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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fat Bastard
[i]Concerning the Mellizas Twins.....I just noticed they are now off of Platynum.com. I was looking at them yesterday and they're off today!
Did anybody happen to get a contact number?
Was looking forward to fulfilling a fantasy. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Fatty [/i][/QUOTE]
"In Search of the mythical Melliza Twins"
Rent the movie, read the book, buy the CD.
The Mellizas Twins are off because they don't exits except digitally. I contend they are just an Argentine monger fantasy.
If anyone knows otherwise let us know.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Admin
[i][red][b]Because the subject of prices and practices continues to appear in the forum, and because there is apparently a lot of mis-information on the subject, it appears that I'm going to need to continuously re-post these guidelines.[/b][/i][/red][/quote]
Ok, Ok, point taken. These prices are all for short time and I guess I just enjoy having the girl for a longer period of time such as all night and into the next day.
Anyway, thanks for the post.
[blue]Hi Moondog,
You wern't wrong, I just wanted to clairify the difference in the correct price for a 1-2 hour session (150-200 pesos), and the correct price for "todo la noche" (300+pesos).
There have been many ocassions where I've had a particuliarly nice chica stay with me for a couple of days or longer, usually to accompany me on a trip into the country or to Mar del Plata. Of course, to me 300 pesos per day still seems a little high given that I'm paying all the travel expenses, but it's certainly subject to negoiation. Just today I was talking to a chica friend who offered to accompany me for free if I took her with me to see the Rolling Stones in Rio de Janeiro next month.
I also wanted to clairify that the girls are receiving the same prices now as they were before the devaluation, with the same purchasing power [i]in Argentina[/i] as before the devaluation. The only difference is that when you go to exchange your dollars for their pesos, you now get more pesos.
Jackson[/blue]
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james bond...re your question about pricing.....I went to BA twice before devaluation of the peso. In August of 2001 I paid an average of 200USD for a 4 hour date (for the evening)....sex/dinner/sex.....and 150 for a shorter date, and 200 to 300 for overnighters. These were the same prices I paid in pesos after devaluation, until just recently when I have had a harder time finding chicas for 200 for an overnight date...most now want 300 for TLN....but since the price is in pesos, that's 100USD now vs. 200-300 a year ago....so, yes, prices in dollars have fallen dramatically.
Jackson's post makes very good points about informed hobbyists paying informed prices...it makes it easier on everyone if all of us know and adhere to the prevailing price structure....otherwise the prices will escalate. A caveat...if you pay only the same amount as last year, the girl's purchasing power will have declined somewhat due to inflation. Things cost more now.
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Gentlemen,
I am a one year reader, first time poster. The info. I have read is 90+% bang-on for the one area I know a bit about, BA. Thanks to all. I have been to Argentina 5 times in the last 3 years and just returned from a 2 weeker in early Oct. I have been to many places around the world but never had the inclination to hobby until BA.
BA, as it turns out, is candy land. How can one help themselves?
On prices, I have a few notes as a gringo vs. a latino buddy I was with from outside Argentina. The prices in general were the same off the internet, (making phone calls) and the clubs for each of us. As my amigo is more into bargaining, he tried, with the response that 'you are now from one of the rich countries' to which he replied, 'not for long'. Basic prices were 100p/hr, (+cab), all night 300p. One hr sessions turned to 1.5 or so, same charge. Some club girls looked for more, some internet, but only 10% of the girls, and there was no moving their prices.
I went to BA this time looking for a bit of a GFE, which I got, same girl 2 different days. This cannot be done in 1 hour. If someone can provide a tactful method to do the following, please write. While looking for the GFE, the chemistry might not be right and I will settle for 1.5 hours. On the other hand, looking for 1.5 hours, one might want to turn it into an all nighter. How does one arrange this tactfully knowing the girls want to schedule their time?
IMHO, I enjoyed the internet experience because it was not as hard core as some of the clubs can get, totally opposite to what my expectations were. I would never go to BA without checking the clubs out however as they are a lot of fun, more English speakers then I have come across in the past.
Will provide more direct insight next post.
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Gentlmen,
Like middleageguy, I've also been lurking on this board for a couple of months now and I must say that the Argentina section on this board has been a tremendous source of information, so much so that I have planned a short trip over thanksgiving to explore BA. Though it will be my first time in BA, I by no mean am a novice to the hobby scene, having been to Brazil 5 times in the last three years. I was pretty content on continuing my periodic trips to Brazil but after reading the glowing reports from this Argentinian section I figure I owe it to myself to check out the scene in BA.
My question to the experts on the board is, given that I am an Asian-American, can someone tell me whether this poses a problem in BA as far as mongering goes? I know from personal experience in Rio, Sao Paulo and Fortaleza that it is not a problem at all (In fact girls seem to zero in on me amongst my caucasian friends in the termas or boites of Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paulo for some unknown reason.) Just curious about BA girls attitude toward asian males?
I am pretty pumped up about this upcoming trip and would like to find out if other WSGers will be around in BA from 11/26 to 12/1 so that me and my buddy can hang out with you. Certainly the first couple rounds of ceveza will be on me. Am currently in the process of securing some lodging options from Mayri from argentinago.com. As I said, I have been a frequentflyer to Brazil and am a huge fan of the Brazilan garotas but certainly look forward to a change of venue/pace in the form of BA. E-mail me @ apstarNOSPAM@attbi.com (delete NOSPAM from the e-mail address)if you want to hook up or if you just want some info on the Brazil scene.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by middleageguy
I went to BA this time looking for a bit of a GFE, which I got, same girl 2 different days. This cannot be done in 1 hour. If someone can provide a tactful method to do the following, please write. While looking for the GFE, the chemistry might not be right and I will settle for 1.5 hours. On the other hand, looking for 1.5 hours, one might want to turn it into an all nighter. How does one arrange this tactfully knowing the girls want to schedule their time?[/quote]
Middleageguy,
Just treat them so good that they will not want to leave you. Make them laugh, and enjoy the time. It does not always work because of prior commitments, but it will get you off to a good start.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
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Jackson,
Thanks for the post.
Moondog
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Jackson,
Thank you for the great post(s) on costs in BA. As a first timer for BA, it's the kind of information / clarification I needed.
Rolling Stones indeed, excellent, I wish I could be there too!
Regards,
Havanaman
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Apstar. Trust me. You will not have any problems at all. I have met up with guys of all different backgrounds in Buenos Aires and none have had any problems. You will really like it there and the chicas are very affectionate and friendly.
There are a bunch of us in Buenos Aires over Thanksgiving. Actually probably too many of us. I stopped responding to emails because there is no way I'll be able to meet with all of you in 4 short days. Maybe you'll see some of us out at the clubs. I'm meeting up with 3 amigos during Thanksgiving weekend. I've received emails from about 5 or 6 other dudes wanting to all go out together. There is no way a group of 9 or 10 of us is gonna work in the same club.
Maybe we can have lunch or dinner together though. Also, maybe since so many of us are going to be there on Thanksgiving I'll put together a dinner party at a nice restaurant for all of us. Then we can split up in groups of 3 or so and go out to the clubs. That probably sounds like a better idea. Anyone that wants to be included, email me at saintofba@hotmail.com and "RSVP". I'll make the reservation somewhere really nice and we can give thanks. I arrive on Thursday morning and leave on Monday.
Life is good.
Saint
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Great idea. A WSF monger Thanksgiving dinner in Buenos Aires. Certainly have lots to be thankful for....
Maybe it might be interesting to see if we could do it at one of the clubs:-)
Life is good INDEED.
Bond, James Bond 69
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Gentlemen,
this is my first post to the board, and I first want to thank Jackson, Saint, Otto, MCSE, and all of you frequent posters for all the valuable information that you so generously shared. It made my 15-day trip to BA many times better.
As about myself, I've been into mongering for the past 25 years, and had a try to 13 countries over 5 continents. As a frequent business traveller, I always try to discover the specifics of the hobby scene of any new country I'm travelling to.
This trip was carefully prepared. I took 3 months of intensive spanish classes, thus adding a 6th language to the 5 I already speak at various fluency levels. I think this is a must if you want to skip the more touristy experiences and dig valuable info while you are onsite. I also read a number of books about Argentina, including one of the first reports on the hobby scene there. This is "The path to Buenos Aires" by Albert Londres, a world famous reporter in the 20's. (re-published in 1998), who describes in some detail the BA world of brothels at the time. I also studied extensively all the posts on this site, the web sites, and... a map of the city.
Following my general strategy to "blend-in' as much as possible, I decided to rent an apartment there, not in the obvious Recoleta, but in Palermo, which seems to be (upper) middle-class neighborhood. The apartment was found through ByT Argentina website (Mariana speaks perfect English and French), at a weeky rate of 200 USD. It was in perfect condition, clean, comfortable, and conveniently located. Renting an apartment offers, i my view, the aditional advantage of discretion, which the kind of lady I'm after generally seem to appreciate, avoiding the embarrassment of checking in at the hotel front desk, etc.
Just to be sure I wouldn't miss anything, I started by a quick review of the top bars scene, beginning by Playwomen (why do most posters stick to the erroneous "Playwoman" spelling?), the Recoleta Affaire, Sodoma, and the like (skipping Black's, which I was sure was a waste of time). Much as I anticipated, none of these places was to my liking, the girls being, in my humble opinion, much too old (late 20's, early 30's) and professional looking.
The street scene being a bit too adventurous for a first-timer, I decided to concentrate my research on what I call the "middle-market", which, for the sake of definitions, shall be deemed to cover: i) bars in Palermo and Belgrano (including the Puyrredon Affaire, the Pampa Nuevo Estilo Boliche); ii) the websites and iii) the "classificados" in Clarin and La Nacion.
My main finding can be summarized as follows: the middle-market apparently consists of two distinct niches: the first one is the bar scene, the second being the "departamientos". However, both might ultimately be under control of the same people, my source of info being the girls themselves.
The bars, as in Recoleta and Cento, ask for a small entrance fee (15 to 20 pesos, which include a drink); the choice varies with time and places, but is generally among 10 to 20 girls, generally in the 7-8 range. Prices are fixed (80 to 120 pesos an hour, and the scheme is described to you by the bartender or the "encargada", i.e. the supervisor of the place). There is generally a higher proportion than elsewhere of foreign (i.e. Brazilian, Paraguayan, Cuban and Dominican) girls, as well as Argentinian girls from the provinces (Misiones). They appear to be a bit more relaxed and less professional than in Recoleta, possibly due to shorter exposure to big city stress. However, they are under strict control of the management, with strong "contractual" pressure to generate revenue. The money you give them is remitted to the "encargada", and they generally receive only 50% of it. These girls do not end up there by mere chance. There ARE import-export arrangements to bring them there; a Cuban girl explained how the (real) owner of the place (name witheld for obvious reasons) arranged for an official invitation to Cuban administration to get her out of Santiago de Cuba, short of which invitation she couldn't have left the country. This shows, if anything, that the schemes described by Albert Londres some 60 years ago (whereby the French mob exported prostitutes to BA) still exist, albeit with different characteristics.
The Departamientos. Now you may think that the girls on Platynum are, as the site claims, "independent escorts". Of course I didn't check all the girls there, and my conclusions rely on random sampling. I leave it to our independent community of research minded mongers to confirm more thoroughly my tests. What I can state by first hand experience is that at least a substantial proportion of the girls there work in "Departamientos".
The "Departamiento" (which in plain words is nothing else than a small-scale brothel) is an appartment (the well famed 2254 French Street being one of many) where various shifts of 2 to 4 girls work; generally, an older lady serves as attendant, answering the phone and keeping track of each girl's business. She reports to an "encargada" who supervises several "deartamientos". The main task of the encargada is to collect money from the girls (the girls I hooked up with consistently reported they had to pay a 50% cut out of the price agreed upon over the phone). A girl will be fired if she has less than 1 or 2 sessions a week over a period of 2 weeks. The money collected by the "encargada" is paid to the "dueño" (owner) of the Departamiento. Now, this person never appears as the legal owners of the place, who seem to be men of straw.
What precedes explains why the girls in Platynum and the Clarin classified are the same as those in the Departamientos. The owners are well organized pimps that use every available advertising media to promote their business. To be fair, this certainly justifies part of the 50% cut on the girls' fees.
I was told by 2 independent sources that many of the Belgrano's Departamientos are owned by the same family (4 brothers).
The worst remains to be said: a girl is NOT totally free to leave. If she wants to avoid serious problems (and, remember, many of them have kids), they only get to leave by finding someone to replace them; and the replacing girl should display, prima facie, the same revenue generating capabilities as the would be leaver.
This was confirmed independently, although with some variation in the details, by 3 different girls I met in 3 different Departamientos.
I'm not sure this post is as entertaining as many others on this board. I'm not sure either which conclusions we should draw from the above. I can only say it came to me as a shock when I realized half the money I had so happily given to some of the sweet girls I met did not end up in their pockets, but in those of... you name it.
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Mohctep (Monster in Russian?):
To me, it's easy: Argentina has better girls, more ratio of stunners and I feel literally at home.
Hope this helps,
Andres
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Don Jose
Thanks for your input. It is good to get confirming information on what others have posted. This information is important to have for several reasons.
From reading your post I'll venture to say that you seem to prefer your companions in the highschool senior to college junior range.;>) If so, then, did you find these type of women in the Clarin Classifieds and, or, the Palermo bars?
Congratulations on doing your homework. I am impressed.
ferolga777
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Apstar,
I was in BA last June and had a great time (I am an Asian) - So stop worrying and pack your bags. I will be in BA for Thanksgiving (A ton of guys are going there). If you are staying at Etoile say hello to me and I will buy the first beer!
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Never been to Argentina myself but I am interested in learning a bit about the place for a visit. Does anyone know of any websites that have information on the sex scene there. I could just unload a bunch of questions here such as....Are there localized areas where the action is concentrated such as in Amsterdam and Thailand?....Is the scene predominantly escorts, massage, streetwalkers, brothels or clubs?...or a mix? Are the services
available pretty much open to anything? Any help to get me pointed in the right direction would be appreciated.