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[QUOTE=Member #3320; 425504]I was fucking a girl today in a cheap [email]privado@200[/email] Pesos an hour. Have been going here for years and the place always has a nice line-up.
When I landed there, all 5 girls were free at 5pm! Not normal for BA! Took a girl. Immediately, we got naked and she was slurping my cock. This place is a kind of place where there is no drama, no DFK, straight hard core sex, slurpy BJs and Bn.
To cut long story short, I talked to the chica. I said hows the business going. She said,"very bad". I said "why". She said "No customers". I said, how much you make in a month. She said " 3000 pesos if I am lucky". I said, I can't believe it. She said, its true. I said, how many guys a day : She said " 2-3 a day" despite being a low cost privado.
I started thinking to my myself. If this chick can fuck 3 guys a day for 500 USD a month. If you pay her 800 us$ as sugar daddy, she will possibly do anything for you. She was not the best looking chick. She was attractive, Paraguaya. 28 yrs old, tall, fit and a expert in giving BJ. Imagine having a girl like this sucking you 2-3 times a day, no questions asked!
I think if I go to paraguay for a search, I can easily find a model like babe, with excellent skills for 1K / month.
I asked her about the dollars. She said, its so tough to send dollars now. She had 9 younger bro / sis to feed and hence her situation. Felt sorry for her but also intrigued by the possibilities.[/QUOTE]
Her math doesn't add up. Don't the chicas get half of the fee? 2. 5 customers per day at $100 pesos = $250 pesos per day. It would only take her 12 days to reach $3000 pesos.
Edit - Another thing to consider is that if she is staying home in Paraguay, she doesn't have the overhead of living in BA.
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[QUOTE=Dccpa;425512]Her math doesn't add up. Don't the chicas get half of the fee? 2. 5 customers per day at $100 pesos = $250 pesos per day. It would only take her 12 days to reach $3000 pesos.[/QUOTE]They get 40% in most places. Gisell was even using 50% as a recruiting tool, when she had her place. Uruguay 343, Maipu 359, and a couple other places, the gals have all told me they get 40. Plus a lot of privados make them contribute to "advertising" such as the guys who are pasting the little flyers on all the phone booths and lamp posts.
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Be a sugar daddy
The trick is you don't want to recruit from the working girls. Most are very jaded and will want ten times more then they are worth. They will lie, cheat, and steal from you because that's what they are accustomed to doing. Find a nice local girl who needs a little help. There a thousands of young girls here with baby's and no job. Or girls working all month for under 2000p. The possibility's are endless. Plus they are more grateful! Most working girls, unless you catch them early, can't or won't adapt.
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Easy money
[QUOTE=SunSeeker;425511]The trouble will start once she gets used to the easy money coming in.[/QUOTE]Yes Sir. It just seems the porteņas are too smart LOL.
Happened to me, very nice girl with kids. 3000P / month minimum to help her while she was looking for another job, spent the whole night with her 2/3 times a week.
12 months later, still not looking for a job. Altogether, worked as waitress 1 1/2 month, then her kids got sick, no baby sitter, blablabla.
Fastest way to make money for them seems to spread their legs. And not as much a dreg as going to work and spending several hours a day like cattle in their shitty transportation
System. Which is true.
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[QUOTE=Dccpa;425512]Her math doesn't add up.[/QUOTE]Please remember, they don't work 7 days' a week.
Please remember they don't work during their "periods".
Please remember they do not get more than 40% of total they make.
Please remember all clients do not necessarily do 1 hour with them.
Please remember, she may also use some of that money on daily transportation to-fro to privado.
Please remember they have to pay for advertising costs and maybe some other costs too.
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[QUOTE=Dccpa;425512]Another thing to consider is that if she is staying home in Paraguay, she doesn't have the overhead of living in BA.[/QUOTE]I am not sure what you mean?
I met her in a privado in BA, NOT in Asuncion.
She is from Paraguay but LIVES in BA and WORKS in BA.
Her FAMILY lives in Asuncion to whom she sends money.
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[QUOTE=Gandolf50;425519]The trick is you don't want to recruit from the working girls. Most are very jaded and will want ten times more then they are worth. They will lie, cheat, and steal from you because that's what they are accustomed to doing. Find a nice local girl who needs a little help. There a thousands of young girls here with baby's and no job. Or girls working all month for under 2000p. The possibility's are endless. Plus they are more grateful! Most working girls, unless you catch them early, can't or won't adapt.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, amigo. But I also disagree with you (Pardon me for that).
I have reached a stage of life where I get a kick only from fucking working girls. Just give them the money and tell them to suck my cock. Non working girls, I may find attractive but very very rarely are they any good in bed. The kind of Bjs I get from working girls; I rarely ever get a BJ like that from a non working girl.
Coming back to your suggestion, where to find one of these thousand non working unemployed girls in BA. Any tips?
Though I agree with you, working girls are all fucked up mentally / emotionally.
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[QUOTE=Member #3320;425521]Please remember they don't work during their "periods".[/QUOTE]Definitely not true in most cases. They use sponges. Trust me on this one.
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In general sure, initially girls with more xp is going to rock your boat better than those with less xp, and agree in general pros have lot more xp than a true amateur.
But in my opinion, the degree that any chica will do whatever you want and how you like it is primarily a degree of motivation. Pro or amateur, long as you're not shy about directing and saying what you want / like, you can turn any of them into a raving "porn star" companion with enough motivation = money (or equivalent of money that she really wants). Amazing how fast chicas can learn when enough incentive is on the line
Nothing wrong with being a sugar daddy on a budget, but if you're really going to swing as a sugar daddy, you'll exceed so far any current income expectation she has that she'll happily do whatever kinky thing you're into. Even of a pro. That to me is the definition of a sugar baby & sugar daddy relationship. Unless you picked a whack job she'll be extremely grateful and pretty motivated in and out of bed. Identify the whackos fast and move on. Budget SD's just basically mean you have to depend on that chica coming as-is with a certain level of aptitude.
The real problem I find of making sugar daddy deals is how jealous or possessive your sugar baby chica turns. As Charlie sheen once said he pays them to leave when he wants. Having them stalk you on the couple nights a week you may want off to cycle in different girls is always a pain
P.s. the only thing an SD - SB deal can't change short of medical intervention is physical characteristics that get you off. Example - if her vaginal muscles or tightness just doesn't do it for you, however sweet and motivated she is there's not much that can help in reasonable timeframe, even with reconstructive surgery.
So I tend to look for the specific physical characteristics I like, then move to seeing if her attitude can work out into a decent SD deal.
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[QUOTE=Member #3320;425524]I agree with you, amigo. But I also disagree with you (Pardon me for that).[/QUOTE]Every one has different likes and dislikes! No need to say pardon me! This board is to voice your opinion! My X used to say that I was VERY OPINIONATED! Plus we all have different schedules and needs. Some people don't want to be a sugar daddy. Being a sugar daddy has its responsibility's and draw backs."Abusing" one, two or more new and different girls every day also has its benefits. It all depends what you are looking for! I like having a "sure" thing available and on call!
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[QUOTE=Mpexy;425534]But in my opinion, the degree that any chica will do whatever you want and how you like it is primarily a degree of motivation.[/QUOTE]I don't know, how many non pro chicas you have had sex with. I have across many in my world wide travels. And what I noticed is that some smashing looking non. Pros normally assume that just by giving you company, they are doing more than enough in return of the money splurge. Sex always was mediocre. Also with non.pros, when you spend too much money, they usually think you are a sucker / loser / desperate and play you more / tease you more.
If you want good sex with a non-pro, you have to treat them like SHIT! Do not spend any money or them or just very basic money / Flirt with other girls / make them insecure / dress up-talk well-look good.
Spending money will only make them laugh at you behind yr back and treat you like shit!
Sugar daddy works well with pros or a girl who is a semi prostitute. Someone who has decided to use her body for money.
Normal day to day girls from decent families like mind games / more than money. Or even if they like money, you can not make it obvious that you want to spend it on them.
I am not sure if you get my point. People who have actively dated, would understand my point.
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Tough to answer re: how many non pro chicas I've had sex with and / or whatever counts as "actively dated to understand your point" without either coming across as a braggart or not credible given fairly anon nature of this board. In Argentina I'd say I've had lot more semi pros and pros SD deals. Outside of Argentina including the states and Europe, I've had lot more amateur / non-pro SD experiences and that number is significantly higher than my Argentina ones. Although think there'd be some debate over whether strippers and want to-be models / actresses who never did pay for play before becoming a sugar babe for first time counts as amateur or not. I think they do but I'm sure others would say those are chicks that are pros that hadn't gone pro yet.
I'll just say you can't take one small snippet of my post and reply only on that snippet. Just quoting the assertion that chicks will do whatever you want primarily based on degree of motivation is too broad. What kind of motivation, etc? As you say, I suppose one way to provide that motivation is treat them like shit, mind games, etc. But germane to this thread that is NOT.
Mind gaming a chica into being your personal love doll is a tactic, sure. But that's not by any stretch the definition of being a sugar daddy to get amateur or pro pay-to-play action. We can argue or debate anything if you're obstinate enough but as I noted in my full post below."if you're really going to swing as a sugar daddy, you'll exceed so far any current income expectation she has that she'll happily do whatever kinky thing you're into" and that by definition you are applying the motivation I spoke of via cash and / or lifestyle / fame / power to a degree so far removed from her former lifestyle that she will happily do whatever you want. Some learning on the job perhaps needed but in my xp, goes pretty fast.
My opinion and experience has been that specifically related to this thread. Which is sugar daddy lever only. Is that any degreee of motivation you desire is simply a factor of money. Most women who would be receptive to a possible sugar daddy situation has a number that no matter how high it may be to some people's budget (or low depending on your specific income) , once you cross that magic line even the most stuck up pros or hesitant amateurs are so motivated to extreme degree that basically it's as close to having a modern day personal harem anything-goes situation possible.
The reply may be 'but yea, you're talking about stupid levels of money'.
And so? If you want to swing as a sugar daddy then there's really no such thing as stupid levels of money. Don't be the price police when the very definition of this particular tactic is to blow the chick away with money as your primary motivating lever.
Completely agree there's other ways to do land chicas, here or Europe or rest of world, but the minute you start taking about how you apply mental levers, that has nothing to do with the classic definition of a sugar daddy play.
[QUOTE=Member #3320; 425553]I don't know, how many non pro chicas you have had sex with. I have across many in my world wide travels. And what I noticed is that some smashing looking non. Pros normally assume that just by giving you company, they are doing more than enough in return of the money splurge. Sex always was mediocre. Also with non. Pros, when you spend too much money, they usually think you are a sucker / loser / desperate and play you more / tease you more.
If you want good sex with a non-pro, you have to treat them like SHIT! Do not spend any money or them or just very basic money / Flirt with other girls / make them insecure / dress up-talk well-look good.
Spending money will only make them laugh at you behind yr back and treat you like shit!
Sugar daddy works well with pros or a girl who is a semi prostitute. Someone who has decided to use her body for money.
Normal day to day girls from decent families like mind games / more than money. Or even if they like money, you can not make it obvious that you want to spend it on them.
I am not sure if you get my point. People who have actively dated, would understand my point.[/QUOTE]
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Yes and No
[QUOTE=Mpexy;425563]the minute you start taking about how you apply mental levers, that has nothing to do with the classic definition of a sugar daddy play.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree with your post in many ways but not totally.
And I am not in a mood to have a debate.
To each his own.
I know EXACTLY, what "sugar daddy" means! I don't need a coaching class for the definition, dude. I am not exactly in high school!
My point basis my experiences was, not every girl is "on sale". Girls from rich backgrounds or decent families with good family values have standards/are not on sale. And we are not discussing 1 billion us$ for a night here! We are discussing practical / normal scenarios in normal day to day life.
And I reiterate at times, when you try to spend too much money on "some type" of girls, they actually laugh at you and consider you a big desperate asshole!
And henceforth, my initial argument that I like to pick a working girl/prostitute, maybe pay double or triple of what she normally earns. Keep her for a month or so and move on.
You do not necessarily have to be in agreement and ditto for me.
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If you don't want to debate then don't bring facetious context and wild extremes into an otherwise pretty valid thread.
-ok, you don't need to be coached on definition of sugar daddy, but you tout mind game tactic instead. Which I believe valid as way to get what you want. But nothing to do with playing the sugar daddy card. Pretty odd to be defensive about knowing the definition but then speaking as if you don't
-no one said every girl on sale, whole point of trying the sugar daddy role is for those that are receptive to it. For those that are, my point was there's always a number that turns that chick into whatever you want.
-"a billion a night". Really? That's the extreme you think of to refute anything goes sugar daddy deals? Straw man argument. Clearly in your "we are discussing practical / normal scenarios in normal every day life" you don't allow for the possibility there are plenty of guys where dropping $10k+ a night is no big deal. Or monthly retainers,"allowance", etc far exceeding that. Or in cases like Argentina, whatever is the local equivalent of $10k+
There's a lot of room to swing the sugar daddy bat between ordinary normal Joe budget and a billion "dude". I'm just throwing $10k as an example but depending on girl, location, her receptiveness and whatever else in terms of fame / power / connections you can offer, it can vary quite a bit. But doesn't need nine zeros behind it.
[QUOTE=Member #3320; 425566]Yes, I agree with your post in many ways but not totally.
And I am not in a mood to have a debate.
To each his own.
I know EXACTLY, what "sugar daddy" means! I don't need a coaching class for the definition, dude. I am not exactly in high school!
My point basis my experiences was, not every girl is "on sale". Girls from rich backgrounds or decent families with good family values have standards / are not on sale. And we are not discussing 1 billion us$ for a night here! We are discussing practical / normal scenarios in normal day to day life.
And I reiterate at times, when you try to spend too much money on "some type" of girls, they actually laugh at you and consider you a big desperate asshole!
And henceforth, my initial argument that I like to pick a working girl / prostitute, maybe pay double or triple of what she normally earns. Keep her for a month or so and move on.
You do not necessarily have to be in agreement and ditto for me.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mpexy; 425577]If you don't want to debate then don't bring facetious context and wild extremes into an otherwise pretty valid thread.
-ok, you don't need to be coached on definition of sugar daddy, but you tout mind game tactic instead. Which I believe valid as way to get what you want. But nothing to do with playing the sugar daddy card. Pretty odd to be defensive about knowing the definition but then speaking as if you don't
-no one said every girl on sale, whole point of trying the sugar daddy role is for those that are receptive to it. For those that are, my point was there's always a number that turns that chick into whatever you want.
-"a billion a night". Really? That's the extreme you think of to refute anything goes sugar daddy deals? Straw man argument. Clearly in your "we are discussing practical / normal scenarios in normal every day life" you don't allow for the possibility there are plenty of guys where dropping $10k+ a night is no big deal. Or monthly retainers,"allowance", etc far exceeding that. Or in cases like Argentina, whatever is the local equivalent of $10k+
There's a lot of room to swing the sugar daddy bat between ordinary normal Joe budget and a billion "dude". I'm just throwing $10k as an example but depending on girl, location, her receptiveness and whatever else in terms of fame / power / connections you can offer, it can vary quite a bit. But doesn't need nine zeros behind it.[/QUOTE]Oh man. Don't waste my time.
I am here to have pleasant discussions with like minded pleasant people.
Not interested in hostile conversations and with with " I know all" smart asses.
Please forgive me ( sarcasm intentional) for not agreeing to your view point.
Please forgive me ( sarcasm intentional) for daring to voice my "stupid" ( sarcasm intentional) views here which were incoherent to your smart ass wisdom based on years of experience.
beg your pardon for my follies. ( sarcasm intentional!)
Daring to ( sarcasm intentional) to put you in my ignore list. You do the same, if you like, SIR ( sarcasm intentional).