Buenos Aires - 2002 Reports

to the board:

sorry if i offended some of you. not my intent at all. the point i was trying to make was simply this:

the going rate in Blacks is 150-200 us dollars. thats it plain and simple. i chose to pay the rate. to ridicule me or anyone for choosing to pay that rate is ridiculous. i did not overpay by the standards stated by jackson and others when i went to playwoman.

to ridicule and insult me becasue i may have the means to pay 150 dollars is also stupid, as is asking me not to go to argentina.

at least 3 of the posters responding to my messages and attacking me have probably never been to ba, and have never posted any information on ba that would be useful to anyone.

I think Saint and others have said the same thing: there is no harm in checking it out. It was stupid of me to use the kmart line, but its just as stupid to attack me.

Saint, EZE et al, will be in BA, staying in Recoleta, first time later this month. Have read all reviews, etc., but wondering if one of the old pros can give me a specific recommendation at chuponalgasSPAMyahoo.com (SPAM =@). I like GFE type 18-24 skinny, fun good-humored chicas. Large chest, big act not necessary. Prefer sweet and funny. I am clean non-smoker, light drinker, middle-aged and very respectful, so I promise I won't embarass you if you refer your favorite chica. Not a lurker, see my very specific reports on the Panama City board. Any leads appreciated!

Wow, EZY. I'm not going to get into the middle of this, but...

Has Blacks changed so much in the last two years? My experience was rather opposite yours. I found the girls in Blacks and Playwomen to be young and MUCH more attractive than any of the women in ANY of the other establishments. So great was the difference that after seeing the offerings in 8-10 places, i returned exclusively to B and P repeatedly during my stay. From what I saw, there was no reason to go back to the other joints.

I say that only to make this point: Everyone has a different set of experiences with any given place. Perhaps things vary based on the day of the week, or the time of the year, or the year.... Those things, in addition to the variances in people's tastes and expectations means that a given person's preference for Blacks may be quite valid, although it's all a very 'liquid' situation. Things, no doubt, may change. And, just as your experience with Blacks has discouraged you from trying it again, and has elicited the Tourist Trap label from some, other hobbyists may see your prefered establishments as Wastes of Time....

Who really cares who likes what place, and for what reason? If one goes to Blacks and pays what they charge, isn't that the same as buying a Tag? I'm sure the majority of folks would say that the Tag is an extravagant waste, since the Timex keeps the same time.*

If the current rate in Blacks is, indeed 200 US, it seems to be far out of proportion to what is being discussed as the more "common" rate elsewhere. But, I can guarantee you that if I were in BsAs now, having traveled 5,000 miles to get there, and I didn't see anyone I wanted in a lower-priced club, that 200 US would be spent. Certainly not ridiculous.

By the way, I'm only defending a different point of view, whether or not I concur with it. I don't, however, subscribe to the vulgarity in which the various opinions are being expressed.

Adam

*Personally, I favour a Rolex Daytona, so I obviously don't hold this perspective. But, I don't disagree with it. It's just not MY perspective.

Ok. Everyone has made their peace. I think it's time to move on. It's good to get different perspectives on things. Everyone is making good points. Remember one man's trash is another man's treasure. I liked Ezy's TAG analogy. I have a Rolex and a TAG and I'm sure many would consider anyone that spends thousands upon thousands of dollars for a watch is an "idiot". I happen to disagree. Same goes for Blacks.

Some things in life you can't put a price on. My theory is to do what makes you happy. I'm not saying I'm correct on this but it's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. I really don't think anyone is gonna "ruin" the price market by paying more at Black's. Black's will always cost more. No one is saying you can't find better girls at other clubs for cheaper but if paying $200 US for a girl at Black's (or any other club) makes you happy, you have the money, etc. then do it.

Adam Bomb, YES a lot can change in 2 years. Heck, alot can change in 2 months let alone 2 years. I also think too many dudes are trying to over analyze or over plan their trip. Just relax and wait till you get to ground zero. Everyone will be fine.

P.S. Remember it like this. Some of the girls at places like Black's are like jewelry stores that sell Rolex's. They have their price, they will not deviate from that set price, not everyone can afford them, not everyone wants to spend that much money in the store, and many think it's a complete waste of money. However, there will always be a certain segment of the population that not only can afford to shop in that "store" and they will spend that kind of money. These kind of stores could care less what every other store is charging for a "watch".

I hope no one thinks I'm advocating spending that kind of money at Black's because I'm simply NOT. Read my reports. I've walked away if girls wouldn't come down from crazy pricing. Everything to me has a risk/reward ratio. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Sex to me is like a precious commodity no different than gold, silver, diamonds. Some will always pay more than they need to for these "things" but if it makes you happy...so be it.

Life is good amigos.

Fellow Argentina Viewers,
On to a little different philosophy then the latest thread. As promised, some insights from my last trip, (end Sept, early Oct.) and other trips.
As mentioned earlier, with a latino amigo, called up a large number of girls from the sites: (area-vip, platynum, gemidos, hotwomen, sensualbaires). My spanish is somewhat limited but with the extension phone, could follow mi amigos conversations. Also had a number of my own, in Enlgish. First off, the phone conversations themselves can be a good source of entertainment. The girls never seem to be at a loss for words, and in English, I noticed they handle delicate discussions with pause and an ear to replying in a manner that the ****** may appreciate.
One of the English speakers on area-vip was very intriguing but there were a number of warning signals that made me uncomfortable. First, she much prefered I come there, but was willing to come to my hotel. Second, other phone calls kept coming in so she had to place me on hold, (could hear her looking for another deal on the other phone in Spanish. Even one at the door finally which shortened the phone call that time.) All understandable but maybe too active for my mental picture. But the strangest experience was when I called another time, to have someone answer in Spanish, saying they were the same girl, pero no inges, (even though the vip ad says english). Got my amigo on the phone, he did not recognize the voice either. Finally, someone else comes on the phone with english, another girl from the site, (not my type), saying the other girl was not available, but I am. Sounds a lot like one of these apartments discussed earlier.
Other phone calls on other sites indicated a few saying they were not the one in the picture, she is out, but that they are just as nice. (offers to come by the hotel and if you did not like what you saw, 10peso cab fare, and goodbye. My amigo did this one night when he brought phone #s back to the hotel, no internet there, and he was VERY pleasantly surprised, with no goodbyes for 2 hours.) My fifth or sixth choice was from sensualbaires, (due to many no answers or change-ups, keeping in mind my limited, self imposed field, they need to speak some English. It is amazing that with all the choices, one can get so picky, but knowing spanish certainly widens the field). A great time and the pictures are true. Availability was without limits, on two separate occasions, no hassle, but not at her place, (never asked to, but later learned young one at home with the housekeeper/nanny.) Great conversations also on the economy, how the coralito has changed things, personal, etc.etc. All internet phone calls were the standard 100P/hr, (1 or 2 at 150P/hr), culo 30 extra if into it, all night 300P.
The nightclubs, playwomen, shampoo, etc. all a lot of fun, but sure get to slim good pickings by 3am to 3:30am. So, when things really don't get started until 12:30am or so, you do not have a lot of time to him and hah. My advice is to get to these places relatively early, and hop fast to the next place if you do not like what you see at the first one after 1/2 hr or so.
Newport is a nice low key place that I have been to many times, with more English speaking girls now then I ever knew in the past. A high number of them were however asking more then most places, and not just to the gringo. One wanted to go in the worst way but just was not my type, (that night). Bought the drink, had some nice rubs, wet ears, etc., told her to go on if she liked as it was not going to happen here. She was then with some portano, quickly came back and she said how about you and me go now, or wait till I get back in an hour after this guy! Her amiga, (cutest little blonde), said to my amigo, call me after 4am when she is off and if I am not with someone, I'll come over, more reasonably priced. He would have but by then too tired to enjoy.
I noted a lot of club girls from Tartagal, Tucuman, etc., some of them very exotic mixes too.
Hope I get back soon.
middleageguy

Gentlemen,
Let us stop fighting - pay what you think is the right price. As Saint said, let us agree to disagree and move on.

APART RECOLETA????
Anyone been there? Supposedly 150 rooms in "heart of Recoleta"
Regular rate = $79, but Travelocity can book for $55 a night.
http://www.apartrecoleta.com.ar/habitacionus.htm

Jamesbond69, DownBA, bandy, cuponalgas, etc...


I've been reading this forum regularly and seen that some of you is going to be in BA in November.

If anyone like to get together with a fellow hobbist for some hunting I will be in BA from the 12 November - 26 November. I will be staying at hotel Etoile when I arrive at least.

I have experience from other parts of the world (some known and some less known) but this is my first time in BA and my spannish isn't that good to be honest, so I could really use some help. So lets get together to exhange war stories. Feel free to email me at: voice_mixer@hotmail.com

BA_ROBERT

James Bond 69 will be in Buenos Aires, Nov. 12-Dec 11. Expect some lively reports during that time.

First night is at the Etoile, then I might move to an apartment hotel or apartment for the long stay. My Spanish is OK and have a good deal of monger experience.

Email me - ww2001us@yahoo.com if you want to hook up and hobby on.

Bond, James Bond 69

Guys,
this message is part of another one I have just posted in the "General Info" section.

Anyway I have to say few words in defense of Black, which has been "attacked" in the last few days ... I went there 5 nights out of 7, had a great time in there, especially on Thursday 31st (Halloween), you guys should have seen the talent in there on the 31st, it was just amazing, even for Eropean standards - also it was my 29th birthday and few of the girls (for a very strange situation) knew about it and they were very nice & friendly to me ... I can tell you, some of them are real sweethearts, not pros or cold as they might look like ... but I will post extensively in the next few days about my "adventures" ... A special greeting to Saint ... man, I had the best time of my life, I'll send you few pics as soon as I can ...

Hey Rob. Glad you're having a great time buddy. I knew you would!! Mayri was worried about you. She said you never called her back after the first time you talked to her. I told her that you were most likely too busy enjoying all that BA had to offer. What a wonderful city it is.

I'm looking forward to reading your adventures and seeing your pictures.

Saint

Hello everybody,

I will soon arrive in BA. I can hardly wait any longer.

Can anyone sheed some more light on the atmosphere in the clubs like Blacks, Playwoman, Hooks, Solid Gold etc...

Is it possible to have a meal? Is there usually a dance floor or just a bar? Are there shows? What kind of shows?

Is there any special rules one should be aware of?

Whats is the dress code for a monger? Suit, casual, Jeans? Is it different in different clubs?

Does one approach the girls directly (like in the "real world"), talk to a waitress, flirt or any other way? Is it pretty much like other monger places in the world?

Who should one tip and how much? The doorman? Your waitress?

Do anyone of you experienced soldiers have any successful trixs to recommend?

BA_ROBERT

Blacks and Playwoman are like bars anywhere. Blacks is more upscale, Playwoman more like a neighborhood dive. Solid Gold is like going to TJ. I tend to avoid it other than to check it out from time to time. Shampoo is classier than Blacks, but the girls aren't as pretty.

You can't get a meal at these places. You do get snacks at Blacks and Playwoman. Even if I don't feel like snacking, I always say yes to the snacks. I let the girls munch on them.

There is a dance floor. You can dance on it, but then all the girls will make fun of you.

Blacks and Playwoman both have shows. Blacks is kind of tame. Playwoman has a traditional strip show.

Wear anything you want. You'll see guys in there in suits and casual wear. You'll also see guys in jeans and shorts, but those are Americans. I've never seen a local dress like that. I wear a nice shirt and slacks.

Just talk directly to the girls. The girls are more standoffish at Blacks. Make sure you've decided on one before you talk to any of them. Once you talk to one, the others will tend to avoid you. At Playwoman, some of the girls will come up to you others you have to make the move. I like Playwoman more because of this. You can actually talk to a few without a commitment. They don't mind at all. In fact, if you're not interested, most of the girls will recommend someone else. It's not as monger like as most places in the world. Especially Blacks. The main difference is that the woman are trying to make eye contact with you that anywhere else wouldn't give you the time of day.

I generally give the waitress a 20 and the doorman 5 and the cabby another 5 as well.

Don't pay too much. They know me so I get away with 150 pesos. The girls tell me that they charge some of the foreigners 300-500 dollars. All you have to do is say no. The price will come down. Other than at Blacks, I've never had a girl refuse 150.

Have fun. BA is great. It's my second favorite place in the world.

JUSTGOTBACK,

thanks for all the good info. Feels like Iam there in my mind already.

In what way is schampoo more classier? What about Newport?

"There is usually a dance floor!" However, can't one have a nice dance with a girl?

"Wear what you want!" What do girls tend to like and go for? Is there any difference among the clubs?

If you really looking for classy girls, whats the best club?


BA_ROBERT

You can dance with a girl. Some of them even ask you too. But a lot of times, there's some drunken guy up there dancing by himself. It doesn't leave a good impression.

I would look presentable. The guys that wear shorts just look like American sex tourists. Which is the case, but why not go along with the fantasy of it being a real club. I try to blend in like a local. The locals wouldn't be caught dead in Blacks in shorts. Blacks and Shampoo are more dressy, Playwoman less so.

Shampoo is classier because it's newer. They also have a more professional show. There are always a couple of go go dancers going. Beware though, there are woman here that aren't working. Although a majority of them are.

Newport is just a regular bar. No entrance fee etc. It's much more neighborhood bar like. If you are looking for Classy girls, this might not be the place for you. Although my favorite girl of all has taken to hanging out there lately. The classiest girls are at Blacks and Playwoman.