American Politics during the Bush Presidency

[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]I don't think he is "The One" I just like that he answers questions in specific and not "I know how to fix the economy." "I know how to get Bin Laden." "I know how to relieve our dependence on foreign oil."

I admit to the fact that I've been a Dem all my life so I'm predisposed to liking him. I said a lot if it came to Hillary v McAngryOldGuy I would have voted for the plane crasher. However I think his campaign would have lost me even against Hillary. If the campaign didn't do it the beauty queen would have.

Don't know what will happen if McAngryOldGuy wins but I imagine the country will survive with either. He isn't shrub, anything will be an improvement.[/QUOTE]No president has the power to make serious changes to our society (other than make war) Because of the special interest groups Congress and any and all presidents are too afraid to address real changes. Like addressing the debt, Social Security, Medicare, the energy crisis, climate change.

Suerte.

Stowe

[QUOTE=Jackson]Touche, although I personally prefer not to use derisive titles in either direction. Still, I'm also guilty in having referred to Obama as "The Messiah".

BTW, the blue ink is reserved solely for addressing issues related to forum administration.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]Never noticed that before. Jax this is your ball and bat brother do as you wish. As one of the few moderates on this board though I would have been remiss in ignoring it.

Neither " joe " nor the owner of the business have a contracting or plumbing license. The state does not require them to have one, But the counties in which they work do. " Joe " also lied about being a union member. When reporters contacted the union which " joe " said he was a member of, they said they never heard of him.

When asked about it further, joe basically said it was a dream of his. The more I hear about the whole exchange the more ridiculous and contrived it sounds.

It's like me saying to Obama " You know, I am not currently a billionaire nor do I have the prospects to be one any time soon but I am planning on being a billionaire one day, does that mean I will get taxed more? ".

Are you kidding me?

Regards,

BM

It is not clear whether Joe the Plumber, if and when he owns his own business, would do better under Obama's tax plan or under McCain's tax plan. In all liklihood it probably won't make much difference to Joe.

What is unsettling is the tendancy of Obama's campaign to engage in character assassination of anyone, like Joe the Plumber, who is not buying the idea that Obama is "THE ONE"

[QUOTE=El Alamo]What is unsettling is the tendancy of Mccain's campaign to engage in character assassination of Obama, who is not buying the idea that Mccain is "THE ONE"[/QUOTE]Co-Sign.

Regards,

BM

[QUOTE=BadMan]Neither " joe " nor the owner of the business have a contracting or plumbing license. The state does not require them to have one, But the counties in which they work do. " Joe " also lied about being a union member. When reporters contacted the union which " joe " said he was a member of, they said they never heard of him.

When asked about it further, joe basically said it was a dream of his. The more I hear about the whole exchange the more ridiculous and contrived it sounds.

It's like me saying to Obama " You know, I am not currently a billionaire nor do I have the prospects to be one any time soon but I am planning on being a billionaire one day, does that mean I will get taxed more? ".

Are you kidding me?

Regards,

BM.[/QUOTE]Exactly. A wannabe and nothing more. In his short time in the media glare he has referenced Britney Spears, Matt Damon and Sammy Davis Jr. Celebrity status seems to be more on his mind than anything else. Another "man in the street" joke brought to us by the desperate McCain camp. Pretty funny really.

To me Joe the plumber is irrelevant, Joe ’s not running for president and we are seeing an attempt to kill the messenger. Even if what Joe said was put to Obama as a hypothetical, (which it kind of was) what ’s important is how Obama replied;

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it ’s good for everybody,".

Barack [strike] Hussein [/strike] Steve Obama

As I have posted before, I think we should "tar and feather" Joe the Plumber.

The nerve of Joe to question the tax plan of "THE ONE"

[QUOTE=Stowe]No president has the power to make serious changes to our society (other than make war) Because of the special interest groups Congress and any and all presidents are too afraid to address real changes. Like addressing the debt, Social Security, Medicare, the energy crisis, climate change.

Suerte.

Stowe[/QUOTE]I agree, and so for me the decision boils down to this issue:

Who is best qualified to be the Commander in Chief?

John McCain: Annapolis graduate, Naval officer, aviator, former POW, 30 years of foreign policy experience.

Barak Obama: None of the above.

Thanks,

Jackson

BTW, if you don't think it takes some stones to land a jet on the deck of an aircraft carrier, then you should talk to somebody who has done it. That group would not include a certain college professor.

Irish betting company settles bets on Obama early:

[url]http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24511776-29677,00.html[/url]

Nice news for Obama supporters, but if I was a betting man I would wager that the owner of Paddy Power is a fan of Obama. Good on ya though!

The undecided voters have been identified. They are the ones waiting for McCain to get younger or Obama to get whiter.

[QUOTE=Doggboy]Irish betting company settles bets on Obama early:

[url]http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24511776-29677,00.html[/url]

Nice news for Obama supporters, but if I was a betting man I would wager that the owner of Paddy Power is a fan of Obama. Good on ya though![/QUOTE]You guys holding one of those Obama tickets had better cash it, quick. It seems that without a daily bloodbath on Wall Street, The Messiah's lead is destined to drain away. Down from 10% to 2% in the most recent AP poll. People are getting the message that he intends to "take our wealth and spread it around" to people who don't work and don't intend to.

Ronald Reagan was behind at this point in 1980. President Obama is spending a lot of time measuring the Oval Office for draperies. I think he'll rue the day he made the mistake of exposing his Marxist soul to a plumber from Ohio.

[QUOTE=Hunt99]You guys holding one of those Obama tickets had better cash it, quick. It seems that without a daily bloodbath on Wall Street, The Messiah's lead is destined to drain away. Down from 10% to 2% in the most recent AP poll. People are getting the message that he intends to "take our wealth and spread it around" to people who don't work and don't intend to.

Ronald Reagan was behind at this point in 1980. President Obama is spending a lot of time measuring the Oval Office for draperies. I think he'll rue the day he made the mistake of exposing his Marxist soul to a plumber from Ohio.[/QUOTE]Hunt-are you factoring in a positive spin on margin of error, or something? The news on the AP poll I saw today indicated a 57% to 52% margin for Obama.

[url]http://www.whnt.com/Global/story.asp?S=9193983&nav=menu108_7[/url]

No sense in a futile debate about poll numbers, but you don't strike me as a disseminator of bogus info.

Cheers

It is difficult to intrepret polling data. In 2004 Kerry was President for a few hours based on exit polls. We still don't know why those exit polls were so inaccurate.

I have said forever that 2008 should be Obama's election. That is just a feeling. It is not based on polls. The polls are meaningless.

[QUOTE=Stowe]No president has the power to make serious changes to our society (other than make war) Because of the special interest groups Congress and any and all presidents are too afraid to address real changes. Like addressing the debt, Social Security, Medicare, the energy crisis, climate change.

Suerte.

Stowe[/QUOTE]Will that hold true if the Democrats get a filibuster proof majority in Congress?

It was just such a majority that allowed Lyndon Johnson to pass his Great Society.

What would an Obama, Read, Pelosi team give us? Something similar to the Three Stooges I suspect.

But hey I survived Jimmy Carters first term and I can survive The Second Coming of J. C.... IF it happens.