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[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 428893]Which you Red Necks and Midwestern Noneducational People Need.
Home Education did not work, as Romney said it Would.
He Lied to You.
P. S.
Why is it that some people lose their minds when they are young, or are they misguided?
Hitler was good at that.[/QUOTE]You are either drunk or dumber than a bag full of hammers.
[url]http://news.msn.com/politics/election-day-2012-ballot-initiatives[/url]
Smoke it if you got it!
The USA stock futures markets are now only very slightly in the negative (like -0.2%) and all the international stock exchanges are significantly in the positive, for those who were wondering what the rest of the world thought of this election.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/us/politics/obama-romney-presidential-election-2012.html?_r=0[/url]
Only in the make-believe world of fox news and the radical right wing is Obama a radical anything. George Bush, the younger, committed more class warfare and income redistribution than than Barack ever even imagined.
A decent & intellligent man, the victim Milt Romney was strangled by the Tea Party. No other wounds or marks found on body & limbs.
[QUOTE=Dickhead;428887]Just because I am not dumb enough to work after I don't need to, doesn't make me unproductive.[/QUOTE]Actually it does. I figured you were still working. If you and Member #2041 (who I directed that comment at) are not it's a waste, as you're both very intelligent and capable of accomplishing good things. Seriously, either that or you've got the wool pulled over my eyes. You'd probably need to get over your obsession with grammar and spelling before you could accomplish anything truly great though.
[QUOTE=Dickhead; 428887]Earn more than you spend and good things will happen.
So if Obama wanted to reach out to the other side he should eliminate say three government agencies immediately. I would love to see him do that.[/QUOTE]That I agree wholeheartedly with.
[QUOTE=Tiny12; 428913]Actually it does. I figured you were still working. If you and Member #2041 (who I directed that comment at) are not it's a waste, as you're both very intelligent and capable of accomplishing good things. Seriously, either that or you've got the wool pulled over my eyes. You'd probably need to get over your obsession with grammar and spelling before you could accomplish anything truly great though.
That I agree wholeheartedly with.[/QUOTE]And I admit, there is very little that I could be doing in this world, that is LESS productive than attempting to educate the right wingers on this venue. Which is why, after I am done gloating in a day or two, I will cease to post here. But first, shouldn't someone do a well-being check on El Alamo, who, I fear, may have harmed himself as a result of this election, and who has not posted here ever since reality set in? He did, after all, attempt to show me that I didn't understand why Gallup and Rassmussen were the only pollsters who could be trusted on this Election. And I admit, I STILL don't understand why that is the case. But I appreciated the entertainment value of his claim, as I always enjoy a good joke, even if the person telling it believes that they are actually serious.
[QUOTE=Black Shirt;428911]A decent & intellligent man, the victim Milt Romney was strangled by the Tea Party. No other wounds or marks found on body & limbs.[/QUOTE]IMHO, the reason he lost was cognitive dissonance amongst the Right, and the attempt to create an alternate reality out of whole cloth:
Romney and the Republicans attempted to frame their opponent as a Kenyan Muslim Marxist, rather than what he was, which was a Black American of mixed descent who had actually successfully lived the American dream. In doing this, the rational center of the electorate was repelled by the ridiculousness of the Republican alternative.
Here's the facts: This nonsense, and the complete laughingstock that the Republican Party presented to the American Public during the primaries, actually ended up handing the race to Obama, despite the persistent 8% unemployment, despite the failure to make progress on the deficit, despite the inability to connect with his own progressive constituency, and despite Obama's inability to martial the public to support him in his battles with an intransigent Congress. By kowtowing to the lunatic fringe of the Republican religious zealots in the primaries, the birthers, loonies, and morons who are still out there demanding Obama's school transcripts, Romney insured that the ambivalent folks in the center would be horrified by the prospects of him winning.
The guy who was a pragmatic centrist Governor of Massachussetts, had he actually CONSISTENTLY run that way from the start, would have defeated Obama in the General Election WITH EASE. Heck, even I might have voted for him. Of course, that guy could never have gotten the nomination from what has become a genuinely scary Republican base with sensibilities right out of the 19th century with respect to race, gender, and social progress. It wasn't enough for Romney to be a reasonable guy for one night during the first debate - we all saw what he was saying during the primaries - about women, about Hispanics, about civil liberties, about Supreme Court niominees, and about unbalanced slashing and burning of the entire Social Security and Medicare programs, all while leaving Defense untouched, and biasing the financial costs of the nation's recovery on the back of the Middle class so that his wealthy benefactors avoided paying their share of the burden. And That Guy will NEVER win in the general election, even against about as weak a candidate from the other side as the Republicans could EVER hope to face, in as weak an economy as any incumbent has EVER run in and yet still emerged victorious.
[QUOTE=Member #2041;428915]By kowtowing to the lunatic fringe of the Republican religious zealots in the primaries, the birthers, loonies, and morons who are still out there demanding Obama's school transcripts, Romney insured that the ambivalent folks in the center would be horrified by the prospects of him winning.[/QUOTE]Bullshit.
They voted for the guy they thought was the most likely to give them free money.
Thanks,
Jackson
[QUOTE=Jackson; 428916]Bullshit.
They voted for the guy they thought was the most likely to give them free money.
Thanks,
Jackson[/QUOTE]As I said in my prior post. There is very little that I could do on this planet that is LESS productive an endeavor than attempting to educate the righties in this particular venue. Thanks for the existence proof.
[QUOTE=Member #2041;428917]As I said in my prior post. There is very little that I could do on this planet that is LESS productive an endeavor than attempting to educate the righties in this particular venue. Thanks for the existence proof.[/QUOTE]As I said in my entire life. There is very little that I could do on this planet that is LESS productive an endeavor than attempting to educate the lefties in any particular venue. Thanks for the existence proof.
[QUOTE=Jackson;428918]As I said in my entire life. There is very little that I could do on this planet that is LESS productive an endeavor than attempting to educate the lefties in any particular venue. Thanks for the existence proof.[/QUOTE]It's true. You are unable to educate those who are more enlightened than yourself. Gotta run - I think my point has been made.
But one last thing - Seriously, has anyone checked to see that El Alamo hasn't killed himself over the election results? I mean, it must be tough when an entire false reality that one has created around themselves comes crashing down from a head-on collision with the facts
[QUOTE=Toymann;428843]kiss my ass David33.[/QUOTE]You have been shown up on the forum as a blowhard, a fake, a cheater and a scumbag (for the few who already didn't realize that). Many on the forum are afraid to face you because you will then begin to abuse them in your customary hysterical ungrammatical posts. I have called you out as a coward and a fake. I would have paid off the bet had your Mormon won. But that is the difference between you and me and why I am respected on the forums and you aren't. Too bad you don't have any self respect because then you would go away and AP would be better off. But since you obviously don't have a life without AP, I imagine you will linger on until Jackson hopefully decides that your negativity on the forum is not worth the few bucks he gets from renting you a room and bans you. The majority of AP forum members and myself will count the days until that happens. Until then, everytime you start to brag about how much money you are supposed to have, all will remember that you weasled out of a bet to avoid paying a measily $350. Those are the facts and you can keep whining and posting personal insults; talk is cheap but actions are what count. Everytime a forum member meets you he will remember you as the loser who welched on his bet.
Anyone who knows me personally is aware that $350 is no big deal for me. Its not about the dollars, its about PUTTING YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. This is why I took the bet. As far as I'm concerned showing up Toymann for what he really is (to anyone who didn't already know), is worth far more than $350.
The case is closed.
I wish to congratulate the liberals / democrats and President Obama upon his reelection.
I find it disheartening to see those liberals / Democrats on the board are unable to be magnanimous in victory or conduct themselves with any sense of dignity or deportment upon their victory.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;428877]Good idea. Speaking of unproductive Americans when was the last time you worked? 2005?[/QUOTE]That comment shows why you are one of the few who defend Toymann."Insults are the last refuge of the out-argued".
[QUOTE=David_33;428922]That comment shows why you are one of the few who defend Toymann."Insults are the last refuge of the out-argued".[/QUOTE]It actually wasn't entirely an insult. Read my other post. I think Member #2041 is formidable and underutilized.
[QUOTE=Tiny12; 428913]Actually it does. I figured you were still working. If you and Member #2041 (who I directed that comment at) are not it's a waste, as you're both very intelligent and capable of accomplishing good things. Seriously, either that or you've got the wool pulled over my eyes. You'd probably need to get over your obsession with grammar and spelling before you could accomplish anything truly great though.
That I agree wholeheartedly with.[/QUOTE]I am still working but not very much. I have accomplished what I set out to accomplish as far as work goes and am concentrating on other things. You are probably one of the many workaholics. Now THOSE people have the wool pulled over their eyes! One of the things I was told when I was training for the cushy government job I once had with the postal service,"Any idiot can carry a [B]long[/B] route. I have reached a respectable retirement age and I have no heirs, so why take work away from someone else? It is just my little way of redistributing wealth. Regarding the agencies, how many Cabinet members are there now as compared to say fifty years ago? I would combine commerce and interior; and go back to when there was a single secretary of health, education, and welfare.
Remember now, we want to do this kind of slowly. We want to shoot for a nice long, moderate expansion. Cut the deficit by 5% this year and as the recovery strengthens, go for maybe 10%. Cutting the deficit by 20% in four years would be good progress. And don't go fuck with the good potheads of WA and CO because that would be a huge waste of resources.
I agree the Republicans could have won with a more moderate approach. I think two comments cost Romney the election: the 47% thing and telling students to borrow money from their parents. If we want to save some resources, I suggest that any student who does not get a 2.0 in his or her freshman year loses all financial aid. Let those fuckers go to work for a few years.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 428921]I wish to congratulate the liberals / democrats and President Obama upon his reelection.
I find it disheartening to see those liberals / Democrats on the board are unable to be magnanimous in victory or conduct themselves with any sense of dignity or deportment upon their victory.[/QUOTE]Sadly, this reaction should be expected brother. Bad losers also make bad winners. Congrats Esten, it was close but you were right. Pm me for your travel schedule next year. Happy mongering all. Toymann
He, He, He The "Mormon MotherFucking CockSucker" Lost.
Exon
[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 428921]I wish to congratulate the liberals / democrats and President Obama upon his reelection.
I find it disheartening to see those liberals / Democrats on the board are unable to be magnanimous in victory or conduct themselves with any sense of dignity or deportment upon their victory.[/QUOTE]Hey I'm not doing a happy dance. Though I'm more of a progressive / apathist than a liberal / democrat.
As far as Member 2041 you guys have been beating the crap out of him for months and he has taken on all comers. As Tiny12 said "Member #2041 is formidable" I think he's earned a victory lap, besides anybody who couldn't see he would gloat needs to get their glasses changed. His hunger for gloating is only eclipsed by his hunger for a certain something, something on Calle Paraguay.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 428921]I wish to congratulate the liberals / democrats and President Obama upon his reelection.
I find it disheartening to see those liberals / Democrats on the board are unable to be magnanimous in victory or conduct themselves with any sense of dignity or deportment upon their victory.[/QUOTE]Magnanimity best expressed by posting nothing at all....or almost nothing.
Fuck the presidential election. WEED WINS. And the fact it did so in two states and not just one means these fuckers are going to have to address the issue. Smoke it if you got it. And I got it. I think even El Jefe can get on board with this one.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;428924]It actually wasn't entirely an insult. Read my other post. I think Member #2041 is formidable and underutilized.[/QUOTE]Perhaps, but what he is, is content with his life.
[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz; 428928]Hey I'm not doing a happy dance. Though I'm more of a progressive / apathist than a liberal / democrat.
As far as Member 2041 you guys have been beating the crap out of him for months and he has taken on all comers. As Tiny12 said "Member #2041 is formidable" I think he's earned a victory lap, besides anybody who couldn't see he would gloat needs to get their glasses changed. His hunger for gloating is only eclipsed by his hunger for a certain something, something on Calle Paraguay.[/QUOTE]That being said, I have left you all with a gift. Although I seriously doubt that you will have the sense to recognize it as such (although one righty on this forum has already complimented me on it in a Private Message). My post #2090 in this thread genuinely represents my best advice to all of you. And it was offered without malice, or sarcasm, or the gloating that many of my other posts of the past day have contained. If the right wing here, and in the rest of the Republican party actually took it to heart, they could again become a viable, positive force in American politics. And even for me as a moderate Democratic-leaning person, I would appreciate that sort of a useful counterweight to the often overly entitlement-leaning orthodoxy of the Democratic Party. Just not one that panders to the Religious Right Zealotry that has come to dominate the Present-day Republican party.
The Right Wing has become marginalized by their unwillingness to deal in facts, and in science, and in objectivity. When they don't like objective reality, they disregard it, and create their own false reality, rather than actually dealing with the truth and crafting LEGITIMATE arguments that address the real world. And that is what Re-elected Barack Obama.
[QUOTE=Dickhead;428931]Fuck the presidential election. WEED WINS. And the fact it did so in two states and not just one means these fuckers are going to have to address the issue. Smoke it if you got it. And I got it. I think even El Jefe can get on board with this one.[/QUOTE]DH this is just for you
[QUOTE=Member #2041;428919]You are unable to educate those who are more enlightened than yourself.[/QUOTE]It's got nothing to do with "education" or "enlightenment".
You're selling dependency, but I'm interested in self-reliance and personal responsibility.
You're selling prejudice against those who work hard and succeed, but I'm interested in equal opportunity but not guaranteed outcome.
You're selling out of control borrowing and spending, but I'm interested in living within our fiscal means.
You're selling bigger government, but I'm interested in a smaller, less intrusive government.
And on and on and on...
Thanks,
Jackson
[QUOTE=Member #2041;428933]...has become marginalized by their unwillingness to deal in facts, and in science, and in objectivity. When they don't like objective reality, they disregard it, and create their own false reality, rather than actually dealing with the truth and crafting LEGITIMATE arguments that address the real world. And that is what Re-elected Barack Obama.[/QUOTE]WOW! That's EXACTLY how I see the Democrats!
Thank you, DR. Rest assured my apartment would appear similar from an aerial view right now. Regarding what #2041 said, if I got the number right, I wonder if the Republican party could split with the insane religious zealots going one way and the pragmatic supply siders maybe joining the Libertarians. If that happened, maybe some fiscally conservative Democrats would defect to the Libertarians. Right now I don't think the Libertarian party appeals to those Democrats because their plans for fiscal contraction are too extreme. I would consider it a good thing if a viable third party could emerge. Even if a third party could get 10% of the vote, it would result in more coalition building and consensus seeking, which I believe is what is needed right now. A frequent criticism of this kind of '10%' situation is that the third party then holds the other two hostage. I am sort of okay with that idea. The 10%ers put everybody else in a room and say now you fuckers work it out. The Libertarians could be that party, if they themselves moderate a bit. If they moderate too much then they will be viewed as sell-outs so it is a fine line to walk.
[QUOTE=Jackson;428939]WOW! That's EXACTLY how I see the Democrats![/QUOTE]Which, as I said, is emblematic of the problem at hand, and why your side got it's ass handed to it yesterday.
[QUOTE=Dickhead;428940]Thank you, DR. Rest assured my apartment would appear similar from an aerial view right now. Regarding what #2041 said, if I got the number right, I wonder if the Republican party could split with the insane religious zealots going one way and the pragmatic supply siders maybe joining the Libertarians. If that happened, maybe some fiscally conservative Democrats would defect to the Libertarians. Right now I don't think the Libertarian party appeals to those Democrats because their plans for fiscal contraction are too extreme. I would consider it a good thing if a viable third party could emerge. Even if a third party could get 10% of the vote, it would result in more coalition building and consensus seeking, which I believe is what is needed right now. A frequent criticism of this kind of '10%' situation is that the third party then holds the other two hostage. I am sort of okay with that idea. The 10%ers put everybody else in a room and say now you fuckers work it out. The Libertarians could be that party, if they themselves moderate a bit. If they moderate too much then they will be viewed as sell-outs so it is a fine line to walk.[/QUOTE]The other issue with Libertarianism is that, while they give lip-service to laissez-faire foreign policy, and real personal freedoms in individual beliefs and conduct, they don't really believe it in the fiber of their bones the way that they do about not being taxed by the government. If the tenets of Libertarianism that appeal to Democrats were hewn to as aggressively as the tenets that appeal to Republicans are, a significant portion of Democrats WOULD be attracted to it. But the Libertarian movement really DOESN'T give those tenets their true passion, the way that they do the anti-tax and anti-government message. If my right to live freely and equally as an Atheist were as aggressively defended as righties desire not to be taxed is defended, the movement would have some coherence and consistency. But it really does not, and is not fooling anyone.
People like me and Jackson want the same thing at the end of the day but have come to view each other as such polar opposites that we can look at the same set of conditions and circumstances and come to completely opposite conclusions. That is a fuck of a lot better situation than Stalin or Stroessner or even Plutarco Calles, where we would both have to come to someone else's conclusion or get shot. It is like Keynes and Hayek, fundamentally different starting points. Sometimes the US pisses me off but the political process here is better than in most places. We just had an election and last I heard out of a country of 310 million or whatever it is, the difference in the popular vote is 90, 000 or something like that, an amazingly small difference. Yet there will not be a revolution either way. That whole electoral college thing is bullshit but we will have to live with that.
Now I suggest both sides move to the center for the sake of sheer efficiency, because the extreme shit is not going to happen.
[QUOTE=Member #2041;428942]The other issue with Libertarianism is that, while they give lip-service to laissez-faire foreign policy, and real personal freedoms in individual beliefs and conduct, they don't really believe it in the fiber of their bones the way that they do about not being taxed by the government. If the tenets of Libertarianism that appeal to Democrats were hewn to as aggressively as the tenets that appeal to Republicans are, a significant portion of Democrats WOULD be attracted to it. But the Libertarian movement really DOESN'T give those tenets their true passion, the way that they do the anti-tax and anti-government message. If my right to live freely and equally as an Atheist were as aggressively defended as righties desire not to be taxed is defended, the movement would have some coherence and consistency. But it really does not, and is not fooling anyone.[/QUOTE]When I went to see Jim Gray, it is definitely the case that once the discussion moved from tax to health care and exactly how the whole money thing would work, he fuzzed out completely. The Libertarians need to do more economic research and put their numbers together in a way that can be taken seriously, and address health care in some coherent fashion even if it is to say fuck you, you are on your own. Gray flat out embarrassed himself there.
[QUOTE=Dickhead;428931]Fuck the presidential election. WEED WINS. And the fact it did so in two states and not just one means these fuckers are going to have to address the issue. Smoke it if you got it. And I got it. I think even El Jefe can get on board with this one.[/QUOTE]Here here, but worth noting that even under the guidance of the "communist" Obama, the Feds are not on board with this. But hey, one small step for man.
[QUOTE=Jackson; 428916]Bullshit.
They voted for the guy they thought was the most likely to give them free money.
Thanks,
Jackson[/QUOTE]Wrong. The deciding votes were cast by working class white voters, women, and hispanics who were voting AGAINST Romney, much more so than FOR Obama. As I stated months ago, Romney was a terrible candidate and the Republicans signed their own death warrant in this election by nominating him. How can anyone with half a brain expect to win an election in the USA today when they take extreme hardline positions against these groups (Romney's anti abortion, anti immigrant, anti-auto bailout stances sank his ship). Many news commentators were speculating that the Republicans are finished as a catch all party because of changing demographics but I actually do not believe this. If the Republicans come up with a middle of the road candidate that doesn't take hardline social positions and doesn't have a history as a corporate raider they could very well win in 2016.
[QUOTE=Dickhead; 428943]People like me and Jackson want the same thing at the end of the day but have come to view each other as such polar opposites that we can look at the same set of conditions and circumstances and come to completely opposite conclusions. That is a fuck of a lot better situation than Stalin or Stroessner or even Plutarco Calles, where we would both have to come to someone else's conclusion or get shot. It is like Keynes and Hayek, fundamentally different starting points. Sometimes the US pisses me off but the political process here is better than in most places. We just had an election and last I heard out of a country of 310 million or whatever it is, the difference in the popular vote is 90, 000 or something like that, an amazingly small difference. Yet there will not be a revolution either way. That whole electoral college thing is bullshit but we will have to live with that.
Now I suggest both sides move to the center for the sake of sheer efficiency, because the extreme shit is not going to happen.[/QUOTE]The difference in the popular vote was more like 3 Million, once the West Coast returns came in. Obama had OVER 50% of the vote, and Romney had less than 48. 5% overall. It wasn't that close at the end of the day.
I think that because Republican economic policies are beneficial to less than 50% of the population, they had to reach out to fringe elements. Although it might be true that Democratic policies tend to be more beneficial to the lazy, that is just tells you that laziness is more popular than Bible spewing. It is also a lot more fun. So here's to the lazy, the shiftless, the takers, the underemployed and the unproductive by choice. Think how much more lazy and shiftless and unproductive we will be with all this weed floating around.
[QUOTE=Member #2041;428949]The difference in the popular vote was more like 3 Million, once the West Coast returns came in. Obama had OVER 50% of the vote, and Romney had less than 48. 5% overall. It wasn't that close at the end of the day.[/QUOTE]Regardless of who you favored, it is a good thing that the electoral winner carried the popular vote, and also that they got a majority and not just a plurality. If it had gone the other way I still would have wanted that to happen. But yeah, looking at the final results, nowhere near as close as I thought it would be. Virginia? Shocking.
If only American college students were as smart as their Israeli counterparts:
[url]http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/middle-east-north-africa/264609-romney-polls-far-ahead-of-obama-in-israel[/url]
[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;428865]It is proof positive that the unproductive portion of the population has taken over and the rest of us are enslaved.[/QUOTE]For reals? Enslaved? Keep looking at the world through those rose-colored glasses in your alternate universe, wherever that is. Go ahead and keep listening to your odious, hate–filled speak of radio hosts Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, and Glenn Beck. Keep closing that tent of yours. Together with the likes of Sarah Palin, Bachmann, Sununu, Bolton and the rest of the Looney-tune neocons: I hope you all had a great night's sleep last night.
The reality of what happened last night clearly was the end result of the extreme wing of the GOP hijacking the Republican Party. Witness the 'reasonable' Republicans like General Colin Powell and John Huntsman clearly distancing themselves.
Let's face it; the Republican Party has become the party of primarily; grumpy, older, white men who are dying a slow death. Sure, there is a sprinkling of Hispanics and other minorities but one has but just look at the broad face of Romney's supporters. There is very little diversity that one can tell. Quite similar to the vast array of female bleach-blond anchors of Fox News TV network.
Speaking of the Fox News on 2012 Election night coverage: It was absolutely delightful seeing Megyn Kelly and fellow anchor, Bret Baier slowly change their disposition, posture and facial expressions as the evening wore on.
And who can forget watching GOP pollster guru and strategist Carl Rove on Fox News last night sweating it out and desperately trying to recalculate and refute the odds and reality? Sorry, Mr. Rove, the ghosts of 2000 didn't show up in Ohio in this election.
Maybe one day, you'll recognize that those Independent voters are mainly intelligent moderates who can't stand your agenda.