2012 Elections in the USA

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Gingrich is another former monger who has gone over the deep end with his conversion to Catholicism.

Although I agree with the economic policy of Republicans the social agenda is out of bounds. Maybe the theme of this election is "It's not the economy Stupid." Republicans seem to want to use the cover of the economy to push their social agenda. I watching Peggy Noonan today on the Sunday news programs and she was trying to assure me that they can control these guys using Akin as the example. I don't know.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;425619]The Millionaire Job Creators, with their tax cuts why are they Not Creating Jobs? Explain That?[/QUOTE]They are busy buying $250 Million pieces of art, yachts, mansions, horses, or investing their money in financial products. Yeah it creates a few jobs, but it's a very poor return from an economic standpoint.

It is a far better investment to help the poor and middle class, because their spending almost entirely gets recycled back into the local economy.

An economic policy that strengthens the wealthy (tax cuts) and weakens the poor and middle class (spending cuts) , is simply bad economic policy.

Wow, 'Food stamp usage is up 64% in the last four years".

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"And the cost is up 114% in the same period.'

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[QUOTE=Punter 127; 425683]Wow, 'Food stamp usage is up 64% in the last four years".

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"And the cost is up 114% in the same period. '

[ATTACH=CONFIG]28463[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]I am not clear what the 50k number is. It seems low to me. Here is a link that says there are 22m households on foodstamps with 44m eligible.

[url]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/record-number-us-households-foodstamps[/url]

Romney pulled ahead in the polls this week as typically the challenger does during the week of the convention. I doubt that Obama comes back. It would be unprecedented for an incumbent to win under these economic conditions. There is some neat econometric work at RealClearPolitics. Com. I hope Romney can control the crazies.

[QUOTE=Big Boss Man; 425687]I am not clear what the 50k number is. It seems low to me. Here is a link that says there are 22m households on foodstamps with 44m eligible.

[url]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/record-number-us-households-foodstamps[/url]

Romney pulled ahead in the polls this week as typically the challenger does during the week of the convention. I doubt that Obama comes back. It would be unprecedented for an incumbent to win under these economic conditions. There is some neat econometric work at RealClearPolitics. Com. I hope Romney can control the crazies.[/QUOTE]Here's where the charts came from.

[url]http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/08/food-stamp-usage-up-64-in-last-four.html[/url]

Here's another link you might like about spending as percent of GDP.

[url]http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/08/government-spending-as-percentage-of-gdp.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Punter 127; 425692]Here's where the charts came from.

[url]http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/08/food-stamp-usage-up-64-in-last-four.html[/url]

Here's another link you might like about spending as percent of GDP.

[url]http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/08/government-spending-as-percentage-of-gdp.html[/url][/QUOTE]In addition, that level is the same as under Reagan. The numerous middle class and small business tax cuts enacted by Obama have taken the level of taxes paid as a share of GDP to the lowest level since 1959. That should make Jackson happy!

[QUOTE=Esten;425682]They are busy buying $250 Million pieces of art, yachts, mansions, horses, or investing their money in financial products. Yeah it creates a few jobs, but it's a very poor return from an economic standpoint.[/QUOTE]Once again completely ignoring the fact that it's their fucking money and they have the right to spend it as they wish.

[QUOTE=Esten; 425682]They are busy buying $250 Million pieces of art, yachts, mansions, horses, or investing their money in financial products. Yeah it creates a few jobs, but it's a very poor return from an economic standpoint.

It is a far better investment to help the poor and middle class, because their spending almost entirely gets recycled back into the local economy.

An economic policy that strengthens the wealthy (tax cuts) and weakens the poor and middle class (spending cuts) , is simply bad economic policy.[/QUOTE]Too bad none of those rich people own businesses and employ Americans. Oh wait, a lot of them do. Some would even expand their businesses if the government would stop this insane level of regulation.

Sure the poor will spend the money you give them. And that will foster even more dependence upon the government. Food rots in the fields because those poor people would rather get a handout from the government rather than work. Time to let them learn that if you don't work, you don't eat. They will adjust quickly.

[QUOTE=Jackson;425701]Once again completely ignoring the fact that it's their fucking money and they have the right to spend it as they wish.[/QUOTE]Thanks for reminding us your positions are based on ideology, and not on actual economic analysis.

[QUOTE=Dccpa;425709]Too bad none of those rich people own businesses and employ Americans. Oh wait, a lot of them do.[/QUOTE]And a lot of them don't.

Here's an idea. Get rid of tax cuts that help job creators but that are also wasted on wealthy non-job creators. Instead, target policy directly at businesses that actually create jobs.

There are many cartoon's About the dumb Republicans Politicians.

Here is a start..

[QUOTE=Esten;425720]economic analysis.[/QUOTE]Is that liberal code for "[i]We have the right to take your money because we think we can spend it better than you[/i]"?

And you postulate that I'm the one whose "[i]positions are based on ideology[/i]"?

In the mean time, let's not forget about..

[size=3][b]8.3% unemployment and $1,000,000,000,000 annual budget deficits![/b][/size]

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 425619]Here's a thought.

Congress is not doing a fucking thing to help.

They have knocked down every proposal to Create Jobs.[/QUOTE]Actually, it all depends on your definition of a "Jobs Bill".

If your definition of a "Jobs Bill" is legislation that borrows money from China to create make work jobs (pay one guy to dig a ditch and another guy to fill it in), then your statement is correct.

If your definition of a "Jobs Bill" is legislation that encourages (or stops discouraging) private business to hire more employees, then I will respond by telling you that the Republican Congress has passed dozens of "Jobs Bills" that Harry Reid refuses to allow to be voted on in the Senate, and you can put that blame directly at the feet of the asshole Harry Reid.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;425619]The Millionaire Job Creators, with their tax cuts why are they Not Creating Jobs? Explain That?[/QUOTE]What "tax cut" are you referring to? There's been no income tax cut for years. In fact, we've had the same income tax rates for more than 10 years.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;425619]The Pipeline the Republicans want to build to Texas is not going to help the price of Our Gas. It is wanted by the rich so they can make more money by Exporting it. If the Oil is in the North, refine it there. Why go to Texas?[/QUOTE]WT, your lack of business acumen is appalling.

First, the reason to "go to Texas" is because that's where the American oil refineries are located.

Second, it's completely irrelevant if the Canadian oil is eventually shipped to other markets. The pipeline will provide jobs to build and maintain, and the oil will provide additional American jobs as it's refined in Houston refineries and loaded onto ships at Galveston port facilities. Duh!

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;425619]Even Mother Nature does not like the Republicans. I guess they will be hanging out Jackson's Bistro in Florida. Or at the Doll House.[/QUOTE]I bet that you really do believe that Hurricane Isaac is an Act of God who is punishing the Republicans, don't you?

I retract my earlier statement. Please do not post your own thoughts. Instead, please return to posting links to fantasy TV shows to bolster your positions.

In the mean time, let's not forget about..

[size=3][b]8.3% unemployment and $1,000,000,000,000 annual budget deficits![/b][/size]

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson;425743]Second, it's completely irrelevant if the Canadian oil is eventually shipped to other markets. The pipeline will provide jobs to build and maintain, the oil will provide additional American jobs as it's refined in American refineries in Texas. Duh![/QUOTE]Not only that, the Keystone pipeline would provide more energy security. The Canadians will build an oil pipeline from Alberta to British Columbia if Keystone is not built. Then the oil would be exported to Asia.

We could have a captive source of oil supply, from here in North America. That would make us less dependent on sources like the Middle East and Venezuela. That's a big deal. Look at history, the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait for example. And look at the present, Iran's threat to shut off the Straits of Hormuz if their nuclear facilities are destroyed.

If Obama is re-elected he'll likely allow the pipeline to go ahead. He realizes there's no logical reason to stop it. However, just like his tax the rich thing, he's using the issue to appeal to his political base, in this case environmentalists that don't seem to realize whether gasoline is burned in China or the USA, it's going to produce CO2.

The U.S. is a net importer of crude oil, and will continue to be after Keystone is built. Yes, we do import oil, refine it, and export some gasoline. The exports provides jobs to American workers, income to American companies, and taxes to state, local and federal governments. I do not understand WT69's point, at all. We import a lot more oil/petroleum products than we export.

One final point -- Canadian oil is selling for for $10 to $15 per barrel less than West Texas Intermediate (WTI). And WTI in turn is selling for $15 less than the oil we're importing from Nigeria, Venezuela, etc. Gasoline prices would be lower if Keystone were in place.

[QUOTE=Esten; 425723]And a lot of them don't.

Here's an idea. Get rid of tax cuts that help job creators but that are also wasted on wealthy non-job creators. Instead, target policy directly at businesses that actually create jobs.[/QUOTE]

Esten - Other than the singular exception of silver spoon inheritance, so let's leave that aside for now, curious what your take is on how most wealthy non-job creators became wealthy in the first place? Whether they are currently creating new jobs or not at the moment, where do you think that capital came from?

Do you not imagine many created income for others whether having direct employees or not? And do you comsider sitting on wealth to be some sin or unfair somehow?

Last. Really curious whether you've personally created one or more incremental new jobs?