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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Don José
[i]The Departamientos. Now you may think that the girls on Platynum are, as the site claims, "independent escorts". Of course I didn't check all the girls there, and my conclusions rely on random sampling. I leave it to our independent community of research minded mongers to confirm more thoroughly my tests. What I can state by first hand experience is that at least a substantial proportion of the girls there work in "Departamientos".[/i][/quote]
Don Jose,
Thanks for the good post and insight.
By "Independent Escorts," the owners of Platynum mean that they are just a hosting service for the girls photos and personal information. They are not an escort service per se, and the girls are free to do what they want with their time as far as Platynum is concerned.
The owners have confirmed to me that about 85% of the girls on Platynum have managers, which may fall into the area that you described in your post. If you want 100% accuracy, and total independence, stick with [url]www.escorts-argentina.com.[/url] This is own by the same people as Platynum, but the photos are accurate and the girls are completely independent. That is a pre-requisite for being on the site of [url]www.escorts-argentina.com.[/url]
Moondog
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Moondog.
I understand your point about what "independent" means on the Platynum website. I figured it out, too; it is a standard disclaimer for the owners of the site not to be considered as sharing into the revenues of a working girl, which most likely would be legally considered a criminal offence under argentinian law, which I'm told prohibits prostitution. However, as your source informed you, most of the girls have "managers".
Now, I would like to qualify your statement about girls on escort-argentina being "independent". For one thing, I met a girl from this site (her picture has since then been removed) who works in a departamiento. Hence your statement may not be 100% correct.
But the main point is that even those girls who claim to be "independent" (and who are, to the extent they don't have a "manager") all have to arrange for regular payments to the police in order to avoid trouble. Now this seems to me to be an economic arrangement between various classes of pimps (private vs public), rather than anything else. To this extent, there is nothing as an "independent" escort in BA, but various shades of dependency.
Ferolga 777
Yes, I rather go for the fresh and young thing. But attitude is more important than age to me. What turns me off is the professional attitude. I like to befriend my girls, treat them as a person, and receive similar treatment from them. I think getting this type of relationship requires openness on both sides, a lot of respect, and some sense of humor. The hardened pros won't provide it, but then almost everybody else will, with some time and patience. Some of the girls I was with ended up explaining the economics behind the scene, showing pictures of their kids, singing songs to me, etc. It's a matter of confidence. I don't overpay them, and never pay in advance, but always give more than their asking price, if I think its right. I always make small gifts, like perfume, or books (after knowing the tastes of the lady, of course), or flowers... I want to be seen as a giver by them, and they almost invariably reciprocate...
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Don José
[i]I don't overpay them, and never pay in advance, but always give more than their asking price, if I think its right. I always make small gifts, like perfume, or books (after knowing the tastes of the lady, of course), or flowers... I want to be seen as a giver by them, and they almost invariably reciprocate... [/i][/QUOTE][blue]My philosophy exactly, and I couldn't have said it better myself!
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
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Ditto, it even surprises me sometimes how the little gifts, kind words, and treating them all like ladies improve the quality of the sessions I've had. I've even had some refuse payment after an extended session, and believe me I'm no movie star in the looks department. I think even working girls, maybe them especially, want to feel special and be pampered.
EZE :)
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Don Jose,
RE: Escorts-argentina.com. I think the operative phrase from your comments would be "her picture has since been removed." Adriana tries to maintain a site free of chicas with managers. She will remove a girl who does not tell the truth about her status as a true independent. So, while mistakes may happen from time to time, Adriana will correct such mistakes as quickly a possible.
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Hello, folks.
Upcoming will be my second visit to BsAs, and I've been scouring the websites and boards for a list of women to call. I have not, though, seen any mention of the area-vip.com site. Has anyone had any experiences with these women? By and large, they seem to be more attractive/polished than those on platynum or escorts-argentina, but some of that may be due to the consistency of the photography....
Also, when I was there last, about two years ago, I tried only one internet girl. On my first day, I called a girl who had been pictured on several sites. When she arrived, it was not immediately clear to me if she was, indeed, the same person I thought I was getting. She was, though, beautiful, but MUCH older than the pictures suggested - that's why she COULD have been that person, but long ago. I believe she may have been in her mid to late thirties, although the pictures showed someone in the prime twenties. Needless to say, I was not happy with the experience, and I became hesitant to take such a risk again. I know I could have sent her away, but as it was my first time doing anything like that, and she was quite sweet, and probably was the same person.... well, I gutted it out.
So. The girls you've been calling from the various sites - are they often not what you expected? Age is a factor for me, as I'm used to Rio, where the girls are almost invariably 18-22 years old. I know the girls in BsAs are more 'mature,' but that wasn't a problem for me last time. I did have a great time in Playwomen and Black, usually with girls 22-26, so I'm not setting any limits, but I'd like to be assured that what I think I'm 'ordering' online is what will show up at my door.
Thanks for your responses.
AB
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Saint,
Thank you for that offer, an e-mail is on its way even as we speak. I would very much enjoy meeting you along with other like-minded individuals in person in BA. I think it's terrific idea to get together in BA so you can certainly count me in. As a matter of fact, I've partaken in quite a few similar type of gatherings as the one you proposed in Rio de Janeiro and they have all been trip-enhancing experiences. In fact, the friend who will join me in BA will be leaving for Rio de Janeiro on 11/7 to join a bunch of hobbyists from another board and then fly to BA from Rio. I am sure he is going to have a great time considering he is going to spend more than 3 weeks in Rio and Buenos Aires with some of the finest looking women in the world!! If we get together I am sure he is gonna have some good Brazilian tales to tell not to mention some pictures of the garotas!! As you are of the resident experts on this board, I want to ask you what your opinion is regarding hotel vs apartment in BA. I've always rented an apartment in Rio because it allows me more freedom than the hotels and I am wondering whether this applys in BA as well?
Maddur,
I would certainly look you up if I stay at Etoile, but if you like to get together in BA regardless, shoot me an e-mail and we will figure a way to meet. I am arriving on Tuesday 11/26 and leaving Sunday 12/1.
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since it seems the secret is out on giving gifts... i'll offer a tip:
there is a small "market", like a flee market type thing (small tables/booths with arts/crafts stuff) right out from the etoile - just walk west a blk down quintana, next to the cemetary, infront of the what is it ...a community center?. this is a great place to obtain little, inexpensive gifts for giving to the girls, things like jewelry, candles, etc.
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I think this forum is very good. However, i really disagree with all the posts about paying too much. I especially dislike that somehow anyone who goes into Blacks and takes a girl home is an idiot. For some of us, Money is not the issue. Sorry if some of choose to pay more that what you think is right. AS for Blacks, regardless of the posts stating otherwise, as of 2 weeks ago, the chicas at Blacks were by far superior in quanitity then any other place i went to. Yes, Black's is expensive compared to the other places. That doesnt mean you shouldnt check it out for yourself. And remember, money isnt everything.
[blue]RB1,
With all due respect, you're wrong. I live down the street from Blacks, and I make the circuit through the clubs, bars and other venues every night, so I know the situation first hand. If you believe that "chicas at Blacks were by far superior in quanitity then any other place i went to", it only tells me that you just don't know where else to go.
As for your stated desire that "money isn't everything" and that you like "choose to pay more", please stay in the USA where you can pay hundreds of dollars.
On second thought, from the tone of your posting, my guess is that you are somehow associated with Blacks and you've decided to use this forum to post disinformation to counter the dissapointing reviews Blacks has received from numerous experienced travelers. Don't worry, Blacks will always stay in business catering to foreign business visitors on expense accounts who are too timid to venture outside Black's safety perimeter to find the real Argentina.
Jackson[/blue]
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Adam Bomb
[i]Hello, folks.
Upcoming will be my second visit to BsAs, and I've been scouring the websites and boards for a list of women to call. I have not, though, seen any mention of the area-vip.com site. Has anyone had any experiences with these women? By and large, they seem to be more attractive/polished than those on platynum or escorts-argentina, but some of that may be due to the consistency of the photography....[/i][/quote]
AB,
Area-Vip photos are air brushed so that the girls look better than in real life. Take a look at Indiana's photos on [url]www.area-vip.com.ar[/url] and compare them to Bunny's photos on [url]www.escorts-argentina.com.[/url] Same girl.
Moondog
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With all due respect, Jackson, I believe the comments about Black were valid, regardless of the accusation of rb1's association with the place.
I've only been to BsAs once, but I did go to almost all of the establishments discussed here, or whatever was in existence two years ago. I found that, for my tastes (my standards are unreasonably high), Black and Playwomen were head-and-shoulders above the other clubs with regard to "quality/attractiveness" of the women. The dollar wasn't worth what it is now, and i still felt compelled to spend the money at those two places, rather than "compromise" with the women i found in the other places.
But, regardless. There's a place for clubs at all price ranges. It's ludicrous for anyone to be labeled an idiot for choosing to spend a bit more to get what one wants. It's not as if anyone's driving the prices up at the other places, as Black just has its own individual structure, and is rather independent of everything else. It's kind of like the large, vocal group of travelers who despise Centaurus in Rio, because it's so much more expensive than the other termas. But, for those who's tastes are satisfied by Centaurus, the price is justified. I know that there have been countless times where I have left other termas, not finding what I wanted. But, with Centaurus, there are invariably many women for me. That is worth the cost, in my opinion. I don't travel so far, and only four or so times per year, in order to pinch pennies. That doesn't make me extravagant or ignorant. But, if I'm paying, I will pay for what I want, with as few compromises as possible.
Similarly, there are many who don't find that the "quality" at Centaurus is any greater than in the other termas. Personally, I can take great issue with what passes for 'taste' in those people, but that's another thread.... But, the whole point is that if the consumer perceives a qualitative difference, then There IS One, whether or not that perception is commonly shared. Then, it's up to that consumer to decide if the cost is too high or not.
I do, of course, agree that no one should be overpaying based on what is the common price structure - but that must be seen in a context. Black is entitled to it's pricing, just as the streetwalker is entitled to another. They aren't the same thing, even though many people will say "pussy is pussy."
And, no, I have no association with any of the places discussed.
[blue]Adam Bomb,
I appreciate your position, and I agree with your observations about Centaurus, having been there a few times myself. However, let me clairify a couple of points about Blacks.
First, there isn't anything about Blacks per se that's expensive. They charge the same entry fee and have approximately the same drink prices as many of the Recoleta establishments. In addition, I've never received anything less than polite and courteous service on every one of the many ocassions that I've been there.
Second, Blacks doesn't establish the prices that the chicas try to charge. The chicas, as in most (I hesitate to say all) clubs, are independent and may choose who they may or may not leave with, and what they may agree to charge, all without involvement by the club.
Third, the chicas in BsAs aren't bound to work only one club, and in fact I've seen many chicas in Blacks also in other clubs, the discos and other establishments. For example, it's not uncommon to find the same girl working the early evening "shift" at Cafe Orleans, then later at Blacks or another club. It's common practice for the girls to work different clubs depending on what club is hot and where the action is at any given time.
Fourth, the chica's price will differ depending upon the venue she is in at the moment, my point being that if they're in Blacks with their tenacles around a foreigner, they will try to get two or three times their regular rate, but only because they're in Blacks.
Fifth, the biggest thing that turns me off about Blacks is the fact that simply because I'm a Norte Americano in Blacks, the same girl that would reaidly accept 200 pesos elsewhere, wants to play me for an idiot by asking for $300 USD. Attitude does count, and it's pretty hard to be "man and woman" if they're playing the "stupid foreigner and smart chica" game.
As I've said before, it's not about the price, it's about respect. The object isn't to pay the cheapest price, but to pay a fair price, all while maintaining your status as the man. Don't forget, this is Latin America, not North America.
Sincerely,
Jackson[/blue]
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Thanks, Moondog.
Yes, I'm aware of the potential of airbrushing, as I've done a fair bit of it myself. But, I think actually that the images on area-vip are at least as 'honest' as those on the other sites. I just think it's 'good' photography/lighting/makeup that "helps" these girls. There is a lot of Photoshopping done on Platynum and escorts-argentina, too.
Have you called anyone from area-vip? I find it odd that these women are not being discussed, as the 'agency' seems to be on a different level as far as "representation" goes. Is it that they're perceived as being too expensive? Are they new?
Thanks for any further comment.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Adam Bomb
Have you called anyone from area-vip? I find it odd that these women are not being discussed, as the 'agency' seems to be on a different level as far as "representation" goes. Is it that they're perceived as being too expensive? Are they new?
Thanks for any further comment. [/i][/QUOTE]
AB,
I know two of the girls, Karina, and Indiana. They are both very nice. You will find most of the girls repeated, sometimes with different names, on almost every website in BA.
Pick one and go have fun.
Moondog
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[quote]Originally posted by Don José
[i]I don't overpay them, and never pay in advance, but always give more than their asking price, if I think its right. I always make small gifts, like perfume, or books (after knowing the tastes of the lady, of course), or flowers... I want to be seen as a giver by them, and they almost invariably reciprocate...
[blue]My philosophy exactly, and I couldn't have said it better myself!
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue] [/i][/QUOTE]
Finally Jackson and I are on the same page. :) All good points.
Moondog
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Adam Bomb,
There ARE some cuties on Area-vip.com.ar. I've seen several girls from that site. Some are still on it, some have left and some come and go. Yeah, like all these guys are saying the photos are airbrushed. All of the girls bodies though were almost exactly as pictured on the website. The only thing I noticed is that most of their faces aren't nearly as good as on the site. Case in point, one of the girls I saw is dressed up in all this sexy outfits, her make up is done perfectly, her hair is great. When she came to my hotel, she was wearing a ratty pair of jeans, a white shirt, no make up, her hair was a mess. Don't get me wrong... I still had a great GFE session but just don't expect the exact same girl pictured on that site. Keep an open mind.
I also noticed it was more difficult to reach the girls on Area-Vip's website. My last trip in September many didn't answer their phones, many were "out of the country", or some changed their phone numbers. It is still a website worth considering though. There are a few hotties on that site.
Apstar,
Thanks for the nice words but I'm NO expert on BA. Yeah, I love the city but there are plenty of guys on the board that know the city better than I do. I would suggest an apartment hotel like Art Suites or Design Suites if you're only there a few days. But if you're there a week or longer you may want to consider an apartment. I am in contact with several people that have offered good rates. I have yet to see the apartments in person but they seem to be in a nice area. One is described as, "Luxury building with marble and glass entrance; the ground floor hosts an Art Gallery, Two elevators, two apartments per floor". The prices are very good at around $125 US week!!! (Please don't ask me about the info until I get a chance to look at it).
I'm going at the end of November and also in December for a few weeks where I hope to learn more about renting an apartment or apartment(S).
Remember that we can all agree to disagree with one another. It's good that people are being civil about it. Everyone should give their honest opinions on things. Personally I think Adam Bomb posted a very good post. I'm one of those guys that does think Black's has ridiculously high prices for some girls but you know what? FREE WILL baby! Nothing forces you to pay her asking price and you can always walk out. In fact, I did that more times than not but please note that I had a great time in there hanging with my amigos and looking at the eye candy.
I'm NOT against paying more for a girl that I really want. I do set limits. Anyone that has read my old posts can see that I'd rather go find someone else if a girl isn't being reasonable. At Black's you gotta work harder. It IS possible to score with a Black's chick for not an outrageous price but it helps if your Spanish is at least decent. I took home an "older Brittany Spears" look alike from Black's my first trip. I think I paid 250 pesos for a short time 2 hours visit. At first she wanted $200 US! I just worked her a little and her price came down. I've said it before and I'll say it again....the place is hit or miss. One night you could go and 30 hotties. The next night it could be 3 hotties.
Like Jackson said...there are many better places to go but I don't think you should purposely avoid it. Go in and check it out. Have a drink with your cover coupon. If you don't like it then leave. No big deal.
I wouldn't call anyone an "idiot" necessarily for paying too much. Some guys pay too much out of sheer ignorance, some are temporarily in "love", and some are so freaking wealthy that they don't have anything in their wallets less than US $100 bills. Everything is relative in life. I think what everyone is trying to say is that it often times is not necessary. Think of it like this (I always like analogies). It's like a guy that walks into a BMW dealership. He knows what he wants, he is ready to buy. He already has his checkbook and is determined to buy. But the guy doesn't even bother to look at the sticker on the window, find out what the MSRP is on the car, other options, etc. He just tells the salesman that he will "take it"!
I think that is a perfect example. Yeah, even if you have the money to do that it's just plain silly. EVERYONE is willing to deal a little bit in this economy. Negotiating doesn't make you a cheapskate. Only BEING a cheapskate makes you a cheapskate. If you find the one you've been looking for and you must see her...see her. If you have to pay a little more so be it but at least try to negotiate.
I'm not like Jackson in that he cares if the chicas respect him. I could care less if the chicas respect me. I only care that I get good sex. Ha, ha.
Good luck amigos. Life is good.
