Argentine Economy

Enough said. I nominate this post for the "Post of the Decade". We need a new poll. LOL.

Happy Mongering All,

Toymann

[QUOTE=Captain]Finally, its a matter of shame that certain expats live in this country, do business in this country, enjoy the privileges of this country without paying any taxes like a common citizen, fuck pretty girls, the class of whom they can't dream of in their own country and still continue to abuse the host country & its population on a regular basis on public forums! Its apalling, to see their moral ethics! Pardon me for saying this, but it does reflect on such expat's upbringing, background, personality and morality.[/QUOTE]That's rich from a man who entices a cab driver to illegally transport him to the airport to save two dollars.

[QUOTE=Aqualung]That's rich from a man who entices a cab driver to illegally transport him to the airport to save two Dollars[/QUOTE]Ha ha! Entices? Illegally transport him? You are talking as if I put a gun on his head to transport me! Or I did not pay what he asked! Or he smuggled some illegal goods in the taxi!

Aqualung, do not contort the actuality of the events which transpired to forum members who may have recently joined. And who may not know that since the time of that report 2 weeks ago, you have been trying to pick on me, albeit unsuccessfully! ;-)

The truth is that the taxi driver was so happy chatting up with me during our journey to the airport that he even hugged me as we parted ways. He gave me many nice compliments on my generosity ( ha! I know this word will really mess you up!). He felt absolutely satisfied with his remuneration! He was impressed by all the nice compliments,I said about his country and the local people. That is where, it made all the difference. So, i fail to understand Aqualung, why your ass is itching so much since past 2 weeks regarding 2 dollars.

You don't understand what is the meaning of day to day to day economy, do you? Economizing expenditures is normal worldwide practice irrespective of whether you are a tourist or in your home city. You seem to find it funny/harsh/pathetic, so be it!

Gosh!! Aqualung, I think you have gone out of your mind dude, since my post on taxi services to the airport! I suggest you go consult a psychiatrist. You seem to be suffering from the reports we exchanged couple of weeks ago. Maybe, you are having disturbing nightmares.

My post on taxi services was just to advise newbies that its prudent to order from taxi eziza via telephone for going to the airport from city center than trying hailing on the road which can be slightly more expensive and tedious. And since then, you are cribbing about "my trying to save 2 dollars"! damn!! :-)

If you want to keep the "fight"/ exchange of nasty anecdotes on each other on a daily basis, I am game.

[QUOTE=El Queso]All of the expats that I know who live down here pay taxes via VAT. Many of the expats I know who live here contribute in some fashion to Argentina, be it by employing someone, marrying someone and living nicely with them and their family, or what have you, not to mention contributing to VAT.

This idea that if you ***** about the way the worst of a country is that you should shut up or go home, or that you are immoral or have bad upbringing, is assinine.[/QUOTE]El Queso, you are a buddy. Please do not take my posts so personally! You still owe me a warm-up house party!:-)

But coming back to our discussion (strictly on a friendly basis!) Do you honestly believe that you should not be paying income tax on the profits you make from a business set up in this country. Is the VAT, which BTW, any tom, dick and harry pays for anything he or she buys enough to substantiate for the taxes which you should pay to the Argentine government for using the infrastructure of Argentina.

Pardon me for saying so and I apologize a million times for this comment, do you honestly believe that a 50 yr old male does a favor to the local goverment by marrying a pretty albeit poor 25 year old girl for his sexual gratification? Are you serious? !!

[QUOTE=Panos]-------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is my first post here.

These are my predictions. USA and Europe will collapse causing massive unemployment and a total collapse of social security and most services ie health care, banking, travel and all we hold dear. There will be great social unrest and millions will be locked up in the USA.

There will be a postponement of the upcoming elections favouring the Republicans. They will win.

There will be massive wars in the next year and one major one between Russia and United States. Ukraine will be the Catalyst.

Iran will be attacked very very soon.

Argentina will be affected in the short term but in the long term will become one of the worlds most richest countries with millions trying to come here due to its perfect climate and soil that can sustain 10 times its current population. The southern part of South America will be where the New World will prosper and grow in a way that noone will believe now. This will happen within 3 years,

My predictions will all come true[/QUOTE]Who is this CockSucker?

Exon

[QUOTE=Exon123]Who is this CockSucker?

Exon[/QUOTE]Nostradamus or Vanga perhaps?

Regards,

BM

[QUOTE=Toymann]Enough said. I nominate this post for the "Post of the Decade". [/QUOTE]Excellent idea!

I suggest all of you to go to the airport, take the next plane to Los Angeles or any other place in the world, and began the arrangements for the ceremony as soon as posible.

[QUOTE=Julio]No, I think you didn't understand the oppositions I outlined. It isn't a question of nationalities. The oppositions I outlined are between the ones who followed the Market Capitalism as a religion, whatever their nationalities, though we all now where are concentrated the most, and the ones who suffered that.

[snip]

That's the real axis of the conflict I outlined. A question of who has the moral authority to speak now. Not the ones who has brought us all to this, for sure. It isn't an economic problem. It's a moral problem which I'm talking about.

Than you.[/QUOTE]Well, if market capitalism is what has you worked up, I suggest you be clear on what the alternative is. I think you also ought to be prepared to answer the uncomfortable question of what, exactly, has lifted so many out of poverty over the last several decades. Here's a hint, we have no better mechanism to organize resources than market capitalism. Sadly, Argentina has failed to learn the lesson.

As for moral high-ground, the capitalists have the alternatives beat as there has been no greater force known to mankind for unleashing the creative power of mans mind. Just look at the data [1]. Ask the Chinese and the Indians or the Irish. Each of which has seen an incredible explosion of wealth and increased standard of living over the last 20 years due to embarrassing capitalism. Argentina's failure to successfully embrace liberalism should not be laid at the feet of Argentina; full stop.

I'd suggest making a survey of classical liberal thought before falling into the trap of thinking that capitalism is to blame for Argentina's problems.

[1] [url]http://www.gapminder.org/fullscreen.php?file=GapminderMedia/GapTools/HDT05L/application.swf[/url]

[QUOTE=Captain]But coming back to our discussion (strictly on a friendly basis! Do you honestly believe that you should not be paying income tax on the profits you make from a business set up in this country.[/QUOTE]I did not set up a business in this country because the Argentino government would strangle it. I AM doing business here, but that is different than "setting up a business" here in Argentina. However, I know expats here who HAVE setup a business and are paying taxes directly to the government (along with bribes and other iditiotic things necessary to operate).

I pay two types of income taxes in the US! Why in fuck's name would I have to pay income taxes to Argentina? I'm not a resident, I am bringing money / jobs to Argentina, from the States for fuck's sake, not other locations in Argentina. I have a corporation in the States (who pays me) and it by god does business with foreign nationals (who it pays, FROM THE STATES) That corporation pays taxes and I pay taxes.

This is silly!

[QUOTE=Captain]Is the VAT, which BTW, any tom, dick and harry pays for anything he or she buys enough to substantiate for the taxes which you should pay to the Argentine government for using the infrastructure of Argentina.[/QUOTE]First, as to the VAT. Aside from the absolute waste and stealing done by the government (any government, you can include the US too, that's fine by me) of course that money is meant to be used on infrastructure and other things that every Tom Dick and Harry and myself uses. That's why it's a general tax and not a personal or corporate income tax.

Did I mention that I also pay the toll that pays for the highway that takes me to the house I live in? I pass two toll booths.

I pay the rent that the owner of the house I live in uses to pay his property taxes, which also pay for the overhead.

I also pay a maintenance fee in the neighborhood, which goes to paying guard's salaries (and improvements where I actually live) I pay a handyman to do work around the house (at his price) a gardner to take care of the yard (at his price) and a pool man to take care of the pool (at his price)

You still haven't given me a reason to pay income taxes in Argentina! I don't get subsidized by the government for one single thing. The other taxes I pay SHOULD go to infrastructure, but the amount of that that actually makes it to where it should go is directly proportional to the amount of corruption and greed in the system (again, the US is right in there with all the rest) This is silly!

My personal income comes from a US corporation, who in turn receives its income from US companies paying US Dollars to me for services my company renders to them.

Ok, as far as my personal income, you'll never convince me (nor probably a VERY large percentage of humantiy) that I should also be paying an Argentine income.

In fact, I believe that the Argentine government would agree with me.

This is from a personal standpoint.

[edited to remove private information]

[QUOTE=Captain]

Pardon me for saying so and I apologize a million times for this comment, do you honestly believe that a 50 yr old male does a favor to the local goverment by marrying a pretty albeit poor 25 year old girl for his sexual gratification? Are you serious?[/QUOTE]Captain, I'm sorry but to me your words are full ignorance and, intentional or not, full of personal bite.

First, very, very, very few men will marry a young girl for sexual gratification. I certainly didn't.

I'm not yet 50, but I'm a lot older than my wife. Yes, so the fuck what?

But to answer your question in the broadest sense, OF COURSE a 50 year old guy marrying a 25 year old poor woman does the local government a favor. And if he's a halfway decent guy and can afford it, more than just her directly. One less mouth to feed, one less person to worry about, one less possible statistic walking around in an unsavory way of life. Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?

Now, if the man forced the girl to go to the marriage clerk with threat to the girl's family that he would kill them all if she didn't marry him, well, that's a BAD THING, obviously.

But if the girl is all for it? WTF dude? Do you want her to continue to have a shitty life, and always be close to the verge of the government having to take care of her? What world are you from?

Now, is there love? Very possibly so (in my case, there is no doubt. You can ask anyone who knows both me and my wife personally and I don't think you'd ever get a hesitation on that answer. You have never met my wife and don't have the priviledge of discussing my relationship with her as a result. But next time you are in town, perhaps a learning experience is in store for you - you can meet her and we'll even go to her family's house together;) but if there's not love and it is for "sexual gratification", I can tell you for sure that what the man will get from the relationship will be far worse than the girl.

Now, to get a little more personal since you brought it up, I'll talk a little about my situation.

I married a young Paraguayan. I have been to her family's home. I don't know if you can really imagine the actually poverty. I could be wrong, but from the way you've talked you haven't seen much of the truly shitty conditions in your own country (I have) much less the real poverty in South America (much less, I mean, for the region not being your own country) This is poverty that again, most poor people in the US and Europe (I should have included them earlier in my previous statement similar to this, previous post) wouldn't even be able to imagine.

I married her, and I am helping her family. I'm not giving them money, I'm investing in them and equipment that they need to do business, something most (all? South American governments wouldn't be bothered to do to support the poor in their own countries.

You want to talk about morals? You come here to South America, you stay in nice places, you hobnob with well-off Argentinos (maybe) who mostly don't have a clue really how their own maids and such live (but I do - I can expand on that if you care to get into it) and fuck all the pretty girls you talked about and don't pay taxes (except IVA / VAT) and don't contribute to the local job market and don't really do anything but spend tourist dollars?

Who are you to lecture us about morals, dude?

From where I sit, my little corner of the world (AND ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE WITHIN MY INFLUENCE, please realise) is doing a lot better then it was two years ago when I started my capitalist business.

I feel just fine about my morals. I also feel fine about capitilism.

[QUOTE=Captain]Ha ha! Entices? Illegally transport him? You are talking as if I put a gun on his head to transport me! Or I did not pay what he asked! Or he smuggled some illegal goods in the taxi!

Aqualung, do not contort the actuality of the events which transpired to forum members who may have recently joined. And who may not know that since the time of that report 2 weeks ago, you have been trying to pick on me, albeit unsuccessfully!;-)

The truth is that the taxi driver was so happy chatting up with me during our journey to the airport that he even hugged me as we parted ways. He gave me many nice compliments on my generosity (ha! I know this word will really mess you up! He felt absolutely satisfied with his remuneration! He was impressed by all the nice compliments, I said about his country and the local people. That is where, it made all the difference. So, I fail to understand Aqualung, why your ass is itching so much since past 2 weeks regarding 2 dollars.

You don't understand what is the meaning of day to day to day economy, do you? Economizing expenditures is normal worldwide practice irrespective of whether you are a tourist or in your home city. You seem to find it funny / harsh / pathetic, so be it!

Gosh! Aqualung, I think you have gone out of your mind dude, since my post on taxi services to the airport! I suggest you go consult a psychiatrist. You seem to be suffering from the reports we exchanged couple of weeks ago. Maybe, you are having disturbing nightmares.

My post on taxi services was just to advise newbies that its prudent to order from taxi eziza via telephone for going to the airport from city center than trying hailing on the road which can be slightly more expensive and tedious. And since then, you are cribbing about "my trying to save 2 dollars"! Damn!:-)

If you want to keep the "fight"/ exchange of nasty anecdotes on each other on a daily basis, I am game.[/QUOTE]A cab driver that accepts to take you to the airport with the clock off is a driver and not the owner of the car so all the money is pocketed by him and he doesn't give the owner his share. That is robbery and anywhere in the World robbery is illegal. No, you didn't put a gun to his head but you are accessory to an illegal act.

And, of course, if you helped him steal from his boss he would be absolutely satisfied and eager to hug you for your generosity.

I find that it's you that doesn't understand the point here like you seem to miss the point on a few other posts. You come to Argentina for a few weeks and you think you know the whole deal.

[QUOTE=Aqualung]A cab driver that accepts to take you to the airport with the clock off is a driver and not the owner of the car so all the money is pocketed by him and he doesn't give the owner his share. That is robbery and anywhere in the World robbery is illegal. No, you didn't put a gun to his head but you are accessory to an illegal act.

And, of course, if you helped him steal from his boss he would be absolutely satisfied and eager to hug you for your generosity.

I find that it's you that doesn't understand the point here like you seem to miss the point on a few other posts. You come to Argentina for a few weeks and you think you know the whole deal.[/QUOTE]Ok, Point taken. I really have no clue who is the owner of the cab as long as I reach my destination and the driver part ways with me with a smile on his face. Any taxi, one takes anywhere in the world, one is just bothered about reaching the destination, who has the time to investigate the owner of the cab. If a taxi driver of a foreign country wants to go without the meter, that is purely his problem. That I am accessory in crime sounds very ridiculous to me, because having traveled more than 50 odd, 3rd world countries, in various continents, I noticed that taxi meters are more often than not, rarely referred to. How it benefits the taxi driver or how it harms the owner of the taxi is least of my concern, as long I reach my destination and can afford to pay the amount asked of me.

Well, I have never claimed to know the whole deal about Argentina. It takes a lifetime to really get to know a country and its culture in totality but surely if one is very well traveled in South America (which I am), it does not really take long to figure out most things about Argentina in 3 months.

Finally, just because you stay there, 8-10 months a year and speak the local language fluently does not also necessarily mean that you know the full plot either.

Looking forward to your next nasty anecdote, kind of enjoying the exchange now!

[QUOTE=El Queso]You want to talk about morals? You come here to South America, you stay in nice places, you hobnob with well-off Argentinos (maybe) who mostly don't have a clue really how their own maids and such live (but I do - I can expand on that if you care to get into it) and fuck all the pretty girls you talked about and don't pay taxes (except IVA / VAT) and don't contribute to the local job market and don't really do anything but spend tourist dollars?[/QUOTE]El Queso,

You are a very sensitive guy. When ever we have any discussion on the board, you take it personally on your self, and then you start getting annoyed.

We have shared many drinks together and have many common friends, so I want to refrain from taking you on, word by word on your last argument, but believe me I can.

Purely on legal terms and following the international immigration policy, no one has a right to start any business in Argentina or do any work in Argentina or employ anyone in Argentina, and enter the country as a tourist. The person intending so, should be on a business or a work visa. The person should have a proper DNI, CUIL and other tax related documents. The person should register his business with chamber of commerce or similar in Argentina. The person should have proper legal contracts with the local employees and the tax on their monthly incomes, deducted on source be submitted to the government following the appropriate procedures prescribed.

However, I do not want to get personal about it. If you can get away with it, good for you.

Regarding your wife, I am sorry, I do not wish to discuss it as it is not ethical to discuss someone's wife in a public forum. You should not have taken my comment personally. It was a general statement.

Having said this and generally speaking, I find it very difficult to digest that a 25 year old poor but pretty girl from a 2nd or 3rd world country being madly in love with a 50 year old average looking rich man from a 1st world country. I call it the most convenient form of "love" in this world, where the rich and the poor / old and the young / beauty and the beast amalgamate for the convenience of both.

Regarding you helping the local people by employing them or by marrying a local/helping her family. All sounds good on reading but the fact of the matter is that charity is no charity if personal gains are involved. I do not want to elaborate further. Further, people who do real charity do it anonymously, they do not shout from rooftops to the world " hey, I just helped a poor person from a poor country!!" Do I need to elaborate further on the basic rules of charity?

Regarding me coming for few weeks and spending money as tourist. Well, that is what a tourist is supposed to be doing worldwide. Come, shop, play, spend money in the country and go back. That is why tourists are encouraged in most countries in the world because the country benefits the most without having much to give back in return.

Their is no use saying nasty things about Argentina or any other country for that matter. It is just a matter of chance that someone is born in a first world country and someone born in a 3rd world country. If one is born in a rich country, it does not mean he or she did something heroic to achieve that! Same way, if one is born in a poor country, it doesnt mean he or she should be ashamed of it!

No, you are wrong. I was never dictating morals to you. My remark was general. That is to respect the country where you happen to enjoy great lifestyle because of the economic condition of the country and because the local immigration is allowing you to enter it, thanks to the power of your passport which you got by virtue of being born in a first world country. So appreciate it and thank your luck till it lasts. If reincarnations exists (I doubt though) you may not be so lucky next time.

I have a few questions about the Argentine way of doing business - and these are honest questions that may get a debate going and in no way trying to be clever on my part.

For example - Rock Harders' experience with bars and providers and so on. I have found that most bars I know are owned by Gallegos (Spaniards) or at the most first generation Argies. Same for bakers and most providers for bars and restaurants etc. Take for example Exedra - The new owners are Spanish!

The same in most businesses, Italians or Spanish or, again, first generation Argentine with the original (foreigner) head of the clan making the real decisions.

Even politics and government officials are at the very most second generation Argentines from European stock in most cases second World war refugees here since the mid 40's.

Is it something in the Malbec wines or in the steak that causes the people to have less moral scruples or even according to some posts to have smaller penises.

The only genetic difference I find between Argentina and the US is that in the mix there is more Spanish blood here and more Anglo Saxon blood in the States. The percentage of the rest in the mix (German, French, Irish, Jewish or whatever) is quite similar. So what is the ingredient that makes Argentines stupid and Americans smart? Once again, too much malbec and beef?

And both countries have a similar history at least their three or four hundred years of existence compared to a couple of thousand years for any European country.

[QUOTE=Captain]Ok, Point taken. I really have no clue who is the owner of the cab as long as I reach my destination and the driver part ways with me with a smile on his face.

Well, I never claim to know the whole deal about Argentina. It takes a lifetime to really get to know a country and its culture in totality.

Finally, just because you stay there, 8-10 months a year and speak the local language fluently does not also necessarily mean that you know the full plot either.

Looking forward to your next nasty anecdote, kind of enjoying the exchange now![/QUOTE]No Captain. No nasty exchange. I feel you caught on to my point so I have no intention of getting into any further feud with you. You have contributed with many very useful post here. It's just that in a thread about Argentine corrupt business practices you post about how you (unknowingly I admit) add to that corruption by striking a deal with a cab driver.

And to new mongers, using the Ezeiza Cab service is cheaper (though I can assure you I don't know how they can "legally" keep those prices)

A cheaper way if you have the time and don't have a lot of luggage is to use the shuttle bus from the airport or the 86 regular bus. Another option is to take the bus (I don't remember the number) from the airport to Ezeiza town and then the train to Constitucion.

For those that prefer security or who place a price on their time. From town to the airport hire a renown Remise service.

No hard feelings Captain and next time you are in town the beer is on me.

[QUOTE=Captain]El Queso,

You are a very sensitive guy. When ever we have any discussion on the board, you take it personally on your self, and then you start getting annoyed.[/QUOTE]I get sensitive when you get personal, talk about things that you really don't know much about, and act like an authority on said things after 2 months of touristing around a place where I, and other people that you insulted, live.

I can promise you that had you acted the same in person I would have been just as insulted and annoyed.

[QUOTE=Captain]We have shared many drinks together and have many common friends, so I want to refrain from taking you on, word by word on your last argument, but believe me I can.[/QUOTE]Whatever.

[QUOTE=Captain]Purely on legal terms and following the international immigration policy, no one has a right to start any business in Argentina or do any work in Argentina or employ anyone in Argentina, and enter the country as a tourist. The person intending so, should be on a business or a work visa. The person should have a proper DNI, CUIL and other tax related documents. The person should register his business with chamber of commerce or similar in Argentina. The person should have proper legal contracts with the local employees and the tax on their monthly incomes, deducted on source be submitted to the government following the appropriate procedures prescribed.

However, I do not want to get personal about it. If you can get away with it, good for you.[/QUOTE]I am not working in Argentina, and the visa on which I am here clearly states that I can be here for business meetings. I am not working for any Argentine company and I get NO money from any Argentine source. That visa is issued by the Argentine government and by that same government is renewable on a regular basis. I have a US corporation that employs people legally.

The fact that you obviously think no one should be independent enough to be a contractor and work for themselves is very telling about your politics.

I resent the fact that you are insinuating, or have previously insinuated, that I am doing anything immoral. Do I need to quote you? How more personal can you get than insulting a person's morals? Talking "in general" doesn't really mean much to the person you're talking about when it is an unjust statement.

[QUOTE=Captain]Regarding your wife, I am sorry, I do not wish to discuss it as it is not ethical to discuss someone's wife in a public forum. You should not have taken my comment personally. It was a general statement. [/QUOTE]Get off your moral high horse. It was generic about the description of my wife and our relationship. Those who know me know her and where she comes from. For the rest, we are an authentic example of what you can't believe.

[QUOTE=Captain]Having said this and generally speaking, I find it very difficult to digest that a 25 year old poor girl from a 2nd or 3rd world country being madly in love with a 50 year old average looking rich man from a 1st world country. I call it the most convenient form of "love" in this world, where the rich and the poor / old and the young / beauty and the beast amalgamate for the convenience of both.[/QUOTE]Who really gives a load of crap what you think about something like that? It's personal and you know nothing about it. But you're welcome to your own opinions.

[QUOTE=Captain]Regarding me coming for few weeks and spending money as tourist. Well, that is what a tourist is supposed to be doing worldwide. Come, shop, play, spend money in the country and go back. That is why tourists are encouraged in most countries in the world because the country benefits the most without having much to give back in return.[/QUOTE]I don't have a problem with that. Perhaps you missed the point that it was about the "morality" of what you do versus the "morality" of what I do and how you can talk about another's morailty. Some cultures see what you do as a monger as a disgusting immorality (I don't - but who is right?

I see my activities as net gain in the world for more than one person, I see your activities as benefiting primarily yourself and in a small way a few people for a very short period of time, in the amount of money you spend while visiting.

You can happily not worry about how things are here because you don't live here. You criticize us for having feelings because of the way everyday things impact a person who lives here as more than a tourist and don't really feel or experience what we do.

We still like the place enough to be here, and that is our personal decision. But we probably bitched about every place we've ever lived (even in the States, damn it! In some fashion or the other.

[QUOTE=Captain]Their is no use saying nasty things about Argentina or any other country for that matter. It is just a matter of chance that someone is born in a first world country and someone born in a 3rd world country. If one is born in a rich country, it does not mean he or she did something heroic to achieve that! Same way, if one is born in a poor country, it doesnt mean he or she should be ashamed of it![/QUOTE]You miss the point of everything said on here about the way things are done in other countries AND the US (as Sydney pointed out that we are as well critical of the US, perhpas not in the same way you are)

It doesn't matter where you were born. It matters how you live and who you help and what you do with your life. There are ways to change things, but the surest way to ensure that things stay the same is not to be-I-t-c-h or do anything else about it. Enough bitching by enough people and things generally change. Instead of blaming everyone else, get off one's ass and change things.

If you are so concerned about the difference between a third world life and a first world life, what are you doing about it? Those of us who live down here, often in small ways, sometimes in larger, are doing something.

[QUOTE=Captain]No, you are wrong. I was never talking about your morals. My remark was general. That is to respect the country where you happen to enjoy great lifestyle because of the economic condition of the country and because immigration is allowing you to enter it, thanks to the power of your passport which you got by virtue of being born in a first world country. So appreciate it and thank your luck. If reincarnations exists (I doubt) you may not be so lucky next time.[/QUOTE]No, you are wrong. You were very pointed in your statements about what you were saying. You did not have to talk the way you did about a lot of people that are living here because you think they should shut up and enjoy where they are. We have made these comments through experiences we have had here, not because we are naturally cranky assholes. We have earned the right to be-I-t-c-h.

You choose to look at it that we are in a paradise and we should just lay back and enjoy it. I say that there is no such thing as paradise, in any country anywhere and you should talk about what is not right and let people know. If people think that greed and corruption and bad service are good things, then be happy and don't read about posts like this.