Buenos Aires - 2002 Reports

eze_go,

you must have read someone else's posts - i've never tried the stuff. but from what i've read here and elsewhere, i wouldn't try anything but the pfizer stuff, especially something made by a company i don't know...

Hey guys. Nothing for nothing but Merck is NOT the maker of Viagra. Pfizer is the maker of Viagra. As I posted before. It's best to stick to the real deal.

Hello,

I asked this question on the Brazil/Rio forum also but it goes for BA as well.

Is it possible to arrange for a "Girlfriend" for a long weekend?

I know you think I am crazy but...

I want one girl for a long weekend. Dinner, Dance, Sightsee, shop, plus the good stuff. She would have to be ready for anything. Any idea what this would cost??

Are there guides that can set this up for me?

Thanks in advance, from a rookie to the international scene

Gentlemen,

Please refer to my post: WSG Forum > South America > Argentina > General Info page 2, dated 10-08-02 and also 10-09-02 regarding vitamin-V.

I'm not being flippant, but its important to get it right…

Regards,

Havanaman

Saint,

Please email me, I have a message from Hobby Fan for you. He is currently in BA and emailed me with some information to be given to you.

Regards,

Havanaman

sedition2001@hotmail.com

Oh! I remember now it was old_guy who posted abour Bilfort 50

I read the gneral info and I heard of the same thing happening with the real viagra! It happened with a friend of mine. He and a chick took a half tab each and he said it was a scarey because he stayed hard for hours and was ready to go to the doctor and I heard of others having to actually go to the doctor.

Gentlemen,

Lets take this thread to the BA General Information board…. I've had my wrists slapped here going off topic in the past….

More, "hard", information is posted there…

Regards, Havanaman

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Matt1800
[i]Hello,

I asked this question on the Brazil/Rio forum also but it goes for BA as well.

Is it possible to arrange for a "Girlfriend" for a long weekend?

I know you think I am crazy but...

I want one girl for a long weekend. Dinner, Dance, Sightsee, shop, plus the good stuff. She would have to be ready for anything. Any idea what this would cost??

Are there guides that can set this up for me?

Thanks in advance, from a rookie to the international scene [/i][/QUOTE]

No, you're not crazy. This is a common thing. Why go through a middleman? Utilize www.escortsbaires.com and approach one or more of the girls by phone, email, etc... and arrange the details with them. A lot of the advertisers are available for longer appointments. In fact, some of them would probably welcome such an appointment, in contrast with the quick one-hour appointments they usually get.

-Otto

I have a BIG question. Did prices come down in BA so much that you can pick a girl for $50-100(170-350 peso) I have read some posts and got and impression that girls even at Black asking for 100 buck for all nighter. Is it true? Girls from internet agencyes ask for 200 pesos and up to 300 for all night??? That is very cheap for BA.

Can someone answer my questions regarding prices?
What are the prices there?
What are the asking price in Black?

[blue]Editor's Note:

Please don't view this from your perspective as an American with dollars. Since the devaluation, the prices in Argentina have NOT gone down. In Pesos, the prices are the same as they've been for several years. The pesos that the girls earn still buy them the same amount of groceries at the supermarket, still pay for the same rent and utilities, and still pay for the same taxi ride. The only difference is that your dollar, when converted, buys you more pesos.

Consider this: The value of currencies moves up and down against each other all the time, yet for those of us earning a living and paying our bills in the US, the value of those dollars against the Yen or the Euro is generally irrelevant. Does it have any effect on our mortgage payment or the price of groceries? No. In addition, if the Dollar was to fall in value to the Euro, would we start charging European tourists more dollars than Americans to stay in our hotels or to visit Disney World? No, and in fact we would consider it to be dishonest behavior.

The fact is that the Argentinean Peso has been grossly overvalued against the dollar for several years, having been artificially propped up by the Argentinean government using internationally borrowed funds. Now that the IMF and World Bank lending windows are closed, the peso has returned to its true value against the world's other currencies. If you feel the need to assuage your conscience, just think of it in these terms: Argentineans have been overcharging foreigners for years, and now things have finally returned to a state of equilibrium.

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mohctep
[i]I have a BIG question.
Did prices come down in BA so much that you can pick a girl for $50-100(170-350peso)
[/i][/QUOTE]

Yes. This is the BIG question.

Does the devaluation mean that you are actually paying a half or even less in dollars than you would have pre-december 2001 for the same service?

Particularly interested in hearing from hobbyists who have been there pre and post the devaluation.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jamesbond69
[i]Yes. This is the BIG question.

Does the devaluation mean that you are actually paying a half or even less in dollars than you would have pre-december 2001 for the same service?

Particularly interested in hearing from hobbyists who have been there pre and post the devaluation. [/i][/QUOTE]

Before the devaluation, short time was about 150-200 Pesos or Dollars, as they were the same. Now it is 150-300 pesos depending on the length of time or all night, and the cost in U.S. Dollars is 41-82 dollars. A good deal for both sides.

[blue]Editor's Note:

300 pesos would be an acceptable price for an all-night stay that included sex the next morning.

Anyone paying 300 pesos for a short-time session is:

A. Paying three times the going rate paid by locals.
B. Paying twice the standard rate paid by foreigners.
C. Immediately losing the chica's respect.
D. Embarassing himself.
E. Throwing his money away.
F. Unduly pissing off the local men.
G. Making things more difficult for his fellow traveler.

See above.

Jackson[/blue]

[red][b]Because the subject of prices and practices continues to appear in the forum, and because there is apparently a lot of mis-information on the subject, it appears that I'm going to need to continuously re-post these guidelines.[/b][/red]

[u]Prices in Buenos Aires[/u]
1. The standard rate paid by locals is [red]50[/red] to [red]100[/red] pesos.
2. The standard rate paid by foreigners is [red]150[/red] pesos.
3. The top rate to be paid by anyone is [red]200[/red] pesos.
4. Anyone paying more than 200 pesos is being taken.

[blue]Greetings everyone,

While I rarely have time to enter my own personal travel information after answering email and policing the forum every day, the recent postings herein regarding the prices being asked and paid by fellow travelers to Buenos Aires have compelled me to provide some guidelines on the subject.

I have been traveling to Argentina for several years now, including four trips this year and my current month-long stay. I am intimately familiar with the scene here, including all the clubs and venues mentioned and several others that seem to have escaped the attention of the other posters. I've have several friends here, as well as a number of personal relationships with my favorite girls in most of the clubs and bars. I've also had the opportunity to see first hand the effects of the country's recent economic problems on the attitudes of the people and the chicas.

There are just a few rules to follow when hobbying in Buenos Aires, and if you follow them your experiences will be greatly enhanced.

1. The current acceptable price for a session in your hotel with a chica from any of the night clubs and bars EXCEPT BLACKS (see below) is 150 pesos. This number has held firm for several years, although there is some recent upwards price pressure, and I have been asked for 170 to 180 pesos recently. However, 150 pesos is the price that the vast majority of chicas will accept if you are firm.

2. If you do not want to bargain, you can simply offer them 200 pesos, which should be the price that makes the vast majority of them immediately pleased without further discussion. In the past weeks I've paid 200 pesos to several girls, especially if I knew them and I knew that they would provide good service.

3. Any chica that quotes you anything over 200 pesos, including these 250 peso or even the 300 dollar prices described herein, has sized you up as an idiot American tourist and is in fact insulting you with that offer. On those rare occasions in recent weeks where I was quoted such a price, my reaction is smile quietly and tell the chica to shove off.

4. It's important to know the correct price and to negociate. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The idea behind negotiating is not to get the chica down to the lowest price, the idea is to pay a fair price. In addition, when understanding the Latina mind set, they will respect you if you are firm. Chalk it up to their culture's sense of macho. If you roll over at the first over-priced offer, they will have no respect for you, an attitude that will manifest itself in the quality of your session.

5. Lately, the girls have developed an annoying habit of asking to be paid in advance, many times waiting until they're half undressed and I've got my pants around my ankles. This is a recent development, and I talked with several friends of mine in the business about it. Apparently there has been a trend lately of Argentine men who are claiming poverty at the end of the session. Okay, that's unfortunate, but what's that got to do with me? I'm assuming that my fellow Americans who are visiting Argentina are behaving like gentlemen, and thus wouldn't even consided such reprehensable behavior. Besides, since as a foreigner I'm already paying twice as much as the Argentineans, I'm expecting to be treated with some measure of distinction.

Anyway, I strongly suggest that you always maintain a strict policy of paying when finished, if for no other reason than "sex is always better when I pay afterwards". A couple of times on my recent trip I was confronted with requests for payment in advance, upon which ensued a short discussion that, if failed to produce a resolution, led me to start putting my clothes back on while telling the chica to get dressed and that I would accompany her back to the club. This unprecedented series of events always left the chicas completely speechless, to be followed by an immediate change of heart.

6. If a chica agrees to a price and then starts to change her mind at any time in the process (such as during a cab ride), just tell the driver to turn around and take her back to the club, bar, café, etc.

7. If there is any doubt as to the clarity or domination of the price, and simply as a good policy, ask her to write it down on a piece of paper or napkin, and then specify "pesos" or "USD". Put the paper in your pocket in case there is a dispute later.

8. If a chica quotes you in dollars, insist on pesos, or get another chica.

9. If you are in Blacks, all the above rules are off, but then again, if you are in Blacks you are already making a mistake. Blacks is entirely over-rated, filled with barracudas looking for foreign tourists, and, in spite of the reviews of some posters herein, Blacks DOES NOT have a better selection than the other places in town. Over the years, I've probably gone in there a dozen times with the specific intent to pull a chica out of the place, and every time I've left alone.

10. With some exceptions, the more English a chica knows, the more likely she is try to play you for a tourist, which includes trying to get you to pay more than 200 pesos for a short time session, trying to get raise the price "in transit", trying to ask for more money for "additional services", insisting on a covered BJ, and demanding to be paid in advance, etc.

To be fair, this rule is not absolute, and I've certainly met some very nice chicas who spoke excellent English, but from my personal experiences, many of the ones with good English skills tend to realize that these skills give them a superior advantage in preying on unsuspecting tourists. Simply said, the ones with larceny in their hearts just can't help themselves.

11. Above all else, and assuming that you have the Spanish skills, always ask everything in advance. It's not very romantic, but I've learned from experience to tell them what I will pay, when I will pay it, and that I insist on a BBBJ. While you're still in the club or bar, you have all the control.

Jackson[/blue]

Jackson:

You couldn't have said that better. Thanks!

By the way, may you post the name of the clubs and venues that others didn't post here? I would be happy to visit them in December if I have time.

Thanks again,

Andres

[blue]Hi Andres,

Send me an email when you get here and I'll take you personally. I'll be here for the next several months. I'd prefer to keep at least a couple of clubs safe from stampeding hoards of Americans with money falling out of their pockets at the prospect of actually getting some pussy. Safe, that is to say, until they’ve gained some experience and become acclimated to the scene. Sometimes the new guys need to experience the Blacks and Newport tourist gambits first until they've gained some prespective.

Jackson[/blue]

Concerning the Mellizas Twins.....I just noticed they are now off of Platynum.com. I was looking at them yesterday and they're off today!

Did anybody happen to get a contact number?

Was looking forward to fulfilling a fantasy. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Fatty