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Punter,
I used think that it didn't matter much who we elected President in 2008. However, I remember Jimmy Carter. I think Billy Carter, Jimmy Carter's brother and famous for Billy Beer, would have been a better President than Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter had and has the backbone of a jellyfish.
If you think Obama might be the second coming of Jimmy Carter I am scared to death. This has the makings of a nightmare.
[QUOTE=El Alamo]It is difficult to intrepret polling data. In 2004 Kerry was President for a few hours based on exit polls. We still don't know why those exit polls were so inaccurate.
I have said forever that 2008 should be Obama's election. That is just a feeling. It is not based on polls. The polls are meaningless.[/QUOTE]Diebold electronic voting.
""A new computer chip was flown to Snyder [Texas] from Dallas," County Clerk Lindsey told the Associated Press. With the new chip installed, the computer then verified that the Democrat had won the election. In another Texas anomaly, Republican state Senator Jeff Wentworth won his race with exactly 18,181 votes, Republican Carter Casteel won her state House seat with exactly 18,181 votes, and conservative Judge Danny Scheel won his seat with exactly 18,181 votes – all in Comal County. Apparently, however, no poll workers in Comal County thought to ask for a new chip."
Three separate races in the same county and all three got EXACTLY the same number of votes. I guess it could happen naturally.
The exit polls that put Kerry in the lead, think it has to do with the time difference in the big country in the west. Kerry easily took all Eastern states, and especially the Northeastern (NY, N Jersey, Mass) The exit polls are not that sophisticated and cannot adjust for this. Even though California was a sure winner for him, the early exit polls failed to pick up the big following of Bush in Mid and South. Relied on early inputs in the East.
I will say it again.
It is unsettling that Obama and his henchmen will resort to character assasination for anyone, like Joe the Plumber, who does not buy into the concept the Obama is "THE ONE"
Is this a signof what we can expect with an Obama Presidency?
Let me preface this with I am not sure who I will vote for this year. I have a lot of respect for McCain and I think Obama has a lot of potential.
In 1976 we elected that worthless son of a ***** Carter to the Presidency. Carter had about the same expierience as Palin.
The difference is that Carter was and is an idiot, while Palin is a sharp cookie. I will take Palin over that fucking idiot Carter any day of the week.
What I am trying to say is that I have no fears of a Palin Presidency. By definition it would be one thousand times betters than a fucking Jimmy Carter Presidency
[QUOTE=El Alamo]I will say it again.
It is unsettling that Obama and his henchmen will resort to character assasination for anyone, like Joe the Plumber, who does not buy into the concept the Obama is "THE ONE"
Is this a signof what we can expect with an Obama Presidency?[/QUOTE]To El Alamo, try to take it to a higher level. Obama has 20 % support from Europe. We all wanted Hilary, and now again these stupid Ohios and what you have below that state messes it up.
The World now needs the Clintons.
[QUOTE=El Alamo]Punter.
I used think that it didn't matter much who we elected President in 2008. However, I remember Jimmy Carter. I think Billy Carter, Jimmy Carter's brother and famous for Billy Beer, would have been a better President than Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter had and has the backbone of a jellyfish.
If you think Obama might be the second coming of Jimmy Carter I am scared to death. This has the makings of a nightmare.[/QUOTE]Hi El Alamo,
Think about it, the cry will be we ’ve got a mandate from the people.
Now the same folks that told us the war is bankrupting the country, just teamed up with that turn coat Bush and wrote a check for 700 billion plus to bail out Wall Street and the Bankers, and they didn ’t even bat an eye. They did it like we had the money and with the blessing of both candidates!
Who’s investigating and who’s going to jail? Why not?
At the same time imho they said Fuck Main Street; who ’s going to bail me out on the money I lost in the value of my home? (I had already moved my 401k money out of the Stock Market to safe havens.)
Oh but I forgot we ’re going to get that 700 billion back; really, how and in who ’s life time?
Have you heard Obama tell you what he ’s going to cut to pay for all this, all he ’ll say is we ’re going to look at everything. At least McCain called for a freeze, it ’s not much but it ’s something.
I remember double digit inflation and double digit prime interest rate, under Jimmy Carter. When we put Carter in office I was trying to support a family and raise two kids. I was also a blue collar worker, a union officer, and a Yellow Dog Democrat, and like so many of the young guys today I truly thought we could “change ” the world. Jimmy Carter gave the word change a new meaning, I lived his nightmare and it looks like Déjà vu all over again to me.
People were mad and voting against Nixon and Carter was promising “change ”. Today they are mad voting against Bush and Obama is promising “change ”.
Armed with a “mandate from the people ” and a “Filibuster Proof Congress ” the Three Stooges will put every social giveaway program they can think of into law, it ’s just the nature of the beast, and what ’s to stop them?
Now how will they pay for it? Crank up the printing presses and increase taxes. Ring any bells?
Unfortunately I see this as the best case scenario if Obama is elected, the worst case would be if we have another 911 type of attack. (I ’m talking economics here)
You, Sid, and Exon are the big money guys and I respect the financial savvy of all three, so tell me how I ’m wrong.
Punter,
I understand what you are saying.
It's frightening.
This might be the future but the country we knew and loved (the United States) may be history
[QUOTE=El Alamo]I will say it again.
It is unsettling that Mccain and his henchmen will resort to character assasination for anyone, like Joe Biden and Barack Obama, who does not buy into the concept the Mccain is "THE ONE"[/QUOTE]Triple co-sign.
Regards,
BM.
[QUOTE=El Alamo]Let me preface this with I am not sure who I will vote for this year. [/QUOTE]* cough * bullshit * cough *
Punter and his ilk-
I seem to remember that back on January 20, 2001 (the day Bush took office) that 1 US Dollar was worth more than 1 Euro. I also remember that there was a massive projected federal budget SURPLUS. In addition, oil was less than $30 USD per barrel and gas floated around $1 USD per gallon. So just WHAT the fuck happened?
Well, for starters a complete idiot who happened to be born to an aristocratic family with deep military / industrial / oil complex connections ascended to the presidency after stealing an election in which he was not elected by the majority of US citizens. This complete idiot pissed away the massive federal budget surplus by giving massive tax cuts to rich guys who did not need it and by starting a quagmire-by-design war to enrich those military / industrial / oil complex connections previously mentioned. This quagmire-by-design war served to double the national debt in only 5 years time, and helped to drive the price of oil up fourfold. How are these war materials payed for? BY TURNING ON THE PRINTING PRESSES, AND THUS DEVALUING THE CURRENCY. The very act of turning on the printing presses and thus devaluing the currency causes the price of oil to rise, as oil is denominated in USD. Take a guess who has benefited from this?
Those of you who think that the Republicans are the party of "fiscal responsibility" should open your fucking eyes and see what a Republican President who had Republican majorities the first six years has done to a country that was in a dominant financial position the day he entered office. You people live in dreamland if you think the US can continue along its current path of deficit spending without raising taxes on those with the ability to pay. The current administration should be put on trial for crimes against the American people and for conspiracy to destroy the economy of a nation.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
[QUOTE=Doggboy]Hunt-are you factoring in a positive spin on margin of error, or something? The news on the AP poll I saw today indicated a 57% to 52% margin for Obama.
[url]http://www.whnt.com/Global/story.asp?S=9193983&nav=menu108_7[/url]
No sense in a futile debate about poll numbers, but you don't strike me as a disseminator of bogus info.
Cheers[/QUOTE]Here's the AP poll from today showing The Messiah at +2:
[url]http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/nws/elections/ap_election_wave8_topline_101308.pdf[/url]
The Gallup poll has The Messiah at +2, using their traditional methodology. The "new" methodology that "assumes" millions of new voters for Obama shows him at +6 or something like that.
Here's another tracking poll that using consistent methodology shows The Messiah's lead shrinking from +13 to +4 today.
[url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/RCP_PDF/BG_101708_2-way-ballot-trender.pdf[/url]
Plenty of time left in this ball game, but the trend is in McCain's favor. Anything can happen. I expect the usual Democratic October Surprise, probably McCain's love child, some bribery allegation, or the usual bullshit, following Weinberger's indictment in 1992, the Bush DUI in 2000, and the "missing" al-Qaqa explosives from 2004. (Did the pull one of these stunts in 1996? I think not, since Clinton was comfortably ahead of Bob Dole.)
I suspect that a big part of the con right now is the Democrats and their lackies in the press trying to convince people that "it's over" in order to depress Republican turnout and make the election a self-fulfilling prophecy.