Something I just read, and agree with in it's entirety
I truly hope, although I genuinely doubt, that you right wingers will take this to heart:
From a Republican.
"Cry Babies And Sore Losers"
Cry Babies And Sore Losers: I'm seeing Americans post photos of our Flag hung upside down because the President won reelection. They're defending this action as a 'Naval sign of distress'. Let me tell you something: you are not on a battleship, you are a manager at McDonalds in Follansbee, WV, and you are in fact, a lunatic.
I've avoided 'spiking the football' over a great night for the President and for common sense in the Senate – Richard Murdock and Todd Akin deserved more than a loss. But I've held off, because I respect, am friends with, and on certain issues agree with, many patriotic Republicans who work hard to make this country a better place and simply disagreed with who should be Commander in Chief. That's fair and healthy.
And, I also didn't spike the football because I've lost elections before and I know how terrible it feels.
It's called maturity and not enough people in either party have it.
Cry Babies And Sore LosersThe following jaw punch is not directed at common sense Republicans, nor does it condone radicals on the Left. It is directed at the right wing fanatics who put party before country, conspiracy before reality, and ideology before science and intellect.
To Tea Party Patriots and hardcore Religious Engineers:
Republicans lost because their party leadership and most candidates feared you, listened to you, and looked the other way on important issues as you picked the dumbest, craziest nominees in key primaries (Murdock and Akin) , or converted otherwise sensible, experienced candidates to Crazy Town (Romney).
There's nothing wrong with wanting limited government. I do. There's nothing wrong with believing in God, the Golden Rule, or wanting to reduce abortions. I do, too. But you've taken it too damn far and scare the shit out of people you could otherwise persuade.
Yes, the message and messenger matter (you're failing at both, BTW) , but no Madison Avenue P. R. Firm, K Street lobbying firm, Fox News 'analyst', or local chapter of 'Freedom Works' can sell the flaming dung you're slinging.
Smart people can lose. But smart people always learn.
You didn't lose because you 'weren't conservative enough' or because the country has become full of lazy 'takers' who don't want to earn a living or just want America to 'turn in to Europe'.
You didn't lose because of Hurricane Sandy or because Chris Christie hugged the President on TV – they were both doing their jobs.
You didn't lose because of a liberal media, liberal college campuses, liberal polls that were 'weighted to Democrats' (mostly because they were accurate) , or because of 'election fraud'. Actually, that probably benefited you this time.
No. You lost because your policies, tone, conspiracies, rigid inflexibility and irrational rhetoric helped align enough moderates, swing voters, and minority groups whom otherwise could be persuaded by Republicans, to align with Democrats and a beatable incumbent.
It's not that you didn't get your message out, it's that we all actually heard it and threw up a little in our mouths.
There isn't a mandate for Democrats in this election. Liberalism wasn't rewarded in this election. However, calm pragmatism, compassion, working together, compromise and sincerity were rewarded. People may not have agreed with President Obama, but more felt he was sincere and that he understood their daily problems, fears, and dreams. If you don't trust what the polls say, take a look at who is sworn in on January 20th. I thought you'the at least believe in Math when it came to counting to 270.
Sincerity is the only thing in politics you can't fake. You can't teach it. No matter how shiny a candidate's bio is, how smooth he is, or how perfect the gray hairs rest on his temples — any average Joe on the street can spot a bullshitter.
Mitt is a generous and good man, but he didn't know who he was or 'needed' to be at any given time in that campaign. That's largely his fault for lacking core convictions or personal toughness (Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush possessed both traits – that's why they won).
But you, the right wing base of the party, who drove so many of us moderate republicans out the door years ago, were the main catalyst. Your inability to reason, compromise, or let new facts and evidence challenge your predetermined outcomes led millions of moderates to no longer be able to stand on stage with you.
Frankly, you're embarrassing – more so than a crazy family member at dinner, or having your mom drop you off at a high school dance.
You say stupid shit and look stupid saying it.
You pass amendments to ban flag burning and then hang it upside down and post it on Facebook when you lose.
You preach limited government in the economy when Democrats are in charge and then look the other way when you're in charge.
You want a government small enough to stay out of corporations and banks but big enough for bedrooms and hospital respirators (see Schiavo, Terri).
There's a hatred inside of you that burns in a way that scares normal people.
You made unlikely allies in large corporations who are more interested in tax breaks and loopholes even if the government has to cut your Medicare and Social Security or cut education to a point where states and local governments have no financial choice but to educate your children in portable trailer classrooms with 35 other students.
Would these corporations do this just to help pad their quarterly earnings reports with certain tax and regulatory policies? You bet your sweet ass they do. And you better believe they're happy to have you make the 'freedom' argument as 'concerned citizen patriots' on their behalf.
Yet, after those corporations spent billions on TV adds and herded you like sheep over the last half decade to discredit Barack Obama for everything from being a 'Godless communist' — to his 'being born in Kenya and hatching a secret plot to take down America' — to Obamacare's 'death panels and job killing regulations'.
YOU still lost.
After having a Senate Republican Leader state that his party's top priority in Congress was to make 'Obama a one term President' and a House of Representatives that blocked everything he tried to do and then had the brass to criticize him for 'not getting anything done'.
YOU still lost.
After attacking gay people who want equal protection under the law (BTW, I'm referring to the 14th amendment to the constitution, I know you forget most of the amendments after the 2nd one).
YOU still lost.
After attacking the Hispanic community who's tired of being spoken 'at' like criminals, attacking low income women who rely on Planned Parenthood for services of which 98% have nothing to do with abortion, and attacking relatively trivial things like PBS that children and adults enjoy as '1. Damn television channel that doesn't include Honey Boo Boo or a 'Fox News Breaking Alert' announcing Obama's latest 'Czar' appointment.
YOU still lost.
And after throwing all the red meat in your warped political base out to the rest of the country to eat, the majority of Americans weren't hungry for it and didn't trust ordering from your unhealthy, de-regulated menu.
YOU still lost.
You can read me the constitution, but you clearly don't have a practical understanding of what you've read, heard on television, or forwarded to your entire email list of like minded xenophobes.
This country is great because our founders were smart enough to limit the government's power and give the people enough freedom and authority to correct their own mistakes in pursuit of a 'more perfect union' (it's in the first damn line of the Preamble, in case you can't find it in your Tea Party Constitution Cliffs Notes).
Our founders were utterly brilliant and sophisticated. I don't like to speak for them, but I doubt they would have been friends with Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin. Nah, they wouldn't have made the guest list at Mt. Vernon or Monticello.
But let's be clear, our founders weren't perfect. They owned slaves. Only White male property owners had a say in things. Women, blacks, native americans, and other constituencies had to wait for an American dream and in many cases, are still waiting and working for it. Speaking of work, children were working 12-16 hour days with zero safety protections in statute. Zero.
The constitution, subsequent amendments and Supreme Court rulings and opinions since 1800 aren't perfectly clear (those who think they are tend to have had a healthy serving of Kool-Aid and have never watched oral arguments at the Supreme Court).
The founders knew that they, and the constitution they drafted, weren't perfect. This is why they added a Bill of Rights and why they created a Supreme Court and a process that has allowed us to add 27 amendments to their work of art.
Their imperfection is what led to a Civil War to prove that human and civil rights aren't a 'states' rights issue' – they're endowed by our creator, not by legislatures in Mississippi or Alabama, and they're protected equally in our constitution, but also in our democratically passed laws.
I run from the Capitol steps to the Lincoln Memorial most mornings that I'm in Washington. I may not be fast or smart, but I can read what's carved in stone.
Please. I welcome a challenge to what I've said. If you think because I voted for President Obama that I'm a socialist or that I don't want a better America, I'm happy to take time from running a business I've co-founded and time from money I'm trying to raise for Big Brothers Big Sisters of America to pause and give you a fresh one. At no charge.
But I do ask this: be a real Patriot. Look at that flag you've hung upside down. Look at what you've done to it and what that means. Thousands of our bravest men and women, braver than me, just lost limbs and in many cases their lives so that Iraqis and Afghanis could vote however they see fit. I did that on Tuesday and so did you. That's what that flag stands for – equal access to a process, not a guarantee for any of our desired outcomes.
A country that defeated Hitler, Mussolini, and bin Laden won't crumble because the guy you wanted to be President got beat.
You lost. Now learn from it.
Sincerely,
Guest Contributor, Rob Ellsworth, 'A Proud American'
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Actually TinyDude, SOS and David33 forgot a few others!
[QUOTE=Tiny12; 429022]He's guilty of Medicare crimes? For stating that some employers may switch workers to part time to avoid paying higher healthcare costs? That doesn't make sense. Do a search and see if you still believe there was an actual bet between Toymann and David. I did and I don't.
I think the liberals here are becoming drunk with power, or something like that. Black Shirt thinks he's God.
No offense Black Shirt, you've had some very thoughtful, wise posts here. But I'm really wondering about that last one.[/QUOTE]Rise of Nazi Germany. 9/11, assassination of JFK, southern slavery and of course the Holocost. That was all me! Just wanted to get the record straight! IALOTFLMAO!
My final comment to the obsessed David33. You have now been told by two longtime posters on this board that you are full of it regarding any type of bet between us. I understand your last long winded obsessive rant was quite the doozy! LMAO!
Suggest you double your medication for the next two weeks till all that crazy angry man stuff subsides. Your clearly obsessive behavior regarding My Toymann Persona is fine by me but you need to chill out as it should be clear to you by now that you are just making a fool of yourself. Furthermore, all that venom can't be good for you on the long run. LOL!
Finally, your aggressive attacks on Esten and TinyDude are just not warranted. These boys have been around for quite some time and are hardly Toymann shills. If you must continue your crazy rants please direct them at me. Just because they agree with me regarding your imagined bet doesn't warrant the innuendo and drama that fills your posts regarding Them. Any reasonable person would not support your position of any type of bet between us. You're just making a fool of yourself.
Monger on all. Toymann
I can only hope that your David33 persona is very different from your real life persona! You might be surprised that in many cases a silly Internet chat board persona differs greatly from the posters real life persona. That is true of both myself and the member who has been posting constantly on this thread. Met him in person not long ago and we got along just fine! In fact we share a love of red wine. Go figure. Maybe we should send a few cases of Malbec to the US Congress. LOL
Wow! Did you take the bait fast. Only 35 minutes!
[QUOTE=Member #2041; 429076]We got along because I decided to humor you, knowing I only was going to be around you for one day, and because, despite the fact that I disagree with pretty much everything you are about, and I have a complete lack of respect for you and your set of values. I did recognize that we have similar tastes in both wine and women, so it would be easy to be civil with you for one day. The fact is, I deal with pompous jackasses like you all the time in real life, so I am able to put on the act for a short stretch. And BTW, I've also hung out with David_33 for some time in Sosua, and he set me up with some nice chicas in Lima, including the single best companion I have ever been with during ANY of my international travels. Yes, she even significantly overshadowed Evian. And unlike with my interactions with you, Toymann, I don't have to put on an act of humoring him to get along with David_33. I actually like socializing with the guy, and recognize that we have some intrinsic deeply held values in common, not just some superficial stuff like finding the same women attractive or enjoying red wine.
And yes, I still have you blocked, but I did still choose to view some of your posts because I was curious about how you would justify your weaseling out of the bet with David_33, despite the fact that David_33 spent the entire last couple of weeks before the election. When the polling was in fact the strongest for Romney than during the entire rest of the campaign, trying to finalize the arrangements for your wager. But, of course, you went out of your way to duck out on it.[/QUOTE]The purpose of my last post was quite simple.
First, I wanted to confirm that in spite of your bombastic claims that you had blocked me, that consistent with your short posting history on this board that really shows how full of crap you are, you were indeed reading my posts. Check!
Second, I had been suspicious for some time that you and david33 had some sort of cock-in-mouth type relationship. Check!
Thank you for confirming my suspicions and in fact broadcasting that to the entire board. This was way easier than I expected. Too funny. You took the bait faster than a 10 kilo dorado during the beta. Thanks again. You are quite a piece of work!
IALOTFLMAO. See ya. Toymann
So Seriously, has anyone heard from El Alamo Since the Election?
I think someone needs to do a well-being check on the guy. He was SO CERTAIN that Romney was winning big, and the polling was wrong, and I was naive for believing the polling, that I genuinely fear he may have done himself harm when his fictitious fantasy world came crashing down and he had to face the reality of 4 more years of a "Kenyan Muslim Marxist who faked his college transcripts" as the President of the United States.
