2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424623]Wrong. Romney's Swiss bank account was closed by his LAWYER in 2010, not coincidentally several months AFTER the initiation of the IRS amnesty program.[/quote]Since you know this to be fact, you won't mind sharing the proof that: 1) it happened as you state and 2) that it wasn't a coincidence.

[quote=]You claim Romney's account was declared in his 2007 tax returns. Where are his 2007 tax returns? Oh I forgot, nobody has seen them because Romney refuses to release anything before 2010.[/QUOTE]Why on earth should he release tax returns for years that are not required? To satisfy you and your ilk? That's a fool's errand. He is better off spending his time and energy focusing the debate on what a miserable failure the Marxist in Chief has been (that is if you look at his tenure from the perspective of someone who loves the USA).

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 424626]Since you know this to be fact, you won't mind sharing the proof that: 1) it happened as you state and 2) that it wasn't a coincidence.[/QUOTE]Romney will be pressured into releasing several more years of tax returns before the November election; the proof will be in the pudding.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 424625]Stop stating things as fact, when you are way out of your depth. Every, repeat EVERY, private equity fund, venture capital fund and hedge fund, that has any foreign investors (and most that don't) , have offshore entities and bank accounts. The entities are offshore for many reasons including the over-litigious nature of the US (thanks to no tort reform) and the prevention of taxes being withheld from the profits of foreign investors, who are supposed to be free from US taxes.

With all due respect, you are talking out your ass.[/QUOTE]I am well aware of the reasons for having off shore bank accounts and the functions / utilities they provide; I personally have / had almost a dozen off shore bank accounts (between personal and business) in three countries (outside) the USA over the years. As I stated, these sorts of tactics are perfectly fine for Jackson, me, Toymann, and any other fat cats who are not running for office but are unbecoming of a man aspiring to be POTUS.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424608]What occurred is exactly what I stated in the earlier post: in private conversations with high level CPA's who formerly and currently work / worked for Ernst and Young and Deloitte it was revealed to me that Romney utilized (now) illegal tax avoidance schemes and participated in the IRS amnesty prior to 2010 to repatriate funds held in a Swiss bank account. I can tell you that the Ernst and Young conversations took place in Buenos Aires within the past ninety days.[/QUOTE]You need to go away dude. The past 90 days in BA? The gift that keeps on giving! Even esten will not come to your rescue! You are nothing more than entertainment dude. Keep rolling! Please site the high level CPA conference that is going on in BA right now? Please! Enquiring minds want to know! Happy Mongering All. Toymann

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 424620]I did a little looking on the internet. An account held by the Romneys at a Swiss bank was disclosed publicly in 2007 when he was running for president. The UBS / Voluntary Disclosure amnesty program wasn't until 2009. He disclosed the account 2 years before the amnesty program. So why would he publicly disclose the existence of the account to the public but not the IRS? That's nuts. It's very unlikely he had HIDDEN offshore accounts or knowingly participated in illegal tax schemes.

Let's call a spade a spade. What you wrote above are lies.[/QUOTE]You are dealing with an IDIOT! He couldn't even respond in the argentine cell phone thread in an intelligent manner! Enough said. Monger on All BUT SnakeBoy! Toymann

[QUOTE=Toymann;424630]You need to go away dude. The past 90 days in BA? The gift that keeps on giving! Even esten will not come to your rescue! You are nothing more than entertainment dude. Keep rolling! Please site the high level CPA conference that is going on in BA right now? Please! Enquiring minds want to know! Happy Mongering All. Toymann[/QUOTE]I have never said anything about the private conversations taking place at a "high level CPA conference" or any other sort of conference. Ernst and Young has an office in Buenos Aires; Ernst and Young staff from NYC fly down quarterly to train / supervise the local staff. That's as detailed as I will get.

[url]http://www.ey.com/AR/es/Home/Article[/url]

I think Earnst and Young needs a little discipline. Not only are they blabbering about clients confidential tax returns at the home office. They violate client confidentiality throughout the world. This must comfort Earnst and young clients worldwide. That everyone from the receptionist to the guy who delivers pizza to Earnst and young is given detailed reports on the tax returns of Earnst and young clients.

Anyway, this is b***s***. Every quarter accounting firms, including earnst and young, have access to every companys quarterly results before they are released. A heads up to this information is invaluable to investors. Knowing the quarterly results before they are released could easily make you a fortune. Does that information ever leak from the accounting offices to investors. Never as in never, never, ever.

My guess is that some wantabe nobody is claiming to have access to information which is more tightly guarded than the gold in Fort Knox. Why does anybody listen to this nonsense. Patently absurd. Whoops, patently absurd to everyone but an Obama supporter who has a 1 in 50, 000, 000 chance of becoming a human being. Same as a spermatazoa.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales; 424632]I have never said anything about the private conversations taking place at a "high level CPA conference" or any other sort of conference. Ernst and Young has an office in Buenos Aires; Ernst and Young staff from NYC fly down quarterly to train / supervise the local staff. That's as detailed as I will get.

[url]http://www.ey.com/AR/es/Home/Article[/url][/QUOTE]AP is letting me post today. Couldn't log in yesterday, no matter how many times I tried.

Just because the E&Y may be saying it doesn't make it true. Unless MR's return is done out of the NYC office, the information you would have gotten is at best 3rd or 4th hand. I wasn't impressed with the higher ups when I worked at the company. My favorite example of big company idiocy was when they decided that reviewers were taking too long on tax returns. The new policy was to look at the totals at the bottom of each page and if it matched the amount on the tax return, send it on for processing. No exceptions.

Not too long after that, I was given a return prepared by a sophomore in college (intern). The return had oil & gas property and other complex tax issues. The totals matched so I sent the return on. The partner comes in to my office wanting to know what in the hell was going on. Told him the new rule. They had a meeting and the rule was no longer enforced for our office.

Closing out the UBS account was likely done for political reasons. I read the first page of the MR article yesterday and didn't see anything useful. The guist of page one was that it would have been smarter to overpay his taxes. Since MR ran for president in 2008, does anyone really believe he would have kept undisclosed funds in a Swiss bank account at that time? Considering that he already had other legal offshore trusts set up elsewhere, what they are insinuating is insulting to our intelligence.

I can see the confession from MR:

"Yes, even though I could have legally sheltered my income in my other offshore accounts, I hid money in a UBS account to evade taxes. Why did I do it? Just for the hell of it. If Tim Geithner can openly commit tax fraud, why can't I?"

Snakeoil is another Obama propagandist like Move-On. At least there was proof that Esten is a real, however delusional, human being.

The US action against the Swiss Banks emanated from the findings of the Volker and Bergier Commissions, of the mid-late 90's and early '00s which were charged with piercing the Swiss banking secrecy, as it related to accounts that could have potentially belonged to victims of the Holocaust. The US has always wanted to find away to tear down the secrecy of the Swiss Banking industry (except as it relates to liberal members of Congress, Hollywood and the media). What the US saw was that if enough pressure was brought to bear upon the Swiss, they would eventually crack like a coconut. Further, they (the Swiss) were at their weakest (politically) on the heels of the Commissions' findings (they were two separate commissions) , because they showed that at best, the Swiss were complicit in institutionalized graft from the victims of genocide. The US didn't start pressuring the Swiss in 2010 or 2009 or even 2007. The pressure was a continuation, although realigned, of the Commissions' (I. E. From the 90s).

I think that Snakeoil can concede that Romney was an international financier, with fiduciary responsibilities to many constituencies, and therefore probably had more than a passing familiarity with this enforcement movement, which the government did not keep secret. Further, this same Romney fellow ran for POTUS in 2008 and as a candidate would have been made acutely aware of the depths of depravity of Opposition Research. No one (except liberals like Ted Kennedy, Gary Hart, John Edwards and their ilk) , expects to get a pass or to be able to keep anything secret. All you have to do is look at the abuse of IRS powers in auditing Obama's opposition or the main stream media's embargo of the information about John Edward's love-child, to see what can happen. Therefore, it is unreasonable to expect that a relatively intelligent individual, who was aware of the risks, would have preceded to put himself in the white-hot spotlight with the sole strategy of whistling past the graveyard.

As for Snakeoil's 'inside info' from E&Y...I just have to laugh. I think that the BS-factor of this canard has been nicely exposed in the prior posts.

What is most glaring is the absolute hypocrisy of virtually everything that Snakeoil posts: transparency, tax evasion and criminal innuendo. If you were on the shrink's couch, he'd be jotting down the word "transference" over and over again. Obama has provided little to no transparency on many issues of great importance. Being a tax cheat was a requirement for his cabinet appointees and he and/or Eric Holder are complicit if not directly culpable in more than 300 murders. You know what? Now that I think of it, if I was an Obama supporter (I'd have to be lobotomized, first) I don't think that I would focus on the 'achievements' of my candidate. Just as the Alinsky/Obama/Axelrod/Emanuel-doctrine states "when you've got nothing, attack the opposition with lies."

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;424640]Now that I think of it, if I was an Obama supporter I don't think that I would focus on the 'achievements' of my candidate. Just as the Alinsky/Obama/Axelrod/Emanuel-doctrine states "when you've got nothing, attack the opposition with lies."[/QUOTE]That's a pretty good summary of what's going on with the Obama campaign.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;424644]That's a pretty good summary of what's going on with the Obama campaign.[/QUOTE]What do you think Putin is going to do? Putin sat three seats from Bush as his army invaded Georgia at the last Olympics. Georgia sent troops to Iraq. Fairly brazen in my opinion. US could do nothing to help an ally.

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man;424648]What do you think Putin is going to do? Putin sat three seats from Bush as his army invaded Georgia at the last Olympics. Georgia sent troops to Iraq. Fairly brazen in my opinion. US could do nothing to help an ally.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about Putin, tell Vlad that Obama will be much more flexible, after the election. He must have been referring to his ability to bend over. We've not been in a position (since about '00) to do much regarding Putin meddling in the former republics looking for "Chechen Rebels" or other boogey men. With Afghanistan and Iraq on the front burner, we have been in no position to commit to anything other than a stern warning. With Obama in office, we don't even do that. Obama is intentionally doing to the US, what the US did to Russia when Reagan was in office. Causing the country to implode upon itself do to its runaway spending. I guarantee you that the team Obama was rooting for, didn't win the Cold War.

Like radical Islam, Putin will never respect or fear weakness. Obama bowed to him before he was even elected, so Putin has known all along that the US is not a factor in his foreign policy (Russian naval base in Cuba?). If Obama gets a second term, the missile shield is toast and Putin will be free to expand his sphere of influence.

Nothing new here. Hungary in 1956 and Prague in 1968, and much more before that. Why? What happened? Too much bear there, no profits.

Laos, the most bombed country in world history. Discarding bombs every 8 minutes for years. The secret war that nobody talks about. They were shooting at the jets with sling shots. Lots of profit here. Hands stained with blood in Washngton is nothing new. Now with the defense cuts coming into play if there is no budget agreement, Cheney has dragged his drugged body to Washington once again. His face is the face of the military industrial complex, the face of war & profits.

According to Robert Gates, the US battle fleet is larger than the next 13 navies combined. 11 of whom belong to our allies and partners. Our geography is part of our defense. Imagine if China was as close as Hawaii, then we would be wetting our shorts.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 424656]Nothing new here. Hungary in 1956 and Prague in 1968, and much more before that. Why? What happened? Too much bear there, no profits.

Laos, the most bombed country in world history. Discarding bombs every 8 minutes for years. The secret war that nobody talks about. They were shooting at the jets with sling shots. Lots of profit here. Hands stained with blood in Washngton is nothing new. Now with the defense cuts coming into play if there is no budget agreement, Cheney has dragged his drugged body to Washington once again. His face is the face of the military industrial complex, the face of war & profits.

According to Robert Gates, the US battle fleet is larger than the next 13 navies combined. 11 of whom belong to our allies and partners. Our geography is part of our defense. Imagine if China was as close as Hawaii, then we would be wetting our shorts.[/QUOTE]Does this post make any sense to anyone? I get the whole " I hate America theme". I was not born in the US dude, in fact I didn't even arrive in the US till 1992. Please elaborate on your point please.

Very confused Toymann

PS: I have been a US citizen for over a decade now!

[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 424656]Nothing new here. Hungary in 1956 and Prague in 1968, and much more before that. Why? What happened? Too much bear there, no profits.

Laos, the most bombed country in world history. Discarding bombs every 8 minutes for years. The secret war that nobody talks about. They were shooting at the jets with sling shots. Lots of profit here. Hands stained with blood in Washngton is nothing new. Now with the defense cuts coming into play if there is no budget agreement, Cheney has dragged his drugged body to Washington once again. His face is the face of the military industrial complex, the face of war & profits.[/QUOTE]It depends upon your perspective. Of course, mistakes are made all the time. Didn't Clinton bomb the Chinese (his biggest contributors) Embassy in Belgrade? There is a fine line between honest / earnest beliefs and zealotry.

The USA, while one of the greatest forces for goodness that mankind has ever seen, MUST prioritize its best interests above those of all other nations. That doesn't relieve anyone (almost anyone) from their responsibilities to God and Country (I. E. The Law). If bombing the sh*t out of the Ramen Noodle Valley is key to an imperative national interest (in my opinion, it needs to be crucial security interest) , then bombs away and may God have mercy on their souls (both the bombees and bombers). The US government exists SOLELY to protect and ensure America's best interests.

[quote=]According to Robert Gates, the US battle fleet is larger than the next 13 navies combined.[/quote]Relevance?

[quote=]11 of whom belong to our allies and partners.[/quote]Relevance?

The modern US navy has cut the number of ships it has by 66%. We are no longer equipped to fight two simultaneous wars (that aren't with third rate sand fleas), which has been the standing policy since the wane of WWII. Great security policy "If we are engaged in one conflict, feel free to do whatever you want, 'cause we can't do anything about it. That's like having the police tweet their unavailability to all the criminals.

[quote=]Our geography is part of our defense.[/quote]Seemed to be a rather ineffective defense on 911. Further, since the the advent of the ICBM, geography hasn't meant sh*t.

[quote=]Imagine if China was as close as Hawaii, then we would be wetting our shorts.[/QUOTE]No need to imagine. They can reach out and touch us, today. Let the Soviets. Err. I mean our friends the Russians put a naval base in Cuba and you'll get some real pucker-factor.