2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 425949]If it is Controlled.

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What a bunch of Fucking Lies.

Are You still that Dumb?[/QUOTE]What the fuck are you trying to say?

In the mean time...

Gentlemen, please do not let the Liberals divert your attention from what's really important:

[size=3][b]8.3% unemployment

$3.80 per gallon gas

$1,000,000,000,000 annual budget deficits

$16,000,000,000,000 national debt

$51,074.84 of national debt owed by each citizen[/b][/size]

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson;425957]$51,074.84 of national debt owed by each citizen[/b][/size]

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That's $153,000 in national debt owed by each taxpayer. Add to that the present value of unfunded medicare and social security liabilities and you get $500,000 to $1.2 million per taxpayer, depending on what assumptions you make.

The last I've heard is that Mitt Romney still hasnt disclosed his tax returns for the last 12 years. His father wasnt afraid to do that back in the sixties. But I think Mitt doesn't want the people to find out about his tax shelters and off-shore havens that he's got his money socked away in. My guess is that his tax rate is even lower than 14% in some of those years. It would be kind of embarrassing for him to have to explain how he pays so little taxes compared to the middle class.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;425961]The last I've heard is that Mitt Romney still hasnt disclosed his tax returns for the last 12 years. His father wasnt afraid to do that back in the sixties. But I think Mitt doesn't want the people to find out about his tax shelters and off-shore havens that he's got his money socked away in. My guess is that his tax rate is even lower than 14% in some of those years. It would be kind of embarrassing for him to have to explain how he pays so little taxes compared to the middle class.[/QUOTE]This election is [u]NOT[/u] about Mitt Romney's tax returns.

Nobody gives a fuck about Mitt Romney's tax returns EXCEPT liberals who fantasize about endlessly parsing every line item therein. Romney is too smart to fall for this trap.

Obama's Internal Revenue Service has reviewed, dissected and approved Romney's tax returns. That should be enough for any rational person to accept.

Gentlemen, please do not let the Liberals divert your attention from what's really important:

[size=3][b]- 8.3% unemployment
- $3.80 per gallon gas
- $1,000,000,000,000 annual budget deficits
- $16,000,000,000,000 national debt
- $51,074.84 of national debt owed by each citizen[/b][/size]

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson; 425966]This election is [u]NOT[/u] About Mitt Romney's tax returns.

Nobody gives a fuck about Mitt Romney's tax returns EXCEPT liberals who fantasize about endlessly parsing every line item therein. Romney is too smart to fall for this trap.

Obama's Internal Revenue Service has reviewed, dissected and approved Romney's tax returns. That should be enough for any rational person to accept.

Gentlemen, please do not let the Liberals divert your attention from what's really important:

- 8. 3% unemployment.

- $3. 80 per gallon gas.

- $1, 000, 000, 000, 000 annual budget deficits.

- $16, 000, 000, 000, 000 national debt.

- $51, 074. 84 of national debt owed by each citizen.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]On July 7, 2008 the average price in the US for a gallon of regular gas was $4. 11. Who was the president at that time?

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;425967]On July 7, 2008 the average price in the US for a gallon of regular gas was $4. 11. Who was the president at that time?[/QUOTE]This election is [u]NOT[/u] about the price of gas 4 years ago.

Gentlemen, please do not let the Liberals divert your attention from what's really important:

[size=3][b]- 8.3% unemployment
- $3.80 per gallon gas
- $1,000,000,000,000 annual budget deficits
- $16,000,000,000,000 national debt
- $51,074.84 of national debt owed by each citizen[/b][/size]

Thanks,

Jackson

I'm going to get a kick in 2014 when the Romney Care Health Plan (based on his Massachuetts idea) opps Obama Care Health Plan starts in full. Thats when everybody has to have a health plan or pay a fine. The crying and bellyaching from the right-wingers will be deafening. I'll just be laughing.

[QUOTE=Jackson; 425966]This election is [u]NOT[/u] About Mitt Romney's tax returns.

Gentlemen, please do not let the Liberals divert your attention from what's really important:

8. 3% unemployment.

$3. 80 per gallon gas.

$1, 000, 000, 000, 000 annual budget decificts.

$16, 000, 000, 000, 000 national debt.

$51, 074. 84 of national debt owed by each citizen.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]HEAR YE, HEAR YE!

To all you misguided republicans and others who need to read the truth about willard the rat:

I present mandatory reading to bring you to your senses (his real name is willard mitt rommney)

A dear trusted dem friend sent me an article to read from the Rolling Stone website POLITICS section.

These articles astounded me and showed again how adept the press is at keeping real news from the

Public. PLEASE READ THESE ARTICLES! And tell me if you still believe in the mitt rat. And tell.

Me why this damming evidence has never been revealed.

The New York Times could run this and shut the mitt rat machine down. Wait until you read who are

His 10 wealthiest contributors are and how they will benefit from the mitt rat's election.

You will see if he wins, we the common serfs will pay and pay and lose our health and rights to the wealthy.

He is a george Bush clone but worse. He never served in the military and used influence to avoid.

Miitary service.

He very shrewdly bilked the govt into bailing out his bain capital and the taxpayers paid again.

He pulled off several stunts with bailouts aided by our lame govt and enriched bain capital.

With your tax dollars.

To conclude, some of you know me and that I'm quite apolitical but these on-line articles in THE ROLLING STONE.

In the POLITICS section made so pissed, I had to voice a warning to all who trust his rat.

My new stance is if you have not read these articles, I will not discuss politics with you. PERIOD.

And we can stay friends.

Jackpot.

PS. Can I post the rolling stone website in reference to this article or is that forbidden?

[QUOTE=BayBoy;425961]The last I've heard is that Mitt Romney still hasnt disclosed his tax returns for the last 12 years. His father wasnt afraid to do that back in the sixties. But I think Mitt doesn't want the people to find out about his tax shelters and off-shore havens that he's got his money socked away in. My guess is that his tax rate is even lower than 14% in some of those years. It would be kind of embarrassing for him to have to explain how he pays so little taxes compared to the middle class.[/QUOTE]Don't you think that Romney's tax returns have been audited in the last 10 years? I would be really astonished if he hasn't. If he hasn't been audited, the IRS must think he is legal.

What I want to know is what about President Obama's College Transcripts Why doesn't he release them? He went to Columbia for 2 years and no body remembers him. Who paid for his education? Columbia and Harvard are not cheap.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;425969]I'm going to get a kick in 2014 when the Romney Care Health Plan (based on his Massachuetts idea) opps Obama Care Health Plan starts in full. Thats when everybody has to have a health plan or pay a fine. The crying and bellyaching from the right-wingers will be deafening. I'll just be laughing.[/QUOTE]This election is [u]NOT[/u] about the Massachusetts health care law, which BTW was passed into law by the Massachusetts legislature with 99% of house reps and 100% of the state senators supporting the bill.

Gentlemen, please do not let the Liberals divert your attention from what's really important:

[size=3][b]- 8.3% unemployment
- $3.80 per gallon gas
- $1,000,000,000,000 annual budget deficits
- $16,000,000,000,000 national debt
- $51,074.84 of national debt owed by each citizen[/b][/size]

Thanks,

Jackson

Greetings mongers,

Please read the online Rolling Stone political section for a real.

Expose of Mitt Rommney and his backers. www.rollingstone.com/political

This is MANDATORY reading for you who want to know the truths and motivations.

Of the Rommney campaign.

I am an apolitical animal but these articles made me speak out to expose.

The suppressed truth that all Republicans and Democrats should be aware of.

Jackpot.

[QUOTE=Jackson; 425966]This election is [u]NOT[/u] About Mitt Romney's tax returns.

Nobody gives a fuck about Mitt Romney's tax returns EXCEPT liberals who fantasize about endlessly parsing every line item therein. Romney is too smart to fall for this trap.

Obama's Internal Revenue Service has reviewed, dissected and approved Romney's tax returns. That should be enough for any rational person to accept.

Gentlemen, please do not let the Liberals divert your attention from what's really important:

- 8. 3% unemployment.

- $3. 80 per gallon gas.

- $1, 000, 000, 000, 000 annual budget deficits.

- $16, 000, 000, 000, 000 national debt.

- $51, 074. 84 of national debt owed by each citizen.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jackson; 425973]This election is [u]NOT[/u] About the Massachusetts health care law, which BTW was passed into law by the Massachusetts legislature with 99% of house reps and 100% of the state senators supporting the bill.

Gentlemen, please do not let the Liberals divert your attention from what's really important:

- 8. 3% unemployment.

- $3. 80 per gallon gas.

- $1, 000, 000, 000, 000 annual budget deficits.

- $16, 000, 000, 000, 000 national debt.

- $51, 074. 84 of national debt owed by each citizen.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]That Massachetts Health Care law was the great guvenor's idea that he came up with. Now he pretends that he didn't want to have anything to do with the law. The Supreme Court got it right, everybody must pay and get on board.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;425975]That Massachetts Health Care law was the great guvenor's idea that he came up with. Now he pretends that he didn't want to have anything to do with the law. The Supreme Court got it right, everybody must pay and get on board.[/QUOTE]There is a vast difference between approving or not caring what any individual state chooses to pass vs. Being forced by the Federal government under one broad umbrella to no longer have an option, and that in fact the very option of not doing something is now considered an 'act' the government can now regulate.

Whether anyone approves of the Massachusetts health care reform or not, you have two choices. Don't go along with it as is your right to not participate (until Obamacare changes that of course) , participate, or move out of the state and in effect vote with your feet.

That has how states have always lost / won the final debate who has a "better" system.

Comparing Romney's Massachusetts and Obamacare is complete apples vs oranges. It's one state you can opt out of vs a vast federal umbrella you have no choice - a penalty that by the way scales UP with your income as a screwed up percentage rather than a flat penalty fee.

And when referencing the Supreme Court decision, reference it all, not just the handy part you like.

Yes. By 5:4 they ruled the individual mandate stays in as a tax. E. G. You, I, everyone. Has to buy mandated health care coverage by 2014 when that provision kicks in. Or be penalized, as a "tax" on non-participation now being ruled a "taxable" act. Where that ends we can argue later. E. G. You didn't get a college degree. Please pay a tax sir.

However, this covers only the penalty of you and me deciding to participate or not. By 7:2 vote, the justices agreed that states could not be forced to expand Medicaid the millions upon millions of people they'd now need to cover in order to actually extend health coverage so that people could "participate" as the individual mandate law now requires.

Or nuts and bolts version. We have to buy healthcare by force, but who's going to sell it / provide it? Obama assumed the unlimited funds states had would cover it. Or he didn't think. Who knows. Because the by large majority. 7 of 9 justices voted to strike down and ruled unconstitutional the forced expansion of Medicaid by the federal government threatening to withhold matching federal funds for Medicaid if the states did not expand. Who pays for this gargantuan expansion is conveniently ill defined because at most the fed funds only partiall helps, not fully funds the Medicaid liability of even today's enrollment much less the enormous expansion now mandated.

Unfunded mandates are a bizarre federal government intrusion upon states rights in my opinion, but no doubt to you it must be "fair" because everyone has to "do their share".

Also by magic of course will be the continued pipeline of medical practitioners who will cheerfully accept a zero win game to provide health services for the estimated 32 million growth in enrollment with socialist price controls on reimbursement that will eventually push most doctors out of serving state and federal funded patients. At leat those that can do basic math and I'd safely suggest the vast majority can.

That will also dry up as an option when private health insurers can no longer operate with basic math principles they do today. Take in more premiums that they pay out. Since Obamacare now forces all prior conditions covered, and is making the fed a vast single payer system, eventually the private insurers will go bankrupt. As designed, and cheered on by the ignorant.

Then what? Three words. Health care rationing.

You will be a number. Your net positive future "contribution" will be a number. Grandma WILL be allowed to die because health care must be rationed against both the continually shrinking services supply (eg doctors and high-q nurses) and the funding available.

The conservatives like to make people think that the world is coming to an end with this Affordable Care Act. That America will fall into a vast 'socialist' pit and we'll never survive as a country. Well, they said that about social security, medicare, medicaid and all other social programs for the people. I'd like to point out that people do have a choice: you can move to another country I. E. Argentina (oh they have a socialized medical plan already) or Mexico etc. In fact ALL countries in the western world and developing world have socialized health plans that cover all their people. Those states who deny medicaid to their people will be under huge pressure from the electorate to give medical coverage to its people. After all there will be elections about that.

[QUOTE=Jackson; 425973]This election is [u]NOT[/u] About the Massachusetts health care law, which BTW was passed into law by the Massachusetts legislature with 99% of house reps and 100% of the state senators supporting the bill.

Gentlemen, please do not let the Liberals divert your attention from what's really important:

- 8. 3% unemployment.

- $3. 80 per gallon gas.

- $1, 000, 000, 000, 000 annual budget deficits.

- $16, 000, 000, 000, 000 national debt.

- $51, 074. 84 of national debt owed by each citizen.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]The budget deficit was $438 Billion in FY 2008. Who was the president in FY 2008, which by the way, almost entirely took place BEFORE the economic crash.