2012 Elections in the USA

The country and the western world lost the factor job to the 3nd world country. This is good for the world bad for those on the top. There is not a thing anyone can do in 4 years or 8 to change this. Giveing money to small bussiness. With a 2 out of 3 failure rate. We be better off betting on the blackjack table. Much better odds. Americans don't vote for what is best, it votes for more money gets to them. Sad but true. The factores are gone and with them the golden goose. America needs to lose our oversize home, eating out to much and earn lower saleries to mathch the rest of the world. We live way better than our dads did. And we or still not happy. The rest is just bull shit, vote like me. So I get more money.

Thanks for pointing out my bad grammar. I edited the posts.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 425878]Our government can't afford to pay for the medical expenses of wealthy people like Toymann, in a system where health care is 17% of GDP. The health care system must be reformed to lower costs, via competition or whatever, and Obamacare did not solve that problem. Sorry about that Toymann, you need to pay for your own prostate exams.

The lies are coming from Obama. I posted some info that came from the IRS's web site here that showed the Democrat plan to only raise taxes on those who make more than $250, 0000 (Obama) or $1, 000, 000 (Pelosi and Schumer) won't do diddly squat. The rich don't make enough money to balance the budget. If you don't cut spending, taxes MUST rise on the middle class, or the country goes bankrupt. My belief is that Romney's plan would lower taxes on the middle class and increase taxes on the wealthy. He's proposing a 20% across the board cut, and paying for it by getting rid of loopholes. The problem is that he hasn't specified the loopholes. The reason I think is because Romney expects people to lose enthusiasm for his campaign in they hear about their special loopholes being cut, be they the oil well percentage depletion allowance or investment tax credits or whatever.

This is a fiction of the Democrat party, that the middle class will get screwed by Republican tax cuts. Bush's tax cuts made the tax system more progressive. At a given level of income for all income groups, the wealthy pay a higher percentage of the taxes after the Bush cuts.

This is cryptic. Do you mean God has turned Peru over to Humala, one of Chavez's buddies, and he's going to straighten out Peru? Like Obama was going to straighten out the USA?

I'm behind Reagan on that. The USA incarcerates a larger percentage of its citizens than any country in the world. We stick people in jail for using drugs, for being prostitutes, and for packing lobster tails in plastic (Honduran law, enforced by the USA Justice Department, required lobster be packaged in cardboard.) If you have to put up with some drug addict on the streets of San Francisco that you'd prefer be in jail, I don't have a lot of compassion for that.

So people should be forced to join unions if they want to work? I agree completely with the offshore laborers. Chinamen and Mexicans aren't real people. They're subhuman. They shouldn't have running water or electricity or more food than they need to survive. They don't need jobs. [WT69, I realize you don't think this way. But that's the effect your policy would have if implemented by developed countries. ][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 425878]Sorry about that Toymann, you need to pay for your own prostate exams.

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If this comes to pass TinyDude, can you recommend a chica specialist in BA? Have never gone there in the past BUT may have to keep an open mind (hope Exon is reading this post. LOL). LMAO. Monger on TinyDude. Toymann

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;425874]Greed, Greed, Greed.[/QUOTE]"[i]Greed is good. Greed works.[/i]"

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[QUOTE=Esten; 425866]Actually it was a guy probably in his 50's, running his own business by himself. I paid him a few hundred bucks to bring some machines to aerate, thatch and seed my lawn in the spring. The lawn is looking good, though I still have some more work to do.

What do you think was a bigger factor for this man deciding to start his own business. Tax cuts on his personal income, or consumer demand for his service?[/QUOTE]Having started my own business, I will emphatically say it was because of the personal income I could make. Including tax cuts and other factors determining total income. Not consumer demand. Demand means nothing if the reward you can achieve is too low or far outweighed by the risks and costs you incur.

There is a ton of consumer demand in Canada and Euro countries for elective surgery. But not a lot of suppliers because they are aware the potential personal income they could earn because of tax raises and crushing diminishing return on state reimbursed dollars per services rendered makes the reward for such work a losing proposition regardless of the demand.

Also, regarding prior posts you've made, you seem to disregard not only the risk the job creator made with his / her own personal capital to create that job, But that the personal capital used was already taxed at least once and frequently multiple times before I invested it into creating a business and directly creating net incremental new jobs.

Further, those like you also seem to forget that it is not just the personal capital at risk, but the soul crushing pressure and sometimes despair that real human beings now depend on you. The business owner, job creator, and income provider for your employees.

The happiest day for one of my first employees hired was about 2. 5 years into the birth of my business. She'd been with me since the start, along with a dozen others. She proudly told me she had just completed making offer and going into escrow for her first home purchase ever. In fact the first home anyone in her family had ever owned. Basically the American dream of buying that first home.

It was the worst day of my life. Outwardly happy for her but terrified that I now had people who literally depended on me to succeed not just for my own "greed" and filthy capitalist pursuit of wealth but so they could make mortgage payments.

If you've never created new jobs, can you even comprehend why I and people like me feel we deserve our tax breaks and other incentives to grow real income and productivity for this country? I don't particularly care which political party a person backs, but the day there are more takers than makers, more entitement vs risk takers, and more screaming about taking wealth from those that actually made that wealth plus took a heck of a lot of people upwards with them, is the day our country loses that special ability to constantly generate and regenerate the creativity and drive to fuel the world economy

[QUOTE=Toymann;425883]If this comes to pass TinyDude, can you recommend a chica specialist in BA? Have never gone there in the past BUT may have to keep an open mind (hope Exon is reading this post. LOL). LMAO. Monger on TinyDude. Toymann[/QUOTE]Toymann, I'm not into that either. And it's been 5 years since I last visited BA. However, once upon a time in Mexico City, I woke up from a drunken stupor in a puddle of my own puke and had a wine cork stuffed up my ass. It felt really good. I believe it was placed there by a portena, Ayelen, although it's possible I did it to myself. She has since returned to Argentina: [url]http://www.ayelenlove.com/[/url]. She's not the prettiest, but if I were blindly looking for something like that she's the first person I'd go to.

Dirty Harry's speech was awesome!

Try to watch it if you have not seen it!

Deserves an Oscar, should think about being a Stand Up Comedian!

TL

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 425913]Toymann, I'm not into that either. And it's been 5 years since I last visited BA. However, once upon a time in Mexico City, I woke up from a drunken stupor in a puddle of my own puke and had a wine cork stuffed up my ass. It felt really good. I believe it was placed there by a portena, Ayelen, although it's possible I did it to myself. She has since returned to Argentina:

[url]http://www.ayelenlove.com/[/url]

She's not the prettiest, but if I were blindly looking for something like that she's the first person I'd go to.[/QUOTE]It looks like the girl in the link has done multiple cycles of anabolic steroids to go along with an overdose of plastic surgery. Did she have a clitoris the size of a grown man's thumb?

She didn't have the body builder physique when I saw her, although she did have the collagen-implanted lips. Anyway I think the thing about anabolic steroids increasing the size of the clitoris is an old wive's tale. I tried it on my dog and it does not work.

Sic Semper tyrannis!

And all things will become what they were before!

Boot that son of a ***** out!

My specialty is PUTAS not politics but we need a new president!

TL

Good post Mpexy.

[QUOTE=Mpexy;425899]Having started my own business, I will emphatically say it was because of the personal income I could make. Including tax cuts and other factors determining total income. Not consumer demand. Demand means nothing if the reward you can achieve is too low or far outweighed by the risks and costs you incur.[/QUOTE]Of course your net personal income is the motivator. What you take in, minus expenses and taxes.

But demand is the key underlying factor. All your income comes from your customers. How many will buy your product and how much they are willing to pay. Without demand you got nothing.

Some types of businesses have a greater profit potential than others. Some are not sufficiently attractive to incentivize an entrepreneur, as the example you gave. But when it comes to personal income taxes, I don't buy the argument that a change of 5 or 10% is a major factor for most small business owners. In the example of the landscaper I hired, I can assure you that his overwhelming consideration was consumer demand, not his tax burden.

[QUOTE]Also, regarding prior posts you've made, you seem to disregard not only the risk the job creator made with his / her own personal capital to create that job, But that the personal capital used was already taxed at least once and frequently multiple times before I invested it into creating a business and directly creating net incremental new jobs.[/QUOTE]No risk, no reward. That's what they say. I'm all in favor of incentivizing entrepreneurs and businesses to grow, and create wealth and jobs. And we already have plenty of incentives and deductions available to help them. Funny how rarely you hear a business guy acknowledge this. If we need more let's talk about it. But doing so through the personal tax code just isn't the way to do it.

Take Mitt Romney for example. He made $21 Million in 2010 and paid a 14% tax rate. How many jobs did he create? By his own admission he was "unemployed". Sorry, this country has a major problem with wealthy non-job creators benefitting from low tax rates, who take cover behind the argument that tax cuts always help the economy and create jobs.

[QUOTE]Further, those like you also seem to forget that it is not just the personal capital at risk, but the soul crushing pressure and sometimes despair that real human beings now depend on you. The business owner, job creator, and income provider for your employees.

The happiest day for one of my first employees hired was about 2. 5 years into the birth of my business. She'd been with me since the start, along with a dozen others. She proudly told me she had just completed making offer and going into escrow for her first home purchase ever. In fact the first home anyone in her family had ever owned. Basically the American dream of buying that first home.

It was the worst day of my life. Outwardly happy for her but terrified that I now had people who literally depended on me to succeed not just for my own "greed" and filthy capitalist pursuit of wealth but so they could make mortgage payments.[/QUOTE]I have a lot of respect for the entrepreneur and businessman. I also have a lot of respect for doctors, teachers, policemen, firemen, scientists, etc etc. If you're looking for someone to put the businessman up on a pedestal, you're asking the wrong guy. A businessman is not the economy, they are a piece of the economy.

Free-market capitalism has brought us down a road where wealth and power increasingly accumulate at the top (wealthy individuals and large corporations). I would argue even the small businessman has been hurt by these Darwinian trends. I support incentivizing and rewarding entrepreneurs and small businesses, but not in a manner that further increases economic inequality. Do it in a way that will help the landscaper I hired, but not guys like Mitt Romney or Warren Buffett, who don't need any help.

As for the estimates of electoral college votes the candidates are likely to win, currently Obama is leading 237-206, with 95 undetermined. Of course some of you will maintain that the NY Times is a liar. [url]http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/electoral-map[/url]

[QUOTE=Esten;425931]All your income comes from your customers. How many will buy your product and how much they are willing to pay. Without demand you got nothing.[/QUOTE]It's not rocket science Jefe and your ubercapitalist know-it-alls on the site who make ever so cogent comments on economic philosophy and business practice in voices rising up from out of your fundaments!

If it is Controlled.

A Profit Limit?

Okay, If It does not Fuck the working Class!

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The Movie 1216, was Incorrect, Watch It.
What a bunch of Fucking Lies.
Are You still that Dumb?

[QUOTE=Jackson; 425884]"[i]Greed is good. Greed works. [/i]"
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Enjoy my wild-ass liberal buddy. In his own words. IALOTFLMAO.

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This is NOT an attack add WT69. Nothing about eating kittens or satanic rituals, tax evasion or murder. The comander and chief and his own words. You really drink the cool aid dude. Monger On WT69. Toymann