2012 Elections in the USA

While there are many jobs openings out there they are for people with skills. Sorry liberal arts majors and morons need not apply, they need people with REAL skills who can actually do something.

A minimum wage job under Romney is better than what Obama wants. Obama wants you dependent on the government, on welfare, or unemployment and using food stamps to insure you never leave the Federal Plantation.

Fall to your knees brothers and sisters before the second coming; he has come to take care of you and all your needs and he will tell what those needs are. All hail the Ruling Elite, All hail Obama.

At least until Nov 7th

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424280]Wow, Staples and Dominos pizza, fine examples of the "plethora" of borderline minimum wage jobs that Romney has "created", all the while destroying jobs that a family could actually be supported on ($40-$50k year). This is exactly what Romney and the slimebag Republicans like Wally Wallbanger want and envision for the USA: ship all jobs overseas that actually pay a living wage and replace them with a workforce employed in the burgeoning retail and fast food industries. Romney and his supporters want a country of "Lords of the Manor" loyally served by their "serfs" working for $10 / hour in a dead end job with no retirement or health benefits. Last time I checked it wasn't nurses, teachers, firefighters, and municipal workers who crashed the economy; it was greedy Gordon Gekkos like Mitt Romney who think that it's ok to use pension funds and retirement accounts for their reckless riverboat gambling schemes.[/QUOTE]I guess we all know which you would chose between minimum wage and Obama-stamps. By the way, real businesses that don't get Obama-bucks (Solyndra et al) actually have to turn a profit in order to stay in business. Way to go, let's get rid of all the people who know how to do something right!

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 424288]I cannot understand why anyone would criticize Romney for his knowledge of the economy. Romney took businesses which were going bankrupt and tried to save them. If not for romney those businesses would have failed with every employee losing their jobs, pension funds and their peace of mind.

Most entities that try to save distressed businesses have a success rate of about 20%.80% of the businesses still fail while 20% survive. Romney had a success rate of over 70.

Of course, to someone like Obama whose solar powered, wind assisted, federally funded lemonaide stand failed. Romneys success is something Obama could never even imagine.

And to criticize Romney because he saved pizza businesses and office supply businesses as well as high tech businesses reveals a strange intellect or lack of intellect that only Obama supporters could understand.

It is so ludicrous that Bill clinton has stated that romney not only has a genuine understanding of business and the economy but romney helped employees who were going to lose their jobs as well as helping the economy in general.

But then again, Obama thinks only the government is responsible for an individuals success which explains why Obama will always be a disaster for our economy.[/QUOTE]I am not criticizing Romney for saving pizza and office supply businesses; I am criticizing Romney for bragging about saving and creating jobs in those industries, which are nothing more than borderline minimum wage jobs that offer little or no opportunity for advancement or benefits. Obama's support for the auto industry bailouts, on the other hand, actually saved / created REAL jobs that pay an actual living wage with health benefits AND both of the auto manufacturers that accepted bailouts are now profitable.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;424298]I guess we all know which you would chose between minimum wage and Obama-stamps. By the way, real businesses that don't get Obama-bucks (Solyndra et al) actually have to turn a profit in order to stay in business. Way to go, let's get rid of all the people who know how to do something right![/QUOTE]Solyndra was a disaster; end of story. Obama deserves blame for wasting tens of billions of the taxpayer's money, much in the same mode that Bush deserves the blame for wasting more than $1 TRILLION dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan due to poor accounting, over invoicing, corruption, and graft. There is probably about $1 TRILLION dollars sitting in private bank accounts in Dubai that has been siphoned off from the war / reconstruction effort in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Tell the board honestly, WW, if you would recommend your family, friends, or even yourself to work at either Staples or Dominoes pizza. Do you think you could make enough money delivering pizzas to pay a mortgage, your own health insurance, send your kids to college, and maybe take a family vacation once a year? Who do you think its in a better financial position; the dominoes pizza guy, or the GM factory worker? Do you believe (be honest) that the average American even deserves these basic niceties, or that they should just live in a trailer and only earn enough money to feed themselves on a daily ration of fast food?

Snake, your getting as bad as Esten or perhaps as good a keeping us laughing.

So here is the nexus of the argument between you and us terrible conservatives:

According to your posts its better for a person to remain on the Federal Plantation receiving welfare / unemployment, food stamps and Medicaid than to take charge of your life and get a job if it is for minimum wage?

Speaking of GM, what a success story, taking taxpayer money to build a car no one wants, except Obama wants to outfit the entire federal fleet with Volts, screwing the debt holders and handing their share of the company to the unions, while playing a shell game with finances – paying one federal loan off with proceeds from another. Chrysler is even better, selling it off to Fait who is not too happy with the bargain now.

Another good belly laugh is those sterling individuals at GM may find themselves 'rich' under Obama's definition. If they are a two wage earner family at almost anything but an entry level job at GM they are making more the $250K a year. Don't you remember the little played interview with one GM and one Chrysler line employee? They were grousing back in 2008 about what a bad year it had been because they only made $98K that year. I think that got about two plays on the air before they ditched it, since it was hard to feel sorry for folks making that much money.

This is illuminating. According to Obama entry level jobs are worthless and receiving welfare is better than accepting entry level jobs.

I worked in pizza joints, hamburger joints and had a paper route and was happy to have these jobs. They were entry level jobs and they were essential to me. I saved the money I earned for college.

Good grief, the atmosphere of entitlement that Obama is fostering is terrifying.

By the way, it is not hard to understand why Obama defiles entry level jobs. Probably because Obama has never had a real job in his life. entry level or otherwise.

[QUOTE=Jackson;424253]Another example of the importance of doing your own research. As I keep saying, the left depends heavily on the propagation of lies, deception and conspiracy theories. Every single thing from the left wing should be assumed to be false, until proven otherwise.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Esten;424258]More plagiarism from Jackson, taking my statement and substituting "right" with "left". He's done this before. You'll notice when I referred to doing more research, I actually then [i]presented[/i] research which proved a Republican talking point to be false. But Jackson doesn't present any research to refute my points. So his attempt to be cute only reinforces the point about a lack of substance from the right.[/QUOTE]Esten,

I was mocking you, but apparently I was too subtle.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424302]Bush deserves the blame for wasting more than $1 TRILLION dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan due to poor accounting, over invoicing, corruption, and graft.[/QUOTE]Yea, what a waste that was, decimating Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan, and subsequently liberating 40 million people from the throes of a murderous dictator in Iraq.

[QUOTE=Dccpa; 424277]It states in the EO that it is from the Defense Production Act, that is not news. So if Bush and Clinton, two of the Presidents responsible for wrecking our economy have issued similar executive orders then its ok? The difference between BO & Clinton / Bush is that BO has the type of personality that would use this order on the American Public. The drones have been authorized for a reason.

BO expanded the EO to include the Dept of Homeland the Security. The same DHS whose head has labled people who believe in state's rights as terrorists and the same DHS that has purchased hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition. Between the Patriot Act, this EO, and the plethora of other laws passed in the last few years, all in the name of protecting us, I feel far less safe than ever before.[/QUOTE]Funny how you guys operate. You originally came on here blazing with your claim "BO gave himself dictatorial powers". Then when I put it in context, you respond oh yeah, that's in the EO, that is not news.

Now that the birther conspiracy has been discredited, the GOP needs a new conspiracy to feed the gullible. Looks like "drones spying on Americans" falls in that category. I went looking for a photo, all I found was one photoshopped photo showing one flying near some cows. It's clearly photoshopped. Only a fool would fall for their shit.

Ironically, the House GOP passed a bill that orders the FAA to develop regulations for the testing and licensing of commercial drones. Republicans have raised some concerns about privacy, but they support this emerging industry. I guess it would be anti-business not to.

Dccpa, it sounds like you are simply determined to believe in Obama conspiracy theories, no matter what.

With Bin Laden and numerous other al-Qaida leaders now taken out, I personally feel more safe than before.

The US Department of Energy has at least 3 programs, which have guaranteed loans totalling about $38 Billion:

46% through the 1705 program
30% through the 1703 program
24% through the ATVM (Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing)

These programs are estimated to have created 63000 jobs, to have contributed to the drop in solar energy costs (making solar energy more economically viable, benefitting US consumers and businesses), and giving the US a stronger footprint in this growth industry, rather than letting China completely dominate.

Solyndra was funded $500 Million through the 1705 program, which represents about 1.3% of the total portfolio.

Focusing only on Solyndra, is like focusing on the small mole on Scarlett Johannson's cheek.

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 424288]I cannot understand why anyone would criticize Romney for his knowledge of the economy. Romney took businesses which were going bankrupt and tried to save them. If not for romney those businesses would have failed with every employee losing their jobs, pension funds and their peace of mind.

Most entities that try to save distressed businesses have a success rate of about 20%.80% of the businesses still fail while 20% survive. Romney had a success rate of over 70.

Of course, to someone like Obama whose solar powered, wind assisted, federally funded lemonaide stand failed. Romneys success is something Obama could never even imagine.

And to criticize Romney because he saved pizza businesses and office supply businesses as well as high tech businesses reveals a strange intellect or lack of intellect that only Obama supporters could understand.

It is so ludicrous that Bill clinton has stated that romney not only has a genuine understanding of business and the economy but also that romney helped employees who were going to lose their jobs as well as helping the economy in general.

But then again, Obama thinks only the government is responsible for an individuals success which explains why Obama will always be a disaster for our economy.[/QUOTE]Of course Romney has business experience. So does Donald Trump. That doesn't qualify them to be President. We need to vote on the values and policy positions of the candidates.

And this is why Clinton supports Obama, not Romney. Clinton is on record that Romney would be "calamitous for our country and the world." He also said Republicans' "economics are wrong-headed and their politics are worse."

Clinton knows what he is talking about.

And your last statement is a complete lie. Obama believes individuals are responsible for their success, but in many cases, the government has also [i]contributed[/i] to that success.

Esten.

I am with Jackson. Listening to you is similar to listening to a talking rock, talking marshmellow or a potted plant that talks. You just don't get it.

The government did not contribute to anybodies success. Whatever the government has done, build roads etc was done by the private sector with the taxes the private sector paid. The government has no, none as in 0 income except for what the government extorts from the private sector.

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 424311]This is illuminating. According to Obama entry level jobs are worthless and receiving welfare is better than accepting entry level jobs.

I worked in pizza joints, hamburger joints and had a paper route and was happy to have these jobs. They were entry level jobs and they were essential to me. I saved the money I earned for college.

Good grief, the atmosphere of entitlement that Obama is fostering is terrifying.

By the way, it is not hard to understand why Obama defiles entry level jobs. Probably because Obama has never had a real job in his life. Entry level or otherwise.[/QUOTE]This is exactly the point. Entry level jobs are ideal for high school and college kids and everybody works in those types of jobs when they are at that point in their life. However, they simply do not pay nearly enough to raise a family on. Romney has no business raving about creating these kinds of jobs when they are, almost by definition, dead end borderline minimum wage jobs.

They are jobs and important to the people who have them. Unfortuneately, Obama prevents the creation of jobs at any level.

I can see it now. Obama wants to eliminate entry level jobs in order to get the real unemployment rate over 20%. Whoops, we are already there. One more step in Obama's plan to destroy the economy of the United states.

But i am giving Obama too much credit. Obama isn't purposely destroying the economy of the united states. Destroying the economy of the united states is simply a by product of Obama's inexperience, total lack of knowledge of the how economies function and throw in heaping spoonfuls of incompetence and lack of intelligence.

[quote]New polls show Americans increasingly have serious doubts about the president's ability to do his job, particularly when it comes to the economy.

• In a poll for The Hill. 66% of Americans now believe chronic high joblessness and slow economic growth are due to bad policy and most — 34% — blame Obama. Just 18% fault George W. Bush, Democrats' preferred villain. By 53-42, voters say Obama has followed the wrong policies and hurt the economy.

• After Obama's insulting remarks, a Rasmussen Poll shows 72% "believe small business owners (are) primarily responsible" for their success. And 57% think entrepreneurs "do more to create jobs and economic growth than big businesses or government."

• Despite Obama's repeated attacks on Mitt Romney's business background, another new poll shows Americans increasingly see Romney as a can-do alternative to a bumbling Obama. By a 63-29% margin, a USA Today-Gallup Poll finds Americans "say Romney's background in business. Would cause him to make good decisions, not bad ones" on the economy.

In short, the ballot-box Teflon may be wearing thin for Obama. We're not surprised.

[url]http://news.investors.com/article/619197/201207231913/obama-shows-vulnerability-on-economic-issues-in-new-polls.htm[/url][/quote]Perhaps American voters are finally waking up.