Black

I disagree very strongly with Moore's opinion about the quality of chicas in the place. But then again he's on record as saying most chicas in BsAs are unattractive.

However, I would note that if you read the forum, it's well-reported that Friday and Saturday are the worst nights for this place (as well as for most boliches)

It all comes down to a judgment call. I might think a place is full of skanks and sharks while another guy loves it.

[QUOTE=Hunt99]I disagree very strongly with Moore's opinion about the quality of chicas in the place. But then again he's on record as saying most chicas in BsAs are unattractive.[/QUOTE]Argentina has the highest % of gorgeous/sexy chicas that I've ever seen in the world, Prague / Florence / Barcelona are not in the same league or even the same sport. I doubt I'd live here otherwise. But >90% of WORKING chicas in BA are nasty skanks is what I said and know, unfortunately.

Like I said, I've walked out of Black more than once due to seeing nothing even remotely doable, which is quite a feat for Moore after a few beers. Again, I just don't know how these places do it - finding hot babes in Argentina is like finding sand in the Sahara but they still manage to assemble a freakshow lineup.

In general I agree with Moore here. I think you have to search around a bit to find attractive (& young ie 19-25 yrs) women, of those you need trial and error to find the ones that have a good attitude both in general and that click with you specifically. I have maybe 2 or 3 favoritas and I really searched for them.

I think the clubs in general are hit or miss. Depends on day, time, whos been taken out already. Many girls have a skill to turn on the charm to get the sell and then the charm disappears in the bedroom. Other women seem to have little charm and then are awesome in bed. Some will warm up alot on the second visit because they realize you may not be a one-time client.

Blacks is not exempt from any of these generalizations.

Jj

I've talked about this before. I used to go to Black just after the crash and it was FULL of 8s and 9s with the occasional 10. Seriously there was very little diff between the chicas available and the pole dancers. Then as 2001 (I think that was the year of the crash) the quality started to slip. Some time in 04 I was there with some rich friends and it was full of a lot of fat chicas, really bad. I mentioned it to a waitress that I remembered and asked if it was just the night or the place had changed. She said it had changed. I think two things happened, a lot of the really top quality girls went to Europe. And when Madaho opened there was a migration of some more. You can still find a beautiful woman there if you look and take your time but its not what it once was. I do like their rule that chicas can't approach uninvited though.

Daddy, aren't you and Moore confusing Black with the Microcentro clubs?

Granted, I haven't been in Black for a couple of months, but I somehow doubt that the place is all-of-a-sudden full of fat skanks.

As I see it there are three issues at play here.

First, the matter of personal preferences. There's no accounting for taste.

Second, every club is always in a state of flux. Getting better, getting worse, even from night to night. I usually avoid the boliches on Friday and Saturday nights (Sunday nights, too, though I think quality gets better on Sunday night over the previous two).

Third, the inevitable wearing-off of the first shock one gets when visiting Buenos Aires when you return for multiple trips. If you read this board's archives, you will see posters saying things have been going steadily downhill since the 1990s. New guys tend to come on the board, and say [b]WOW![/b] Experienced hands who hang around tend to say "Everything sucks, all the hotties have left for Europe."

All I can say is that I am an old hand in this place, and I haven't seen any great dropoff. Certainly I can find "ugly" chicas here if I look hard enough. But that's true of every club in the world. On my last visit, I shepherded a newbie on his first trip to Buenos Aires, a guy who has visited bordellos the world over, and he was absolutely flabbergasted, beside himself, drooling, at the quality of the 100 or so chicas in this place.

[QUOTE=Hunt99]Daddy, aren't you and Moore confusing Black with the Microcentro clubs?[/QUOTE]Can't speak for Moore but for myself only. When I first started coming here I used to go to Black a fair amount. It really was unbelievable then, Kinda like going to a party at the Playboy Mansion (or rather as I imagine one would be never having attended one). After the first year I noticed a small decline. I didnt go for probably a year or so then I went again and it seemed to really have fallen off. 6 months after that visit was the one I mentioned in my post. I havent been there for over a year so I can't really speak about how it is now.

I didnt mean to imply that it was full of skanks because that has never been my experiance, only that it is not packed with the stunners it once was.

[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]. It really was unbelievable then, Kinda like going to a party at the Playboy Mansion (or rather as I imagine one would be never having attended one)[/QUOTE]Blacks, or Madahos, is not like going to a Playboy mansion or club party. However, it's not that bad a second place, in my opinion. Quality levels differ on various nights, time of night, time of month, but in general, both Blacks and Madahos have as a general population a higher quality in terms of just looks than other clubs I've been here, which isn't all, but a good number of. Yes, other clubs have girls easily as good as those at Blacks, just that there's only a few in each - as a single large group, Blacks and Madahos seems to be the highest median average.

Daddy - being at a Playboy Mansion party is fun, pics are from Bliss in Los Angeles for Halloween. However, while I found the girls a lot more friendly at a Playboy party and the fun factor is great, the scene today as we know it in Blacks is pretty darn good too as the guaranteed P4P comes with zero complications. The Charlie Sheen quote of not really needing to pay for sex but for paying them to leave comes to mind as any bunny you take home or go out with comes with a lot of complications.

Doc,

If having your job in the city you work wasnt enough to be despised by all, these pics (assuming you took them and I do) should make you the hated by mongers everywhere.:)

Ill defer to your opinion on Black as, like I said, I have not been inside in over a year. I'm sticking to my story though that it was amazing in 01 through the mid of 02.

I agree completely regarding your comments on the median being higher, the price is as well. I know the differance between triangle pricing and Recoletta pricing isnt that huge of a deal for you as well as a lot of others. I figure if your having a good time and the kids aint going hungry your doing something right no?

PD regarding the blonde nurse, is it every appropriate to take the anal temp of the nurse? I guess what Im asking is, when do the sick get to play?

[QUOTE=Hunt99]Third, the inevitable wearing-off of the first shock one gets when visiting Buenos Aires when you return for multiple trips. If you read this board's archives, you will see posters saying things have been going steadily downhill since the 1990s. New guys tend to come on the board, and say [b]WOW![/b] Experienced hands who hang around tend to say "Everything sucks, all the hotties have left for Europe."[/QUOTE]In 5 years I have not become accustomed to the incredibly high number of beautiful, sexy (but not trashy) chicas you see running around everywhere in this country. I am still shocked everyday. The novelty of having a huge market of reasonably priced whoares does wear off to a degree, at least in the case of this American.

I haven't noticed any great decline in the P4P talent during my time here. When I just moved here I used to do incall a lot and even then I would reject girls at the door. Then and now, finding a doable whoare here can take some legwork, even when you visit the "best" whoarehouses.

PS 100 chicas - where?

[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]. Regarding the blonde nurse, is it every appropriate to take the anal temp of the nurse? I guess what I'm asking is, when do the sick get to play?[/QUOTE]If you look closely, you'll see she's actually dressed as a Krispy Kreme girl, and while I can't say about her taking a little anal temp probing, Pennelope here as the angelic angel didn't mind at least role playing a nurse, probes included where ever it fit. She was Miss Playmate of the Month for March 2003 (Pennelope Jimenez). But like I said, complications galore. I'll take a Blacks or Madahos gal w/o the complications (again, not all as there are uglies for sure in both, but there's a decent number that's a good second-best in lieu of freaky PB bunnies)

I was using a crappy disposable digital at the time but the full size pics for a better look at the goods can be found here -
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[QUOTE=Moore]In 5 years I have not become accustomed to the incredibly high number of beautiful, sexy (but not trashy) chicas you see running around everywhere in this country. I am still shocked everyday. The novelty of having a huge market of reasonably priced whoares does wear off to a degree, at least in the case of this American.

I haven't noticed any great decline in the P4P talent during my time here. When I just moved here I used to do incall a lot and even then I would reject girls at the door. Then and now, finding a doable whoare here can take some legwork, even when you visit the "best" whoarehouses.

PS 100 chicas - where?[/QUOTE]You and I are in the minority when we say that we haven't seen any great decline in the P4P talent in Argentina. I read it so often, it makes me laugh. And for a while I believed it myself, before I realized it was just a situation with the outstanding first impressions giving way to familiarity.

Last time I was in Black, there were probably around 100 chicas. Hard to say, as it was wall-to-wall pussy. Maybe it was 80. It was fairly early, 11pm or so on a Thursday night, as memory serves.

Here's one from Saint dated 9/19/04

[quote]I also agree with you about the quality across the board. Not just in the Recoleta clubs but in all the clubs here in Buenos Aires. The quality has steadily gone down over the years. MANY girls have headed to Europe or Mexico City. [/QUOTE]Hysteromania said the same thing on 7/15/03:

[quote]Now going back to the talent drain of chicas in BA and less bang for the buck (he he) There are 2 sides of the argument to be understood about talent decline in BA. Like most opportunities, once a place gets exploited, things change. Talk to others about how things have changed in Bangkok, whereas you had more girls who would go long time and now girls ask for more money and prefer short time.

In BA, I think a lot of girls have moved on- either to new places (alot of Argentine girls working it now in Europe for instance) [/QUOTE]JustGotBack's comments on 5/26/03 sound familiar:

[quote]While I don't think the sky is falling. In my opinion, the quality has definitely gone down. I wouldn't cancel your trip to BA just yet. It's still a great place. I've been there once every couple of months for over a year. I still look forward to going back. For me it's the sum of the experience. I love the city itself and the people who live there. I've thought often about moving there for a year or two. But if you're here solely for the girls, I'd go elsewhere. To me, it's nothing really special anymore. [/QUOTE]Anyway, just a few quotes from one brief search of the archives. Plenty more where those came from. Truly, the Buenos Aires mongering scene has been going steadily downhill since the beginning of time. Or not.;)

[QUOTE=Mpexy]If you look closely, you'll see she's actually dressed as a Krispy Kreme girl, and while I can't say about her taking a little anal temp probing, Pennelope here as the angelic angel didn't mind at least role playing a nurse, probes included where ever it fit. [/QUOTE]In a way, this demonstrates what various men are attracted to. Some are looking for a Barbie doll, a plastic nurse, a role player, a Krispy Kreme girl(?), a Martian... I believe that this is why transvestites are in such high demand - they have the qualities that many guys seek.

Other guys, like me, are simply attracted to regular, natural, human women. I guess I'm a wierdo in that sense.

Some of the people on this forum seem to truly think that the girls here are the best-looking in the world. One guy even wrote: "they are better than in Praga"! I laughed quite a bit.

So, there you will stand corrected: girls are actually (a lot) more beautiful in eastern Europe, especially in Baltic or Slavic States. Just go to Moscow or Riga, you will drop your jaw to the ground, seeing the beauty of the (many) girls.

And in Eastern Europe, no girl older than 25 would dare work in a men's Club. We don't fuc**** pay for girls older than 24-25 in Russia, believe me.

Or if you did, you would loose the respect of your friends and neighbors, meaning you would also loose your car and personal belongings, soon enough.;) anyway.

This said, girls here in BA are often very pretty, OK. But, please, don't compare them to our stunning Russian girls;) not the same league here!

MarcoKool-

I live in the NYC sphere, and I can tell you that we have a plethora of Russian girls, they come over often through human traffickers and get work cleaning houses. Then, they get tired of getting paid $3 USD an hour for cleaning, and move on to becoming strippers. Just walk into any strip club in Atlantic City, NYC, or any place in between, and more than half the girls will be Russian, Czech, Slovak, or Polish. I know it is a matter of personal preference, but I find these women crass, unrefined, and generally "sin sal"- tasteless.

The best Argentine women are 10x more exotic, refined, high class, and sexy than those "dime a dozen" Eastern Europeans, IMO.

Suerte,

Dirk Diggler

[QUOTE=Dirk Diggler]The best Argentine women are 10x more exotic, refined, high class, and sexy than those "dime a dozen" Eastern Europeans, IMO.[/QUOTE]I agree. I have visited Prague and there are tons of beautiful girls there - except when you enter K5 (the Black of Prague) where you will find a freakshow of ladies (many well over the hill also). I nailed the only reasonably young/sexy girl there but she was crosseyed with buck teeth.

I have not visited Russia (difficult to get a visa, no?) but have known and seen several rusas. There are some pretty ones but mostly butt-ugly skanks. I dated one in the USA for a few months. I have never seen a Russian girl with a sexy body, nor have I seen one that was more refined than a grizzly bear. Ive seen many more attractive, sexy, elegant American girls thans Russians, and that sucks.

Moreover, the E European girls, especially Russians, seem quite cold, bitchy, and crude. I almost always avoid EE girls that are on the P4P menu because I dont want to deal with their attitide). Elegant, refined, or warm are not terms that apply to them. I lived in London and had a fair amount of exposure to these immigrants. I visited Budapest once and every female there seemed heinous. The girls from Czech Rep, Slovenia, Croatia seem to be more refined/elegant that the rest of the brutal cavewomen of EEurope (the latter 2 are right next to Italy which maybe explains why) I believe that Italy was the source of most immigrants to Argentina, also partially explaining the beauty and sensuality of the girls here.

Some guys rave about Thai girls, I strongly disagree. Russian (and most other EEuropean) girls, you can have them - just keep them far away from me.

I've actually spent more time in Eastern Europe than I have in Argentina. I would have to say that the women in each are have their own charms, and that they're not strictly comparable.

But is one intrinsically "better" than the other? No. If you put a gun to my head and made me choose, I would say that Russian women are better than Argentine women, and that Slovak women beat them both. But it's mainly a matter of personal taste.

Two other errors have slipped into this discussion.

First, judging a country's women by the knowledge of their whoares and strippers is pretty silly.

And second, judging a country's women by the quality of their cleaning women slaving away in a Brooklyn office building is equally dumb.

You have to go in country and meet the real women to be able to judge the differences. And once you do, I think the judgments become much more difficult.

Well, one thing is for sure, just enter any Men's Club in Russia, on Nevski Prospekt, or near Novi Arbat, and you're going to find real 8+ girls. Whereas here, if you get a 5+ girl, you're the luckiest Bs As monger!;)

Also, young women in Moscow are just about as refined and classy as women in Bs As. Of course, if you're talking about girls in Kharkhov, that's another story.

To end with, you're right about Croatia, it's indeed become an Italo-German stretch of land, very beautiful and over-expensive.

I went to Black not too long ago to check it out. I knew it was expensive, but I wanted to see what it was all about. I was talking to a chica and agreed to buy her a drink. She told the waitress what she wanted and the waitress brought it back and handed me a bill for 150 pesos. I paid and left shortly thereafter, I think I will stick to the triangle. Just curious if this is common or did the chica I was talking to screw me. Do they get commission or something?

[QUOTE=Billy 32]I went to Black not too long ago to check it out. I knew it was expensive, but I wanted to see what it was all about. I was talking to a chica and agreed to buy her a drink. She told the waitress what she wanted and the waitress brought it back and handed me a bill for 150 pesos. I paid and left shortly thereafter, I think I will stick to the triangle. Just curious if this is common or did the chica I was talking to screw me. Do they get commission or something?[/QUOTE]My response is RTFF

Well. Thanks Hunt. I have been reading TFF. Although I am new to this forum I am not brand new to BA mongering. You all have probably seen me out and I may have bumped into you before, I just keep a low profile and don't go out of my way to meet people. It was just this last trip that I found Alamo and this website. I usually go to Excedra, Hook, Cattos, Suipacha 921, couple of visits with Beatriz, and a few street chicas in between. I knew Black was expensive and I went with no intention of getting a girl there, just wanted to check it out. I met this girl I enjoyed talking to so I decided to buy her a drink, expecting 60-80 pesos, then see how it went from there. I was shocked by the 150 peso charge is all and wanted to see if anyone else had experienced this. But thanks for the reply anyway man.

Never experienced a 150p charge for a chica drink at Blacks. Are you quite sure you didn't perhaps order (2) chica drinks?

What kind of drink did they serve up to the gal you were talking with that presented a 150p bill to you?

Normally the drinks in there, depending on whether the girl orders (or you let her order technically) are 60-80 pesos; a soft drink for the chica will be 60, a local or national brand liquor drink 70, and a premium brand liquor 80+, but I've never heard of something so premium short of an entire champagne bottle that would bill you at 150p.

I'll ask to see the menu that they have to show by law next time I'm in there, and see if there is anything listed for 150 or some other price similar to that.

I am not sure what kind of drink it was. It kind of looked like a mimosa or a tequila sunrise. Just a small drink, I was completely blown away. I guess I should have been more forceful and asked to see the price list. I was just out of my element and thought it might be par for the course with all I had heard about Black. I know what to expect at some of the other places and it wouldn't happen there, if I ever go back to Black I will take along someone who knows their way around.

I am new to this forum, but being in BA this week I am very appreciative of all of the information. I was in Black last night with a friend and picked up a great girl there. I could not pronounce her name but I called her Lola. She was 19/20 brown long hair, brown eyes and very cute and "innocent".

I think we messed up on the whole inexpensive aspect as we sat in a booth against the window and smoked a nice Cigar and had a few drinks. We also looked as if we had money (watches, clothes...)

I was expecting some of the dollar ranges that I had heard (being optomistic) and she came back with 400. Very worth it so I said yes. She was very affectionate, kissing, holding hand and hugging and then we got to the hotel room. She then proceeded to tell me 400 US$ not pesos (rookie mistake there) Luckily I did not have that much cash with me at that time (I probably would have paid it given how much I drank) so I got off for 250 US$.

Is Black just really expensive or did I get taken? I know it is hard to know one way or the other, but I just do not feel like spending 400 US$ all the time while I am here.

[blue]Hi DavidMarlow,

Sounds like a pretty typical Black experience to me: You know when you walk in the door that it's going to turn out this way.

One word of advice, which would apply when negotiating with chicas in any situation in Buenos Aires: Always make it clear in the beginning, and definitely before you leave the club, that you are talking in pesos, not dollars. Any chica that insists on negotiating in dollars should be avoided, period.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

I'd say you got fleeced raw. Paying US$400 here would be somewhat like paying US$10,000 for an average escort in Dallas (or $12,000 if the Dallas escort unexplainably told you she charges in Euros).

What I don't understand is why you would have paid it, already being in your hotel. Whats she going to do, refuse your pesos 400 and walk back to Black? Read below and you'll see that many guys pay pesos 300 there. I would have paid her 410 pesos at the hotel (10 tip for the hilarious joke about USD).

What else would 400 mean? Japanese Yen? Venezuelan Bolivars? Ounces of gold? Why should anyone assume that you're carrying anything but the national currency?

You'll learn quickly here, no worries. I'd suggest reading a bit more. When you see that girls (some good ones) working at SF1707 make 70 pesos for a session (they only get 60% of that) how could a whoare here, any whoare, be charging 30 TIMES that!

I certainly dont abdicate being a penny pincher down here. Part of the fun is not worrying about money. But paying US prices for whoares every night can get damn expensive - beef and whoares are abundant and cheap in Argentina.

I am back in sex prison for a couple of more weeks. I have not been home (Florida) for a year and cannot help but notice the high prices here for everything.

I do not think I will complain about inflation in BA when I get back but I do want to make a point.

There are thousands of messages on this board about the going rate for chicas and yet guys continue to overpay. Recently, one guy was even going to show me and others what top quality 200 dollar and hour chicas were like. After I met them I was not impressed.

I have pulled better out of Excedra and Cutty Sark for 125 pesos!

So here is my message to all those fucking idiots who do not seem to understand the system in BA.

STOP PAYING DOLLARS! YOU ARE RUINING IT FOR THE REST OF US WHO EITHER LIVE IN BA OR SPEND ALOT OF TIME THERE. YOUR INNOCENT LITTLE TRIPS AND "I ONLY DID IT ONCE" STORIES ARE FUELING INFLATION AND GIVING THESE GIRLS THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE WORTH HUNDREDS PER HOUR. THEY ARE NOT WORTH IT. THEY DO KNOW THAT A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON DEPARTED.

If you are not sure about the scene stop in to the Alamo, PM some senior members or just RTFF and all wil be okay.

Get with the program or go to your local strip club and overpay for a lap dance.

[blue]Hi Thomas,

I just returned from a month in Florida, and I the same reaction: $15-$20 for a steak in the grocery store, $2.50 per gallon for gas, etc.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Inflation in the USA interests me, I have spent little time there in the last 5 years. Sure I know about real estate prices and gas from the news, but I'm basically out of touch with daily costs there.

Does Florida count as "USA"?;) Many places I go in South Texas don't IMO.

Perhaps a new thread on this topic would be useful for US expats in Argentina.

Relating to DavidMarlow's story, I pulled a girl from Excedra the other night. Got back to my hotel room and she insisted on being paid first. I argued for despues but no go, so what the hell, pulled out 150P and gave it to her. She then said no, not Pesos I want Dollars. So I pulled the 150P back gave her 5P for taxi and said Ciao. Amazingly, she immediately switched back and 150 Pesos became okay again. Nice how that works, I guess it was the drunk gringo test.

[QUOTE=Moore]Inflation in the USA interests me, I have spent little time there in the last 5 years. Sure I know about real estate prices and gas from the news, but I'm basically out of touch with daily costs there.

Does Florida count as "USA"?;) Many places I go in South Texas don't IMO.

Perhaps a new thread on this topic would be useful for US expats in Argentina.[/QUOTE]I'm afraid $2.50 a gallon gas is here to stay (worse in the inner cities and California. But just as always, the suburbs are less expensive. Parking in downtown Chicago costs $250 per month, but a car is a luxury in the city. On the other hand, I've seen real estate rise to unreal levels. $350K will buy a condo in Chicago or a modest house in St George Utah (1 hour from Vegas) What else would you like to know about? I've lived in Nashville TN, middle Conn. And now the Chicago burbs.

Way to go Billy! By the way, negotiate the payment schedule while at the cafe or club, so there are no surprises. How was the service?

Hey Thomaso,

How's it going. I did what I always do and I negotiated my price before leaving. I even negotiated for more than one hour. I think once she got back to the hotel she wanted to pull a fast one. I am wondering when the LCN is going to kick in with me and they will stop with the silly games. I have been with about 30 women here and never fall for the dollar trick. Anyway, the service was alright. She did not seem to be too experienced but that was a plus for me. She didn't take charge or get too into it, she was kinda shy. However she was tight and if I got to enthusiastic it hurt her, so I had to take it slow. A nice change from some I have been getting. Can't remember her name, I will have to go to Excedra again and find her.

There's been some discussion recently here regarding Black's pricing - my own personal observation and opinion is that the standard pricing for Blacks at $200 US or $600 Pesos is the norm. This pricing is for the standard 1hr to 90min session that most girls do, although there is a LOT of YMMV on this. I've pulled a girl out of blacks about a dozen times over the last 3 plus months I've been in BA and it's ranged anywhere from 90 min on the shortest time side to all night sessions with the girl leaving very late morning or afternoon hour the next day on the long side) Cost side has sometimes been a bit under 600p, and sometimes a bit over.

If you're paying over that, unless you're negotiating for a specific longer session scenario, then yes I'd say you're paying more than the 'norm'. If not, just like at any established place, you're paying the expected range.

I pulled a girl out of here last Sunday - my range is pretty broad in terms of trying different girls from different places, but that night I was in the mood for a Madahos or Blacks pull and since I'd been haunting Madahos a bit more than usual lately I went to Blacks. Same standard 30p entry / first drink, and given it was a Sunday, the lineup was still fairly decent.

There's been some other discussions on quality of girls at Blacks - I'm not going to argue it in this posting. Suffice it to say that in the only time period that I can speak to - the past 3 months or so I've been living in BA - the quality level has flucutations but I've found no other pool of consistent good looking working girls better than here or at Madahos. Truthfully, my opinion is that the level is the same between Blacks and Madahos - and it's not one you can gauge with just one or a few visits. I've been to both places when I didnt' see a girl I would take on some nights - but varying for time of night, day of the week, and fluctuations through the month, on average it's usually pretty good - with a few I'd never take and wonder how the heck they managed to get to work there, the majority in the middle that are all ok but nothing to get excited about, a few good to very good looking (both face and body) and a few quite excellent specimens of the natural and augmented female specimen.

I base my tastes on growing up and living in California. I have no weird fetishes on body weight, proportions, etc. And I believe that while I'm personally fairly picky and selective, my 1-10 scale is pretty on par with most standard American males. While none of these Blacks girls rates a 10 on my own personal scale (10 being say your Playboy centerfold, 9 being your average Playboy bunny, 5 being the homely girl with the extra 20-25 lbs we've all seen in college and thought we'd never do but did during some drunken frat party, and 1 being the fattest, most disgusting female I've ever seen) there are on any average given nights at least 1-2 girls that rate a 9 if you don't mind paying the extra fee the dancers rate and ask for, and a decent half dozen or more in the 7-8 category.

My review is on a girl I've seen three times before, name withheld but I consider her pretty standard for the 8 scale girls I've pulled out of there. There's no negotiations anymore since she knows me but like most of the Blacks girls, when I first pulled her out she opened with the $200 US or $600 peso price. I always go for either TLN or long sessions (3 or more hours) so I paid initially 750p which eventually just settled into 600p regardless of the length of time I'm with her, as one would expect with a girl you repeat a number of times with. She stayed a complete TLN with sleep over lasting around 9hrs.

Like about half the girls at Blacks, she'll turn and just walk away if you even attempt to roll your eyes or claim no one is worth the quoted price. Like any transaction based on economics, she gets away with walking because more times than not, she's right. There's no need for her to go with me or some other guy at less than $600pesos that night as more times than not, she'll get the $600p or more and not go home empty. Sure, she's wrong sometimes but for her and about half the girls at Blacks, it's a purely no-brainer money in the bank decision to just not waste time with you bargaining.



The other half does seem to allow some bargaining down, or opens with a slightly lower price - sometimes quoted in US dollars but usually is either 400 or more like 500pesos. Depends again on supply / demand that night but from my own perspective, it's usually the girls I wouldn't go with anyways that comes down from the standard pricing of roughly $200 US. None of the girls I've seen and talked to that on my own scale rate a 8 or above comes off the $200 US / 600peso price, and personally while I think there's some wiggle room on some select nights when it is slower, I personally don't choose to do so for the relatively small cost savings.

Session was quite good - multiple pops and the bj was bbbj but it sort of evolved to that after she had seen me twice. As a norm, I've found that Blacks (and Madahos) girls are much less likely to do bbbj on the first session, but that ALL girls I've been with does after two or more repeats with them (at least for me) This is distinctly different than some other clubs I've been to, such as the Triangle ones of Cattos and Hooks where one can expect it to be the other way around - that most of those girls do bbbj from the start as the norm and it's the ones that don't that are the exceptions.

Drinks have been the subject of price discussions as well, but again, so far in my visits I've never been ripped off and depending on what the girl ordered, the price has been either $60 to 80 pesos.

I've never taken a non-radio taxi from the place so I can't speak to any scam ride reports. But I'd say that anyone who takes a non-radio taxi pretty much brought it on themselves and should blame themselves and not the club.

Great report, Mpexy. The only thing that I can add to your wise commentary is that I have been able to negotiate chicas down from 200USD (to 200 pesos, plus a generous tip afterwards). At least I did on my last trip. Customers were somewhat scarce on that visit, if memory serves. I shall give an update sometime in the next couple of weeks.

[QUOTE=Mpexy]There's been some discussion recently here regarding Black's pricing - my own personal observation and opinion is that the standard pricing for Blacks at $200 US or $600 Pesos is the norm. This pricing is for the standard 1hr to 90min session that most girls do, although there is a LOT of YMMV on this. I've pulled a girl out of blacks about a dozen times over the last 3 plus months I've been in BA and it's ranged anywhere from 90 min on the shortest time side to all night sessions with the girl leaving very late morning or afternoon hour the next day on the long side) Cost side has sometimes been a bit under 600p, and sometimes a bit over.

If you're paying over that, unless you're negotiating for a specific longer session scenario, then yes I'd say you're paying more than the 'norm'. If not, just like at any established place, you're paying the expected range.

I pulled a girl out of here last Sunday - my range is pretty broad in terms of trying different girls from different places, but that night I was in the mood for a Madahos or Blacks pull and since I'd been haunting Madahos a bit more than usual lately I went to Blacks. Same standard 30p entry / first drink, and given it was a Sunday, the lineup was still fairly decent.

There's been some other discussions on quality of girls at Blacks - I'm not going to argue it in this posting. Suffice it to say that in the only time period that I can speak to - the past 3 months or so I've been living in BA - the quality level has flucutations but I've found no other pool of consistent good looking working girls better than here or at Madahos. Truthfully, my opinion is that the level is the same between Blacks and Madahos - and it's not one you can gauge with just one or a few visits. I've been to both places when I didnt' see a girl I would take on some nights - but varying for time of night, day of the week, and fluctuations through the month, on average it's usually pretty good - with a few I'd never take and wonder how the heck they managed to get to work there, the majority in the middle that are all ok but nothing to get excited about, a few good to very good looking (both face and body) and a few quite excellent specimens of the natural and augmented female specimen.

I base my tastes on growing up and living in California. I have no weird fetishes on body weight, proportions, etc. And I believe that while I'm personally fairly picky and selective, my 1-10 scale is pretty on par with most standard American males. While none of these Blacks girls rates a 10 on my own personal scale (10 being say your Playboy centerfold, 9 being your average Playboy bunny, 5 being the homely girl with the extra 20-25 lbs we've all seen in college and thought we'd never do but did during some drunken frat party, and 1 being the fattest, most disgusting female I've ever seen) there are on any average given nights at least 1-2 girls that rate a 9 if you don't mind paying the extra fee the dancers rate and ask for, and a decent half dozen or more in the 7-8 category.

My review is on a girl I've seen three times before, name withheld but I consider her pretty standard for the 8 scale girls I've pulled out of there. There's no negotiations anymore since she knows me but like most of the Blacks girls, when I first pulled her out she opened with the $200 US or $600 peso price. I always go for either TLN or long sessions (3 or more hours) so I paid initially 750p which eventually just settled into 600p regardless of the length of time I'm with her, as one would expect with a girl you repeat a number of times with. She stayed a complete TLN with sleep over lasting around 9hrs.

Like about half the girls at Blacks, she'll turn and just walk away if you even attempt to roll your eyes or claim no one is worth the quoted price. Like any transaction based on economics, she gets away with walking because more times than not, she's right. There's no need for her to go with me or some other guy at less than $600pesos that night as more times than not, she'll get the $600p or more and not go home empty. Sure, she's wrong sometimes but for her and about half the girls at Blacks, it's a purely no-brainer money in the bank decision to just not waste time with you bargaining.

The other half does seem to allow some bargaining down, or opens with a slightly lower price - sometimes quoted in US dollars but usually is either 400 or more like 500pesos. Depends again on supply / demand that night but from my own perspective, it's usually the girls I wouldn't go with anyways that comes down from the standard pricing of roughly $200 US. None of the girls I've seen and talked to that on my own scale rate a 8 or above comes off the $200 US / 600peso price, and personally while I think there's some wiggle room on some select nights when it is slower, I personally don't choose to do so for the relatively small cost savings.

Session was quite good - multiple pops and the bj was bbbj but it sort of evolved to that after she had seen me twice. As a norm, I've found that Blacks (and Madahos) girls are much less likely to do bbbj on the first session, but that ALL girls I've been with does after two or more repeats with them (at least for me) This is distinctly different than some other clubs I've been to, such as the Triangle ones of Cattos and Hooks where one can expect it to be the other way around - that most of those girls do bbbj from the start as the norm and it's the ones that don't that are the exceptions.

Drinks have been the subject of price discussions as well, but again, so far in my visits I've never been ripped off and depending on what the girl ordered, the price has been either $60 to 80 pesos.

I've never taken a non-radio taxi from the place so I can't speak to any scam ride reports. But I'd say that anyone who takes a non-radio taxi pretty much brought it on themselves and should blame themselves and not the club.[/QUOTE]Is danny still the manager at Black?

So Mplexy is taking them from Blacks at 600 p. And Hunt99 has taken them for 200 p. (although at a different time) This is quite a difference. I certainly don't know Blacks, but at Madahos the price is 300 p. Although some will go for an hour for 200. I think Mplexy is to be commended for reporting his real experience, though most here will think it an insane use of money.

[QUOTE=Stormy]So Mplexy is taking them from Blacks at 600 p. And Hunt99 has taken them for 200 p. (although at a different time) This is quite a difference. I certainly don't know Blacks, but at Madahos the price is 300 p. Although some will go for an hour for 200. I think Mplexy is to be commended for reporting his real experience, though most here will think it an insane use of money.[/QUOTE]To reiterate what I thought was a key point of my post - a number of the girls, what seems like half in my experience up to this point, and especially those I personally rate as an 8 or above on my scale will not really move down from the 600p level. So that's what I pay, or a bit more, depending on number of total hours I want them for. Although I generally pay just the base rate or a little more and then just count on the repeat sessions factor to greatly stretch out my time.

The other half or so as I said does open with a lower price, typically 400-500p as while I'm at the bar I've heard a number of conversations between these girls and other customers or guys I've gone in there with, and does seem to be able to be bargained down from that as well, just that I've chosen not to do so or pull these girls that I rate below a 8 on my scale.

This was my first time to BA. I have read many of the posts and there was so much conflicting information, it was difficult to decide what was best for me to try. I walked from the Hilton to a number of the places, I walked by Jaz and all of the joints around there and nothing jumped out other than all the guys with cards. I finally decided to head to Blacks. I paid the 35p at the door and asked if that included first drink which it did.

Overall, I thought the girls averaged about a 7. I only saw one or two girls that made me say woof. There were a number (10+) of girls I would call 8 or above. I would say the quality was very high. I did not find the girls pushy: they try to make eye contact but if you smile and look away, they leave you alone. I had a few beers, watched the scene and left alone so I can not comment on pricing or the process. But, coming from the US, I dropped about $35 and watched a large number of beautiful women mill around and a few dance and put on a show. This is the equal of the cover charge at Scores in NYC. Overall, I was happy with the experience and the place.

Again, this is just my opinion as a first time visitor.

My guess is that mpexy is only pulling out the knockouts. I never even bother with them. My first trip I pulled out one of them and the sex was sub standard. This girl is so hot that shes definitely not interested in sex with me, it has to be fake. I like pulling out the lower 50% in Blacks because at least they will appreciate the attention that they're getting. They can be had for 4, 500 pesos or less I bet if you're a regular customer like Hunt99 seems to be. If you establish some connection with any girl, I think they will usually go lower.

[QUOTE=Marak5]I like pulling out the lower 50% in Blacks because at least they will appreciate the attention that they're getting. They can be had for 4, 500 pesos or less I bet if you're a regular customer like Hunt99 seems to be.[/QUOTE]I don't get the idea.

Why pulling out the lower 50% of Black girls for ARS 400-500 when you can pull the high end of other boliches for ARS 150-200?

Girls at Black are usually a couple of notches above the average, but if speaking about the lower 50% , they cannot be much prettier than the best ones at Cattos or Cocodrilo.

Andres

I like to pick from that group also. I look for the rock bottom 3% though. I usually can bag one for around 200 U.S. for 90 minutes.

Starfe