Buying Viagra & Cialis

It is the same with Lipitor.

Without Health Care coverage it costs US$100 for 30 pills. With coverage it costs US$25.

In B. A. It costs 16-20p for 30 pills. It is the Same Lipitor.

The Drug industry says they want to make sure you get the real product.

As the radio ad goes, "There is Only One Lipitor, there is no Generic".

What thieves!

[QUOTE=Miami Bob]Why does sandoz viagra in argentina sell for 10% of the price of the brand in the usa? Corruption?

Stupidity? Interference in the free market system by allowing patents to extend beyond the rest of the world's rules. Why does the law make it illegal for the government program, medicare, to negotiate bulk purchases at a discount? [/QUOTE]

With all due respect to WT69 (aka Chazz R.) And Miami Bob, there are some very straight forward reasons why these drugs cost more in the US. Also, there are huge differences (at least on the business issues) between branded, patent-protected drugs, legitimate generics and generic versions of protected drugs.

The short answer (if you don't want to read this whole post) is that the US consumer is paying for all of the research and development for new drugs and is therefore subsidizing the sale of pharmaceuticals all over the world.

I will leave out an analysis of the differential of costs associated with litigation between the USA and other countries. I can assure you that the fact that the US is the most litigious country on earth materially increases the cost of your drugs at the counter.

If we lived in a vacuum, drugs would cost the same everywhere. We don't.

Evil drug companies need to make a profit on their investments as well as on their manufacturing and distribution operations. They also have to make back the money that they lose on R & D efforts that do not result in profitable drugs. If they cannot, they will cease to invest in new drugs and treatments.

According to one study -- by the Tufts Center for the Study of Drug Development (the firms included in their survey represent 42% of all pharmaceutical R & D expenditures in the U. S. -- it can cost more than US$800 million to bring a new drug to market (including covering the cost of failed R & D efforts and the time value of money at 9%) Other estimates put the number at more than $1B, to bring a new drug to market. US drug companies invest more than US$40B per year in research and development.

Drug companies file for patents as soon as they think that they are on to something (I. E. Well before pre-clinical trials which come before phase -I, II & III trials) It takes on average 90.3 months (7.25 years) from the start of clinical trials to marketing approval. That does not include all of the time (usually many years) it actually took to develop the drug before Phase I trials start (since you can't just whip something up at the beginning of Phase-I trials) Patents (issued after 1989, I. E. Covered by TRIPS) are for 20 years. An extension of 5 years can be obtained for certain processes or products but not for all of the claims covered by the patent. Depending upon the time it took from patent issuance to selling the product in the market, the evil drug company may only have between 8-12 years of patent protection, which by the way only protects them in the USA. While they also file for IP protection elsewhere around the world, it is much harder to protect intellectual property (I. E. The recipe for the drug) and collect the premiums on the sale of those drugs overseas. Additionally, drug companies selling their own products in foreign markets have to be aware of what the local consumer can pay. Therefore, the drug companies have to recoup their investment from the US market.

Considering the preceding, evil drug companies have approximately 8-12 years to make back the US$800 million -- in addition to making a profit on the manufacturing and distribution of the drug -- before they are competing against their own product (made and sold by others) in the marketplace.

If it costs US$2 (excluding R & D) to make a pill and get it to the pharmacy shelf (ingredients, manufacturing and distribution) and they sell it for US$4, the drug company nets US$2/ pill for manufacturing and distributing the product. Now add to that the US$800 million (plus interest going forward) divided by the number of pills they expect to sell over the remaining life of the patent. There you have the differential between legitimate versions of patent-protected drugs from one market to another.

[QUOTE=Miami Bob]Why does sandoz viagra in argentina sell for 10% of the price of the brand in the usa? Corruption?[/QUOTE]Nope. It is the comment above about pricing relative to the market in which they are selling their product.

[quote=] Interference in the free market system by allowing patents to extend beyond the rest of the world's rules.[/QUOTE]Protecting intellectual property is not interference in the market system, it is necessary in order to protect those who dare invest in developing new and innovative things. Why should the government be able to arbitrarily say that you can only own the thing you invented for 20 years? This is like saying that although you bought your house and paid the mortgage and taxes for 20 years, you now have to open the doors and let anybody come in and live with you. Why is Elvis' estate still getting royalties on recordings made 50 years ago? He didn't invest the equivalent of US$800 million into those records. Copyrights last for the life of the author plus 70 years.

[quote=]Why does the law make it illegal for the government program, medicare, to negociate bulk purchases at a discount?[/QUOTE]I don't think that the government should be able to force private industry to provide goods and services at a loss (The Fifth Amendment of the Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights seems to back me up on this) However, that is exactly what medicare does to doctors (So much for the Fifth Amendment) Therefore, I have to guess that the reason why drug companies are excluded from this situation is probably due to 'lobbying' the right people. But that is a good thing. Allowing the government to set prices will have a dramatic, negative affect on R & D.

[quote=]Generics made by major multinational manufacturers like sandoz or cipla[/QUOTE]And sold outside the USA are probably safe, however, the contents are not subject to FDA regulation. Irrespective of regulation, reputable firms are likely to be responsible considering the potential damage to their businesses if they produce a dangerous knock-off.

[quote=]My brother buys his blood pressure meds mail order from New Zealand because the brand he needs is not on his carrier's formulary list. At Walmart the drug is 3x's the price as the brand is sold in New Zealand. Why? I don't want to make this forum political or I will have to stop reading it so I'd better stop here.[/QUOTE]Your brother is in fact benefiting from the fact that US consumers are paying for the R & D and subsidizing foreign and US consumers buying offshore. It is great to live in a free country where one can avail himself of such opportunities.

However, as more an more people avail themselves of this option, the industry and regulations will change in the face of this practice. In the event this practice is seen as 'bad' more enforcement of regulations will be brought to bear, in order to prevent it. If this practice is seen as 'good' (tough to see how the FDA gets on board with the practice since it cuts them out of the loop) then regulations will relax and the evil drug companies will need to alter their business plans in order to compensate for lost revenue (think of what 'free' downloading of 'protected' material has done to the music industry)

While there certainly is a potential political thread to be spawn from this subject, my points are merely a factually explanation of why there is such a huge differential between drugs in the US and elsewhere.

Just for information and comparison, I just bought 10 x 100g Magnus brand sildenafil, product of Argentina, in Asuncion Paraguay for 145,000GS, equivalent to AR119 pesos and $31US. Over the counter in a small farmacia in the microceter, cash, no problems, no questions.

[QUOTE=Gabar]Just for information and comparison, I just bought 10 x 100g Magnus brand sildenafil, product of Argentina, in Asuncion Paraguay for 145,000GS, equivalent to AR119pesos and $31US. Over the counter in a small farmacia in the microceter, cash, no problems, no questions.[/QUOTE]Just a little footnote but did you know that the 2007 Ig Nobel Prize in Aviation went to Patricia V. Agostino, Santiago A. Plano and Diego A. Golombek of Universidad Nacional de Quilmes, Argentina, for their discovery that Viagra aids jet lag recovery in hamsters?

How the f--k do they know if the hamsters were jet lagged? Did they put them on a bunch of redeye flights? The follow on research is on hamster boners.

So you can just walk in to a Farmacity and they will sell you Cialis without a Rx?

If so, that is great.

[QUOTE=Stylito1]So you can just walk in to a Farmacity and they will sell you Cialis without a Rx? If so, that is great.[/QUOTE]That's true for most Farmacity, but not all. If one does ask for a Rx, just go to the next one.

Is a chain and charges more for everything.

[QUOTE=Sportsman]That's true for most Farmacity, but not all. If one does ask for a Rx, just go to the next one.[/QUOTE]

[blue]Greetings Everyone,.

I moved the last several pages of discussion regarding "The USA Pharmaceutical Industry" to another thread in this forum titled "The USA Pharmaceutical Industry".

[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6287[/url]

This "Thread Splitting" process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently moved / did not move a few reports. If you find that your own report was also moved / not moved, please don't take it personally.

Thanks,.

Jackson[/blue]

Apologies, I just couldn't resist the opportunity to tweak Ricardo.

I can't remember the address: Larea near Juncal. Worked out to just under us$1.50 per pill. United Health Care will provide 5 per month for a $75 co-pay in Miami or $15 each with Walgreens discount card. That's right they are the same price with my health insurance which costs us$965 per month now. I will refrain from any quasi-political comment: That facts speak for themselves despite however they are rationalized.

All,

Do any of you know were can I buy Valium 10mg without a prescription?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Jgrants]All,

Do any of you know were can I buy Valium 10mg without a prescription?

Thanks[/QUOTE]You can usually get it at places that will sell you viagra in this thread. Remember to ask for Daizepam, not valium.

[QUOTE=Stylito1]So you can just walk in to a Farmacity and they will sell you Cialis without a Rx?

If so, that is great.[/QUOTE]I just back from my first trip to BA. I purchased Lilly C 20mg in three pharmacies. NP at any of them. They pharmacies did not appear part of large chains. I was in the Obelisk area close to Florida street. Cost was between 10.50 and 12.00 per tablet. They charge more if you pay with CC and price seems to be little more if you got the 2 pill per package size vs the 4 or larger. Some places only carry the small size.

Don't waste your time with farmacity, they will say no without a scrip. Stick to the smaller non chain stores.

Yes you get a discount paying effectivo (cash)

I will be staying in microcentro for a month and Would like to know which pill to buy.

Usually My problem is mantaining erections, and for that porpuse 25mg of viagra or 10mg of levitra works fine.

Have never tried Cialis.

Which one do you recomend? Where should I buy them? Whats the price of each of them? Should I buy "magnus"?

Tnak you

The English speaking pharmacist is no longer working at the place one block down Cordoba from Ramiro's place.

There however is another guy in there that speaks some English.

I went in there yesterday and had no problems obtaining what I needed. Same nice service as always. Cash discount applies.

[QUOTE=Gato Hunter]The English speaking pharmacist is no longer working at the place one block down Cordoba from Ramiro's place.

There however is another guy in there that speaks some English.

I went in there yesterday and had no problems obtaining what I needed. Same nice service as always. Cash discount applies.[/QUOTE]Could You share with us what you bought and the price of it Please?

I did not buy viagra, or any other boner pill. Its private stuff. My friend did however buy boner pills. He bought a shitload, a mix 100 pills of chewables and 100MG pills, and it was 300ish pesos.

I don't pick the fly shit out of the pepper when it comes to buying prescription meds without a scrip.

[QUOTE=Guacamole]Could You share with us what you bought and the price of it Please?[/QUOTE]I bought one today for 45 pesos cash at the only Pharmacy across the street from Plaza Once, Av Rivadavia 2960.

Got four of the 100g Argentine generics for $AR35 at the farmacia across the street and down from L'Aliance. Interestingly, the guy told me that I'd need a scrip for any of the inported versions (Magnus, Viagra) because the government has placed new controls on the imported versions. It could be crap because he didn't have anything else or it could be an example of the non-tariff trade barriers that Argentina is supposedly increasing.

Those of an older generation will always revere Sandoz for their innovative pharmaceutical research. It's amazing what can happen with the right molecule.

They also produce Sildenafil (generic Viagra) here in Argentina.

I figure they are most likely to have a product manufactured to high quality standards, so that's what I use.

But I haven't been able to find it anywhere lately, so I contacted the company and received this response:

[quote]Dear Mr. *******,.

My name is Cynthia XXXXXX from Sandoz Laboratory. I am writing you to let you know that you won't be able to find the product Sildenafil in pharmacies in Buenos Aires for a period of 3 or 4 months, mainly because there is a big delay in Production in our Laboratory. Because of this, the best option for you, it would be to contact your Doctor again and ask him for another product to replace Sildenafil (there are at least 30 others Laboratories in Buenos Aires that provide this molecule, you should ask your Doctor for advice)

We are really sorry for this inconvenient and we remind you that Sandoz Laboratory is doing as much as we can to normalize this situation as soon as possible. We will keep you updated with the latest news.

Best regards,.

Sandoz S. A.[/quote]

So, Magnus is imported?

I went to farmacity in corrientes and they told me that they would only sell it to me with prescription.

Where can I get it without prescription? Thanks

[QUOTE=Guacamole]So, Magnus is imported?

I went to farmacity in corrientes and they told me that they would only sell it to me with prescription.

Where can I get it without prescription? Thanks[/QUOTE]Few years back I got Magnus without prescription at the pharmacy on Paraguay and Florida. Few doors down from the Claro office. Again, that was few years ago.

Can anyone tell me a good place to get Magnus / Viagra, or other similar types?

Seem most places need a prescription.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Billnyc]Can anyone tell me a good place to get Magnus / Viagra, or other similar types?

Seem most places need a prescription.

Thanks[/QUOTE]You can buy it, and many other medicines without a perscription, at Farmacia Azul on Cordoba, between Suipacha and Pelligrini.

Stowe

[QUOTE=Stowe]You can buy it, and many other medicines without a perscription, at Farmacia Azul on Cordoba, between Suipacha and Pelligrini.

Stowe[/QUOTE]Yes, my favorite pharmacy, but it is between Florida and San Martin.

[QUOTE=Doggboy]Yes, my favorite pharmacy, but it is between Florida and San Martin.[/QUOTE]Doggboy,

Thanks for correcting me regarding the address. Haven't visited it in a while but plan to when I arrive in October.

FYI to BillNYC. You won't be able to get Vicodin or Ambient type of drugs there, or anywhere, without a perscription that I am aware of.

Stowe

[QUOTE=Stowe]FYI to BillNYC. You won't be able to get Vicodin or Ambient type of drugs there, or anywhere, without a perscription that I am aware of.[/QUOTE]Stowe & BillNYC;

Just try it at Dogg's favorite pharmacy. Act like you do not speak one word of Spanish. I give you >95% chance that you will be able to get all the stuff you want!

[QUOTE=Seaman]Stowe & BillNYC;

Just try it at Dogg's favorite pharmacy. Act like you do not speak one word of Spanish. I give you >95% chance that you will be able to get all the stuff you want![/QUOTE]Best to go to Tejano Libre's favorite pharmacy at Venezuela and Saenz Pena.;) I don't know about things like Vicodin but they do have the local generics for many different anxiolytics.

Once I went to the pharmacy in that chain of drug stores that seems to be on every other block of Santa Fe. I had a legit scrip from a doctor in the US. I showed it to the lady pharmacist who turned her nose up at with barely a glance, told me I needed a prescription. I told her this is it and she gave me the 'losing my patience' face. I then learned generic sildenafil can be purchased just about anywhere else. I found some that don't look like vitamin V at all, little red pills that could pass for anything else; this can be handy when you don't want others to know your business when looking through your things.

Maybe it's just my aging digestive system, but these generics sometimes give me a terrible case of stomach acid. I counter this by taking cimetadine about a half-hour before.

[QUOTE=Rockin Bob;410478]But I haven't been able to find it anywhere lately, so I contacted the company and received this response:

Dear Mr. *******,.

My name is Cynthia Medrano from Sandoz Laboratory. I am writing you to let you know that you won't be able to find the product Sildenafil in pharmacies in Buenos Aires for a period of 3 or 4 months, mainly because there is a big delay in Production in our Laboratory. Because of this, the best option for you, it would be to contact your Doctor again and ask him for another product to replace Sildenafil (there are at least 30 others Laboratories in Buenos Aires that provide this molecule, you should ask your Doctor for advice)

We are really sorry for this inconvenient and we remind you that Sandoz Laboratory is doing as much as we can to normalize this situation as soon as possible. We will keep you updated with the latest news.

Best regards,.

Cynthia Medrano.
Sandoz S. A.
[/email][/QUOTE]


What this really means is that since AP put out the info on where to buy it cheap in Buenos Aires, a bunch of horny gringos have cornered the market and are hording thrie supplies. It is supply vs. demand...

Hello, Guys.

I like to know if you can get in Buenos Aires of hiv rapid test OraQuick Advance type.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Doggboy;411769]Best to go to Tejano Libre's favorite pharmacy at Venezuela and Saenz Pena.;) I don't know about things like Vicodin but they do have the local generics for many different anxiolytics.[/QUOTE]Has anyone bought V or the generic version thereof in a Recoleta pharm recently? I am staying there, getting in early and have date same day. If I can avoid a serious trek for meds on day one, I want to. V has been best to me over the years, so I try to find that when I wander Latin America.

Also, I want to pick up some ambien (or generic zolpidem variant) at some point and have no problem doing a quickie doc visit to get a locally acceptable scrip. If anyone knows a reasonable doc who speaks some English (I speak some Spanish, but not much, I would make an appointment in a heartbeat.

[QUOTE=Tactailista; 413635]Has anyone bought V or the generic version thereof in a Recoleta pharm recently? I am staying there, getting in early and have date same day. If I can avoid a serious trek for meds on day one, I want to. V has been best to me over the years, so I try to find that when I wander Latin America.

Also, I want to pick up some ambien (or generic zolpidem variant) at some point and have no problem doing a quickie doc visit to get a locally acceptable scrip. If anyone knows a reasonable doc who speaks some English (I speak some Spanish, but not much, I would make an appointment in a heartbeat. [/QUOTE]You don't need no stinking script in Buenos Aires. Go to Pharmacia Azul on Cordoba between San Martin and Florida.

[QUOTE=Doggboy;413637]You don't need no stinking script in Buenos Aires. Go to Pharmacia Azul on Cordoba between San Martin and Florida.[/QUOTE]You can get cialis at most of the Recoleta Farmacitys and some of the mom & pop shops. For some reason, they seem less interested in provide vitamin V

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;413638]You can get cialis at most of the Recoleta Farmacitys and some of the mom & pop shops. For some reason, they seem less interested in provide vitamin V[/QUOTE]I just bought fourty 50 mg vimax pills the other day for 208 pesos which works out to be basically $1.25 USD / pill from a drug store in San Telmo near the Independica subway stop on a side street on the west side of the 9th of July avenue. I don't speak spanish and initially the two lady pharmacists were basically making gestures about using it if you are on heart or blood pressure medication. After I showed them the generic indian version that I have been using they had no problem selling to me. In fact they were gesturing about me attaining wood and laughing it up. I would have done one of pharmacists right then and there! I think I'll buy some more before I leave for home. I can supply the exact address if you want

Bought enough Sildenafil to justify for my air travel.

At 901 Corrientes, I bought boxes of 20 at 50mg Bifort for 116 pesos, I. E. 5.8 pesos each 50mg pill.

At 876 Cordoba, I bought boxes of 50 at 50mg Sandoz for 210 pesos, I. E. 4.2 pesos per 50mg pill.

I paid in cash pesos (effectivo).

No prescription (receta) required.

FYI.

The local generics that I'm aware of that don't require a script if you seem like you require it are:

Argentina.

Vimax by Roemmers (Viagra)

Uruguay.

Lazar Sildenafil by Lazar (Viagra)

Plenovit by Urufarma (Viagra)

Exitomin by Ivax (Viagra)

Magnus by Sidus (Viagra)

Tadacip by ServiMedic (Cialis)

I may be in the business. Hope this helps.

Can someone explain the differences between the 2/3 drugs? Does one last longer than the other, work faster, allow you to last longer, make recovery non-existent or much faster? Never taken them before but would consider it for the trip if it helps.

[QUOTE=Nugget;414239]Can someone explain the differences between the 2/3 drugs? Does one last longer than the other, work faster, allow you to last longer, make recovery non-existent or much faster? Never taken them before but would consider it for the trip if it helps.[/QUOTE]If I understand your question correctly, you are looking for the differences between tadalafil (Cialis) and sildenafil (Viagra). The short answer is that they work in a similar fashion. They were originally developed to treat pulmonary arterial hypertension. During clinical trials, the test subjects (old men suffering from PAH) started sporting wood like a bunch of zit-faced teens. The primary mechanism of both is muscle relaxation resulting in increased blood flow to the soft tissue (your pecker is made up of this soft tissue. The pharma companies quickly discovered that there are more guys interested in supplementing their peckers (whether they need it or not) than there are actual sufferers of PAH.

I think that the main difference between the two is the time to effectiveness and the duration of effectiveness. Cialis works faster (15 mins) and last longer (up to 36 hours) whereas viagra kicks in after 30 mins and lasts for 5+ hours. Cialis also seems to be about 4-5X more expensive.

Common side effects include heartburn and and the smell of melting latex in your hotel room.