2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 428841]A $16 trillion national debt? $1 trillion+ budget deficits, being 7% to 10% of GDP, for the last four years? Unfunded medicare, medicaid and social security of $50 trillion? And nobody gives a shit? It's more serious than you think. Nobody seems to have the will to deal with this. Actually Ryan does but he seems to have been muzzled, as apparently any politician willing to face facts can't get elected.

If I see a deserted island I'm jumping ship and swimming.[/QUOTE]But, I guess I can learn fast enough to churn my arms & legs. So this is what America will do.

4 precincts in one location and maybe about 6 voters. Romney will carry popular vote for sure if California voters are staying away from the polls.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 428844]I wonder what party did this?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maL8YMPDAo0[/url][/QUOTE]The only verifiable cases of actual voting machines doing that were going the other way, switching Romney votes to Oloser.

Or so it seems. However, the Panhandle has to deliver for Romney.

I am sure that if Romney wins the popular vote and loses the electoral vote, all the Libtards screaming about it in the past will now be on Romney's side.

Wisconsin surprised me. I really thought Romney would win after recent events with Ryan on the ticket. And wrong about my out of consensus call in New Jersey. So much for my election prognostication skills.

Looks to me if Obama wins Ohio but not Florida he needs to win either IA or WI, as well as Colorado. If he wins Florida but not Ohio, then he has a few more ways to win. A lot of people were saying he might win AZ because the latinos are pissed off about the border shit, but that does not appear to be happening.

No way Oloser wins AZ.

They just called AZ for Romnesia. I am surprised VA and NC are so close. IA I think reports from east to west and Des Moines is heavily Dem so that one is hard to judge so far.

Fox just called Ohio for Obama, it's over.

[QUOTE=Punter 127;428860]Fox just called Ohio for Obama, it's over.[/QUOTE]Fox just called Obama the Re-elected President

The stock futures market is not trending per who looks like they are winning but on the possibility the outcome will be unknown by the time the exchanges open. Interesting. And one source has given Wisconsin to Obama and the other one I am looking at has not.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;428862]The stock futures market is not trending per who looks like they are winning but on the possibility the outcome will be unknown by the time the exchanges open. Interesting. And one source has given Wisconsin to Obama and the other one I am looking at has not.[/QUOTE]Dude it's over Obama wins.

[QUOTE=Punter 127;428863]Dude it's over Obama wins.[/QUOTE]Shouldn't someone do a well-being check on El Alamo?

It is proof positive that the unproductive portion of the population has taken over and the rest of us are enslaved. The American voter is pretty gullible. It is truly sad that people fortunate enough to live here don't think that the legacy of America is worth passing down to the next generation.

I can only hope for intense and prolonged gridlock, up to and through the impeachment.

I guess we are now more like Argentina in that we are closer to Europe than we are the Americas.

I guess someone is still in denial.

I will always believe in the greatness of America and that for which it used to stand. However, I now believe that nearly half of American voters don't believe in that same America. I am so disgusted and so disappointed with my fellow Americans.

As I go forward, I will be extremely guarded and will do everything in my power to protect myself from this out of control govt and the greed and selfishness of my fellow Americans.

[QUOTE=Yujin;428866]I guess someone is still in denial.[/QUOTE]I guess you aren't old enough to remember 2000. I'll never concede, regardless of what my candidate may do.

Msn is still not calling it, for some reason. And in my state, WEED is in the LEAD so the Libertarians can be happy about that. If indeed Obama has won, I hope he ends up with a popular vote majority too. It is bad juju otherwise. We need to get rid of the electoral college, but of course can't and won't.

The thing I noticed about this election is that as it grew closer, the Dems I knew became more convinced Obama would lose and the Republicans I knew became more convinced he would win. I myself had been feeling in my gut for the last four or five days that he would lose. That last batch of economic data was, while blah, not negative and I sort of think that could have been the difference.

Now on to the Senate race. Indiana was lost to the Republicans due to hoof in mouth disease. Where are we in Missouri?

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 428868]I will always believe in the greatness of America and that for which it used to stand. However, I now believe that nearly half of American voters don't believe in that same America. I am so disgusted and so disappointed with my fellow Americans.

As I go forward, I will be extremely guarded and will do everything in my power to protect myself from this out of control govt and the greed and selfishness of my fellow Americans.[/QUOTE]You know, one of the things that you COULD do, is leave the country and renounce your citizenship. That will show us unproductive Americans that don't share your vision.

[QUOTE=Dickhead; 428870]Msn is still not calling it, for some reason. And in my state, WEED is in the LEAD so the Libertarians can be happy about that. If indeed Obama has won, I hope he ends up with a popular vote majority too. It is bad juju otherwise. We need to get rid of the electoral college, but of course can't and won't.

The thing I noticed about this election is that as it grew closer, the Dems I knew became more convinced Obama would lose and the Republicans I knew became more convinced he would win. I myself had been feeling in my gut for the last four or five days that he would lose. That last batch of economic data was, while blah, not negative and I sort of think that could have been the difference.

Now on to the Senate race. Indiana was lost to the Republicans due to hoof in mouth disease. Where are we in Missouri?[/QUOTE]The only thing that matters is that the Republicans retained the House and must stiffen their spines to impeach Obama (if and when a preponderance of evidence supports it, as the Benghazi investigations unfold) and to obstruct every dime of spending that isn't related to national security. Scorched earth.

[QUOTE=Punter 127;428863]Dude it's over Obama wins.[/QUOTE]So maybe I can return? Why would I want to do so? Yes, he is more liberal and more likely to give me a Presidential Pardon but why would I want to return?

Let's see. 20 years in Club Fed or stay in BA?

Damn, I'm still thinking about it!

TL.

I feel sorry for the Boys that have to live in Sex Prison.

Good Luck, you may need it!

The Senate will be controlled by the Democrats and the House by the Republicans, so it looks like four more years of nothing. IMHO the American people just made a huge mistake but it's not the first time.

Some people are disputing the Ohio call but I'm not sure Romney will even carry Florida.

[QUOTE=Dickhead; 428870]Msn is still not calling it, for some reason. And in my state, WEED is in the LEAD so the Libertarians can be happy about that. If indeed Obama has won, I hope he ends up with a popular vote majority too. It is bad juju otherwise. We need to get rid of the electoral college, but of course can't and won't.

The thing I noticed about this election is that as it grew closer, the Dems I knew became more convinced Obama would lose and the Republicans I knew became more convinced he would win. I myself had been feeling in my gut for the last four or five days that he would lose. That last batch of economic data was, while blah, not negative and I sort of think that could have been the difference.

Now on to the Senate race. Indiana was lost to the Republicans due to hoof in mouth disease. Where are we in Missouri?[/QUOTE]Actually, I became convinced Obama would win post Hurricane. I was following the prediction markets and the polling very closely. With the knowledge of someone who understands these polls from a technical perspective, as I used to design market research and polling methodologies professionally a couple of decades ago. It was clear that Romney lost his momentum during and immediately after the storm. Combined with the last debate. The aggregation of all the polls together were all telling the exact same story. By the Sunday Morning talk shows, even the more objective of the Republican talking heads were acknowledging that Romney / Ryan would lose.

[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;428873]So maybe I can return? Why would I want to do so? Yes, he is more liberal and more likely to give me a Presidential Pardon[/QUOTE]No doubt that's really high on Obama's 2nd term to-do list.

[QUOTE=Member #2041;428871]You know, one of the things that you COULD do, is leave the country and renounce your citizenship. That will show us unproductive Americans that don't share your vision.[/QUOTE]Good idea. Speaking of unproductive Americans when was the last time you worked? 2005?

[QUOTE=Member #2041;428871]You know, one of the things that you COULD do, is leave the country and renounce your citizenship. That will show us unproductive Americans that don't share your vision.[/QUOTE]I need to stay here and support you leaches since your lacking education limited your reading comprehension skills.

I would never renounce my country. I am however, drastically changing my corporate outlook. I was looking at adding thousands of employees over the next several years. I have a 'plan B' in which I will put the onus on others to deal with the head count. I will make less but, I won't have to accept the unquantifiable cost of new hires. I am not alone in that line of thinking and you will see that the economy is stagnant, at best, and without a reduction in government / regulatory risk, that won't change.

The newspaper has called a victory for WEED in my state. I am already entitled but I am going to smoke to that anyway. To my Republican and or conservative and or Libertarian friends, you are going to pick up seats in the House so you can hope for some possibly maybe more conservative (or less insane) budgeting practices. It could be a good four years because I don't think too much will get done and I think the worldwide economy is in a modest recovery. There is nothing wrong with a modest recovery.

I mean, some kind of Armageddon could happen but I choose not to live thinking that way. I can see some technological advancements over the next four years and the Republican House won't let the Democrats go too far with their socialist leanings. Meanwhile, and importantly, I think other countries' regimes will fuck up worse in the years to come, maintaining the dollar as a safe haven. So let's hope for a moderate fiscal contraction instead of the sudden one we might have had if Romney had won, but yes it is imperative we contract. Maybe, just maybe, a Republican House and a Democratic president could do this.

Maybe.

[QUOTE=Member #2041;428875]Actually, I became convinced Obama would win post Hurricane. I was following the prediction markets and the polling very closely. With the knowledge of someone who understands these polls from a technical perspective, as I used to design market research and polling methodologies professionally a couple of decades ago. It was clear that Romney lost his momentum during and immediately after the storm. Combined with the last debate. The aggregation of all the polls together were all telling the exact same story. By the Sunday Morning talk shows, even the more objective of the Republican talking heads were acknowledging that Romney / Ryan would lose.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure about the impact of the hurricane on the election due in large part to the fact that I am in the middle of the hurricane zone and the election has been off the radar for most around here since before the storm. The one thing I do know is that just as GWB directed Katrina to his New Orleans and its minority population, Obama directed Sandy to hit the tri-state region and all the rich white bankers and white-collar folks.

[QUOTE=Member #2041;428876]No doubt that's really high on Obama's 2nd term to-do list.[/QUOTE]With Bush I was a Shoe-In, my neighbor and friends with his mother plus the Attorney General was a Latino; but alas, nobody wanted to get involved in my case. Just the best attorney, well, the best paid attorney.

COCKSUCKERS!

Shit, I need to send a thank You note for sending me to a country that is custom-made for TL!

Take care,

TL

[QUOTE=Tiny12;428877]Good idea. Speaking of unproductive Americans when was the last time you worked? 2005?[/QUOTE]I have continued to do consulting part time since I retired in late 2005. I still make $50-80K per year working an average of 10-15 hours a week since I retired. Nonetheless, what I am most pleased about is that, when Obamacare fully kicks in in the beginning of 2014, my healthcare costs will be cut in half (I'm a Type II Diabetic) and I expect my insurance to go from nearly $800 / month to somewhere between $400-500 a month with far better coverage and smaller deductibles. BTW, why should I work more than that, when I have an investment portfolio in the seven figures, and already own both my own home and a vacation home in Cabo outright?

BTW, CBS just released the results of their exit polling on the economy, that voters nationally only gave Romney a 1% edge on ability to manage the economy 49-48, with Romney losing on just about EVERY other issue that voters considered to be important.

Thank God Obama is back for another 4 years. God bless America for making the right choice.

[QUOTE=Member #2041; 428882]I have continued to do consulting part time since I retired in late 2005. I still make $50-80K per year working an average of 10-15 hours a week since I retired. Nonetheless, what I am most pleased about is that, when Obamacare fully kicks in in the beginning of 2014, my healthcare costs will be cut in half (I'm a Type II Diabetic, and I expect my insurance to go from nearly $800 / month to somewhere between $400-500 a month with far better coverage and smaller deductibles.

BTW, CBS just released the results of their exit polling on the economy, that voters nationally only gave Romney a 1% edge on ability to manage the economy 49-48, with Romney losing on just about EVERY other issue that voters considered to be important.[/QUOTE]Good luck with your fantasy about Obamacare and reduced costs. I (honestly) hope that you will never fall victim to rationing, since for folks with your condition it often translates into something much more significant than inconvenient timing. Don't forget, with Obamacare, you have absolutely no (repeat "no") coverage the moment you set foot on foreign soil. Unless you want to be a burden on others, you'll need to pick up supplemental insurance as well as evacuation insurance, which will definitely eat into your perceived savings.

However, let's look at this from a wider perspective, you are willing to contribute to the destruction of the Founders' vision for $300-400 / month. That says a lot about you.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 428885]Good luck with your fantasy about Obamacare and reduced costs. I (honestly) hope that you will never fall victim to rationing, since for folks with your condition it often translates into something much more significant than inconvenient timing. Don't forget, with Obamacare, you have absolutely no (repeat "no") coverage the moment you set foot on foreign soil. Unless you want to be a burden on others, you'll need to pick up supplemental insurance as well as evacuation insurance, which will definitely eat into your perceived savings.

However, let's look at this from a wider perspective, you are willing to contribute to the destruction of the Founders' vision for $300-400 / month. That says a lot about you.[/QUOTE]Actually, I have coverage on foreign soil because I have dollars, and I can afford the out-of pocket cash costs in most countries OTHER than the USA. And the fact is, PRIOR to Obamacare, in 2007 I got dropped from a plan where I was paying $240 per month, when my COBRA expired, and forced to go to a HIPAA plan where my costs jumped immediately to $550 per month (now increased to $735) for vastly inferior coverage. Under Obamacare, I am guaranteed the right to be able to buy similar coverage to that which I was dropped in 2007. It will cost more than it did in 2007, but prior to Obamacare, insurance costs were already increasing at close to 15% annually.

And frankly, the Founders said that in their vision, I had an inalienable right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Surely, in the 21st century, that also encompasses the right to have access to purchase healthcare insurance at the same market prices as you, irrespective of my employment situation - as I WAS insured when I was diagnosed, and only was dropped because the employer I had worked for when I got that insurance went out of business.

Regarding productive Americans, weren't all you Republicans and Republicans masquerading themselves as Libertarians screaming about how capital should be untaxed or taxed at preferential rates or whatever? Just because I am not dumb enough to work after I don't need to, doesn't make me unproductive. It means I won. Now, instead of contributing my human capital to the capitalist leeches, I will contribute my surplus capital to the investment pool in exchange for a modest and humble rate of return. The system has worked for me throughout Republican and Democratic administrations alike.

Earn more than you spend and good things will happen. This is true regardless of what you believe 'good things' to be. And, this applies to governments as well. An Obama reined in by a Republican congress is not that bad of a deal. Similarly a Romney reined in by a Democratic senate would not have been the end of the world.

Sometimes the best political strategy is as enunciated by Ferdinand of Castille to the first méxican viceroy: Do little and do it slowly.

So if Obama wanted to reach out to the other side he should eliminate say three government agencies immediately. I would love to see him do that.

It looks like most of You Red Necks only got what Romney wanted, Home Education.

How did that work out?

You and the Midwest and Southern people voted, just want they wanted the Southern 47%ers to vote, they are really the Non-Educated people in Our Country.

They are like the Marines. God bless Them. The Republicans want victims that have little brains and told what to Do, they need only pass to pass the 35% mentality test.

They do not want You that can think.

Because they can not control your mind.

Go Back to School!

Senility is a terrible thing.

Which you Red Necks and Midwestern Noneducational People Need.

Home Education did not work, as Romney said it Would.

He Lied to You.

P.S.
Why is it that some people lose their minds when they are young, or are they misguided?
Hitler was good at that.

The Donald has spoken.

"We should have a revolution in this country!"

[url]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83450.html?hp=r16[/url]

[QUOTE=Member #2041;428876]No doubt that's really high on Obama's 2nd term to-do list.[/QUOTE]But maybe, it was an unpardonable act that he committed.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 428893]Which you Red Necks and Midwestern Noneducational People Need.

Home Education did not work, as Romney said it Would.

He Lied to You.

P. S.

Why is it that some people lose their minds when they are young, or are they misguided?

Hitler was good at that.[/QUOTE]Not everyone has the aptitude to be educated. Some folks are congenitally stupid. For example, some posters here who were consistently in extreme denial as the late polling was clearly breaking toward Obama. I was even told by one of them that major polling organizations do not correct for their known sampling biases. It was all that I could do to control my laughter, as I have designed these sort of polling methodologies in a prior job and it happens to be my area of academic expertise. I won't name names, but anyone who reads the forum back 2 days will be able to figure it out.