Madahos

[QUOTE=Westsider]In one year Madahos pricing has gone wild. Last year 200p for 1 hour was easily negotiated[/QUOTE]Lucky you. I haven't been able to get anything lower than 300p for two years. I've never even paid that much. The only time I agreed to it the girl didn't follow through with BBBJ so I booted her. I've been going to Madahos since it's open, I don't know how I got the 300p mark on my head.

Walking down Vicente Lopez last night both La Lopez and Madahos were closed.

Someone said something about the coming election was the reason.

To bad since it put a lot of girls out of work.

Exon

I took out a brazilian girl named Eduarta from here recently. Blond, natural DD, attractive with a refined, elegant look. Early-mid 20s I'd say. She's an intelligent girl and only works a few nights a week while going to school. It was late maybe 3am. She wanted 600p for 2 hours. I think I counteroffered 400p for 1.5h. She became more serious in the negotiation, and started explaining how she is selective and looks for guys she could also do other things with like go to dinner, etc. Possibly true or bullshit. She countered 500p and said for 2 hours, maybe longer no worries about the time. I accepted. Her drink was 80p. Left in taxi to my hotel. Very good session. No kissing or BBBJ (didn't ask) but otherwise very accomodating. Nice body and GREAT natural breasts. First part of session she serviced me with various requests. Middle of session she wanted me to help her get off, where she slowly rode me cowgirl for about 20 minutes, while I softly massaged her breasts which were right in front of my face. This was her little fantasy she explained to me, but I enjoyed it quite a bit as well. She had some great facial expressions and definately got off. End of session had her service me slowly with her hands and breasts and I had an intense orgasm. No after session cuddling, etc, she went off to the bathroom and got dressed. Stayed about 1h40min. I paid more than I usually do, and would have liked her to stay longer. No big deal. 3am in the club was late for me, I wanted her and didn't want to waste more time finding another chica. It was a good session.

Thanks for the report. This girl Eduarta sounds to me like one of these women who could almost be a super provider, but can't quite bring herself to do it. Sounds like you overall had a good time, though.

Good report, Esten. Sounds like you pleased the correct dick, if you know what I mean.

No DFK, No BBBJ,

I'd rather have the $500 peso's.

Exon

500! Damn. I paid 450 for 2 hot chicas from oralgirls.com who did what the hell I told them. Ok their names are Axe and Kendra. Kendra is Bolivian, who is denying her background, but Axe is all portena and is worth the money. Suerte. Oh this was was yesterday.

Lunico

Esten-

First I'd like the thank you for reporting your experiences here on this board for everyone to learn from. If you felt that the $500 AR was money well spent, so be it, and read no further. However, if you want to hear some useful insights from a full-time resident who knows the chicas (pro and amateur) pretty well, read on.

I can tell you right now without meeting you or the girl in question that she would have taken less money for a longer-than an hour experience. When the clock comes close to striking the 3am mark in these clubs, its almost lights out for these girls and the prospect of walking without any money becomes very real. Essentially at this point, no matter what the girl told you, its all reasonable offers accepted (meaning $300 AR) and the terms are negotiable to a far greater degree than if you were dealing with this girl at 1am. This expecially holds true considering that at 3am or later, the girls at Madahos do not have to return to the club, meaning how long she spends with you is entirely up to her.

As far as the girl claiming to be "selective" and "looking for guys to date", that is all just total con-artist bullshit, all these girls are nothing more than two tits and a twat for rent, they will go out with all but the most undesireable client. In addition, I can tell you there is no way these girls would consider legitimatly dating you (which in chica land means you fuck them bareback for free, whenever you want essentially, because you can actually give them orgasms) BEFORE you have fucked them.

The price you paid is not actually totally outrageous, guys pay $200-$300 USD on a nightly places at Black, so you paid considerably less than those poor souls. You just did not get a good value for the money you paid; for $500 AR, you should have gotten everything and anything you wanted or could ever want, for as long as you wanted (meaning 3 or 4 hours)

Some girls are actually worth what amounts to ridiculous sums of money for Buenos Aires. Last Thursday I was talking to a dancer at Cocodrilo who was a true 9.5. I would have dropped $200 USD in a nanosecond to get her into bed with me, unfortunatly she wasn't for hire.

Suerte,

Dirk Diggler

Thanks for the info. I've been to BA several times and I'm aware of pretty much everything you said. I know I could have negotiated down more, especially at that hour. Some contributing factors why I didn't - on this occasion - are:

- I'd just got into EZE at 8pm that evening.

- I'd already paid the girl's drink, so moving onto another girl would mean a loss of the 80p already invested.

- Yes it was 3am, and I should have been thinking 'I can get a good price at this hour', but instead I was focused on 'It's late, I don't have time or interest to invest more time finding a bargain, I just want a good experience to finish the day.'

I go to BA mainly for the club scene. I occasionally visit the cheaper ones but spend most of my time in the high-end clubs. I also (generally) focus on the top 20% girls in terms of looks. My willing price range in these clubs used to be 250-300 range in the past couple years. Based on several factors I've adjusted up to 300-400 range this year (per hour minimum) I thought the 500 I paid was not crazy given that it was for 2 hours. Again, I agree I could have negotiated down further though, given the late hour. I just didn't care at that point, for the reasons above.

Esten ~ good report, sounds like you had a good time.

Why do you feel you have to justify what you paid to the price police?

[quote=Esten]- I'd already paid the girl's drink, so moving onto another girl would mean a loss of the 80p already invested. [/QUOTE]That's why I (almost) always negotiate the deal before I buy the chica a drink.

Sounds like you had a good time anyway.

Following watching the Argentina-Paraguay Copa America game at a nearby restaurant, I went to Madahos to enjoy my last night in town.

I got there a little bit after midnight, and the place was beginning to fill up. Even though I speak some basic Spanish, my American accent is patently obvious and I was quoted prices in US$; the accent undermined my negotiating posture. Quite a few chicas, some more average looking but a few who are genuinely hot. The dancers are definitely the hottest chicas there.

After surveying the scene for while, watching some dancing and talking to a few chicas I honed in on Johanna, a super-petite long-haired portena blond (she is an 8 I would say, maybe slightly higher) After starting with a US$200 demand, we agreed on US$150. She is very lively and a lot of fun – I would certainly recommend her.

Overall costs: AR$50 for my entrance, which included a drink (I had to throw in an extra AR$5 for a Jack Daniels) One chica drink is required, there goes another AR$80 (obviously, make a deal with a chica before buying any of them a drink) Transitorio was AR$45, so. It was about US$210 for the entire experience. I had a big smile on my face when I went to bed that night and in the morning as well, so I think that is sufficient evidence that it was worth it.

P. S. One thing I realized in terms of inflation is that the chica economy is based on increments of 50. At least for boliches, this means that prices typically will increase by increments of that amount (I. E. From AR$150 to AR$200, you won't see a price increase of, say AR$100 to AR$125 or $140) There is a little more price variation with privados.

Reading here what has been told is more or less the correct reflection about how prices can raise. I mean I am the best example:

Googleing some internet sites about local escorts and some hot places, coming from (regarding mongering) expensive europe, have no clue about existing - informative - places like this here, and whoooops I offered 4k us$

For an escort for 14 days.

Looking here around, gathering the infos, makes me believe that exactly that is the problem. BEING UNINFORMED!

1. The europeans, esp. French and british collegues, are used to much higher prices. Looking at germans, brithish and french fellows, you can be sure that they all speak more or less english - but so what? It simply doesn't help in BA, even worst, it identifies the visitors to the lady as a tourist. They, inclusive me, simply do not know what is going on here in reality, and so they get " filtered" by the ladies, untill the cash is happyley burned. And the best is they do not even think it was too high priced, noooo, these guys come back next year with the bundle of buddies who they told how cheap the chicas were, and do it again because euro /$ is that comfortable at the moment, that's all! Its as simple like that. The only good news is that flights from europe to BA are a real torture (14 houres) and still expensive.

That will help to " defend " the pricelevel, but noone should think that it will not change to the worst, because since quite a time the chicas theirself found out that esp. In Portugal and Spain, sex is expensive and much higher payed than in BA. Conclusion: Those of us (I am so arrogant and include me) who want to have longterm stabil prices are in danger to monger with ladies who can't afford the flighttickets to europe, or get used to slightly increasing prices. Unfortunately thats the law of market. And we all do not look like Bratt Pitt for whom they would fall down on their knees and suck the toes, while he is playing the violine, correct Jakson?:-)

I try to be nice, as I stated that somewhere else, try to give her a respectfull feeling, show her that a very nice night is waiting for her, and if I smell that she is interested the cards are playing for me, politly spoken.

Ok, guys - don't take it too serious, the germans, french, and british will not arrive like a zunami of Grasshoppers, and crash the market. Its more like melting the I've due global warming;-) cheers!

I think its very important to have ongoing discussion on pricing. Comments from those like Dirk are especially valuable so we can benchmark what we are paying. We may not always strike the best deals but at least this knowledge can help us avoid paying highly inflated amounts.

I general I am mindful of getting what I want, while not contributing to unreasonable inflation in the market. I always negotiate. How hard I negotiate though depends on several variables.

Nicol the Brazilian is still working and will likely be at Madahos for several more months. I've seen her twice in the past and highly recommend her. I spoke with her this trip to BA but didn't take her out. Actually she looked a little less 'fresh' than what I recall before. But her service is top-notch.

Another girl who worked at Madahos for over a year is now at another high-end club. She's a sweet, friendly blond with natural DDs. A little thick. I ran into her at the other club and asked why she wasn't at Madahos anymore. She said there was a bad vibe with the girls at Madahos, and she didn't want to work there anymore.

If a lady drink is 80 pesos there, how much of that does the lady get to keep?

[QUOTE=Smoothy]If a lady drink is 80 pesos there, how much of that does the lady get to keep?[/QUOTE][blue]Five Pesos.[/blue]

5 pesos to the girl for each drink. I must say that is really cheap on the part of Madahos.

[QUOTE=Esten]5 pesos to the girl for each drink. I must say that is really cheap on the part of Madahos.[/QUOTE][blue]The club makes it's money selling drinks.

The girls make their money selling their pussy.

They generally keep out of each other's pockets.

It seems balanced to me.

Besides, which would you want: The girls focusing on selling drinks, or selling their personal services.

Thanks,

Jackson

BTW, when the girls get you to buy them one of the house specality drinks that sell for $20-40 pesos more, they get $10 pesos, not $5.

Additionally, what they really get is a ticket for $5 pesos which they can and do use to buy themselves those little drinks you see them get served by the bar, and at the end of the night they can trade all of their remaining tickets in for the cash. This typically amounts to $30-60 pesos each night, even if they didn't have a client, and which is an amount that still exceeds what they would have earned at a "normal" job.[/blue]

Yes, but the only reason the club is selling drinks in the first place is because of the girls. 5p from an 80p drink seems very lopsided to me. I think 20p per drink would be more equitable without detracting significantly from the girl's incentive to sell her services.

If the average girl is really selling 6-12 drinks and making 30-60p per night as you say, then I don't feel quite as sorry for them. But I find that a little hard to believe. In a typical hour I've spent in Madahos on a busy night, I recall about 1/3 of the girls are with customers who have bought them a drink (maybe two) and 2/3 of the girls are alone / with their friends. Add to that the drinks that the girls occasionally buy themselves during the course of the night. It would seem to me that every night there are several girls who go home with barely enough to cover cab fare. Of course I could be wrong, these are just my limited observations and speculations.

... Poor chicas, not money for the cab back home. Please!

What about the 1000 pesos they got the night before with the 200 dollar foreign and the 400 pesos argentino. We are there only once in a while, those chicas are there every night.

DWC

[QUOTE=Esten]Yes, but the only reason the club is selling drinks in the first place is because of the girls.[/QUOTE][blue]Hi Esten,

OTOH, the only reason the girls are selling their pussy to the clubs customers (at the inflated club prices) is because of the club.

[quote]5p from an 80p drink seems very lopsided to me. I think 20p per drink would be more equitable without detracting significantly from the girl's incentive to sell her services.[/quote]Perhaps it would be more fair if the girls received 20% of the clubs drink price and the clubs received 20% of the chicas "service fee".

[quote]If the average girl is really selling 6-12 drinks and making 30-60p per night as you say, then I don't feel quite as sorry for them. But I find that a little hard to believe. In a typical hour I've spent in Madahos on a busy night, I recall about 1/3 of the girls are with customers who have bought them a drink (maybe two) and 2/3 of the girls are alone / with their friends. Add to that the drinks that the girls occasionally buy themselves during the course of the night. It would seem to me that every night there are several girls who go home with barely enough to cover cab fare. Of course I could be wrong, these are just my limited observations and speculations.[/quote]Just take a seat at the bar near the "controller" (The guy who clocks the girls in and out and who redeems their drink tickets) near the end of the night and watch the girls cashing in their drink tickets as they leave for the evening.

Additionally, you should factor in that the club typically gives the girls two free drinks every night, so with these plus the drinks that the customers are buying them, they're not generally buying many drinks for themselves.

BTW, it's rather strange to find my self defending the position of the club.

Jackson[/blue]

While 5p seems like very little money to most of us, it is not so to many locals. And, definitely not chump change if it adds up at the end of the night (s) For a better perspective on this, check out the recent thread were local incomes are discussed. I am sure many locals eat on less than 10p a day. In fact, half that for many. So, 5p is nothing to sneeze at.

I remember giving some kid that worked at the airport a 5 P tip. I had arrived and he helped me exchange my Amex Traveler Checks at a bank in the airport. (the one outside the gate wouldn't) So I met some business acquaintances, and told them the story. I explained to them that after I gave the kid the money, he kept staring at it. I thought I had insulted the kid by giving him not enough. My colleagues said, " you gave him more than he was expecting, he was staring at it because it was a fortune to him ".

Regards.

Smuler

Plenty of talent, high calibre too. Friendly environment. Went with Jackson so that probably helped. He seems to be a minor celebrity in this town. Anyhow a lot of the better looking girls are asking over $400, but the one I took was absolutely worth $450 and I would see her again anytime. Sorry to contribute to "inflation" but to be frank I'd rather pay a little more and fuck something that doesn't remind me of the ugly chekout girl at my local target store.

I remember not too long ago paying 300P for several hours for top notch girls out of Madahos.

The prices are getting kind of shocking. Supply and Demand is kicking in here big time. We need some more kids being born to supply future generations of mongers with some quality talent.

Well I think it's a kind of psicological definition of price such as any other trade. Since last January pay 300 pesos was absolutely well accepted. Right now they directly pass to 400, it' s huge increase in % but unfortunately it a 100 step. Maybe a price not rounded like 350 sounds strange.

Anyway I think the worse problem is the fall of quality in the best club.

I pass 3 to 4 time and I didn't find anything.

Last year I was quite often positevely impressed.

Moreover the best thing in madaho has always been the whole "buena onda" club+chicas.

Does anyone knows any alternative?

I don't like any chicas from la lopez and chicas from black I don't find them friendly.

[QUOTE=Sidney]There is a sucker born every minute! Avoid this overpriced place and their anti-Monger techniques! Three chica drinks at 80 pesos each+tips, chicas are told to return to the club in one hour, get em off fast and get back for another round, taxi scams, more![/QUOTE]How true it is, Madahos is become a complete rip-off, I can tell you this from.

Experiance, the women con you into agreeing with you on anything and once you cum they are out the door. It truely is a ripoff, they are all snakes. Try Newport and keep it under 250 for 2hrs.

This boy has not been to Madahos for over six months. I still have a very strong hormonal reactions to the combination of the girls and the atmosphere. This place is clearly overpriced and capable of ripping you off big time. I also have obtained some worthy advise from people who know the system better than I do. I take notes on badboys' postings about mogering.

I invested the time and 80 pesos for a chica drink with one of the woman who obviously floats my boat. WE spent 30 to 45 minutes talking for only the one drink before 450 exit price was negotiated. Not cheap, but within the reasonable end of the market for one of the better looking girls per my taste. I was with a newbie who was a little uncomfortable at first. My girl found someone that fit his descrption of what he likes with a little bit of english for the same price.

She is a nice girl and took my cel number. I was tired and had the beginnings of a cold. I did not leave with her, but gave a small tip for sitting with me and playing kissy face for a long time. She took my number and called me today.

While I was feverish and ready for bed. 300 pesos if I buy her a steak before work. We have a tentative appointmnet for Saturday, if I feel up to it. This girl was a secretary for a multinational and has a ten year visa to the usa, with eight years left. I got her in a spot light before buying the drink and she appeared to me to be no older than eary 30's, maybe younger. As syd says below, the lighting is scientifically designed to make the chicas' real appearance difficult to detect.

I think that is is a waste of time to provide her name and a detailed descrption, but I'll provide basics: charo, 5'7", or 8, straight blonde hair, gym body--very tight curvy stomach and butt, very sexy hi healed sandels, dark eyes, Tastefully enhanced breasts

Nice calm personality, as sensual as you can tell in the club--she spent over one hour stroking my upper body and kissing me and never asked for the second drink. Her number is going in my permanent collection as I doubt that I am going to be well on Saturday. If I do not test the waters now, it will happen in November. If she is as pleasing in my bedroom as she was on the bar, I road trip might be in order for someone with a ten year visa. This girl has close to zero english. I would rate her body 8.5 to 9.0, face 7.5 to 80 and she seemed like a sweet heart at the bar, but you never know.

I am 55 yo and slightly over weight--not a stud-muffin.

I prefer the girl friend experience and I'm learning how to cultivate the increased probabilty of receiving one by trying to send out that message. With the right girl this helps. Some girls prefer 30 minutes of bang, bang, bang and thank you mam. The girl friend types will offer a differnet type of service that I am learning about. I am relatively new at the mongering arts and developing my own style. I try to follow the master mongers' style of developing repeat relationships or friendship with my favorites, mixed with trolling for new faces. After I leave, I'll post my favorites photos and info after I leave. I have a couple of girl friend gems based upon how we reacted to each other.

Hold on for the bj queen--she is a real treat and was nursing through my bout of the flu. This girl is a free lance porno actress and i originally met her in las lopez while waiting for another sweet little to return from an out call.
She did not like the system there and left after a few weeks.

Great story Sid,

Can we have a name, because if even half of the story you told was true she sounds pretty good. I have seen 2 black girls from the DR in that place. One is slightly taller than the other, bad weaves but nice racks.

Bad

[QUOTE=Sidney]Immediately she starts DFK and is un-zipping my pants. She drops to her knees and sees my thick, 12'' tool. She is estatic. Says that she has never seen such a big cock! -[/QUOTE]Sid, when you measure the tool, you're only supposed to measure from the base to the end. Not from the base to the end, back to the base, back to the end, and back to the base. Accounting figures like that turn a 3 inch weiner into a 12 inch one. Did you possibly work for Enron in a former job? ;)

One question Sidney, what was a ruler doing in your pants?

It is obvious that el syd has quite a bit of creative talent for fiction. I think that his brother mongers should encourage him to stretch his creative legs along with his Johnson.

Only kidding Sid, but the posting is great! It's great to read you post about mongering rather than other subjects. Please do so again soon.

Bob

I like you and will resist the temptation to say anything other that you could write a column for a gentleman's magazine.

I had the beginnings of what is now a flu, maybe I missed your grand seduction while I was occupied with a different type of stimulation.

[QUOTE=Sidney]We get in free. He is very Worldwide experienced (favorite is China) much younger, and the ho's all want him and his money. Ok with me because I don't have to reject them. For 2 hours, we only see 3 very doable chicas--a Peruvian (she wants $500, not pesos! And won't compromise! He laughs and sends her away to find a sucker) A tall, model type from the DR with a ''world class ass''(J and I met her recently) She wants me for 1 hour @ 300 pesos. I want 2 hours, she refuses. The same old Mada-ho's bullshit =get em off fast and get back. No fukin way for me! The 3rd was a charming, happy, tall, English speaking Dominican-- we both liked just being around her. But we were prospecting for daytime activity. Anyway, we let her slip away. The dichotomy--Many are / should be available for 200--300 pesos and apparently, a few locos that want big bucks. Negotiate hard or avoid! Few seem to get work (the happy Dominican easily found work)[/QUOTE]Syd-

That was quite fun, especially calling them at their own game. "Mad-as-hoes" is what you should call it. They are very happy to be w / you until you refuse their 80p girlie drink. Anyway, after we parted ways, I walked through Recoleta, hailed a cab and, low and behold ---- I'm right in front of Exedra. You know I can't resist --- and it's on the way to my hotel too! So, like all the other fools I take a seat at one of the only talbes available at 2AM, --- only to find a table full of 4 or 5 DOMINICANAS! What luck, not not "Lady" or your girl, but still there was at least two lookers in the bunch. Didn't seem to understand her name, but she had long black hair, small tits, but a great ass. Struggling through pleasantries in spanglish, we came to the conclusion that the only $200 I was about to pay was in Pesos - not dollars. Ok, froze our way to the Sheraton but soon warmed up starting in the elevator. Man, this girl loved to ---- well, everything! More and more of it. I tried to get her to leave at about 4, but she wanted to go at it again. I only had 1 condom and thought about turning it inside out! She slept a couple of hours and finally I heard the "ya me voy" signal, that it's time to pay up. She was ok w / the 200p and said she would see me tonight. Like hell, she wore me out! I'm sitting here at 10pm like a dumbass, typing this report. Maybe I'll sample some of those privados that you love so much tomorrow!

Twelve inches? Hmm.

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[QUOTE=Sidney]She drops to her knees and sees my thick, 12'' tool. She is estatic. Says that she has never seen such a big cock! She says that she has always dreamed of a huge cock like mine.

Tomorrow she wants me to fuck her and her bi-sexual lesbian lover. Of course I agree to her 2 wishes. How could I not? What a beautiful, wonderful sex queen! I offered her 600 pesos for the 4 hours of ecstasy and she refuses any money! She won't even accept taxi money. Again she begs me to fuck her every day. [/QUOTE]