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Joe the plumber is saying things that most of us would be afraid to say such as progressive taxation is not fair.

Joe won't say who he is going to vote for but I doubt there are many people as astute as Joe

[QUOTE=El Alamo]Joe the plumber is saying things that most of us would be afraid to say such as progressive taxation is not fair.

Joe won't say who he is going to vote for but I doubt there are many people as astute as Joe[/QUOTE]As reported today, Joe "the plumber" is not a licensed plumber, owes back taxes and says he "feels like Britney Spears". Joe the non plumber is an attention seeking non entity.

[QUOTE=Doggboy]As reported today, Joe "the plumber" is not a licensed plumber, owes back taxes and says he "feels like Britney Spears". Joe the non plumber is an attention seeking non entity.[/QUOTE]I could be dead wrong but I would bet the ranch that Obama and his henchman are trying to destroy Joe's credibility solely because Joe hasn't bought into the philosophy of "THE ONE"

I have owed back taxes and I doubt that Joe is working as an unlicensed plumber - at least I hope not.

[QUOTE=El Alamo]I could be dead wrong but I would bet the ranch the Obama and his henchman are trying to destroy Joe's credibility solely because Joe hasn't bought into the philosophy of "THE ONE"

I have owed back taxes and I doubt that Joe is working as an unlicensed plumber.

THE[/QUOTE]EA-you can check the facts. He is not a licensed plumber and according to records has not even done an apprenticeship. How do you destroy the credibility of someone who has no credibility?

Cheers

My apologies. I think we should "tar and feather" Joe the Plumber.

P. S. I hope you know this is all a joke. I don't think it makes much difference who our next President is. We will survive.

[QUOTE=Jackson]There's some more of that famous liberal name-calling.

Can't you guys make a point without personally denigrating people?

Apparently not.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]Obamanation.

I noticed you didn't call this "famous conservative name calling." I started calling the Distinguished Gentleman from Arizona McOldGuy in response to Sids continual denigration (without comment in blue ink I might add) of Obama. I must admit though my friends, Stowe (that disgusting motherfucker) is right, McAngryOldGuy is much better.

I empasize with Joe the Plumber. He is trying to start his own business. He doen't have a lot of resources. Making money is a dream not a reality. The likliehood of success is remote.

Then some son of ***** like Obama, who has never even run a popsicle stand in his life, comes along and tells Joe that he is required to pay health insurance for his employees. Health benefits that Joe and Joe's family do not enjoy.

At the end of the day Joe can't afford to have employees and his employees not only don't have health insurance, they don't have a job.

This election is now a forgone conclusion. So maybe we can move on to the proverbial "morning after". Without question Barack and Joe will be the next Executive Branch heads.

With that in mind, can we discuss the possible social ramifications and civil unrest that might occur if on the morning of November 5th the Democrats are not successful. How could this occur:

- There may be enough closet racists around that are willing to answer the poll questions for Obama, but on ballot day just will not be able to pull the lever "correctly"

- The pollsters have eligible, registered, and "likely" voters. I can envision the poll takers today not even interviewing black voters, but simply checking the box for Obama - as he truly has 99.999% of the black vote in the bag. However, Minority and youth voters have a tendency to not actually turn up at the polls due to events like bad weather, lack of transportation, etc.

- The ACORN type of voter drive fraud can be a double edged sword. The very small "sample space" of the pollsters may not generate the accurate predictions of the past - given that many of the "registered" voters do NOT exist. Statistics is not my specialty, however seems that when they interview 500 Democrats those results are applied across the "registered" Democrat voter base.

Back to the real question:

Will there be burning neighborhoods and carnage in the streets on Nov. 5th if McOldAngry-WeakDicked Guy and the Hockey-Playing Pig with the lipstick are headed to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?

Alan.

I think you are correct. If Obama cannot win this election with the economy trashed he cannot win any election.

Tomorrow you will read the latest Gallup poll Obama 49% McCain 47%

I agree this election should be in the bag for Obama.

However, the stock market is not going to fall much further. From here to the election the market will be more or less stable.

I personally am not sure who is the best candiate. I am not sure it is that important. We can live with either candidate.

I don't think Obama is a very appealing candidate. Hillary kicked his ass is almost every face to face contest I. E. Texas, Ohio, Pennsy lvania and probably New York and California but I am not sure about California.

This election should be in the bag for Obama but Obama is his own worst enemy I. E. He is not that appealing except for those who, for reasons unknown, consider him to be "THE ONE".

I don't think he is "The One" I just like that he answers questions in specific and not "I know how to fix the economy." "I know how to get Bin Laden." "I know how to relieve our dependence on foreign oil."

I admit to the fact that I've been a Dem all my life so I'm predisposed to liking him. I said a lot if it came to Hillary v McAngryOldGuy I would have voted for the plane crasher. However I think his campaign would have lost me even against Hillary. If the campaign didn't do it the beauty queen would have.

Don't know what will happen if McAngryOldGuy wins but I imagine the country will survive with either. He isn't shrub, anything will be an improvement.

[QUOTE=Doggboy]EA-you can check the facts. He is not a licensed plumber and according to records has not even done an apprenticeship. How do you destroy the credibility of someone who has no credibility?

Cheers[/QUOTE]Hi Guys,

First, As someone who actually knows something about contractor licensing, it's typical that only the owner of a general contracting or trade contracting company needs to hold a license. As I recall the details, Joe is currently an employee of the plumbing company that he wants to buy. Thus it's quite feasible that Joe does not currently hold a license, but that he does possess the necessary experience to qualify for licensure, and that he expects to stand for and pass the licensing exam at a later date.

Second, it's also a common practice for sellers of construction companies to stay on as the official license holder for a period of time after the actual sale, if for no other reason that the ensure that the projects in which they have pulled permits under their license number are correctly completed.

Third, in these modern times the concept of apprenticeships is pretty much passe.

Finally, does anyone actually know if the state in which Joe lives even requires licensing? 23 states in this country have no contractor licensing requirements.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson]There's some more of that famous liberal name-calling.

Can't you guys make a point without personally denigrating people?

Apparently not.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]NOPE!

Not in the case of McAngryOldGuy who initially promised to run a respectful campaign because he was 'honorable', then suddenly became a hypocrite and became nasty.

[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]Obamanation.

I noticed you didn't call this "famous conservative name calling." I started calling the Distinguished Gentleman from Arizona McOldGuy in response to Sids continual denigration (without comment in blue ink I might add) of Obama. I must admit though my friends, Stowe (that disgusting motherfucker) is right, McAngryOldGuy is much better.[/QUOTE]Touche, although I personally prefer not to use derisive titles in either direction. Still, I'm also guilty in having referred to Obama as "The Messiah".

BTW, the blue ink is reserved solely for addressing issues related to forum administration.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]Obamanation.

I noticed you didn't call this "famous conservative name calling." I started calling the Distinguished Gentleman from Arizona McOldGuy in response to Sids continual denigration (without comment in blue ink I might add) of Obama. I must admit though my friends, Stowe (that disgusting motherfucker) is right, McAngryOldGuy is much better.[/QUOTE]DR, you sick fuck! You are so right about Jackson.

Jackson,

I guess it is ok to do name calling when it is attacking a politician you do not support but ok for someone you do support.


Suerte.

Stowe

[QUOTE=El Alamo]Then some son of ***** like Obama, who has never even run a popsicle stand in his life, comes along and tells Joe that he is required to pay health insurance for his employees. Health benefits that Joe and Joe's family do not enjoy.

At the end of the day Joe can't afford to have employees and his employees not only don't have health insurance, they don't have a job.[/QUOTE]I have it on good authority that Obama (the winner) DID run a popsicle stand-and a lemonaid stand as well.

How the do you know every single experience he, or McCain, or anyone else, has had in there lives? No objectivity with you.

Suerte.

Stowe