Hella's Was a Total Rip-Off
[QUOTE=Vitrea;441856]Thank you. Sounds like it. I have not been there but will check it out this coming week.[/QUOTE]Notoriously Infamous Rip-Off Bar !
A Tiger can't change it's stripes !
Has always been on the "Avoid" list but maybe they have changed their Argie Business Model .
Monger Beware ,
TL.
The city government's campaign against boliches
It's basically over for the chica bar business model that has been in place for at least the entire ten years I have been in Buenos Aires. The GCBA has decided the business model is illegal and has made a concerted effort to go after these places until they are no longer able to operate. The "business model" I am referring to is the practice of charging price-diferenciated "chica drinks", exercising control / schedules, providing lockers, etc etc. What is left are places like Newport and Cocodrilo which are essentially freelancers (Cocodrilo not longer charges price differentiated drinks for chicas, no chica drink / exit fees, etc) that the establishment has no control over and no liability over any negotiations that may or may not take place on their premises. The advent of technology (smart phones, high speed internet, cross referencing information on-line in real time) and the rise of anti prostitution and anti nightclub NGO's (Alameda and the Cromagnon victim's relatives group) have made it progressively more difficult for all genres of nightlife to operate outside the GCBA's rules and regulations.
Where do you think they will go
[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;443684]We should be careful what we wish for because
Although we don't like it When every bar and club is out of business because they can not pay rent and stay open the time will come when Guys will long to be able to pay for a Chica drink.
When the Only options will be the old hags at X and the Privado Sperm Banks guys will be thrilled to spend 250 p for a Chicas drink.
Can a Chica Bar make enough money to stay in Biz by charging the same amount for the girl's drinks as for the male's?
I think so. NP does. 977 Marcelo T. Does.
Nobody will bother Hook because there are no wealthy or influential neighbors in it's vicinity.
Hookers in Palermo sounds like it may work too.
Time will tell.
TL.[/QUOTE]And where do you think they will go? When Hook closes will all of those chicks live on their investments?
Why do you constantly insist that all privados are sperm banks with the exception of those two older chicks you always endorse? There is a ton of anecdotal evidence on this forum that disproves that thesis. Why just last week I fucked a chick that used to work at Black and now works as an indy for 800 pesos.
The closing of the clubs that count on being able to overcharge the uninformed monger as their business model are coming to a close. The only people that will lose from that are club owners charging 800 pesos for a chica drink, chicas that think 300 dollars is a good price for 40 minutes of work, and people that parasitically live off of that business model. It's incredible fucking news for guys who are trying to get their dicks sucked. Look for a rise in clubs like NP and 977 Marcelo T.
Clubs and Boliches - General Info
I've been mongering in BA for 3 months now and I agree in general with most of the posts about General Info.
The really "elite" clubs - Sodoma, Madaos, Blacks, etc where the girls charge 2,000 pesos and up and there is a considerable chica drink fine and entrance are gone and I.
Think that is a good thing. Many of those same girls are not working in the smaller boliches and for less. D'liriao seems the only club in that category that is left.
Newport was never my cup of tea and it still has girls that are mostly past their prime, some way past their prime, like grandmothers.
That leaves Estilo Nuevo that is allot of fun with it's American style strip club but it's a bit far to go - about 100 pesos by taxi from where I am staying in Retiro.
And the two remaining Triangle Clubs (Cattos is no more) Hook and Ness. Ness is a bore, with the same tiresome girls every night dancing to Salsa but I really like Hooks. I'm there almost every night - I’m a sex addict - and have spent a ton of money on drinks and 15 different girls I have pulled out. Of the 15 about 12 were GFE, with the other 3 just OK service.
Hook has some real stunners, 8's and even a few 10's. I'm not Brad Pitt but I do speak Spanish reasonably well and have done OK with the prices. A few girls won't leave for less than 2,000 pesos but my God they are worth every peso but usually I make an offer of 1,200 pesos for an hour and they accept. Some of the girls who want 2,000 aren't any better than the girls who will settle for 1,200 (100 dollar rate) or 1,500 ($125). The chica drink price is 250 pesos although a few piss me off by asking for champagne and such, which is an extra 50 pesos. If they do that I walk.
The waiters hustle you as soon as you sit down with a girl but that's their job and you can alway tell them to leave you alone until you make or not make a deal with the girl and they back off.. Otherwise it's a great club to monger. The beers are relatively cheap if you stick with Quilmes , 150 pesos and there is no entrance fee and the dancers.
Are amusing, showing off their assets on top of the bar.
Almost all the patrons are Argentine and most come in groups and leave without doing any business, so if you you are a foreigner and come alone the girls see you as a serious monger and some will approach you with that in mind. Most of the foreigners are Chinese that live in BA and they seem to be real players, with money to spend and prime client material for the girls.
PS.
There are a few other boliches near the triangle such as one on T. Marcello Alvear a and Sens but they just don’t compare to Hook.
Have you ever been turned down by a girl in a boliche ?
I Have. Twice.
And this is strange because the girls are there for one primary reason - to make money. Often they are single mothers living day to day or in one case ditching there 6,000 peso a month job in a Kiosco to make some quick money to travel. And looks have nothing to do with it. There is an expression in Spanish that translates that the wallet trumps the playboy.
So why was I turned down twice but two different girls, both first rate I may add.
In some cases potential clients are refused because a client mistreats a girl in some way and word gets around that he is a "grossero" and he is black listed but that't not my situation.
It could be the girl is not feeling well or having her period but in my case I also I think it's something else, as the same girls left with all sorts of clients afterwards - old, young, slim, obese, ugly, handsome, locals, foreigners, even a few that were obviously drunk.
N both cases when the girl refused to leave with me I had a previous exchange where the girl quoted me a price higher than I was prepared to pay and I walked away. The next day I approached the same girl and offered to pay double what she offered previously and she still refused to leave with me.
I think the girls have a certain pride and and if you don't agree to their initial price you will never be considered a client. It's not good business sense but it's the way they are thinking and nothing can make them change their minds. In only case when a girl wanted a higher price than I prepared to pay and I went back to her later with my lower offer has a girl backed down and left with me.
Just as the clients have their price the girls have their price also and don't expect them to budge from it. It seldom happens.
Have you been refused service? Curious to get your opinion why?
Turned down by a girl in boliche
I do not think it is all that unusual. It has happened to me at Hook, Black and if you are old enough to remember Help Disco in Rio and Bahamas in Sao Paulo.
Usually it is with a super hot girl. Let's face it the super hot girls make their money and have several clients willing to pay. If they quote you a high price I think they are fishing because they know they have a regular coming in or can get someone else fairly easily or they really are not attracted to you. I learned this lesson back in Black with a girl who looked like Jennifer Love Hewitt to me. 5 minutes after we could not come to a deal there was another guy talking to her. Same thing in Hook, girl quoted me twice the price and I said no. Five minutes later she was walking out with another guy.
One thing is that I never dress my net worth when I travel or even where I live in the United States. I buy all my clothes off the rack or now in catalogs. I never carry a credit card into a club and only have limited funds available.
I never throw a party. Some guys walk in and buy the bucket of champagne. Some of these chicas are party girls and like (are addicted to) the fast lane life.
Sometimes it helps to go on a slow night to meet the more popular or better looking girls. I met my current favorite at Hook on a slow Saturday night when there was maybe 3 other guys in the club. These days if I am there she almost automatically goes with me. I get an occasional e-mail from her. She told me that she has one other regular. Sometimes when I am in town she misses a night. It is always an excuse that the child is sick or the bus broke down but I think she is seeing that other guy.
I am definitely not the boliche expert but I have been to a few and these have been my experiences. To sum it up, I think sometimes the chicas quote high prices because they are not that interested in you and they have other options. If you are coming off as a high roller and are getting turned down that would surprise me.
Pampita aka Nuevo Estillo (sp) near the restaurant Sucre
Gentlemen: the Wednesday night prowl began at Pampita. The entry fee was $180 pesos which included a free drink. I think the place has been remodeled a little since I was last there in 2012. It looks like they laid a new floor and build a new little stage. I arrived at about 11:30 with 3 friends from the US and there were about a dozen or more young women there at that time. About half were 7 to 8 in looks and appearance. But, the most outstanding thing about their appearance was that most of the young women decided that they wanted "D" cups regardless of their body type. For the most part I found that the majority of the young women had good to very good figures, which was a real plus. When we arrived there was a little striptease taking place which later progressed to a girl or girl act and both of the ladies had a great ass.
We had Fernet as our free drink and a beer back. My friend paid for the beer so I do not know the price. The girls do not approach you unless you make the first move. So the place is relatively hassel free. We took a seat near the stage to watch the little side show and to get a better look at the ladies who lined up against the wall at the back of the restaurant and along the bar facing the stage. While at the table my friend called over an attactive 25 y/o with a beautiful set of "D's" and a great tan. She was a very pleasant playful young woman with a very nice body. Whoever did the boob job did a great job because they looked real. My friend took the young lady out for a smoke and returned with her number and a price for outcall. You cannot take a young woman for outcall to your hotel from Pampita. All services must be at the telo adjacent to the club. The young lady quoted $1500 pesos plus the telo which i think was $300 pesos for an hour. The pricing was club pricing and my friend did not share the outcall price, but he was definitely going to take advantage of this pretty young thing. I am sure the pricing was close to $1500 pesos because the young lady lived about an hour outside of the club and two hours from the Recoleta.
All in all a pleasant experience at Pampita and if you are going to dinner at Sucre it is a must stopover. Another note, at 1 am you can get a return cab fairly easy, but I am not sure if the cabs are as frequent later in the early morning.
