2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=Dccpa; 425389]SS, My state will vote for MR whether or not I vote. If I was in a swing state, I would vote Libertarian if either major party candidate had a large lead or if the Libertarian candidate had a chance. But this election is close and there is a huge difference between the capabilities of BO & MR. Although I have doubts that he will do the right thing, at least MR has the capability of fixing things. BO has no clue or desire on how to fix things.

My personal opinion is that things are too far down the road to be fixed. But a MR Presidency would buy me more time to get all my assets properly positioned. And with MR, I would only have to worry about my 401k being stolen through inflation and not through outright confiscation of assets.[/QUOTE]DCCPA.

I see how things are going just like you, but I'm going to actually vote Libertarian instead of wasting it by staying home, D's and R's love that the most, having a demoralized opposition that won't even vote for candidates they believe in. Also, voting Libertarian helps for ballot status. (The big parties don't like competition and make it very hard for small parties to get on the ballot) But I can totally understand where you are coming from. Libertarians need critical mass, and it looks like that is not going to happen, especially if those that support the principles won't even bother going to the polls.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;425388]I really do not know what he meant to say.[/QUOTE]Actually I think Akins said exactly what he meant the first time. I think the apology is BS. I think abortion should be legal. I think the people of my generation used abortion as birth control when there were better methods available. I think the use of abortion as birth control has ended for the most part.

Akins is against gambling also. There are just too many people like him in the Conservative movement that I do not want to be identified with them.

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man;425399]There are just too many people like him in the Conservative movement that I do not want to be identified with them.[/QUOTE]That's kind of the way I feel about [strike]communist [/strike], [strike]socialist[/strike],[i] 'strong government' [/i]supporters like Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. I do not want to be identified with them.

[QUOTE=Punter 127;425403]That's kind of the way I feel about [strike]communist [/strike], [strike]socialist[/strike],[i] 'strong government' [/i]supporters like Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. I do not want to be identified with them.[/QUOTE]I said on Facebook the other day that I think I am really the reactionary because I want the Republican party of Eisenhower, Kuchel, Warren and Dirksen to name a few. The Conservatives basically pushed all the people with these views out of the Party. In California now, the Republicans aren't really players anymore they are so far right. If we could build a fiscally conservative limited government socially liberal party then I think we could win the majority. Many of the laws that Conservatives passed especially on crime like "Three Strikes" and "Use a gun, go to jail" have led to California building the biggest prison system (I think) in the world. Romney's inflexibility with cutting military spending is just insane. It's like writing a blank check. What kind of management is that if he is so much smarter then the "community organizer"?

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man;425404]I said on Facebook the other day that I think I am really the reactionary because I want the Republican party of Eisenhower, Kuchel, Warren and Dirksen to name a few. The Conservatives basically pushed all the people with these views out of the Party. In California now, the Republicans aren't really players anymore they are so far right. If we could build a fiscally conservative limited government socially liberal party then I think we could win the majority. Many of the laws that Conservatives passed especially on crime like "Three Strikes" and "Use a gun, go to jail" have led to California building the biggest prison system (I think) in the world. Romney's inflexibility with cutting military spending is just insane. It's like writing a blank check. What kind of management is that if he is so much smarter then the "community organizer"?[/QUOTE]Have you checked out Gary Johnson's record, he is good on pocketbook issues, but without the social conservative stuff we hate so much. I think if you are an issues voter, Gary Johnson is clearly the best choice this election season. [url]www.garyjohnson2012.com[/url] Live Free

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man;425404]In California now, the Republicans aren't really players anymore they are so far right. If we could build a fiscally conservative limited government socially liberal party then I think we could win the majority.[/quote]You need to define 'socially liberal' before I can agree or disagree.

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man;425404]Many of the laws that Conservatives passed especially on crime like "Three Strikes" and "Use a gun, go to jail" have led to California building the biggest prison system (I think) in the world.[/quote]This is a little off topic because it's really a states issue, but what's your solution, allow repeat violent criminals to walk the street?

California has some of the strongest gun laws in the nation, laws that encumber your citizenry from owning guns, yet you apparently don't support penalizing criminals for using a gun in a crime!

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man;425404]Romney's inflexibility with cutting military spending is just insane. It's like writing a blank check. What kind of management is that if he is so much smarter then the "community organizer"?[/QUOTE]I don't think we have to worry about Romney adding 5 trillion to the national debt like Obama has.

Defense is one area that the federal government is required to be involved in and considering the current world condition I would prefer to deal with over spending on the military than face the potential consequences of under spending.

If you and your ilk don't think we're under any kind of threat than why hasn't Obama set the detainees at Guantanamo Bay free and shut the facility down?

Why haven't they even tried to repealed the patriot act?

Why hasn't he put a stop to the TSA shenanigans?

[QUOTE=Punter 127; 425411]You need to define 'socially liberal' before I can agree or disagree.

This is a little off topic because it's really a states issue, but what's your solution, allow repeat violent criminals to walk the street? [/QUOTE]

The Fed corollary is determinate sentencing which has lengthened prison terms.

[QUOTE] California has some of the strongest gun laws in the nation, laws that encumber your citizenry from owning guns, yet you apparently don't support penalizing criminals for using a gun in a crime! [/QUOTE]

I think sentences are too long. I sat on a jury and convicted a guy for a $50 stickup. I thought five years was good. He got 15 because it was his second offense and used a gun. Never heard of person in California who could not buy a gun they wanted. Gun laws here do not violate the Second Amendment.

[QUOTE] I don't think we have to worry about Romney adding 5 trillion to the national debt like Obama has.

Defense is one area that the federal government is required to be involved in and considering the current world condition I would prefer to deal with over spending on the military than face the potential consequences of under spending. [/QUOTE]

I think that a healthy economy defeats all forms of terrorism.

[QUOTE] If you and your ilk don't think we're under any kind of threat than why hasn't Obama set the detainees at Guantanamo Bay free and shut the facility down?

Why haven't they even tried to repealed the patriot act?

Why hasn't he put a stop to the TSA shenanigans?[/QUOTE]My biggest surprise is that Patriot Act has not been repealed and the TSA disbanded.

"How did we get here? If you're under 40, you may not know that the Republican Party wasn't always like this. Gov. Ronald Reagan signed California's liberal abortion law in 1967; George H. W. Bush was a Planned Parenthood supporter, as was his father, Prescott, and his wife, Barbara, was regularly described as pro-choice. But when the culture wars began to rage in the 1970s, Republicans saw political gains in playing up the anxieties of a lot of people that society was changing too fast, and not in a good way."

I definitely believe that the Republican party has been hijacked. I have friends that have turned into walking Christian zombies."Praise the Lord." or something similar comes out every third sentence.

Too bad that some of you can not see what is going on in the USA IN the news of each day.

Maddow and Letterman.

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man; 425443]"How did we get here? If you're under 40, you may not know that the Republican Party wasn't always like this. Gov. Ronald Reagan signed California's liberal abortion law in 1967; George H. W. Bush was a Planned Parenthood supporter, as was his father, Prescott, and his wife, Barbara, was regularly described as pro-choice. But when the culture wars began to rage in the 1970s, Republicans saw political gains in playing up the anxieties of a lot of people that society was changing too fast, and not in a good way."

I definitely believe that the Republican party has been hijacked. I have friends that have turned into walking Christian zombies."Praise the Lord." or something similar comes out every third sentence.[/QUOTE]The other phrase you might be looking for is "God Bless You ". Heard about as much as " good morning "

Both Republicans and Democrats have changed. In the 1960's we had JFK, who today would be more comfortable as a Republican. Barry Goldwater was considered to be a fringe Republican candidate. Today, Barry goldwater would be mainstream Republican.

Our parties may have changed but I am convinced of one thing. Obama occasionally shows his true colors with 'redistribute the wealth' comments to Joe the plumber and his ridicule of entrapreneurs with 'you didn't build that'. I believe Obama is so far out of the mainstream that in another time Obama would be comfortable joining forces with Karl Marx or the Bolsheviks in russia. Obama should write a book entitled 'My life as an anti-freemarket Marxist'. However, as with everyone that has tried Marxist policies, Obama's policies have failed miserably and hopefully we will get back on track by throwing Obama under the bus in November.

As Romney has been doing all the time, changing words to fit his needs.

[url]http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia[/url]

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 425472]The other phrase you might be looking for is "God Bless You ". Heard about as much as " good morning "

Both Republicans and Democrats have changed. In the 1960's we had JFK, who today would be more comfortable as a Republican. Barry Goldwater was considered to be a fringe Republican candidate. Today, Barry Goldwater would be mainstream Republican.

Our parties may have changed but I am convinced of one thing. Obama occasionally shows his true colors with 'redistribute the wealth' comments to Joe the plumber and his ridicule of entrepreneurs with 'you didn't build that'. I believe Obama is so far out of the mainstream that in another time Obama would be comfortable joining forces with Karl Marx or the Bolsheviks in Russia. Obama should write a book entitled 'My life as an anti-free-market Marxist'. However, as with everyone that has tried Marxist policies, Obama's policies have failed miserably and hopefully we will get back on track by throwing Obama under the bus in November.[/QUOTE]

WorldTravel69, Alamo has a point. In the debates in 2008 Charles Gibson asked Barack Obama if he would increase a tax, if that increase would result in LESS revenue to the federal government. Specifically they were discussing the capital gains tax. If you make it too high, people just don't sell things, so they won't have to pay the tax. Obama's response was that whether increasing the rate would increase or decrease federal revenues wasn't important. What was important was that the system would be fairer if rates were increased. So, in other words, it's okay if we're all a little bit worse off, as long as we're more equal economically. This is like socialism on steroids. Esten might approve. The gini coefficient is the be all and end all.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 425471]Too bad that some of you can not see what is going on in the USA IN the news of each day.

Maddow and Letterman.[/QUOTE]What's sad is your belief that Maddow and Letterman are actual news sources.

Anyway, to you it doesn't make any difference so long as we're not talking about...

[size=3][b]8.3% unemployment and $1,000,000,000,000 dollar budget decificts![/b][/size]

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 425481]As Romney has been doing all the time, changing words to fit his needs.

[url]http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia[/url][/QUOTE]This is appropriate for a Barack Hussein Obama campaign web site. But why is it on a government web site? Why are tax dollars being spent for partisan purposes, to support a candidate that 50% of Americans do not support? This should be illegal. I know it's illegal for government employees to work on campaigns while they're on the clock. And that would have been required to transcribe, format and post this, along with the bandwidth, servers, etc. provided by the U.S. government.

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man;425441]The Fed corollary is determinate sentencing which has lengthened prison terms.[/quote]Why didn't you just say it's Bush's fault? The people of California are responsible for state sentencing, it sounds to me like you're the one who's out of step.

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man;425441]I think sentences are too long. I sat on a jury and convicted a guy for a $50 stickup. I thought five years was good. He got 15 because it was his second offense and used a gun.[/quote]Wow really what would you have given the guy if it was a first offense, probation? Anybody that has the balls to rob people at gun point has the balls to pull the trigger, they need to be off the streets. What you did not mention is how long before the guy is eligible for parole, how much time would he really serve?

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man;425441]Never heard of person in California who could not buy a gun they wanted. Gun laws here do not violate the Second Amendment.[/quote]There are many guns that are banned in California, these same guns are legal to own in other states, most of these are guns that some liberal classified as 'assault weapons' in order to get them banned. So there are gun that people want and can't own in California. Most of California's gun laws are designed to discourage and encumber gun ownership.

California has gun registration requirements, gun bans, open carry ban, and a discriminatory concealed carry law, just to name a few. I suspect you are incorrect about violating the Second Amendment. To me laws that circumvent the Second Amendment also violate the Second Amendment.

Here's an example of one of California's great gun law debates.

[url]http://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/aug/20/california-senate-debates-bb-gun-bill/[/url]

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man;425441]I think that a healthy economy defeats all forms of terrorism.[/quote]Really, how?

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man;425441]My biggest surprise is that Patriot Act has not been repealed and the TSA disbanded.[/QUOTE]Why did you think it would be repealed, are you really that naive? Rights are seldom given back once they've been taken.