Buenos Aires - 2002 Reports

I think 100 pesos is a little low. I generally agree to 150 pesos. 200 if she´s very hot or if I know her already. Trying to be generous. I´ve also been known to give out 300 if the girl is unbelievably hot.

Don´t forget about the other costs. 20-25 pesos to get in a club with one drink included. I generally go to 2 or 3 clubs before deciding on a girl. Sometimes I go back to a previous club if the later ones are dry. Then the bar tab for the girl. I´ve been charged 60-120 pesos. Even at the same club. One night I go in and it´s 60, the next night it´s 120 for the same drinks. Playwoman is especially bad at this.

Figure another 20-30 pesos on tips for the waitress, doorman, etc.

In total, I generally budget 300-400 or so for a short session with a girl. TLN is better value.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by zde
[i]Hello again: Please let me know whether I understand the scene correctly. Full service for two hours by a girl from a club costs on average about 100 pesos. Is that right? I was also

Justgotback. My email is saintofba@hotmail.com. And please just refer to my friends as my friends. No need to mention size, race, religion or any other descriptions. No offense but it's not very polite.

The vast number of girls do not know of specific website addresses and hopefully it stays that way for a while but many of you have big mouths. Do NOT ever mention internet sites. I agree that public sites are helpful to the vast majority but due to indiscreet guys I am looking forward to the private site going up soon and utilizing the other private sites I belong to. In fact, probably all future trip reports might not give specific names of girls I see and I won't email any more pics out to you guys. (Sorry but most of my pictures are on pay sites that ensure that girls can't see them without a password).

Saint

[QUOTE]Originally posted by justgotback
[i]Even at the same club. One night I go in and it´s 60, the next night it´s 120 for the same drinks. Playwoman is especially bad at this.
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These clubs all have so many tricks, most around the price of the drinks/exit fees.

Some clubs, some nights exit drinks can only be champagne and cost 60 pesos each for two drinks, some nights they can be two beers for 40.

I think it's what ever they can get away with. If you argue it and they think you will return they will usually give you a break. The scams are endless. Some clubs like Playwoman and Solid Gold ( I call this club Solid Silicon) have free admission - no drink tickets at the door but once you enter the waitresses are all over you to buy a drink, so why not just charge at the door like most of the other clubs?

If you come early to Solid Sold you see the prettiest chicas dancing, only to find out when the customers arrive that they really waitresses and not for take-out.

I made the mistake of setting down with one of these "waitresses", only to have another waitress rush over and set down a drink at our table. Presumably i was set up to buy a waitress a drink from another waitress.

it's all kind of interesting to get into the mindset of the clubs and figure all the schemes they have to get as much money (drinks) as possible from the customers.

ZDE:

Some people speak English, but not most of them.

Respect to cultural venues, Buenos Aires is as active as New York or London:

- Corrientes Av between Callao Av and 9 de Julio Av has dozens of cafe concerts, movie theaters, libraries, music halls and the like.

- The Museo Nacional de Bellas Artes (Libertador Av and Pueyredon Av, Recoleta) has great collection of local and European artwork.

- Teatro Colon is a place to go if you are into Opera and classical music.

- In Clarin newspaper of Friday, you can find all the shows and performances that are in town for the weekend.

- For visitors, there is a lot of tang shows and concerts.

Argentina is a very big country in extension, so it's difficult to go to nearby countries like in Europe, with the exception of going to Uruguay from Buenos Aires.

Student unions are usually not much organized for foreign visitors, as far as I know, so don't count on them too much. They may ask you for money.

Hope this helps,

Andres

Jamesbond69:

Even though the issue was discussed before, please try to stick to the local price as much as possible. Otherwise, girls will start raising the bar and I will become reluctant to report from places that cater to locals.

Andres

[blue]Exactly how I feel on the subject.

Jackson[/blue]

I agree. And really appreciate your posts about the local places. I don't just want to go to the Recoleta places all the time and really enjoyed myself at Nuevo Estilo Boliche. And even in Recoleta i make a point to never pay over 200 pesos, even for TLN.

For example last night I turned down an offer to leave with one of the superstars of Blacks on principle, since she wanted 300 pesos short stay and my limit was 200. Now the 100 pesos difference wouldn't kill me - it's only $25us - but I just didn't feel it really represented realistic real market conditions, as I could get a great chica downtown for 100 and in recoleta for 100-200, so that's the price guidelines i stick to, in line with the local rates in the clubs I go to.

And mind you. 300 pesos for short stay is real money in Buenos Aires now. A waitress makes only 500 a MONTH

[blue]What, do you mean to tell me that your dick DOESN'T get bigger if you pay more?[/blue]

Nice Report Bandy.
In regards to Area-VIP, Cynthia y Milagros:
I had metioned earlier about some 'switching', on the phone even. I had talked to Cynthia over the phone previous nights, in english, and when my time came to make an arrangement, it was someone who only spoke spanish saying they were Cynthia. That didn't work so Milagros was put on line, who spoke english. I just checked Area and Milagros does not seem to be there anymore, but appears to be Cami on Platynum. So, Bandy, are you at liberty to confirm whom your report refers, the pictured Cynthia or Cami on Platynum?
You may have a point with the cell phones but some do have land line #'s and cell #s.
Can someone please provide a quick general location for Madahos as I cannot remember seeing the place or given any cards on the street. Went back a ways on messages, failed to see where it is. Sounds like a good place.

I do envy you guys down there, while myself and the majority play working grunt far away. The posts freshen the memories. Looking for a good business excuss to hit BA again soon.
Middleageguy

Jamesbond69 and others:

Thanks for the compliments. Actually I had written a very detailed report which reads like a movie script, including narrative details leading to each score. It is still in my hard drive. However, in the interest of public space and to save all of you from boring details, I opted for the very abridged version. I had agreat time going out with all of you and missing the actions very much. Some withdrawl symptoms are expected. How is your real estate hunt going on?

Middleageguy: I think the girl who showed up is real Milagros and not Cami. I had a picture of Milagros printed out before. And she somehow resembles her. I have no idea who Cynthia is. The girl who speaks good english is their receptionsist, and she will pretend she is the person you are looking for. This is what Milagros told me. I still think internet is hit and miss. You will have much better time if you pick somebody from the club, even she is not a 10.

Regarding the price of exit fee: In Black it will cost you around 200 with tips. The chica drinks are 50P each. Your drink will run atleast 60P. Then entrance fee, tips etc. Since I do only TLN, I had no problem with the girl's fee at Black. In other venue like Madaho's exit price will run you close to 100 P, with admission and tips.

Regarding english speaking chicas: In my encounters, all but only one could speak fluent english. She is Violeta from Madaho. Her father is american and mother is an english teacher. It was a very interesting experience. I was attracted to her because of her green eyes, shoulder length jet black hair, like Connie Celeca, and perfect english. I was tired of conversing with my not so perfect spanish throught my all other encounters. So I thought here is my chance to learn a lot of this business. we decided on 300 P for a TLN encounter. In the club, cab rides and in the room we talked a lot. I learned lot of details how the club scene works as well as her personal life. She is a second year veterinary student who goes to school everyday from 1 PM to 7 PM and happened to have an Anatomy test next day. We came to the hotel at 4:00 AM and by 5:00 AM, our bedroom olympics session is over. I told her to sleep. However, her eyes was wide open. I asked her what was bothering her. She said she remebered that she parked her car outside of Madaho and it will be towed away after 7:00 AM. Also she has to walk her dogs and study for the test. I immediately paid her the entire 300P and told her to go home, sleep and study for the test. Her whole face got frozen. She repeatedly asked me whether I was angry at her. With all her predicaments she was still willing to keep her end of the bergain and stay at least until 10 AM. During all these discussions, I never mentioned for one moment about paying her less. She gave her phone number and begged me to call her at 6 PM. She will come with her car and show me around Buenos Aires. She was so much taken up by my generosity that she wanted to pay me back any way she can. At that very moment a very ordinary one hour session became a very memorable experience.

Bandy

Middleageguy:

Madaho is at the corner of Vicente Lopez and Azcuenaza. It is the first club in the same block of Playwomen. Madaho, next is Solid Gold and then is Playwomen. All on the same side of the street. Hope it helps.

Bandy

Jamesbond,
You guys still getting toether at Hotel Etoile at 10:00 in the lobby? I am a newbie and plan to be in BA this Friday. I thought it might be a good idea to tag along with the group and get my feet wet in the city. Please let me know if you guys are still getting together, and how I find the group in the lobby. Also, thanks to everyone for all the great the info on this board.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by saint
[i]Justgotback. My email is saintofba@hotmail.com. And please just refer to my friends as my friends. No need to mention size, race, religion or any other descriptions. No offense but it's not very polite.

The preceding message was brought to you by the office of political correctness. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.


I went to check out a couple of the downtown clubs last night, Hook and Gattos. I was planning to go to Pipper and Ness as well, but I didn´t make it. In short, I´m impressed. I had never been out of a Recoleta club before. Both Hook and Gattos had better quality women than Playwoman or the new club that starts with an M the night before. It was almost like the Recoleta clubs of old. They were stratified though. A quarter of them were 2-4s but about 66% of them were 6-8 with one or two 9 and 10s.

I got to Hook at about 11:30. The place was packed with women, 25 or so. There were about 5 guys, many more came in the 45 minutes I was there. It was a younger crowd than the Recoleta clubs. Early 20´s as opposed to late 20´s. The girls definitely had that teenage rebellion thing going on. This is one of those clubs were the girls will approach you. I hadn´t even taken a sip of my beer before the first one latched on. I politely declined and then another one came up. This happened until I left. This solid 9 came in about 5 minutes before I left. Short blond hair, great body, your basic model type. I held off because I wanted to check out the other clubs. My beer was 12 pesos.

I did the 10 second walk to Gattos. My first thought was that I should have come in here first. As I walked in, this absolute knock out 10 was walking out with some guy. I was soon comforted by a 21 year old 8. This club is classier than Hook. Hook kind of had a neighborhood bar feel. The guys were wearing jeans or casual attire. Gattos had a lot guys in it wearing suits. There was a singer on stage initially. Later a dancer came on. The women were also dressed better, some were in evening gowns. About the same proportion of 2-4s vs 6-8s. There were many more customers here. As I mentioned, I didn´t make it to the other two clubs. It was because of that 21 year old 8. She talked me out of it. She asked for 200 pesos. I said OK. It could have been easily negoited since her response was ¨Si? No problema?¨ Sorry for upping the costs, but 200 is the high end of my range. I tend to negoitiate hard if they ask for 300 pesos or 100 dollars, but let it slide otherwise. Cost of drinks, her´s and mine was 30 pesos. That half to a seventh of what it would cost in Recoleta.

What a surprise for me. I thought the downtown clubs were a cut below the Recoleta clubs. It doesn´t seem the case at all. Another plus is that you can just walk in and check out the girls without paying. There were a lot of guys that just came in, had a quick look around and left. Doing that at most of the Recoleta clubs will cost you 20 to 25 pesos. There´s no entrance fee at Hooks or Gattos, just the cost of the drinks. With the plentiful selection of younger women and dirt cheap exit fees, I may never go back to Recoleta again. Who am I kidding, sure I will.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bandy
[i]Jamesbond69 and others:

How is your real estate hunt going on?

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- I'm still at the early stages with looking for an apartment or house to rent/buy in Buenos Aires but like anything else right now there seem to be some real deals around.

- BANDY
Regarding Violeta from Madaho - she sounds terrific!!!Could you PLEASE email me as soon as possible her telephone number and/or email . I definitely want to get together with her.
My email is ww2001us@yahoo.com

- TONIGHT - Special Invitation
Monger Research Team of the AMA (Argentine Mongers Association) has been invited to attend the Special Aniversary Party of Blacks tonight, featuring a bevy of famous Blacks alumni, extra assortment on two floors.

The Research Team meets tonight in the lobby of the Etoile Hotel at 10pm

All Mongers Welcome

[QUOTE]Originally posted by justgotback
[i][QUOTE]Originally posted by saint
[i]With the plentiful selection of younger women and dirt cheap exit fees, I may never go back to Recoleta again. Who am I kidding, sure I will. [/i][/QUOTE]

Recoleta vs. Downtown is a question I agonize about every night.

I think if you are staying in Recoleta it's worth staying there most nights, since you can walk club to club while the downtown clubs are several blocks apart and you will have to taxi between them, with Cutty Sark, Orleans and another club in one area and Ness, Catto's, and Hooks in a different area. And then you have Salome in another area entirely.

Of all the downtown clubs IMHO Hook's is the best and different from the others - more light, more of a dance floor for the chicas to show off their wares. I took a tremendous twenty year out of there for 100 pesos


All the other downtown clubs have this dark paneling , gentleman's club feel to them. It's really hard to get a good luck at there faces, particularly in Catto's. which is as dark as a cave. In general I find the darker the clubs, the older the girls/women.

I find the girls a bit younger and prettier in Recoleta but there are pretty girls in both areas, you just have to look a bit more downtown.

MAJOR plus of downtown: If you are on a budget the price is defintely lower downtown. You can get top girls for150 pesos no problem while in Recolata you might have to bargain them down from asking prices as high as 400 pesos. And the local price/offer of 100 pesos by a gringo are accept, albeit reluctantly - with a chicas hope of a tip for good service.

now that's a post, from justgotback. great detail on times, quantities of girls and guys, costs of entrance, exit, hourly rates, and drinks. excellent!

looking forward to hearing about the blacks anniversary night!

Do Ameriacans need visa to enter Argentina?Can anyone supply me with the answer?