2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=Tequila Tim;424229]I think he meant the big O realizing the election is lost and deciding that the general populace is wrong and that he must remain in power whatever way possible. Four years ago I would have thought this scenario impossible. Now? Not so sure.[/QUOTE]Black Shirt was busting my balls for misspelling Martial and he is absolutely correct, I misspelled it. Doesn't change the fact that the only way Obama wins this election is to declare Martial Law and prevent the majority from tossing his ultimate-fail-of-an-ass out of office.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;424235]Black Shirt was busting my balls for misspelling Martial and he is absolutely correct, I misspelled it. Doesn't change the fact that the only way Obama wins this election is to declare Martial Law and prevent the majority from tossing his ultimate-fail-of-an-ass out of office.[/QUOTE]Don't be so confident, WW. If Obama gets large black and hispanic turnouts in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida he will win the election, end of story. In my view this election is a coin flip with Obama the slight favorite against a heavily flawed candidate in Romney. Despite the economic malaise the US is going through, Obama is not a massively unpopular President at this point.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;424235]Black Shirt was busting my balls for misspelling Martial and he is absolutely correct, I misspelled it. Doesn't change the fact that the only way Obama wins this election is to declare Martial Law and prevent the majority from tossing his ultimate-fail-of-an-ass out of office.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness[/url]

WW read the above executive order. BO gave himself dictatorial powers to seize all food, water, transportation, labor, etc. And for any reason he decides, not just wartime. What scares me most about this executive order is that he put it out before the election. The second most thing that scares me is that most people either aren't aware of the executive order or don't believe he will use it.

Last weekend I watched a video presentation about how liberals had taken over conservative foundations and their assets outnumber the conservative foundation assets by 10-1. Pretty intelligent on the part of the liberals. Let your opponent work hard and earn the money and then you come in and spend the money on your activist groups.

But I don't believe BO has to use martial law to win the election. The American public was stupid enough to elect a guy who during his campaign mentioned traveling to 57 of our 59 contiguous states. Of course he mentioned that those states did not include Alaska or Hawaii. BTW, where are those other 11 states and why haven't their stars been added to our flags? Women still favor BO. He just purchased hispanic votes with his immigration actions and he is currently buying Cuban-American votes. Blacks will support him no matter what. He may have lost some independent voters, but he had a large cushion. His tax the rich campgaign theme appears to be popular. BO is selling oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to lower gas prices. He proved during the previous campaign that he is not afraid to use illegal campaign and voter tactics. And he has raised a lot more money than MR and he has more of those funds in reserve.

Aside from the non US events affecting the election, BO's seems to be in good shape.

Part of the reason Romney is struggling is because of the faltering efforts at deception Republicans are clearly engaged in. No doubt they continue this effort because they have lured many into their upside down world, and hope to lure a few more. When you see people equating raising taxes with theft, and claiming that Obama hates America, you know the kool-aid is working. Fortunately, most people see such right wing messaging for the rubbish it is.

Romney was stumping this week on the quote from Obama that businessmen "didn't build that". Of course Obama was refering to the infrastructure that has helped many businesses, but the way he phrased it gave Romney an opening to distort it. Now if someone really believed businessmen weren't involved in building their businesses, such a person would be an idiot and undeserving of public office.

It might seem surprising that Romney ran with this, but it isn't really. Deception is a core strategy on the right, and Obama's statement came at a convenient time, when Romney was getting pummeled by questions about Bain Capital and his taxes. The result? Multiple speeches and quickly made commercials from Romney. Apparently Romney thinks you're stupid enough to believe this, or at the very least, that there are enough stupid people who might believe it and give him a boost in the polls.

Some people will believe Romney and think "Obama really is clueless about business.". Romney is depending on this demographic. But for those who think for themselves, Romney's argument is bogus, and he comes across as little more than a con-man. Not a surprise from a man who has a long, clear record of saying anything to get elected.

[QUOTE=Esten; 424241]Part of the reason Romney is struggling is because of the faltering efforts at deception Republicans are clearly engaged in. No doubt they continue this effort because they have lured many into their upside down world, and hope to lure a few more. When you see people equating raising taxes with theft, and claiming that Obama hates America, you know the kool-aid is working. Fortunately, most people see such right wing messaging for the rubbish it is.

Romney was stumping this week on the quote from Obama that businessmen "didn't build that". Of course Obama was refering to the infrastructure that has helped many businesses, but the way he phrased it gave Romney an opening to distort it. Now if someone really believed businessmen weren't involved in building their businesses, such a person would be an idiot and undeserving of public office.

It might seem surprising that Romney ran with this, but it isn't really. Deception is a core strategy on the right, and Obama's statement came at a convenient time, when Romney was getting pummeled by questions about Bain Capital and his taxes. The result? Multiple speeches and quickly made commercials from Romney. Apparently Romney thinks you're stupid enough to believe this, or at the very least, that there are enough stupid people who might believe it and give him a boost in the polls.

Some people will believe Romney and think "Obama really is clueless about business.". Romney is depending on this demographic. But for those who think for themselves, Romney's argument is bogus, and he comes across as little more than a con-man. Not a surprise from a man who has a long, clear record of saying anything to get elected.[/QUOTE]You state your personal beliefs with such conviction that you assume that lends a modicum of credence to them. But don't think for a moment that any of us ascribe any value to your thoughts.

[QUOTE=Dccpa; 424239][url]Http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness[/url]

WW read the above executive order. BO gave himself dictatorial powers to seize all food, water, transportation, labor, etc. And for any reason he decides, not just wartime. What scares me most about this executive order is that he put it out before the election. The second most thing that scares me is that most people either aren't aware of the executive order or don't believe he will use it.[/QUOTE]Another example of the importance of doing your own research. As I keep saying, the right depends heavily on the propagation of lies, deception and conspiracy theories. Every single thing from the right wing should be assumed to be false, until proven otherwise.

From the link below: This executive order is based in part on the Defense Production Act of 1950, which mobilized America for the Korean War. Basically that law granted the Executive branch of government broad authority in the economy: to compel businesses to sign contracts to produce goods for the national defense, to set wage and price controls, especially on raw materials, and to even requisition property that might be useful for national defense. The Act has been reauthorized many times, most recently in 2008 by President Bush, who had previously re-authorized it in 2003. President Clinton did the same in 1994. If you read the order from Obama, it [i]delegates[/i] Authority previously conferred on the President, to others. So it can be argued Obama is reducing the power of the President, not increasing it.

Don't fall for bs Republican conspiracy theories.

[url]http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-19/politics/31209114_1_water-resources-respect-secretary[/url]

[QUOTE=Esten;424241]When you see people equating raising taxes with theft...you know the kool-aid is working.[/QUOTE]I live in Texas. I pay state and local taxes, as imposed by the elected representatives in my community and in my state, to pay for schools, roads, police, and medical care for the indigent. I have no problem with that, as those services are provided reasonably efficiently and as the level of taxation isn't extortionate.

Pelosi, Reid and other politicians I did not elect propose to tax me at the rates in excess of 40% and in return will provide diddly squat. Virtually nothing. They'll help pay for the interstate highways and airports with my money. That's about it, in terms of services I use.

Just exactly why isn't this theft? A lot of people would argue that you're the one drinking the kool-aid. That would include the founders of the country, if they were still alive:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party[/url]

What Grade Did You Get To, that your brother Republicans Don't What You to Get Too? Maybe with a Mind to think for yourself?

The Rich want all us equal to the rest of us poor.

Toymann Maybe you might Need It?

One of the factors supporting the idea of replacing the E college system with a direct vote system.

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man;424228]My vote literally does not count either way and hasn't for several years. Virginians, Ohioans and Floridians are the actual deciders.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 424247]What Grade Did You Get To, that your brother Republicans Don't What You to Get Too? Maybe with a Mind to think for yourself?

The Rich want all us equal to the rest of us poor.[/QUOTE]WT,

With all due respect, anyone who writes this incoherently has no standing to question anybody's schooling.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;424248]California is Setting Up the Health Care For All[/QUOTE]Really?

So how exactly are they going to pay for this?

Or is that not a consideration?

[QUOTE=Esten; 424241]Part of the reason Romney is struggling is because of the faltering efforts at deception Republicans are clearly engaged in. No doubt they continue this effort because they have lured many into their upside down world, and hope to lure a few more. When you see people equating raising taxes with theft, and claiming that Obama hates America, you know the kool-aid is working. Fortunately, most people see such right wing messaging for the rubbish it is.

Romney was stumping this week on the quote from Obama that businessmen "didn't build that". Of course Obama was refering to the infrastructure that has helped many businesses, but the way he phrased it gave Romney an opening to distort it. Now if someone really believed businessmen weren't involved in building their businesses, such a person would be an idiot and undeserving of public office.

It might seem surprising that Romney ran with this, but it isn't really. Deception is a core strategy on the right, and Obama's statement came at a convenient time, when Romney was getting pummeled by questions about Bain Capital and his taxes. The result? Multiple speeches and quickly made commercials from Romney. Apparently Romney thinks you're stupid enough to believe this, or at the very least, that there are enough stupid people who might believe it and give him a boost in the polls.

Some people will believe Romney and think "Obama really is clueless about business.". Romney is depending on this demographic. But for those who think for themselves, Romney's argument is bogus, and he comes across as little more than a con-man. Not a surprise from a man who has a long, clear record of saying anything to get elected.[/QUOTE]Another example of the importance of doing your own research. As I keep saying, the left depends heavily on the propagation of lies, deception and conspiracy theories. Every single thing from the left wing should be assumed to be false, until proven otherwise.

[QUOTE=Esten;424241]Part of the reason Romney is struggling is because of the faltering efforts at deception Republicans are clearly engaged in. No doubt they continue this effort because they have lured many into their upside down world, and hope to lure a few more. When you see people equating raising taxes with theft, and claiming that Obama hates America, you know the kool-aid is working.[/quote]Says the Kool-aid guzzling champion of the world.

[quote=]Fortunately, most people see such right wing messaging for the rubbish it is.[/quote]I live in a very blue state and I hear complete dissatisfaction with Obama, from my fellow statesmen, all the time. The big difference is in how people view the 'why' of his miserable failure. Most people don't want to believe the truth. That his destruction of America is deliberate. So long as they don't vote for him in November, I don't care if they believe the truth.

[quote=]Romney was stumping this week on the quote from Obama that businessmen "didn't build that". Of course Obama was refering to the infrastructure that has helped many businesses,[/quote]Did you even listen to the speech or any of the other similar, Marxist-populist blather he sprays around, like Fred Willard in an adult theater? He absolutely said it and he absolutely clarified that he was not just referring to the infrastructure (which BTW, was built 100% by TAXPAYER money).

[quote=]but the way he phrased it gave Romney an opening to distort it.[/quote]Do you drink it straight or on the rocks?

[quote=]Now if someone really believed businessmen weren't involved in building their businesses, such a person would be an idiot and undeserving of public office.[/quote]Why then don't you vote for Romney?

[quote=]It might seem surprising that Romney ran with this,[/quote]What? Your opponent, in an American presidential election, tells the world that entrepreneurship is a myth and that collectivism is the only way forward and you think he should ignore it? I wish you were running Obama's campaign.

[quote=]but it isn't really. Deception is a core strategy on the right,[/quote]That's right, Mr. Alinsky. When they throw the truth at you, baffle them with bullsh*t and call them names.

[quote=]and Obama's statement came at a convenient time,[/quote]It was his most recent "Joe the Plumber" moment when he goes off script and gives the world a glimpse of who he really is and what he really thinks. If he was honest with the people in 2007-08, he never would have been elected in the first place.

[quote=]when Romney was getting pummeled by questions about Bain Capital and his taxes.[/quote]Pummeled? According to the polls, only you and the main stream media give a rat's ass about those two non-issues. Romney has been far more transparent that Obama. Maybe when we see all the info behind Fast & Furious, a situation in which the US Attorney General (or senior members of his staff) were legally complicit in more than 2, 000 felonies (knowingly allowing firearms to cross the boarder into Mexico) and the murders of 300 Mexicans and two US agents. I think that is a little more relevant than disclosing tax years that are not required.

[quote=]The result? Multiple speeches and quickly made commercials from Romney. Apparently Romney thinks you're stupid enough to believe this, or at the very least, that there are enough stupid people who might believe it and give him a boost in the polls.[/quote]Whatever it is, it's working. Check the polls.

[quote=]Some people will believe Romney and think "Obama really is clueless about business.".[/quote]Why do people need to believe Romney when they can believe their own eyes? The truly sad thing is that Obama isn't clueless. His economic destruction is deliberate.

[quote=]Romney is depending on this demographic. But for those who think for themselves, Romney's argument is bogus, and he comes across as little more than a con-man. Not a surprise from a man who has a long, clear record of saying anything to get elected.[/QUOTE]Romney wasn't my guy, until he got the de facto nomination. I'd vote for Homer J. Simpson over Obama, any day. It is heart warming to see that you still have no substance to any of your arguments and that you have never put a single factual reference in any of your posts to actually back up the spittle that you spray.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 424247]What Grade Did You Get To, that your brother Republicans Don't What You to Get Too? Maybe with a Mind to think for yourself?

The Rich want all us equal to the rest of us poor.[/QUOTE]You're killing me. I hate to take issue with someone who has done so much for me.

However, I would suggest that, during a quiet, post-coital moment sipping cafe and dining on demi lunas, that you jot down on a napkin two lists. The first should be impediments (of any kind) to individual success in America and the latter should be keys to individual success in America. Afterwards, you can ponder who wants you to succeed and who wants you firmly ensconced in a monolithic voting block.

BYW, if we are in town, at the same time (late Aug-Sept, I think), I'm buying and I will gladly listen to your political beliefs. Who knows, maybe I can repay your extensive efforts by setting you straight.

Monger on!