American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=Dickhead;447447]I bet you wouldn't say that to Muhammad Ali :<).[/QUOTE]Certainly not to his face. Actually, Ali had been a member of the Nation of Islam for sometime and I can not judge the sincerity of his conscientious objection on religious grounds.

I apologize if I misjudged the sincerity of your CO, but it was based on the tenor of your post and my contemporaneous experience 69-73. At the time the girls were mostly genuinely opposed to the Vietnam War on moral grounds, but the guys either thought being anti-war would get them laid and/or because they just didn't want to go to Vietnam.

I would be surprised if 1 in 100 really objected on true moral or religious grounds. I even knew a few from my high school that tucked their tail between their legs and ran for the CA border. I know for a fact they had no serious moral or religious objections, just afraid of going to Vietnam.

I might be a little touchy on the subject. I went to visit my father's and my brothers' graves today. My father was a WWII vet and my brothers were Vietnam vets. My father was a marine on Guadalcanal and Tarawa. My next older brother was in the air force and my oldest bother was a marine who did back to back Vietnam tours 67-69. He saw some of the most serious shit including Khe Sanh and was wounded three times. His battalion was nicknamed "The Waking Dead" for its casualty rate, long before it became synonymous with the TV series.

I believe that Clay/Ali's stated position was 'I got no quarrel with those people.' I don't believe in war, and if everyone refused to fight, there would be no wars. It's just that simple. I don't give a rat's ass if you think I'm sincere or not, and also fuck you for calling me a pussy. Vietnam was a particularly stupid war as they were absolutely no threat to us. Oh yeah, the domino theory of communism. Well, communism failed just fine on its own merits so all of the US efforts in Vietnam were 100% futile. The war divided the country. The war fucked up the economy for a decade. The war defoliated a perfectly good agricultural country, and I commend them for coming up with the idea to plant coffee. Vietnam is now the world's #2 producer of coffee, with over double the export volume in 2014 of #3 Colombia.

Conscription is not a harbinger of an advanced country. Imperialism is the new colonialism and is quite pernicious as well. A war to stop someone like Hitler is one thing and a war to help out French colonialists is quite another. Wie went into Vietnam and started bombing and killing without having any clear goals or purpose for doing so. A bunch of GIs fucked a bunch of Vietnamese in the process and left something like half a million half-caste children to be discriminated against. It wasn't a good chapter in our history, and even as a teenager I knew I would not be participating. I'm quite comfortable with that and very glad that I was not born two or three years earlier, because I didn't end up having to deal with it. I respect the choices that others made, although quite frankly I have at least as much respect for those who went to prison rather than Vietnam.

If we end up in BA at the same time, I'd be happy to buy you a beer, or happy to fight you one-on-one. Some people may view war as a test of courage, but I just view it as a sad waste.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;447447]I bet you wouldn't say that to Muhammad Ali :<).[/QUOTE]Ali said that nobody in Vietnam ever called him a Nigger so he didn't have any problems with the Vietnamese.

Funny story , Ali tried to buy a house in one of my old my old neighborhoods when I was growing up and they would not allow it.

NO Blacks and No Jews Allowed.

Not even the Champion of the World.

Fortunately I was too young and innocent to notice the Old South and it's outdated views.

Now they even allow Mexicans!

TL.

Joking Like Usual.

Speaking of Ali, he has left the building forever!

[URL]http://abcnews.go.com/US/muhammad-ali-dies-greatest-boxer-dead-74/story?id=18391211[/URL]

[QUOTE=RcCollins;447469]Speaking of Ali, he has left the building forever!

[URL]http://abcnews.go.com/US/muhammad-ali-dies-greatest-boxer-dead-74/story?id=18391211[/URL][/QUOTE]He really was The Greatest, there'll never be anyone else like him.

Is Trump the greatest gift from the GOP to the Democrats?

This is so much more heinous than anything Hillary's been accused of regarding e-mail. Borderline treason.

[URL]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-found-hundreds-of-classified-files-on-petraeus-biographer-broadwell%E2%80%99s-computer/ar-AAgO5C5?li=BBnbfcL[/URL]

And then there's this asshole:

[URL]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newscrisepolitica/minuteman-movement-founder-convicted-of-molesting-young-girl/ar-AAgOd7g?li=BBnbfcL[/URL]

I'm just sayin'.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;447487]This is so much more heinous than anything Hillary's been accused of regarding e-mail. Borderline treason.

[URL]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-found-hundreds-of-classified-files-on-petraeus-biographer-broadwell%E2%80%99s-computer/ar-AAgO5C5?li=BBnbfcL[/URL]

And then there's this asshole:

[URL]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newscrisepolitica/minuteman-movement-founder-convicted-of-molesting-young-girl/ar-AAgOd7g?li=BBnbfcL[/URL]

I'm just sayin'.[/QUOTE]There is nothing borderline about Hillary's corruption and treason. Please get a grip.

We have far more to risk wiht a Hillary presidency than with a Trump prediency. So, vote Trump.*

* Definitely not my guy when tings got started. However, comnsidering where we are today? He's my guy.

[QUOTE=RevBS;447482]Is Trump the greatest gift from the GOP to the Democrats?[/QUOTE]You must not live in the US. America is more than a little tired of left wing policies that deflate the economy and keep tens of millions out of work.

I think Trump is the greatest presidential candidate ever. For the Democratic party, that is. When the Republicans lose control of the Senate, I'll like him even more.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;447511]I think Trump is the greatest presidential candidate ever. For the Democratic party, that is. When the Republicans lose control of the Senate, I'll like him even more.[/QUOTE]Good for you. Please make sure to vote for Trump.

[QUOTE=WildWalleye;447510]You must not live in the US. America is more than a little tired of left wing policies that deflate the economy and keep tens of millions out of work.[/QUOTE]There are hundreds of legal immigrants who arrive everyday who are sponsor through family relationships. And they go to work very quickly because they are willing to start.

At the bottom. Or they go to school & get the right training. And in a few years, they are more than ok. Even illegals do that. Pretty simple really, unless you like to blame.

China for jobs, and Colombia for drugs.

[QUOTE=WildWalleye;447510]You must not live in the US. America is more than a little tired of left wing policies that deflate the economy and keep tens of millions out of work.[/QUOTE]The economy is nearing is full employment. If you adjust for demographic changes, baby boomers leaving the labor force, the the economy is probably at full employment. On the other hand, income inequality is rampant. The same people who did the demographic adjustment on employment examined wages of the 26-35 year old age cohort in 2005 and 2015. The finding is that in 2015 this age cohort is making $6000 a year less than they were making in 2005. This age cohort voted for Bernie and not Trump.

The problem is what is Trump really for. Many of the policies Trump talks about in his stump speech are just metaphors. For example, McConnell has said he would block closing the border to Muslims. On the fence, I was at two economic conferences this past week, one in West LA (Democrat) and one in the Inland Empire (Republican). Both times the fence was mentioned it was a laugh line. I do not think there is much support for a fence in California. One guy actually stood up at the Inland Empire conference and said more people are migrating to Mexico now than are immigrating. "What are we going to do?" he asked. "Build a fence to keep them in.".

Obviously views in California are seldom reflective of the US as a whole.

For the last ten to twelve years I have come to BA at least twenty five times. The last twenty times I have rented apartments all in different areas of the city. I like San Telmo the best. On this trip like all others I leave my apartment and try to go a different direction and get lost. After walking for two to three hours I have no idea were I am. So here I am walking along and I stop at a cafe/pub for a refreshment and in the door comes a tranny. He talkers to the bartender for a few moments then leans over the counter and looking at his back side he has a zipper up the crack of his ass. It starts at his nut sack and goes all the way up his back side to his belt. OK so that was surprise enough but it had many stains on it. Yuck oh. I'm no prude but one must wonder how it feels to go home every night with a sore butt.

Who is not creating jobs?

[URL]http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/23/republicans-passed-0-jobs-bills-138-days-running-congress.html[/URL]

[URL]http://kelly.house.gov/house-passed-jobs-bills-are-awaiting-action-senate[/URL]

[QUOTE=WildWalleye;447510]You must not live in the US. America is more than a little tired of left wing policies that deflate the economy and keep tens of millions out of work.[/QUOTE]