American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=Schmoj]It's already become a miniature version of Fox News.

Are you going to impose this on cutting and pasting directly from unsubstantiated "news" reports, etc? Or do you only sensor those you disagree with?[/QUOTE]Hi Schmoj,

Apparently you missed an important day in civics class, so let me enlighten you.

"Freedom of Speech" is a constitutional protection of a citizen's right to speak out against the government, and as such it is a restriction on government activities attempting to curtail this right.

However, this forum is a private enterprise, and as such I cannot be compelled to publish whatever you choose to post, much in the same way as the New York Times cannot be compelled to publish every letter you might choose to send to their editor.

What I do in my forum is not called censorship, it's called editing, and it is a necessary function and the responsibility of every media publisher who wishes to maintain an organized publication.

Thanks,.

Jackson

[QUOTE=BadMan]That's some bullshit Jackson.

Let me get this straight, you won't let Ricardo post his opinions but you will let Sidney post his bullshit opinions, and you'll even make him separate threads where he can post his bs?

I don't see you fact checking all the bullshit that Sidney or other right wing nuts post. I understand your politics differ greatly from Ricardo's but he should have the freedom to make his points. He has been twice as civil as most of the people who have responded to him.

Deleting or trying to censure Ricardo's civil posts just means the intellectually bankrupt individuals on this forum are crying uncle.

Congratulations.

BM.[/QUOTE]Hi Bad,

You and I have long since acknowledged that we have diametrically opposing political points of view.

Have I ever deleted anything you've posted in the Political threads?

Ricardo is welcome to post his opinions.

What Ricardo may no longer post are blatantly inaccurate or unsubstantiated statistics.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson]Ricardo is welcome to post his opinions. What Ricardo may no longer post are blatantly inaccurate or unsubstantiated statistics.

Jackson[/QUOTE] Dear Editor In Chief!

Now, I don't know whether you ever worked for INDEC, so I can't gauge your professional qualifications for validating or invalidating statistics.

The basis of your complaint about my posting of the findings from the Times / CBS poll would give me pause. You cite a different pollster who at a different time asked different questions and got different results. Somehow you think that proves that I was distorting, fabricating and lying. Of course, it does no such thing.

I just reported what the good citizens of the homeland told the Times / CBS interviewers. Your problem is with those good people who gave responses that you find disturbing.

I doubt you are suggesting in the future that I private message you to get pre-approval for any statistical data I might plan to include in a post? I don't think that would work for me.

Now, do remember to go to the raw data on the Times / CBS poll using the link I sent when you get a chance!

Tienen un gran fin de semana,

Ricardo

[QUOTE=Jackson]Hi Schmoj,

However, this forum is a private enterprise, and as such I cannot be compelled to publish whatever you choose to post, much in the same way as the New York Times cannot be compelled to publish every letter you might choose to send to their editor.

What I do in my forum is not called censorship, it's called editing, and it is a necessary function and the responsibility of every media publisher who wishes to maintain an organized publication.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]From Merriam-Webster - Censor: to examine in order to suppress or DELETE anything considered objectionable. You used the term "free-speech," not me.

Just to clarify, do your editorial policies permit free posting of cut and paste jobs from sources like Fox News without any substantiation of "facts?"

As Ricardo said, it's your baby and you rock it. But I agree with BadMan 100%.

Ricardo,

O. K. If you're going to use the dictionary definition of socialist, then Obama is not a socialist, at least not overtly. But he's doing his best to move the U. S. towards bigger government, higher taxes, higher spending, and more equality in terms of income even if equality means everyone ends up worse off. He's moving the U. S. towards a western or northern European style of government and an economy that's less dynamic.

I get the impression you may have been one of the most powerful people in the USA, a congressional staffer?

[QUOTE=BadMan]That's some bullshit Jackson.

Let me get this straight, you won't let Ricardo post his opinions but you will let Sidney post his bullshit opinions, and you'll even make him separate threads where he can post his bs?

I don't see you fact checking all the bullshit that Sidney or other right wing nuts post. I understand your politics differ greatly from Ricardo's but he should have the freedom to make his points. He has been twice as civil as most of the people who have responded to him.

Deleting or trying to censure Ricardo's civil posts just means the intellectually bankrupt individuals on this forum are crying uncle.

Congratulations.

BM[/QUOTE]I'm all in favor of letting everyone post their opinions. That said, it is a private message board, not a public square.

I should add that the description of that poll by Ricardo was a far cry from what the actual poll said. Ricardo, you didn't post a link originally. You did post a link after you were challenged. For anyone wanting to read it, you can find it here: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/09/25/us/politics/25pollgrx.html[/url] I don't think it's the same link you posted, Ricardo, which is why I'm posting an alternate, in case your link doesn't work.

I'm not sure how you can quibble with Rassmussen when you place your faith in the NYTimes and CBS News. If folks are going to take issue with Fox News, then they ought to be willing to acknowledge the left-leaning bent of CBS, ABC and NBC News, and they certainly ought to be willing to acknowledge the full leftward tilt of the NY Times. I've known many journalists -- went to college with a few who became fine ones and know many of their pals. With one exception, they are all liberals. That doesn't make them bad people. But, it does color their perspective, just as it does the sole conservative journalist among them. I know there are those who will dispute this, but most of the major media outlets lean left. Fox is about the only place that will hire the conservative ones -- and the rest of the media makes sure everyone knows it. None of this makes any of the outlets bad -- just consider the source.

As for Rassmussen, I see on his website that he was endorsed by Susan Estrich, among many others. I would say that this is proof that he is not a right-wing conservative pollster, but I happen to know Susan Estrich personally. She is one of the dimmest bulbs on the planet, and I have never even talked to her about politics. So, her liberal endorsement doesn't mean much.

I did see one poll question that seems to have held true for several decades now: Congressmen (and women) are [i]the least[/i] respected profession in the country -- lower than bankers, CEOs, lawyers, used car salesmen, journalists and paparazzi. [url]http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/september_2009/americans_now_view_congress_as_least_respected_job[/url] What are the most respected professions? Small business owners and people who start their own businesses. (See same link above) When these poll numbers reverse themselves, that's when we can be sure everything's going to he! In a handbasket. Until then, and despite what you read in the media, everything's fine.

[QUOTE=Ricardo]It's your baby you rock it.

But does this mean I will be banned from posting good jokes too?[/QUOTE]Ricardo keep your quality jokes coming.

This whole thread is very curious to a non-American member. For my money the difference between a US Liberal and a Republican is minor; disputed statistics and opposing political points of view not-with-standing. There are many more things in common than there are things that are opposed. I suspect that what concerns our Republican members is that Obama might be the thin edge of a socialist wedge. I don't see it as that and nor do I see that in Ricardo's posts. He is not exactly shilling Fox News, but as this chanel offends my intellectual ego, I see that as a plus. But then again, I am not a US citizen.

Argento

[QUOTE=Stan Da Man]I'm all in favor of letting everyone post their opinions. That said, it is a private message board, not a public square.

I should add that the description of that poll by Ricardo was a far cry from what the actual poll said. Ricardo, you didn't post a link originally. You did post a link after you were challenged. For anyone wanting to read it, you can find it here: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/09/25/us/politics/25pollgrx.html[/url] I don't think it's the same link you posted, Ricardo, which is why I'm posting an alternate, in case your link doesn't work.

I'm not sure how you can quibble with Rassmussen when you place your faith in the NYTimes and CBS News. If folks are going to take issue with Fox News, then they ought to be willing to acknowledge the left-leaning bent of CBS, ABC and NBC News, and they certainly ought to be willing to acknowledge the full leftward tilt of the NY Times. I've known many journalists -- went to college with a few who became fine ones and know many of their pals. With one exception, they are all liberals. That doesn't make them bad people. But, it does color their perspective, just as it does the sole conservative journalist among them. I know there are those who will dispute this, but most of the major media outlets lean left. Fox is about the only place that will hire the conservative ones -- and the rest of the media makes sure everyone knows it. None of this makes any of the outlets bad -- just consider the source.

As for Rassmussen, I see on his website that he was endorsed by Susan Estrich, among many others. I would say that this is proof that he is not a right-wing conservative pollster, but I happen to know Susan Estrich personally. She is one of the dimmest bulbs on the planet, and I have never even talked to her about politics. So, her liberal endorsement doesn't mean much.

I did see one poll question that seems to have held true for several decades now: Congressmen (and women) are [i]the least[/i] respected profession in the country -- lower than bankers, CEOs, lawyers, used car salesmen, journalists and paparazzi. [url]http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/september_2009/americans_now_view_congress_as_least_respected_job[/url] What are the most respected professions? Small business owners and people who start their own businesses. (See same link above) When these poll numbers reverse themselves, that's when we can be sure everything's going to he! In a handbasket. Until then, and despite what you read in the media, everything's fine.[/QUOTE]If you go to the raw data link I posted and go through the material I would welcome you or anyone to point out any error I made in presenting the specific results on the items I listed.

Ricardo

[QUOTE=Tiny12] I get the impression you may have been one of the most powerful people in the USA, a congressional staffer?[/QUOTE] Nah! When I worked there all us staffers did was get coffee and shine shoes!

Guys, regardless of which side of the fence you are on or even if you sit on it, how about a little respect and civility here.

This site was set up by Jackson for the enjoyment of mongering and the exchange of ideas and information. Does Jackson have the right to monitor and edit HIS SITE, yes he absolutely does. This is his "house" and his "rules". Just as you have the right to determine what occurs or is acceptable in your home, Jackson has no less the same rights in his "house" – Argentina Private.

Don't give me this "freedom of speech" BS either – go stand on the steps of the White House or Congress and vent all you want – that's freedom of speech. There are plenty of sites and chat rooms in which you may participate and express any opinion you may desire, but this site is not it. So cool your jets, take a chill pill and blow that out your bippy!

[QUOTE=Ricardo]If you go to the raw data link I posted and go through the material I would welcome you or anyone to point out any error I made in presenting the specific results on the items I listed.

Ricardo[/QUOTE]Ever hear the phrase, EVEN IF YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE STILL WRONG.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt]EVEN IF YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE STILL WRONG.[/QUOTE]That may explain it!

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