etc. The chicas at 343 Uruguay for example handle 4-5 clients a day, and mainly for media hora. If you bother to ask them, they all say they take home about 2500 pesos a month. For the record, times are tough and even though their website shows 20 odd chicas, 5 or so have left, including the Peruana, Jessie. (Family from Iquitos in North-eastern Peru) Since I am not a club man, my guess is the same deal would apply but that is just a guess.

Argento

According to the Madahos website they are celebrating their 7th Anniversary ([url]http://www.madahos.com/fiestas.html[/url]) Anyone know any details about it?

Cornoir

Does anyone have any info on Madaho's in Mar del Plata? I'm going there next month for the first time and I'm curious if it's as good as Madaho's in BAand what the prices are like. Also, are there any other places in Mar that are good for P4P? Sorry Jackson if this post is in the wrong place but I didn't know where else to post this question.

Art

Mongers,

I stopped in here last week (Thursday night) with a business associate who was visiting Buenos Aires for the first time. Entrance fee of $90 AR includes a drink as usual. Pretty crowded, and I expected the talent to be good as Thursday's generally bring out all the "stars" to clubs. I was, however, extremely disappointed in the talent. There were really only one or two girls in here who had the "complete package". My business associate pulled a girl who ironically my cousin banged out of Madahos almost 3 years ago. The price agreed upon was $150 USD plus the mandatory $150 AR exit drink. According to my business associate, the girl was a willing participant and stayed for about 3 hours.

This Madahos experience, and an experience at Black two days later, has led me to the conclusion that the high end hooker boliche scene in Buenos Aires has really gone to shit. There were honestly almost no girls in either Madahos or Black who were worth even close to the prices they were asking especially considering the performance they are likely to deliver. Maybe my standards have just risen to the level that I am hypercritical but I have no problem paying these prices for top shelf pussy but there just wasn't ANYTHING resembling top shelf pussy in either of these places.

Suerte,

Rock Harders

These are the prices I quotes just over a month ago. I was also there a week ago. On a Sunday of all days. There was maybe 2-3 girls worth $ 500 pesos. Nothing more. With so few options I opted to go somewhere else.

[QUOTE=BadMan]More like $ 800 - $ 900 pesos these days.

Girls = $ 500 - $ 600

Entrance = $ 80

Chica Drink = $ 120

Motel Room = $ 120

Taxi round trip = $ 20

Regards,

BM.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BadMan]For the average fly in monger that isn't fluent in Spanish, If you don't count the motel, I'd say $ 500 pesos for a chica and $ 200 for the entrance and drink at best. Or just about $ 180 US. You're on point about $ 300 pesos on their days off though.

Regards,

BM[/QUOTE] At the current exchange rate, your buddy paid about $ 205 usd.

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers-

I stopped in here last week (Thursday night) with a business associate who was visiting Buenos Aires for the first time. Entrance fee of $90 AR includes a drink as usual. Pretty crowded, and I expected the talent to be good as Thursday's generally bring out all the "stars" to clubs. I was, however, extremely disappointed in the talent. There were really only one or two girls in here who had the "complete package". My business associate pulled a girl who ironically my cousin banged out of Madahos almost 3 years ago. The price agreed upon was $150 USD plus the mandatory $150 AR exit drink. According to my business associate, the girl was a willing participant and stayed for about 3 hours.

Suerte,

Rock Harders[/QUOTE]These prices for the average monger are a thing of the past.

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers,

With Spanish and negotiating ability, chicas can be pulled from Madahos for $400 AR, plus $200 AR (entrance + bar fine) and by staying at Jackson's apartment or similar you can save the love motel fee and taxi fee. So the honest real world cost should be $600 AR to pull a chica out of this place, all included. That is $155 USD at today's exchange rate; let's compare this to other places in top monger spots.

Suerte,

Rock Harders[/QUOTE]Regards,

BM.

Is the entry price a standard 90pesos + drink whether you answer the door girl that it is your first time or not?

What is the purpose of the question if not to raise the price for tourists?

Paradox, the price should be 90 pesos for everyone. The purpose of that question is perhaps so they know whether they should offer to explain some things, such as how the chica drinks work.

Madahos is reputable and customer oriented in my experience. A few examples I have observed:

1. You can ask in the entrance if a certain girl is working, they will check and let you know. This way you don´t waste an entrance fee if the girl you want isn´t there.
2. When you get up to leave with a chica, the waiter will scan the table and couch area with his flashlight to make sure you haven´t left anything behind (before you are out the door).
3. They give you plenty of time with the chicas before approaching to ask if you want to buy her a drink. Sometimes they never come you have to waive them over.
4. They accept US dollars, and at close to the going rate (a bit less, as expected).

These are all little things but they add up to the impression one gets of the club.

This is from a few nights ago. For those who are getting a little tired of great sex with great chicas, and want to remind themselves what a poor session is like, I would highly recommend Veronica at Madahos. She has black hair, fairly white skin, attractive face, slim body, small chest, about 5'6.

It was getting late, a couple other chicas I was interested in got taken, it was time for me to make a selection. Veronica gave me a nice friendly smile and I decided to motion her over for at least a chat. Things went well and I bought her a drink. Some light kissing in the club and decided to take her home. Here are some of her talents in the bedroom: she provides antiseptic lotion to rub on your hands before getting started, she needs some encouragement to get real close to you, needs to be asked to touch your dick, no bbbj, terrible handjob technique (tries to avoid contact with precum I think) Her body was fine naked despite the small chest, but I think she just wanted to fuck and I don't get that hard when there is zero onda. I asked her to leave after 20 minutes. Fortunately I was able to laugh at the whole thing and wasn't too upset.

Aside from the one chica I posted below, I have to say, I have been getting possibly the best service I have ever received from chicas in BA this week. Every other single chica I've seen (close to ten) has been a great experience, including two other chicas from Madahos, one of which was a total home run. Will post them later.