American Politics during the Bush Presidency

Guys yes him and all his lousy cronies are fucking things up big time. Man I can not believe now the dollar is almost 2 to 1 to the real. He fucked up shit to in Peru even with garcia or humala coiming to fuck up Peru more the dollar to the sol there is 3.30. Shit man this pisses me off. How long will it stay 3 to 1 in Argentina? I bet if it does a couple years more like this it will be an act of god. Saw good news for awhile that the mexican peso was almost at 11 to the dollar now its getting strong again and going back to the 10 spot. Man this is just insane. I still can not figure out how a clown like Bush got re-elected? Guys post back here on this cause this makes me furious.

Yes He is still fucking the economy on our country. Now he will give an amnesty plan to ilegals for 6 years. He denies it but says it is true. Man this guy just keeps on doing bad things to us. Will the troops on the borders work? We should try to see this year. I know the warehouse my wife works at there are over 200 ilegal aliens. Man this is insane. Hey but if you oppose this you are racist. Look at those lefty scum that attacked the minutemen in D. C. Damn they called them the minuteklan. Yes Mister Bush lets spy on the minutemen and not spy on the ilegals. Man this administration is such a fairy tale joke and wrong. What has happened to the you. S. Bad Stuff. Yes. These Neo-cons are just taking our country to the dumps. How about the exon owner getting a 144,000 a day? Pure insanity. These people are just robbing The you. S. How about these idiots with George Bush stickers on there car? Man do these people know we are getting sacked? It just unfair on this. I want a future for my kid. People like Bush, Luis Guttierz, Bill Richards and others supporting the reconqistas, la raza and menscha. Its horribbble. La Raza wants any white male over 16 years old slaughtered and also interacial couples eliminated. Man and our government with corrupt Vicente Fox support these Mexican Nazis. We need to all get along. Again Yes Bush / Cheney and others are bringing our country down. Lets fight for justice people before it is too late, Sincerly Nibu Raphael.

Will you shut the hell up, you fucking moron. Go crawl back under the rock you crawled out from.

Why Jackson doesn't ban you like that shithead alter ego of yours, I don't know.

You add absolutely nothing to this board with your imbecilic posts. Not one goddamn thing.

[blue]Hi Hunt99,

I don't ban him because he doesn't break the rules.

Believe it or not, the Forum's Posting Guidelines do not require coherent writing or intelligent contributions.

Nevertheless, I share your sentiments.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Hunt99]Will you shut the hell up, you fucking moron. Go crawl back under the rock you crawled out from.

Why Jackson doesn't ban you like that shithead alter ego of yours, I don't know.

You add absolutely nothing to this board with your imbecilic posts. Not one goddamn thing.

[blue]Hi Hunt99,

I don't ban him because he doesn't break the rules.

Believe it or not, the Forum's Posting Guidelines do not require coherent writing or intelligent contributions.

Nevertheless, I share your sentiments.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]Hey, Hunt, tell us how you really feel. Annoying yes, but no reason to shit all over him. Can't you just IGNORE his posts?

"Lets fight for justice people before it is too late, Sincerly Nibu Raphael."

Personally I do not get too excited about politics because it is all the same. I have my own thoughts on our countrys security but all the other issues are just a matter of who to tax or who to give money to. But folks who are always demanding something be done do interest me.

What exactly is Nibu doing to correct all these problems? Donations to other political parties? Active in local, state or national issue groups? Organizing petitions and demonstrations for change? If he is taking a stand that's great, if not, why not?

Or is he just mouthing off and watching Michael Moore movies all day long (which I enjoy for their entertainment value)

Ol Nibu doesn't bother me much unless he's flooding multiple threads with his peculiar brand of wackiness. I'd like to see him drunk for about 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=Thomaso276]

What exactly is Nibu doing to correct all these problems?[/QUOTE]Don't you get it, Thomaso? It's all one big, fucking windup. If you read back to his posts in the past, he would go on and on about "scummy Communists like Chavez in Venezuela." He doesn't believe anything, it's all about being a cocksucking troll. And unlike Exon, I don't mean it with affection.

I don't give a damn about his political opinions, if he went back to being the fire-eating right-winger he posted like a few months ago, I'd still say he is a fucking louse. It has nothing to do with the substance of his opinions (which is a big fat zero) and all about the waste of bandwidth we get from this cretin blowing his spooge all over the board with his illiterate, jerking-our-collective-chains nonsense.

I'd like to know what you guys think:

1. What should be done about the North Korean missile situation? What action should be taken (if any) and by who?

2. What about the Iran nuclear situation, same questions.

I'm not looking for how the world got to this point, or who's at fault, we've heard all that, its history and we can't go back. So how should the world and the USA deal with these issues?

Punter 127

King George Walker Bush should:

1. NUKE EM!

2. NUKE EM!

No more problems!

[QUOTE=Norman Stormin]King George Walker Bush should:

1. NUKE EM!

2. NUKE EM!

No more problems![/QUOTE]A couple of Democrat big-wigs advocated pretty much this solution for North Korea in an op-ed in today's Washington Post. John Kerry has been advocating a pre-emptive attack on Iran, as well.

Cognitive dissonance from the "cut and run" party.

Funny how they're eager to get involved in wars, but genetically don't have the balls to finish the job when the going might get a little tough. At least not since Harry Truman, the best Democrat president ever.

Bush loving supporter of family values (whatever that is) gets caught with illegal Viagra after a trip to the Dominican Republic. I wonder what he was doing there. Lecturing 20-year-old Dominicanas on the benefit of corporate tax giveaways?

Link to AP story.

[url]http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20060627/D8IGA3VO0.html?PG=home&SEC=news[/url]

So Rush Limbaugh is a monger.

That doesn't do much for our image. He's a piece of shit regardless of his politics and a hypocrite before this story.

Even odds, do you think he was sessioning with girls or boys in the Dominican Republic?

On the chi<0>s. Generally, the more devout these neocons seem to be, the more skeletons they have in the closet.

[QUOTE=Moore]So Rush Limbaugh is a monger.

That doesn't do much for our image. He's a piece of shit regardless of his politics and a hypocrite before this story.

Even odds, do you think he was sessioning with girls or boys in the Dominican Republic?[/QUOTE]He might be an equal opportunity kid fucker or in to something a bit off kilter with adults. Polymorphous perverse maybe. Maybe he's meeting Donovan McNabb, or more likely he and Karl Rove are masturbating together while they gaze at one another in a full length mirror. That'll put you off your feed!

I could not care less about what happens to Rush Limbaugh, but the fact that they hassled him over Viagra, does give me some concern. I know lots of guys bring vitamin V home from BsAs. Has anybody had any problems?

[QUOTE=Punter 127]I could not care less about what happens to Rush Limbaugh, but the fact that they hassled him over Viagra, does give me some concern. I know lots of guys bring vitamin V home from BsAs. Has anybody had any problems?[/QUOTE]Seems the problem was that the prescription was not in his name. Probably not a big issue, and apparently cleared up by his physician. His doc is probably doing him a favor by putting some "questionable" prescriptions in his own name (given Rush's history of major "fraud" in that area re: Oxycontin) I am not an expert in this field, but if your script for whatever is in your own name you should not have a problem. However if you are running around from one country to another with 10 bottles of Xanax, and none in your name, expect some issues.

Maybe Mpexy can add some info here. My bet is that Rush would not have had a problem without his legal history.

Perhaps a customs agent wanted to harrass Rush. Detained for a bottle of viagra, come on. But Rush arriving from Dominican Republic with it makes a good story.

I know a lot of guys that are buying, using, and bringing home 'vitamin V' don't have a prescription. Hell I know a guy that brought 5 boxes of 20 back on his last trip, and nobody said a word.

I could bring back 20 kilos of heroin and nobody would say a word, [b][i]if[/b][/i] I didn't get searched. My guess is the Dominican Republic's customs' agents knew nothing of Rush's history; they just looked in his belongings and the name on the script didn't match the name on the passport. Ummm, that's illegal and always has been.

I'm betting in the long run Rush gets pinched again for drugs and ends up doing time over it.

I've known a few people that got hooked on pills over the years, there was no way they were about to give them up, Rush is no exception.

Moreover, I'm betting Rush doesn't need a prescription to buy pills in the DR. He was probably partying while he was there.

Its also interesting to note he likes "Black Chica's"

We'll have to wait and see what he comes up with for a reason for getting pinched.

Exon.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]I could bring back 20 kilos of heroin and nobody would say a word, [b][i]if[/b][/i] I didn't get searched. My guess is the Dominican Republic's customs' agents knew nothing of Rush's history; they just looked in his belongings and the name on the script didn't match the name on the passport. Ummm, that's illegal and always has been.[/QUOTE]He was searched; he was pulled aside at EZE, for a random search, shoes and carry on. They were pulling about 1 of every 6 people; they didn't say a thing about the 'vitamin V'. I guess they were not looking for drugs.

But they did take my book matches?

I only know the medical side of the law, not the don't-put-me in jail side of the law for the fine nuances.

But all possession, importation, distribution, and / or manufacture of drugs from big companies down to physicians to end patients in the United States fall under the Controlled Substances Act. In short, every drug has a category under which it falls - Schedule I to Schedule V to non-classified (which means you can pack 10 cases of the stuff and you're fine)

Schedule I - no one wants to be caught with these. These are drugs that might be legal elsewhere in the world, but the United States has decided a) it has no currently accepted medical treatment use, and be) too dangerous for use even under medical supervision. Doctors can never prescribe a Schedule I drug, and mere possession whether you have a script for it or not is going to get you in trouble with whatever specific penalty each state or federal law applies for that type of drug. This category includes addictive drugs like meth, DMT, heroin, LSD, and more dubiously political drugs like GHB and marajuana.

Schedule II - One step lower but still fairly serious drugs, and oddly enough cocaine falls here because technically under certain circumstances it can be used by prescription as a topical anaesthetic. Although usually in the derivative form of eucaine. All schedule II drugs are only available by prescription and every single dosage from manufacture to distribution is strictly controlled. Possession of them has to be in your name for that prescription. Possession of non-prescribed schedule II drugs can get you in trouble. Rush's OxyContin from a purely technical side was the big deal it was because techincally OxyContin is a Schedule II drug. I'm sure there was politics behind it which I don't want to get into, but it's a lot easier to make politics out of someone getting caught with a Schedule II drug than some Schedule IV drug.

Schedule III - same as schedule II for prescription only but lot less distribution controls. Ketamine, codeine, anabolic steroids, etc all fall under this category. Same for possession - prescription better be under your name or technically you could be charged with unlawful possession of a controlled substrance.

Schedule IV - this is the hollywood crowd drug supermarket - all your usual mild sedatives - Xanax, Valium, other benzos, Ambien, barbituates and other phenobarbitals, etc. They are all again prescription only, but there's little to zero distribution controls. However, possession is still by your name script only. I don't know how other states do it, but in California, while it's technically a violation of the CSA to possess a non-prescribed Schedule IV drug, I don't recall ever hearing someone getting charged much less busted for it. I suppose it's up to the DA or ADA deciding how free their calendar is or whether there is some politics behind it.

Schedule V - some by prescription only, some non-prescription like your cough suppressants, anticonvulsants, etc. Technically like above, but it would be surprising for the Feds or State to charge you with possession.

Schedule VI - this is not a fed control, but a state by state regulation. Non-drug items like inhalants (amyl nitrate or poppers) nitrous oxide, etc. Are controlled here by some states. Oregon went nuts awhile back and decided any over the counter cold medication with pseduoephedrine (think Nyquil) now needed to be by prescription only as a Schedule VI drug. The supposed rationale was that in Oregon there was / is apparently an army of drug lords using the pseudoephedrine in cold medications to help manufacture methamphetamine. I suppose these drug lords all don't have cars and can't just step over the border to Washington but oh well.

Non-classified - free for all.

For the Rush case that spurred this question - I have no idea why he was detained or even had his doctor have to vouch for him. Sildenafil or Viagra is not a controlled substance - it's prescription only to obtain them yes, and technically if they can prove purchase without prescription was made it's illegal, but it's not a Schedule classified drug. So while it may require a prescripton to obtain it, there's no control over possession. If he had been caught with Xanax which is a controlled substance, that would be one thing - but Viagra is a non-controlled prescription only drug. Physicans don't even need a special license to prescribe it like with most controlled substances so that it can be monitored - it just falls under the general script authority.

[QUOTE=Exon123]I'm betting in the long run Rush gets pinched again for drugs and ends up doing time over it.

I've known a few people that got hooked on pills over the years, there was no way they were about to give them up, Rush is no exception.

Moreover, I'm betting Rush doesn't need a prescription to buy pills in the DR. He was probably partying while he was there.

Its also interesting to note he like's "Black Chica's"

We'll have to wait and see what he comes up with for a reason for getting pinched.

Exon.[/QUOTE]The guy is a walking contradiction. On air, a vehement religious conservative, off air, a pill popping, minority fucking hedonist. He's not so bad after all!:D

Mpexy: Show me credible evidence that LSD is addictive.

Punter: Yeah, that's here in Argentina. They search him in Miami or wherever in SP, could and probably would be a different story.

Some comments on Mpexy's post-and thanks for the info. I have never seen any evidence of LSD being addictive, and if there is "any" it is more bogus horseshit cooked up by the righteous right. Limbaugh's run in with the law was clearly not political. It may have ended up with alot of politics involved because of his notoriety, but he was HEAVILY involved in working multiple physicians for scripts of oxy and derivitives. I don't remember the details, but recall at the time being amazed at the extent of his involvement, addiction wise and with the expected legal ramifications. Those kinds of cases ARE prosecuted regularly, but with folks not as well known, and plea bargains are frequent. Yes, his case became a political football, but there were legit criminal offenses. In fact, he is probably lucky he was caught. It sounds like he was out of control and being out of control with Oxy is very dangerous. Ask any ER doc.

I'm not going to become embroiled in a debate on LSD, whether of it's properties or political position on use. So this is my first and last reply on it.

Re-read my post, which I now regret even making. People just don't read and jump on whatever pet hobby horse they want to beat. First, it's not me saying one way or the other whether LSD is addicitive, I was stating what the CSA Schedule classification of drugs generally consider as the criteria to place drugs in that schedule level.

Generally, if a drug is considered of no medical use, highly abusive and / or addicitive, and / or too unsafe to use even under medical supervision, a drug is considered a Scheduled I controlled substance. However there are exceptions if you want to be specific and go down this road - take flunitrazepam or Rohypnol - it used to be a Schedule IV drug, got moved up to Schedule III, and now being processed for Schedule I. That's more political than medical for the classification of rohypnol as a Schedule I drug.

For exact criteria for why and / or how LSD got onto the schedule one list you'll have to ask the DEA and the Feds. Like I said, I was just stating the medical side of the law that physicians have to be aware of as part of prescribing controlled substances.

If you don't think LSD should be classified generally as addicitive, good for you. I'd say that's just believing what you want to believe. On the neurochemical side, you have some support to think that way if you only choose to interpret one facet of it. Specifically that LSD is rapidly absorbed and after repeated use will have lesser and lesser effect if continually used in most individuals, and there has been little to no linkage to neurochemical reliance or compulsive behaviour association similar to cocaine, nicotine, etc. After halting use for some days, the hallucinogenic mental state can be usually felt again. So you can choose to interpret this as a non-chemical reliance and no real physical addition state.

Personally, I'd consider that foolish. Entire drug rehab call centers and hospital staff that see LSD "addicts" who are strongly addicted psychologically to the desired mental effects of LSD would disagree. Myself included. Whether you are hooked physically or psychologically to the effects of the drug is just as much an addiction in my mind as the actual neurochemical reliance on the drug iteself.

Either way though, it's in the end irrelevant - LSD is a Schedule I controlled substance and considered addicitve by the United States. Go howl at the Feds if you disagree, I'm just relaying what it's classification is vis a vis the schedule level.

Mpexy,

Sorry you felt blindsided about the LSD thing. That certainly was not my intent. You are in the unfortunate position of having alot of knowledge about issues that can stir up debate. And yes, LSD as addictive is an interest of mine. My comments were certainly not personal in nature as regards LSD, Limbaugh or anything else. Thanks for the input.

Doggboy

I did LSD every day for twenty years and I wasn't addicted.

[QUOTE=Doggboy]The guy is a walking contradiction. On air, a vehement religious conservative, off air, a pill popping, minority fucking hedonist. He's not so bad after all!:D[/QUOTE]You obviously have never spent much time listening to the show.

Doggboy demonstrates that it's always easier to attack a non-existent strawman than to have a thoughtful opinion. The guy has never come across as a prude or a bigot, nor has he ever discussed his religious beliefs when I have listened.

[QUOTE=Hunt99]You obviously have never spent much time listening to the show.

Doggboy demonstrates that it's always easier to attack a non-existent strawman than to have a thoughtful opinion. The guy has never come across as a prude or a bigot, nor has he ever discussed his religious beliefs when I have listened.[/QUOTE]Hunt99,

I'll confess that I MAY have overstepped with the inference that Rush is a religious nut, but the bigot issue seems pretty clear. His thinly veiled racist statements about Donovan McNabb a few years back were enough evidence for me. AND, if he is not a racist, those kinds of statements indicate something even worse-a pandering to his racist listeners. I will say that Rush is old news, and not a strawman anymore for many. That said, "celebs" on either side of the political fence will be skewered from time to time for their indiscretions. Whether they are the Rushes of the world, or the Kennedys.;)

Obviously us here in Europe watched the devastation of hurricane Katrina on our news channels.

Today in our papers is a picture of 10,000 (yes ten thousand) mobile homes laying empty in an airfield in Arkansas. Each new one costing £18,000.00 and £125,000.00 a month to store them.

Also stated is that 335 individuals have been filed with criminal charges.

Out of this terrible tragedy some people are making lots of money. Why and how?

New Orleans politcians are trained in Buenos Aires. Historically it is a very corrupt area.

[QUOTE=Thomaso276]New Orleans politcians are trained in Buenos Aires. Historically it is a very corrupt area.[/QUOTE]I think it may be the other way around. Buenos Aires politicians are trained in New Orleans.

To all you North American Colonial Mongers: Lay one today for "Old Glory"!

And for you Loyalists whose ancestors "missed the boat": God Save the Queen! And Tony Blair too!

Happy Independence day to all my fellow Americans. And thanks for the British Rock & Roll invasion.

Latex is for Halloween masks. I hate condoms. It feels so good not having to use a condom when I have sex with my novia in Estados Unidos. I, m also not into paying for sex. But variety is nice.

[QUOTE]And for you Loyalists whose ancestors "missed the boat": God Save the Queen![/QUOTE]80 years young and still going strong, God bless you mam

The British tried to take Buenos Aires in 1805, and were reppelled by gauchos and militia.