2005 Reports

Man can the lights be tricky in the clubs....

I went out hunting for 18 year olds and ended up screwing a 30+ year old. Ouch!

From a distance this girl looked ok but when she got up close I could tell she was older than I thought. She said she was 26. For me this is about 6 years over the hill. However, I figured I would give her a quick screw to help out her family with some money...haha....she had a good attitude, so hey, why not?

I get her back to the apartment, turn on the lights, and WHAM!!! She turned into an old hag! I was shocked, in fact, a little scared. She even had scar marks on one arm and absolutely no tits. I almost told her to go but she had been very nice so I did not feel like being an asshole since after all it was my fault for not better inspecting the merchadise before ordering it.

So I give her a quick screw and ran into the bathroom to scrub down in case she gave me the cooties. When I returned she is waiting on the bed for another screw. I laid down beside her and said I was getting very tired, since after all it was 3:00am (I did not mention I had slept in until 6:00pm) and I had had a long flight (6 days ago). She then gave me a massage for a while waiting for me to screw her again. Finally, I looked at the clock and said I was going to bed. Gave her the $$ and said bye.

Tommorow I am buying a flashlight!!!

Well let me start off my official stay on this, the best forum hands down for our type of hobbying in the world, by saying I have laughed and at bad times almost cried with you guys over the last 4 years, that I have been a faithfull lurker and now felt it was time to officially join and contribute to our cause.

All the now famous or should I say infamous names Jackson, Moondog, CaptDave and Knuckhead.

You guys have really be most informative as well as funny as hell at times I have almost fell out of the chair listening to you guys going back and forth.

To the point my beautiful 763 will be landing in the paradise we refer to as Bs As on 4-11-05 and I will be there untill roughly 4-18-05

If any of the above mentioned members of the WSG or anybody else in town would like to get together for dinner and some mongering conversation please feel free to PM me.

And yes I will definately contribute to the forum about my experiences as soon as I arrive back to sex prison--luckily no time soon :)

Hola! A couple of days ago I went to see one of my preferred chicas again: Angie (or Dahiara or whatever name she publishes under), a sweet girl with delicious breasts. She is now very rubia (naturally dark hair though). She gave a decent masaje and blowjob (covered) and I could suck her wonderful tits. She is at Viamonte 845, 5 piso, dep. H., usually from 12.00 onwards.

Saludos a todos!

P.S. I just saw the new pics of Larisa of Platynum; looks like a nice bombon.

Well, I have to make up for my lousy experience at Sante Fe 1707 (read post in that section) so I am taking Rocio (from Salome) to dinner and will then fuck here in both holes.

She is cute and sweet and just a silly little chunky college girl. 20 yo with 1 kid and in her first yr of school. Great chemistry, completo and pierced tongue means I over look her extra 30 lbs....besides..I likem all kinds of wayz............photos below.

OK,

Rocio just left. 3.5 hr dinner date followed up with pretty good gfe sex.
She dressed up nicely and felt like a queen being treated to a nice restaurant in P Madero (Siga La Vaca - mid level but good). This girl is not an upper echelon girl. Her parents were killed in an auto accident when she was 13. She has had a hard time. I felt like Richard Gere in Pretty Women, taking my strumpett out to a nice place. She scarfed down as much ensalada, parilla, coca and ice cream as I did (and thats a hell of a deal). I enjoyed watching her enjoy it. It was very cute and endearing. Later after sex, she confided, almost at the point of tears, of how difficult it has been for her and how some friends were not accepting of her occupation. The 150p I paid her last night went into getting a cell phone today. She was happy as pie with the 120p I gave her tonight. In a srtrange way I feel abit like I am doing her some good by paying her the meager sum that I have and by stroking her ego and telling her that she is doing the best she can under the circumstances. I would not call it charity, afterall I am fucking her!

[QUOTE=Cousin It]Before I get to the chica part of my report, let me tell you about the food.

I was looking forward in returning to BA to enjoy some of the best steaks on the planet. So far the steaks have been mighty tasty but the service is sucking large. I am sure this is just bad luck and it will get better.

For my very first meal in BA I ordered a steak and a Cesar salad. When they brought the so-called Cesar it was covered with anchovies. I HATE anchovies. I put them on another plate and told the server to take them away. I then tried to eat my salad. However, it smelled like a dead french hooker's **** and made me feel ill. So I told the server to take away the whole salad. Instead of just taking it away he started telling me how it was made especially for me, how I would have to pay for it, and how it was not his fault it had anchovies because it was on the menu. I said fine I would pay for it, just get this crap off my table before I puke. He got no tip!

Tonight I went to a different place for a late dinner and ordered the same thing. However, I asked the girl beforehand in Spanish if it had anchovies. She ran away to get a translator because she could not understand me. She did not even try to understand me although I was speaking Spanish. When she could not find a translator I said, in Spanish, "look, this is only one question, does the salad have anchovies, yes or no?" She said specifically "no it does not have anchovies". So I ordered it.

It was a nice bid salad with huge chunks of chicken and lots of toppings. I sat enjoying it while thinking how much better it was the the previous. Then all of the sudden I stuck in the fork and pulled out a slimy hairy stinky anchovie about 4 inches long. What the fuck is this?!?! I almost puked. I removed it and searched for more. As far as I could tell there were no more. But now the whole salad tasted like dead fish. It ruined my whole meal. I cannot eat any fish, even 1 part per million, and I am sure that slimy hairy maggot had contaminated my dinner. I then pushed the salad away as it was uneatable. The other girl came and asked my why I was not eating it. I showed her the anchovie, and she just took away the salad. I was still charged for it. She got no tip either.

Maybe tomorrow will be better. I am going to Hook now. I hope the pussy smells better than my dinner.[/QUOTE]Cousin It,

Anchovies are part of the salad. In the original recipe, the anchovies are pounded and then blended into the dressing. Usually anchovies are used to add a boost of flavour. It is used mostly in dressings, sauces and sautees. The problem with the salads you were served, it seemed is that they serve chunks so people can take it out. If you don´t want anchovies, ask the waiter that you don´t want anchoitas in your food. In the case of the Caesar Salad, you will have to ask them to make your dressing to the order. Usually restaurants will prep the dressing a day ahead.

Hub666

Fellow WSG members,

I am a "virgin visitor" to Buenos Aires and will be making my first trip there in two months time. I have been reading this forum and reviewing the escort websites in preparation for my adventure.

I am seeking information on a chica who features prominently on the escort websites. She is often listed under the name "Maru". I have found this chica to be listed on Platynum no less than 7 times, under the following names:

Aba, Agostina, Angie, Eli, Ivonne, Maru & Zofy.

She also appears on the Area-VIP and Argentina-Escorts websites listed as Maru. This provider also has her own website:

[url]http://www.maruescort.com.ar/[/url]

What I find interesting is that for a chica who is listed so widely and with so many picutres I can barely find a mention of her on the forum. I would like to know the following:

What is the quality of her service? (i.e. Is she a clockwatcher or GFE, is she very sensual or cold and machanical)

Are her body and looks as appealing as the numerous photos of her lead one to believe?

The prices that she lists on her website seem very high by Argentina standards. For example she quotes $100USD for 1 hour of service in her flat. This seems quite high given the prices normally mentioned by other members in their reports, also I have learned from this forum not to negotiate with chicas in USD.

So is it reasonalble for me to expect to pay around 150AR for this chica? Or is she some kind of high class executive provider who only charges high rates no matter what?

If I recieve some positive feedback to this post then I am planning on partaking of Maru's services during my stay in Buenos Aires. In which case I will definately post a report of my experiences.

Regards to all.

Silent Monger

[QUOTE=Silent Monger]If I recieve some positive feedback to this post then I am planning on partaking of Maru's services during my stay in Buenos Aires. In which case I will definately post a report of my experiences.[/QUOTE]
The best thing to do is not to wait for feedback, but when you are here, give her a call, and go see her with pesos.

What you are seeing is Captialism at its finest. If she is charging, and is receiving her stated prices, then there is a demand for her services. If she accepts a lower peso amount from you, then the supply line is not so full. This will vary from hour to hour, depending on her moods, so the only way any of us will ever find out about her is to go knock on her door and see what happens.

Good luck, and let us know.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Been with her 3 times. MAN EATER.

Like the Nike commercial says, JUST DO IT and stop thinking so much. Before you know it the hour will be over and you will be booking her for the following day if she hasn't swallowed you whole.

Starfe

Ive never met the woman so I can't comment on her skills.

But I do know one thing for sure, Maru's got a Visa.

This simple fact might go unnoticed by a rookie Monger but the fact is its a very valuable document. It means she can come and go as she wants into the United States which most girls can't.

But what it really means is she can fly up here for a week or so and Fuck Your brains out.

About a year ago I tried to cut a deal using Adriana the web mistress of Escorts-Argentina to broker a trip for Maru to fly up here and Fuck me for a week. Maru wanted $2,000 dollars plus airfare, but I was only willing to pay $1,000 plus airfare. Since Maru & I had never met and there was no chemistry between us the deal fell threw.

But Im willing to bet if a Monger knew Maru on a personal & intimate basis and there was some chemistry between the two of them she would gladly except the offer of a $1,000 dollars plus airfare for a week. Thats a lot of money, almost $3,000 peso's, more than she'd make in Argentina. Plus the fact she'd be here with a return ticket and could free lance at US prices after the date was over.

Moreover, this business of $100 US dollars per hour is just pure nonsence, thats the "Nose Picker" price. This would be a job for Roxana if the Monger didn't speak spanish to negociate a fare pirce in peso's for an introduction and of course a BBBJ to see if the chemistry is right.

And finally, adding up the costs, $1,000 dollars plus airfare. Roughly $2,000 dollars for a whole week is a whole lot cheaper than flying all the way to Buenos Aires for some quality pussy.

Mongering Tips By

Exon

Exon,
Then you have to Fuck the Same Girl all week and for this Mouse, variety is the "Spice of Life".
MM

WOOOOHOOOOO!

It's been only like 3 months but it seemed an eternity!

Planning on going to Madahos 1 night and having 1 of Roxana's ever enjoyable arrangements on another.

This of course, after I catch up with the latest news & happenings you all have so kindly posted here.

Reports will follow too.

I'll be there the first week of May.

I am soooo happy!

I saw Maru getting on a flight I was on about a year ago. I recognized her immediately even though I never had a session with her. I thought her face was a bit older than that of the pictures.

It's interesting when you look at her website videos, especially the second one, it doesn't show a clear shot of her face. I take that as a warning.

The funny thing is I checked platynum a couple of days later and it had her available at a number in Boston.

[QUOTE=Minimus]The funny thing is I checked platynum a couple of days later and it had her available at a number in Boston.[/QUOTE]
Minimus,

Having a U.S. number, or any other country's number is not uncommon once these girl get a taste of travel and more $$. Many of them travel world wide, and can easily make 15-20,000 in a month. The Visa requirements make it a lot harder now, but for the ones that have it, travel is part of the norm.

Moondog

If it interests anyone, Dani, the madura of Platynum fame, also travels to the US. I have considered taking her to Miami for a spell.

I did not inquire to rates however.

[QUOTE=Minimus]If it interests anyone, Dani, the madura of Platynum fame, also travels to the US. I have considered taking her to Miami for a spell.

I did not inquire to rates however.[/QUOTE]
Make sue you have a few sessions with her first to see how you two will get along physically and emotionally. Then, and only then, if you two click, invite her to the States.

Moondog

Thanks to all who posted regarding Maru.

Well given her US visa and her jet setting habits it does seem she is a high priced girl! Perhaps she will turn her nose up at my 150 pesos, and if she does well there are plenty more fish in the sea, or anchovies as it were (pardon the pun, Cousin It), so I am sure I can find plenty of other chicas to satisfy my testosterone driven desires!

[QUOTE=MoonDog]The best thing to do is not to wait for feedback, but when you are here, give her a call, and go see her with pesos.

What you are seeing is Captialism at its finest. If she is charging, and is receiving her stated prices, then there is a demand for her services. If she accepts a lower peso amount from you, then the supply line is not so full. This will vary from hour to hour, depending on her moods, so the only way any of us will ever find out about her is to go knock on her door and see what happens.

Good luck, and let us know.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog[/QUOTE]Good advice MoonDog and I shall do just that! I look forward to letting you all know my results.

[QUOTE=Exon123]Ive never met the woman so I can't comment on her skills.

But I do know one thing for sure, Maru's got a Visa.

This simple fact might go unnoticed by a rookie Monger but the fact is its a very valuable document. It means she can come and go as she wants into the United States which most girls can't.

But what it really means is she can fly up here for a week or so and Fuck Your brains out.[/QUOTE]Interesting idea Exon, but I don't live in the States however and so for me it would be easier to fly to Buenos Aires and try my luck with Maru there. Argentina also offers me the opportunity to try a totally different range of women, and a different attitude to service, as my local scene is getting boring and unsatisfying.

[QUOTE=Exon123]This would be a job for Roxana if the Monger didn't speak spanish to negociate a fare pirce in peso's for an introduction and of course a BBBJ to see if the chemistry is right.[/QUOTE]Indeed I may recruit the talents of Roxana for this task. Thanks Exon!

[QUOTE=Starfe]Been with her 3 times. MAN EATER.

Like the Nike commercial says, JUST DO IT and stop thinking so much. Before you know it the hour will be over and you will be booking her for the following day if she hasn't swallowed you whole.

Starfe[/QUOTE]Thanks Starfe. I’m a man on a mission, to come to Buenos Aires and hide the salami between the sumptuous breasts of Maru! Starfe since you have had the pleasure of Maru’s company would you mind telling me what rates she charged you?

Thanks fellas, when I am in BsAs I hope I can meet up with some of you over a steak and a bottle of red!

Silent Monger

Dani is one of my favorites. I actually decided against the idea myself, but that is solid advice for any monger considering that step.

BTW, who is down there during Memorial Day? Haven't see you guys since the Thanksgiving dinner.

Funny, I read your criticism of Orleans -- a fairly common one over the years that I've been reading/posting. In my last 6 visits spread over the last 4 months, I haven't found the girls to be old.

In fact, during the day, 80-90% were under 25, let alone 30. And, the nice thing is that lighting is natural. Not even florescent, let alone black! The girls look the same in the club, on the street, and in your room.

The older ones I've seen seem to have their own clientele. Madura seekers, I guess. Not my thing, but on one occasion a straight-jacket wouldn't have held back a buddy of mine from taking one for double the price.

Jav'

My long awaited trip finally came as I arrive in BA earlier in the morning, got some rest, met up with a buddy, and headed out to Orleans. Although it is my first time in BA and I heard conflicting info regarding Orleans being packed with old hoes, my buddy and I didn't think so. Honestly, compared to the US, these hoes are way hotter and way nicer. Can't complain. We pulled two chicas back to the apartamento for a couple of hours. Prior to meeting these two girls some other girl tried to get me for $100USD. I guess she recognized the new jacks! But after reading all your posts over the last month or two, I knew right off that the hoe was overpriced - way overpriced. Anyway, we got the other two girls for 150P each + 40P exit fee. We told the two we would meet them back at the apartment about an hour and half later and actually they were prompt! They wanted the cash upfront but we told them despues! It was on after that!

Great providers. We must have switched up with those hoes a couple of times too. All positions, BBJ, complete, etc. All good.

So far it has been a great first day!

Hollywood.

I went to Madahos with a friend. Although I speak some spanish I suggest that the best way is to write everything on a paper for the taxies to read including your address in Argentina so they can find it if they don´t understand you.

I found out that you need to order a girl a drink before you can take her back to your apartment. That is fine since I like to talk to a girl 1st to see if I like her. There is also a cover charge but it includes 1 drink for yourself. I like Argentina and I like the selection of different girls to choose from. I did end up taking one back with me, but she stayed only a little over an hour not all night.

If anyone wants to get together for lunch or a drink while I am here, let me know by pm me. I can not promise I will check this web site in time to read your pm since I am very busy.

I have not stayed in a hotel, but I like that having an apartment I don´t have to worry about the hotels carding a girl or anything else.

Hollywood,

You paid an exit fee at Orleans? I thought this was Cafe where the girls were allowed to hang out. Anyone can confirm?

[blue]There is no exit fee at Orleans.

Jackson[/blue]

Player,
Madahos is a fleece joint (well they all are to some extent, but Madahos has gone over the top). Don't be afraid to branch out. Read the posts under "Clubs and Boliches."

Hollywood,
I had a favorita in Orleans for about a year and a half. Unless things have changed at Orleans, there is no exit fee. Management charges the girls $40 pesos per day to sit in the cafe and they can eat whatever they want. If you sit in Orleans for a while, you will see many girls coming back the same day.

-HGL

I think you have the wrong idea if you worry about hotels "carding" a girl. It is for your protection, and, believe me, you are MUCH more likely to have problems bringing a girl to your apartment then to a hotel.

If a girl doesn't have an ID, or is underage, you are MUCH better off finding out at the front desk then in some other way!

David

Hollywood,

The girls may want you to pay the 40 peso fee that the cafe charges them to work there, but that is your choice. Just remember, she may have had three guys pay the fee before you the same day.

Moondog

Looks like there may be a storm brewing in the southern Atlantic

[QUOTE=MoonDog]Hollywood,

The girls may want you to pay the 40 peso fee that the cafe charges them to work there, but that is your choice. Just remember, she may have had three guys pay the fee before you the same day.

Moondog[/QUOTE]

Moondog,

Yes, I was required to pay the 40P exit fee not to the girl but to the bartender/waiter guy. Should I have not paid? If so, thanks for the info. I don't want to drop another 40P if I don't have to.

Muchas gracias,

Senior Moondog.

[b]Required?[/b] You are [b]required[/b] to pay taxes and die. Unless, of course, you qualify for the "foreign earned income exclusion," as I do. Then you are only [b]required[/b] to die eventually. The death rate is one per capita.

[QUOTE=Dickhead][b]Required?[/b] You are [b]required[/b] to pay taxes and die. Unless, of course, you qualify for the "foreign earned income exclusion," as I do. Then you are only [b]required[/b] to die eventually. The death rate is one per capita.[/QUOTE]


Much respect to you guys. Now another subject. I imagine not all of you guys prefer going to discoteques but I would like to know from any of the younger guys (or anyone for that matter) which is the best (and I mean the best) discoteque in town. VIP tables etc. Hopefully you guys will reply in the next few hours. I heard Asia de Cuba was good. What other clubs are good? I need to get out of the apartment and want to experience a different scene tonight. Thanks in advance.

Hollywood

[QUOTE=Hollywood]Much respect to you guys. Now another subject. I imagine not all of you guys prefer going to discoteques but I would like to know from any of the younger guys (or anyone for that matter) which is the best (and I mean the best) discoteque in town. VIP tables etc. Hopefully you guys will reply in the next few hours. I heard Asia de Cuba was good. What other clubs are good? I need to get out of the apartment and want to experience a different scene tonight. Thanks in advance.

Hollywood[/QUOTE]

Don't know if I caught you in time.
Yes Asia de Cuba is a good club and so is Opera Bay, which is also in Puerto Madero. Both are very upscale. Music in both places tends to be electronic, but Opera Bay has several dance floors and plays other types of music.

The "best" club is in the eye of the beholder. Depends what scene you like. There's so much going on in this city.

I'm not sure I'd call Asia de Cuba upscale given that I and many others wore jeans the last time I was there. Well, I wasn't dancing on sawdust and cigarette stubs. Just dress hip. There are lots of young women there outnumbering the men. Fun place.

Other than those two in Puerto Madero, hit one here in Palermo Viejo, Costanera Norte or any place else other than the Recoleta tourist trap.

Niceto Club
Niceto Vega 5510 between Humboldt and Fitz Roy
[url]http://www.nicetoclub.com/[/url]
Best night is Thursday for Club 69. Maybe too popular.

Mint
Av. Costanera Rafael Obligado
I haven't hit it yet but this has been recommended to me more than once.

Here's a good link listing what clubs to go to on what night.

[url]http://www.almesberger.net/fun/night.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Hollywood]Moondog,

Yes, I was required to pay the 40P exit fee not to the girl but to the bartender/waiter guy. Should I have not paid? If so, thanks for the info. I don't want to drop another 40P if I don't have to.[/QUOTE]
Dickhead has got it right, as usual. :) The decision to pay her fee is yours and yours alone.

Moondog

The bartender probably kept it and charged her as well.

Dear Gentlemen,

from reading the many good reports on this forum I have noticed that people tend not to pay the provider until after the service is completed. This is very unusual for me.

In my local mongering scene it is almost manditory to pay for services upfront, otherwise the service will simply be refused!

So how do you guys get away with this, is it that this is just the cultural norm among the mongering community of BsAs?

When I am in BsAs if a girl demands up-front payment should I refuse?

Now given that many mongers do not pay up-front for the service does this mean you are assuming the right not to pay at all if you are unsatisfied with the service you recieve? How does this work and what lee-way do I have here?

Thanks for your help, this forum and it's contributors have been very valuable in preparing for my adventure there.

Regards,

Silent Monger

[QUOTE=Silent Monger].......When I am in BsAs if a girl demands up-front payment should I refuse?....[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. It is the "norm" here, as opposed to USA. However, I always clear up this and some other points with them before I take them out. If you don't, chances are that they will ask money up front. At this point, it is your call whether you will continue or send them away with taxi fare. For brothels and clubs like "Rio Cabaña", you have to pay up front.

[QUOTE]Now given that many mongers do not pay up-front for the service does this mean you are assuming the right not to pay at all if you are unsatisfied with the service you recieve? How does this work and what lee-way do I have here?....Silent Monger[/QUOTE]
If you are looking for a freebie on the ground of technicality.....don't. However, if you had negotiated something like BBBJ, anal etc. and she did not deliver, then you may deduct some of the payment. Don't try to stiff them totally, once you partook in the service. If a chica is notorious and delivers terrible service, write about her on this board. I am sure all of us will take note and scratch her off our wish list. Read Jackson's experience about Barbara in 1707 Santa Fe thread. Its very educational for BA mongers.

Bandy

Silent Monger
bandy is right, the idea is not to get a freebie due to a technicality. The issue is more about power, in a chicas mind once you pay that money is earned and her thoughts are on where the next money is coming from. When they don't have it in their pocket it's not theirs yet. In this country when they talk about getting paid for a job they use the word "gana" (I think that's right, my spelling sucks equally bad in Castillano as it does in English) it's the word for win, I don't think they have the concept of "earn".

Also they really are responsive to men they percieve as powerful, one of the ways you hold power is to not do things as they want them but as you want them. These honeys deserve a bit of respect and affection but never forget they are there to serve you and never the other way around, though a little daty does go a long, long way to having a nice session.

Clearly state that the price is in Peso's, look them right in the eye and tell them your requirements whatever they may be, then tell them you will pay them after and not before. If they try to change the deal back at the homestead cancel the action. When they ask for cab fare tell them you are not going back to the club they work at so their cab problems are their problem not yours. Be resilute and the "misunderstanding" will go away. If it doesn't go find another.

I've said it a million times here, there is absolutly no shortage of beautiful available women in BsAs and the only time the market is controled by supply is when there is a shortage or when the consumer doesn't understand the power they have. My buddy says it the best, "Be a King" expect to be served, if the service isn't what you want go get another. Don't be an asshole, just be firm. If your from the States then you have been conditioned that what your doing is shameful. It's not, it's fun. Fucking without commitment is fun so be the best putanero you can be and have a blast.

The exception to this is privados, you must pay in advance in apartments. 1707 in my opinion has jacked up the price too high with mandatory propinas, they are at the point that whatever you pay for an hour only includes intercourse and you have to pay extra for anything else. Avoid it and go to another.

[QUOTE=Silent Monger]Dear Gentlemen,

from reading the many good reports on this forum I have noticed that people tend not to pay the provider until after the service is completed. This is very unusual for me.

In my local mongering scene it is almost manditory to pay for services upfront, otherwise the service will simply be refused!

So how do you guys get away with this, is it that this is just the cultural norm among the mongering community of BsAs?

When I am in BsAs if a girl demands up-front payment should I refuse?

Now given that many mongers do not pay up-front for the service does this mean you are assuming the right not to pay at all if you are unsatisfied with the service you recieve? How does this work and what lee-way do I have here?

Thanks for your help, this forum and it's contributors have been very valuable in preparing for my adventure there.

Regards,

Silent Monger[/QUOTE]All terms in any contract are negotiable. You have just as much power to set and refuse any terms as the other party. You too can simply refuse! It's so easy! She's got something you want and you've got something she wants. Think just like her. You have this wad of cash. What does she need to do and how does she need to do it for you to agree to hand her that cash? It's up to you. She does the same thing with what she has and what she needs from you. You're equal.

I don't know about the other post about how in the USA the norm is to pay up front. I don't agree. I've done hundreds of women for pay over a decade or more there and have seen it both ways. I've usually insisted on paying afterwards and have walked out if they made a big deal about it. Some localities may lean more one way than the other but you can always negotiate. They don't have to agree nor do you. You both can agree or you can agree to disagree and talk to someone else.

I haven't paid anyone up front on this trip at either the massage parlours or café takeout. As a matter of fact, I have never been asked for the money. I've simply left it on the table at the end before taking a shower. It's never been discussed. Here I wouldn't even consider paying up front because I know these women have little bargaining power. They can absorb the risk rather than me. I'm happy to learn in this thread that the apartments demand money up front because now I won't have to waste my time paying them a visit. There are too many options here, too many women hanging around waiting for something to happen, to bother with that!

I also would not pay taxi fare for someone if I thought they were pulling something on me. An honest misunderstanding? Well, maybe then. My fault? Certainly. But not if some atypical condition were introduced by them. Just as you have to pay for your own gas home if you don't complete a deal when going to visit some provider, these girls can pay their own way home too. Any lady here asking for money up front knows that it's unusual. She's taking a risk of the deal falling through and can pay the consequences.

I read in yesterday's Buenos Aires Herald that the average university-educated professional in this city earns about $1,200 (pesos) a month. That's about $300 a week. A lady seeing two clients at $150 each per week will earn that. She also won't pay any taxes on that I'm sure. OK, she's got some business expenses like her mobile phone, clothes, and "bar fines". Add another client or so. In any case, a lady seeing a client every other day or so will be doing about as well as other average professionals in this economy, relatively speaking. It'll still be rough but not as bad as a whole lot of other people here. If she's cut out for this job she'll have cab fare.

By the way, not that it matters much, but I reward great service and attitude with generous propinas. Risk/reward, no?

Over the last 3 years in BsAs, I've only been asked once upfront. I'd always thought I'd put it on the night stand in clear view if it became an issue and the lady was to die for, but that hasn't happened to me in BsAs (and I'm not nearly as charming as a DH...)

Personally, I do not even discuss money. If they bring it up, we either agree or modify it. Performance based salary. If they are really good, then reward them accordingly. If it is just eat and run, then pay minumum wage. Personal opinion only.

The cartoon below this message shows a good reason not to pay in advance.

Moondog

In my two weeks in Recoleta in March, only had one chick (from Affaire Recoleta) ask for an up front, she changed her mind quick when I showed her the door

On the other hand, I never try to grind on the fee or propina (if any), we are not buying used cars

"Error on the side of the GFE"--what is a few bucks one way or the other?

Veterano