2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=Yujin;428748]7. 53% of you will be fine. The other 47% I couldn't care less about.[/QUOTE]Romney never said that he didn't care about the 47% that are the net benificaries of the taxes that the rest of us have to pay.

What he said was that the 47% who are net benificaries of the taxes that the rest of us have to pay would not vote for him (Romney) specifically because he will reduce the percentage of people leaching off of the rest of us.

The reality is that the 47% don't care about Romney (or the rest of us taxpayers either, for that matter.)

Romney's statement was in fact accurate, as many of us argued at the time that his comments were 1st published.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson; 428750]Romney never said that he didn't care about the 47% that are the net benificaries of the taxes that the rest of us have to pay.

What he said was that the 47% who are net benificaries of the taxes that the rest of us have to pay would not vote for him (Romney) specifically because he will reduce the percentage of people leaching off of the rest of us.

The reality is that the 47% don't care about Romney (or the rest of us taxpayers either, for that matter.)

Romney's statement was in fact accurate, as many of us argued at the time that his comments were 1st published.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]Well, maybe, but it's 'leeching' and not 'leaching. ' Did you know that doctors did not apply leeches? That was beneath them. Surgeons, who were frequently barbers, applied leeches. I think what this country needs is a president who is more like a barber. In fact I think my barber would make a better president than either Obama, Romney, or Johnson.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 428749]I blame the natural disaster on Donald Trump. He is so outrageous I think he even pissed off the Higher-Ups.

Joking aside, I think Donald Trump is a natural for Ambassador to China or the United Nations under Romney. A reality show in the making right there.[/QUOTE]Agree 101 %. The Chinese are in the way of making his wig!

[QUOTE=Jackson; 428750]Romney never said that he didn't care about the 47% that are the net benificaries of the taxes that the rest of us have to pay.

What he said was that the 47% who are net benificaries of the taxes that the rest of us have to pay would not vote for him (Romney) specifically because he will reduce the percentage of people leaching off of the rest of us.

The reality is that the 47% don't care about Romney (or the rest of us taxpayers either, for that matter.)

Romney's statement was in fact accurate, as many of us argued at the time that his comments were 1st published.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]Yikes! What happens when that 47% becomes 51%, democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. Merely 2% away, that's razor thin.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;428751]Well, maybe, but it's 'leeching' and not 'leaching. ' Did you know that doctors did not apply leeches? That was beneath them. Surgeons, who were frequently barbers, applied leeches. I think what this country needs is a president who is more like a barber. In fact I think my barber would make a better president than either Obama, Romney, or Johnson.[/QUOTE]Gary Johnson served as an awesome Governor for 8 years, check out his record. He has more (government) executive experience the the other 2 combined. It is also time to submit a balanced budget now (Gary Johnson will, they won't) , or economic doomsday is coming. I bet you that the next non Gary Johnson administration will push the debt up even higher that will result in a bond rating downgrade during their term. There is a real difference with GJ. Make your vote count this time by voting for Gary. Make a statement by using the ballot box. Vote Libertarian.

[QUOTE=Silver Star;428759]Gary Johnson served as an awesome Governor for 8 years, check out his record. He has more (government) executive experience the the other 2 combined. It is also time to submit a balanced budget now (Gary Johnson will, they won't) , or economic doomsday is coming. I bet you that the next non Gary Johnson administration will push the debt up even higher that will result in a bond rating downgrade during their term. There is a real difference with GJ. Make your vote count this time by voting for Gary. Make a statement by using the ballot box. Vote Libertarian.[/QUOTE]I know all about Johnson's record as governor of NM. As I stated earlier, I went to see the Libertarian VP candidate speak. They have no idea how to accomplish their economic goals. Their tax plan is just more of the same and their feeling that a flat tax rate could be as low as 8, while simultaneously eliminating corporate and state taxes, is so wildly optimistic as to be delirious. Johnson had the power to balance the budget in New Mexico. The federal situation is completely different. I think it would be good if the Libs get 5% so they can get the matching funds and all of that, not because I agree with their platform (I agree with very little of it, maybe a third, mostly on social issues) , but because we need more alternatives in the US right now.

Since posting is at crawling speed, you might be interested to know:

That more people in 2011 played lotteries than went to church (CBS News) , so it's true that we worship money.

Joe Kernan of CNBC possess the genetic pool of AP right wingers. Let's just say he could be their spokesman. He does do alot of rambling & mumbling just like El Alamo. He has somewhat of a small mouth, I have been told that it relates to meaness. Just one of my profiling techniques, very useful when screening chicks from a distance at Cafe Orleans. Another tip, round/flat face signifies a generous heart and willing wide-spread thighs.

Joe had Jack Welch on this morning. It was a lovefest, but Welch should not venture out of the old folks home. You can hardly understand his nasal utterings. He made me some money, I should say nice things about him. But I lost respect for him when he was outmanouver by his 2nd wife over their pre-nuptial agreement. But then, she was a merger & acquisitions expert after all.

If you say that you dislike fossill fuel today, it's akin to say you dislike cigarette smoking in 1955. At least in the murderous looks that you get and people telling you to go jump off the Empire State Building.

Milt Romney would win by a landslide if he ran as a Moderate Milt in Massachusetts, but then Rick S, the used car salesman & Sunday school teacher would be the candidate.

That Toyman has apply for a loan in case he need to pay off his bets. (just a rumour)

Happy Hunting, Merry X'mas, whatever.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 428770]Since posting is at crawling speed, you might be interested to know:

That more people in 2011 played lotteries than went to church (CBS News) , so it's true that we worship money.

Joe Kernan of CNBC possess the genetic pool of AP right wingers. Let's just say he could be their spokesman. He does do alot of rambling & mumbling just like El Alamo. He has somewhat of a small mouth, I have been told that it relates to meaness. Just one of my profiling techniques, very useful when screening chicks from a distance at Cafe Orleans. Another tip, round / flat face signifies a generous heart and willing wide-spread thighs.

Joe had Jack Welch on this morning. It was a lovefest, but Welch should not venture out of the old folks home. You can hardly understand his nasal utterings. He made me some money, I should say nice things about him. But I lost respect for him when he was outmanouver by his 2nd wife over their pre-nuptial agreement. But then, she was a merger & acquisitions expert after all.

If you say that you dislike fossill fuel today, it's akin to say you dislike cigarette smoking in 1955. At least in the murderous looks that you get and people telling you to go jump off the Empire State Building.

Milt Romney would win by a landslide if he ran as a Moderate Milt in Massachusetts, but then Rick S, the used car salesman & Sunday school teacher would be the candidate.

That Toyman has apply for a loan in case he need to pay off his bets. (just a rumour)

Happy Hunting, Merry X'mas, whatever.[/QUOTE]Luckily rates are very low right now! The Esten bet will be resolved shortly. Tick tick tick. Toymann

I'm confused. I thought the bet was Toymann and David 33. Does Esten even believe in money? Boy, this is going to be close. Again I say I hope the popular and electoral votes go the same way. Whoever wins won't have much of a mandate and no one seems to think the Repubs will take the house so it will probably be the same bullshit either way for four years. While that might not sound like a great outcome, at least it will be four years of US political bullshit and not four years of Argie political bullshit or French political bullshit. There are varying degrees of bullshit.

I'm not going to watch it. I am just going to wake up Wednesday and find out. And, no matter who wins I will still get a 10% discount at Albertson's that day.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;428751]Well, maybe, but it's 'leeching' and not 'leaching. ' Did you know that doctors did not apply leeches? That was beneath them. Surgeons, who were frequently barbers, applied leeches. I think what this country needs is a president who is more like a barber. In fact I think my barber would make a better president than either Obama, Romney, or Johnson.[/QUOTE]At least your Barber would not be afraid to give the Wall Street Bankers the haircut that they so seriously need for causing the last near-Depression.

Come Wednesday morning. 7 November 2012, if Mitt Romney wins you will hear an immediate hue & cry from the liberals that the election was stolen from Obama by those dirty Republicans using voter suppression to deny the will of the American people.

Have you noticed the Democrats have been pretty quiet about Obama winning lately?

[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 428770]Since posting is at crawling speed, you might be interested to know:

That more people in 2011 played lotteries than went to church (CBS News) , so it's true that we worship money.

Joe Kernan of CNBC possess the genetic pool of AP right wingers. Let's just say he could be their spokesman. He does do alot of rambling & mumbling just like El Alamo. He has somewhat of a small mouth, I have been told that it relates to meaness. Just one of my profiling techniques, very useful when screening chicks from a distance at Cafe Orleans. Another tip, round / flat face signifies a generous heart and willing wide-spread thighs.

Joe had Jack Welch on this morning. It was a lovefest, but Welch should not venture out of the old folks home. You can hardly understand his nasal utterings. He made me some money, I should say nice things about him. But I lost respect for him when he was outmanouver by his 2nd wife over their pre-nuptial agreement. But then, she was a merger & acquisitions expert after all.

If you say that you dislike fossill fuel today, it's akin to say you dislike cigarette smoking in 1955. At least in the murderous looks that you get and people telling you to go jump off the Empire State Building.

Milt Romney would win by a landslide if he ran as a Moderate Milt in Massachusetts, but then Rick S, the used car salesman & Sunday school teacher would be the candidate.

That Toyman has apply for a loan in case he need to pay off his bets. (just a rumour)

Happy Hunting, Merry X'mas, whatever.[/QUOTE]I don't follow the political thread much any more, but I'm glad I saw this post. Kudos B Shirt.

I haven't watched CNBC in years and haven't missed it. I stick all my money in a cookie jar, and I don't have to endure that pedophile on Friday mornings with his USA flag lapel pin.

Wow! These polls are hard to take seriously.

CNN is at it again. CNN polled 41% Democrats 30% Republicans and 29% Independents. The result. A 49-49 tie. The 41-30 Democrat / Republican breakdown in laughable. The poll was a tie because the independents favored romney 59-37 (I guess 4% of Independents are still undecided)

The final 49-49 result may be somewhat close to the final result but the poll is fatally flawed with the 41-30 Democrat / Republican breakdown. If the election day breakdown is really 41-30 I doubt Republicans would win more than 100 House seats.

Anyway, the CNN poll is in line with Rasmussen and Gallup but the CNN polling method was absurd. If CNN actually arrived at a 49-49 tie with a 41-30 Dem / Rep participation and a 59-37 edge for Romney with Independents we are looking at a Romney landslide tomorrow.

Obama and romney may get A pluses for their campaigns but the polls get a F minus.

[QUOTE]For those of you who reside in Argentina, do you still pay taxes to Uncle Sam? If so, is it because you maintain your bank account in the states?[/QUOTE][blue]Why do some people have to do this shit?

This thread is clearly titled "[i]2012 Elections in the USA[/i]".

There's an entire other thread dedicated to the subject of paying USA taxes.

Perhaps you couldn't find it because it was cryptically titled "[i]USA Taxes on Worldwide Income[/i]".

However, my guess is that you didn't even fucking bother to look first.

Anyway, it took me about 10 seconds to find it using the forum's search function.

[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?5024-U.-S.-Taxes-on-Worldwide-Income[/url]+taxes.

And this being right on the heels of the "[i]Civilians Reading the Forum[/i]" discussion that I had to move to it's own thread just a couple of days ago.

Please, search before you post.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Dickhead; 428775]I'm confused. I thought the bet was Toymann and David 33. Does Esten even believe in money? Boy, this is going to be close. Again I say I hope the popular and electoral votes go the same way. Whoever wins won't have much of a mandate and no one seems to think the Repubs will take the house so it will probably be the same bullshit either way for four years. While that might not sound like a great outcome, at least it will be four years of US political bullshit and not four years of Argie political bullshit or French political bullshit. There are varying degrees of bullshit.

I'm not going to watch it. I am just going to wake up Wednesday and find out. And, no matter who wins I will still get a 10% discount at Albertson's that day.[/QUOTE]Any bet with david33 is only a fantasy in his and some others mind. Have never heard directly from him thus no bet. Just wierd innuendo from some other posters. Black shirt is just having fun, he is from Nebraska so what can you expect! LOL. Soon all will be revealed. Monger on Dick! Toymann

Obama was just interviewed on MNF by Chris Berman, he stated that he "promised" a NCAA D-I playoff and that he "delivered"- "promises made, promises kept" (the D-I football playoff begins in 2014). RE-ELECT THIS MAN!

It is always nice to have a president who is a sports fan and not a sissy like Jimmy Carter but college athletics needs to get smaller and not bigger. Our priorities are all screwed up there. If all the money that went to college athletics went to STEM fields we wouldn't get embarrassed in math and science at the K12 level. Cutting athletic scholarships in half and using the money for academic scholarships would be a nice start.

[url]http://www.gallup.com/poll/158519/romney-obama-gallup-final-election-survey.aspx[/url]

49/48 Romney. Obama leads 49/48 among the 32% who had already voted. Survey notes geographical differences in early voting:

"there are highly significant differences in the rate of early voting by region, extending from 9% in the East to 50% in the West, with 25% early voting in the Midwest and 43% in the South."

Hmm. That seems favorable to the incumbent because the east should be an Obama stronghold. To what extent CA comprises "the west" makes that hard to analyze. The South is Romney territory so since more than 32% of those have voted, that is also favorable to Obama. But. 25% Midwest and 43% South exactly cancel each other out.

So I think exactly how FL and CA are represented here is key, and since we don't know that, all I can really say is the fact that Obama leads among those who have already voted, while only 9% of the east has voted, should be interpreted as somewhat favorable to Obama.

Too bad the popular vote is not determinative. I have already voted as well so tomorrow I will practice avoidance and see if I can wake up Wednesday without knowing who won. Shit, it could well be that it won't even be determined by the time I wake up.

Now that we are hours away from the end, could a Madaho's expert please give me a good $ figure for an evening's fun with take out? I know that the often blocked Toymann will want to enjoy his night of lujuria if the Mormon wins, as I will if Obama gets it. Best to have all clear before its too late. I wouldn't want the often blocked Toymann to call me a cheapskate if I don't give a sufficient amount to Jackson (should I lose the bet).

Going back six pages on the Madaho's thread I finally found a post by ThugStar84; (http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?1908-Madahos&p=426111&viewfull=1#post426111):

"I ended up taking out a cute smaller peruvian girl (my hotel) that spoke a bit of english. For about an hour, she quoted 1100 (basically everything I had) + cab ride. I had the condoms already. So overall, I paid 1100 p (girl) + 80 p (cab, both ways, normally 25p on meter each way) , + 200 p (entry fee) + 400 p (1 Chica drink) = 1780 p! Or about 350 USD."

So it looks like my estimate of $200 or $250 was on the low side. I wouldn't want to destroy the often blocked Toymann's fishing budget, so maybe a $300 amount would be fair. If that figure is still too low, I will of course agree to $350 or $400. I am a standup guy and don't try to wiggle out of my commitments. Open for comments until its too late. I have noticed a silence from the usually blocked Toymann (checking the forum without logging in), I'm sure he wouldn't want any legitimacy he still might have on the forum to be annihilated by showing himself to be a Four Flusher who doesn't pay his bets (in the event that he loses).

[QUOTE=Toymann;428786]Any bet with david33 is only a fantasy in his and some others mind. Have never heard directly from him thus no bet. Just wierd innuendo from some other posters. Black shirt is just having fun, he is from Nebraska so what can you expect! LOL. Soon all will be revealed. Monger on Dick! Toymann[/QUOTE]I just read this post by the wiggly and often blocked Toymann. Why should I have to contact him directly? I accepted his bet (which was posted on the forum), ON THE FORUM. and forum members reading back on this thread can clearly see that. I would hope that he will put his money where his mouth is or be seen for not only being a loud mouthed, unpleasant and insulting braggart, but also a scumbag, liar, muerto de hambre and cheat.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 428778]Come Wednesday morning. 7 November 2012, if Mitt Romney wins you will hear an immediate hue & cry from the liberals that the election was stolen from Obama by those dirty Republicans using voter suppression to deny the will of the American people.

Have you noticed the Democrats have been pretty quiet about Obama winning lately?[/QUOTE]That's because I stopped posting here. In point of fact, the prediction markets, which I trust far more than polls, all of which have biases and methodological issues, have gone from nearly 50/50 to 72/28 pro Obama in the past week and a half.

[url]www.intrade.com[/url]

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 428784]Wow! These polls are hard to take seriously.

CNN is at it again. CNN polled 41% Democrats 30% Republicans and 29% Independents. The result. A 49-49 tie. The 41-30 Democrat / Republican breakdown in laughable. The poll was a tie because the independents favored romney 59-37 (I guess 4% of Independents are still undecided)

The final 49-49 result may be somewhat close to the final result but the poll is fatally flawed with the 41-30 Democrat / Republican breakdown. If the election day breakdown is really 41-30 I doubt Republicans would win more than 100 House seats.

Anyway, the CNN poll is in line with Rasmussen and Gallup but the CNN polling method was absurd. If CNN actually arrived at a 49-49 tie with a 41-30 Dem / Rep participation and a 59-37 edge for Romney with Independents we are looking at a Romney landslide tomorrow.

Obama and romney may get A pluses for their campaigns but the polls get a F minus.[/QUOTE]Obviously, you don't know jack shit about polling methodology. When a sample has incorrect proportions of pro one side vs. the other, the raw numbers are adjusted to correct that disproportion out. It's called correcting for sampling bias. Pretty clearly, the raw numbers reflected a significant Obama edge that was corrected out by adjusting for the 41-30 Dem / Rep sample bias to get a final result of 49/49.

Basically, the way this is done is by re-weighting the sample toward whatever their methodology tells them that the TRUE Dem/Rep/Independent breakdown of likely voters will be, and then adjusting the weights assigned to the different groups that they actually sampled to correct for this bias.

In this way, you can actually draw an appropriate estimate even from a sample group that is widely disproportionate to the TRUE population of voters - as long as an adequate sample size was polled from each of the three groups, and they have done their homework correctly on the breakdown of likely voters by group. This latter issue is actually the one that separates the men from the boys amongst pollsters, and it's why Rassmussen's methodology in particular has come under fire in the past few years - because they don't poll folks who don't have land lines, they haven't been able to correctly adjust out their sampling bias. But HAVING a sampling bias - which ALL polls generally do - is not a major issue, if the polling organization knows that they have one, and can properly characterize it, they can and do adjust it out of the raw numbers. Correctly doing this adjustment, and understanding your sampling bias with respect to the true voting population is THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE ASSOCIATED WITH POLLING ACCURACY.

[QUOTE=David_33;428818]I just read this post by the wiggly and often blocked Toymann. Why should I have to contact him directly? I accepted his bet (which was posted on the forum), ON THE FORUM. and forum members reading back on this thread can clearly see that. I would hope that he will put his money where his mouth is or be seen for not only being a loud mouthed, unpleasant and insulting braggart, but also a scumbag, liar, muerto de hambre and cheat.[/QUOTE]David, If you're right about this, I want to revisit an issue I had with Exon sometime back. By the same logic he needs to perform fellatio in front of the obelisk at high noon to follow up on a commitment he made here about me. You and Toymann never came to terms. His only bet was with Esten. I offered to take Obama and Toymann said no and that was that.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;428821]You and Toymann never came to terms.[/QUOTE]I realize you are one of the few forum members who supports the now revealed to be a cheapskate, cheater, liar and scumbag Toymann but you might want to clarify what "coming to terms" means. I accepted his bet put forward on the forum, long ago ON THE FORUM after he began to post insults referring to me for no apparent reason. He never said; bet's off, forget it or anything else which would suggest that my acceptance of HIS BET wasn't going to be honored. If it was looking like the guy Toymann has been supporting forever was going to win, I have no doubt he would be licking his lips waiting for me to give Jackson the money.

He has been one of the least popular forum members for a long time, and now that he is showing himself to be a liar (where is all that money he is always bragging about? He can't pay his bets?), I'm sure only you and a couple of others who have been treated to a beer now and then when he has actually had money in his pocket will continue to have anything to do with him. After all the damage he has done to the forum by his posts which personally insult other members causing many to leave AP, and now that he has also shown himself to be dishonest; I suggest he be banned.

Member #2041.

Sorry to ruin your day. Maybe you would like the pollsters to make corrections for the ratio of democratic to republican voters in a poll. But polls almost never do that and the CNN poll absolutely did not make that correction.

The 2008 presidential election had a 39-32-29 democratic / republican / independent breakdown. Almost all polls this year mirror the 2008 breakdown or have the breakdown even more skewed toward democrats. That is why most polls in 2012 favor Obama.

Gallup says the breakdown this election should be +1 Republican which will invalidate almost all polls taken in 2012.

But getting back to your idea that the CNN poll somehow adjusted for the large percentage of Democrats in their poll. That is a fantasy.



By the way, there is a reason Republicans are underepresented in most polls. Republicans, for one reason or another, are less likely to participate in polls. Consequently, most polls underestimate the Republican vote by up to one per cent. This is probably just what you, member 2041, wanted to hear.

[QUOTE=David_33;428822]I realize you are one of the few forum members who supports...Toymann but you might want to clarify what "coming to terms" means.[/QUOTE]I admit Toymann would be wise to tone it down sometimes. About "coming to terms", you appear to be involved in a one-sided negotiation below. How much a night at Madaho's should cost, how you're going to settle the bet, how you want to settle it without meeting him, etc.

You'd have to post links to the posts you and Toymann allegedly made before what you're saying could make sense to me. As best as I can remember, one of the attractions of the bet to Toymann was spending an evening with Esten, some sort of a misguided attempt to prove that a Democrat and Republican can participate in a night of debauchery without tearing each others throats out. Kind of like that Michael Jackson classic tune Ebony and Ivory, applied to politics. It didn't work out that way because of scheduling conflicts though.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;428824]About "coming to terms", you appear to be involved in a one-sided negotiation below. How much a night at Madaho's should cost, how you're going to settle the bet, how you want to settle it without meeting him, etc. You'd have to post links to the posts before what you're saying could make sense to me.[/QUOTE]I have no need to make any sense to you. Read back on the forum and you will see how Toymann out of nowhere began to insult me whenever I pointed out the dangers in electing a Mormon as President. He then put up his bet on the forum. I accepted on the forum. WHY would I want to have anything to do personally with someone who was dedicated to insulting me personally? This is why I proposed giving the money to Jackson. If Obama wins and Toymann tries to worm out of paying the bet, he will show himself to be completely despicable. Those who know me know that I will pay the bet if the Mormon wins. I keep my promises. This is why I am respected on the forums and continue to help more ISG members in one week than the worthless Toymann has in his entire life.

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 428823]Member #2041.

Sorry to ruin your day. Maybe you would like the pollsters to make corrections for the ratio of democratic to republican voters in a poll. But polls almost never do that and the CNN poll absolutely did not make that correction.

The 2008 presidential election had a 39-32-29 democratic / republican / independent breakdown. Almost all polls this year mirror the 2008 breakdown or have the breakdown even more skewed toward democrats. That is why most polls in 2012 favor Obama.

Gallup says the breakdown this election should be +1 Republican which will invalidate almost all polls taken in 2012.

But getting back to your idea that the CNN poll somehow adjusted for the large percentage of Democrats in their poll. That is a fantasy.

By the way, there is a reason Republicans are underepresented in most polls. Republicans, for one reason or another, are less likely to participate in polls. Consequently, most polls underestimate the Republican vote by up to one per cent. This is probably just what you, member 2041, wanted to hear.[/QUOTE]El Alamo, you proving again that you haven't a clue how polling is done is HARDLY ruining my day. BTW, I used to design these polling methodologies for a living. I do, however, expect that YOUR day is going to be ruined tomorrow. The simple fact is EVERY polling organization corrects for their sampling bias. The question is, how well and accurately they do it.

Today's election is merely a choice of who is going to captain the sinking Titanic.

One night at Madaho.

Minimum;

180 to get in.

400 chica drink.

1000 for a decent chica for a decent multi hour session (winning a bet shouldn't net you a crappy hour and you shouldn't have to work super hard to close)

150 telo fee (it's a fucking bet, spring for the telo)

One night at Madaho=1730 pesos at whatever exchange pesos are going for when paid.

This should be the last word on this subject, but it won't be.

You may now return to whatever other stupid shit you want to argue about but this matter is settled.

[QUOTE=David_33;428825]I have no need to make any sense to you. Read back on the forum and you will see how Toymann out of nowhere began to insult me whenever I pointed out the dangers in electing a Mormon as President. He then put up his bet on the forum. I accepted on the forum. WHY would I want to have anything to do personally with someone who was dedicated to insulting me personally? This is why I proposed giving the money to Jackson. If Obama wins and Toymann tries to worm out of paying the bet, he will show himself to be completely despicable. Those who know me know that I will pay the bet if the Mormon wins. I keep my promises. This is why I am respected on the forums and continue to help more ISG members in one week than the worthless Toymann has in his entire life.[/QUOTE]OK, I did read back on the forum. On 1/6/2012 Toymann wrote 'Any interest in a Madahos wager Chezz or David? Your liberal brother Esten has crawled back under his rock to protect himself from the oncoming GOP tsunami. '

Toymann didn't describe the possible wager. It could have been for a drink at Madahos, poontang, who knows what. All he did was ask if there was any INTEREST in a wager. Over a month later, on 2/24/2012, you say you're 'taking' Toymann's bet, and in the same post you say you got Jackson to 'block' him. So how are you going to establish what the bet is and get him to accept it if you're not going to communicate with him? The next time you mention the 'bet' is on 9/24/2012 when you mention you're going to collect on this still undefined wager. At that time it seems to have morphed in your mind into a cash bet that has nothing to do with Madahos.

I still don't get it.

Agreed, you are respected on the forums and help more ISG members in a week than many of us do in a lifetime.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;428832]OK, I did read back on the forum. On 1/6/2012 Toymann wrote 'Any interest in a Madahos wager Chezz or David?[/QUOTE]I didn't take the bet because I don't gamble on things where I cannot affect the outcome. In California, state propositions and municipal measures are the only thing I'm even remotely interested in. Measure B in LA, for example, is an amusing ballot measure that all members of this board should be able to agree on.

Regarding today's big prize, I couldn't give a shit either way. Nothing REALLY is going to change no matter who gets the brass ring. This country is NOT a sinking Titanic, not compared to countries that measure "fucked-up" using a completely different metric. An old friend of mine from my days living in Russia published a piece in Rolling Stone that really hits the nail on the head. If you'll allow me to post the link, I think it's an interesting read:

[url]http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/33205/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=7515d4e1423155c12d2c856592c27988[/url]

My favorite paragraph being "What's become clear in the last few weeks is that the last real taboo in America is admitting that the world isn't going to end if the other guy gets elected. The corollary to that taboo is an apparent new national prohibition against having even the slightest faith in the essential patriotism of the other side."

So, go ahead and believe that Obama is a foreign-born Communist / Marxist / Socialist hell bent on redistributing wealth and destroying the country because he's inherently evil / stupid. And on the other side, Romney is a magic-underwear-wearing religious nut / flip-flopping / ladder-climbing / corporate raider who only cares about the rich. Neither narrative is true. And really, who gives a shit? Nothing much will change, no matter which way you vote.

[url]http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/20019163/philly-da-probes-reported-voting-inspector-issues[/url]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;428832]O you say you got Jackson to 'block' him.[/QUOTE]Nope, Jackson blocked him on his own. I have never blocked anyone. During this time, I mentioned that if Toymann still had any friends, for them to give him a head's up that I was taking the bet. I'm sure he knew about it. The bet was for an evening at Madahos. Its incredible that he is trying to wiggle out of it, especially since one of his favorite topics is how much money he has. He's just one of those guys who won't put his money where his mouth is. Since you read back you saw how out of nowhere he began to attack me with personal insults. His bullying has caused many new forum members to leave. I won't be bullied by anyone, especially an idiot like Toymann, and answered his personal attacks with tranquility and without dropping to his level. If I am now using adjectives to describe this specimen, its because he is an embarrasment to AP and men in general. Now that he has shown himself to be a completely dishonest individual, one can only imagine how he managed to obtain whatever money he might actually have. Hopefully he will crawl away from AP with his tail between his legs and disappear forever. Now I'm going to go watch Fox News and enjoy myself.

By the way Tiny12, thanks for the acknowledgement.

You would think so. But despite the fact that billions of dollars are being spent on presidential elections, we do not place enough importance on election day to declare it a national holiday. So business as usual, dropping your infants at day care, opening your shop, delivering goods or services, another mundane day. In the end, what's so vital, is to keep the cash registers humming.

At one time, if you were to try to shop on Sunday, you would have found 90% of retail businesses closed. Perhaps, the supermarket, gas station, doughnut shop and humburger joint were open. I remember feeling urban isolation walking down Brand Blvd in Glendale with hardly a car in sight and every business closed. Nowadays, you find fights breaking out over a parking space at the mall so they could donate their hard earned cash. Ah, the new Temple where we can pray at the altar. Without knowing and realizing, you and I have been seduced into nothing but a being a compliant slave of Big Business. You have to work or no/expensive health insurance, right? You can't go to work unless you have car, right? Why was illegal immigration allowed to develop full-fledged symptoms. Now, do you know who owns Pepsi Cola or NBC? So who do you think holds the power? Obama or Romney?

Now, I do not claim to have any answers. But you just have to be savvy enough to play the game the best you can to your advantage. So what helps to survive: good family enviroment, education, and knowing when you are wrong (ahh, the most difficult). You start life without them, and it's uphill all the way. But I guess it has always been this way since the beginning of time.

[QUOTE=Member #3320;428828]Today's election is merely a choice of who is going to captain the sinking Titanic.[/QUOTE]There is still plenty of ballast in the sinking Titanic, fortunately. It's the crew and passengers mad rush to get to the railings that I am concern about. That is where the casualties are.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;428838]There is still plenty of ballast in the sinking Titanic, fortunately. It's the crew and passengers mad rush to get to the railings that I am concern about. That is where the casualties are.[/QUOTE]A $16 trillion national debt? $1 trillion+ budget deficits, being 7% to 10% of GDP, for the last four years? Unfunded medicare, medicaid and social security of >$50 trillion? And nobody gives a shit? It's more serious than you think. Nobody seems to have the will to deal with this. Actually Ryan does but he seems to have been muzzled, as apparently any politician willing to face facts can't get elected.

If I see a deserted island I'm jumping ship and swimming.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 428841]A $16 trillion national debt? $1 trillion+ budget deficits, being 7% to 10% of GDP, for the last four years? Unfunded medicare, medicaid and social security of $50 trillion? And nobody gives a shit? It's more serious than you think. Nobody seems to have the will to deal with this. Actually Ryan does but he seems to have been muzzled, as apparently any politician willing to face facts can't get elected.

If I see a deserted island I'm jumping ship and swimming.[/QUOTE]The only thing registering any meaningful growth in the US is the national debt. It took over 200 years for the US government to accumulate its first trillion dollars in debt. It took just 286 days to accumulate the most recent trillion (from $15 trillion to $16 trillion).

Last month alone, the first full month of Fiscal Year 2013, the US government accumulated nearly $200 billion in new debt– 20% of the way to a fresh trillion in just 31 days.

The US government is legally bound to spend more money on mandatory entitlements and interest than it can raise in tax revenue. It won't make a difference how high they raise taxes, or even if they cut everything else that remains in government as we know it.

This is not a political problem, it's a mathematical one. Facts are facts, no matter how uncomfortable they may be.

If this is not a sinking Titanic, then what is? And the only question remains really is who will "Captain" it as it goes down slowly but surely.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 428832]OK, I did read back on the forum. On 1/6/2012 Toymann wrote 'Any interest in a Madahos wager Chezz or David? Your liberal brother Esten has crawled back under his rock to protect himself from the oncoming GOP tsunami. '

Toymann didn't describe the possible wager. It could have been for a drink at Madahos, poontang, who knows what. All he did was ask if there was any INTEREST in a wager. Over a month later, on 2/24/2012, you say you're 'taking' Toymann's bet, and in the same post you say you got Jackson to 'block' him. So how are you going to establish what the bet is and get him to accept it if you're not going to communicate with him? The next time you mention the 'bet' is on 9/24/2012 when you mention you're going to collect on this still undefined wager. At that time it seems to have morphed in your mind into a cash bet that has nothing to do with Madahos.

I still don't get it.

Agreed, you are respected on the forums and help more ISG members in a week than many of us do in a lifetime.[/QUOTE]After reading the spew from david33 you understand how an idiot like this thinks. And I am the abusive guy? LMAO. You summary of the facts is spot on. No bet has ever existed between myself and David33. I also thought it was funny how he went totally black for almost 6 months and then suddenly appeared this past summer when Romney was trailing. Like most half Witt's David33 doesn't let the facts get in the way. I wouldn't stop to piss on this clown if he was on fire standing right in front of me. IALOTFLMAO! Monger on TinyDude and kiss my ass David33. Toymann

I wonder what party did this?

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