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After many years of market making on every exchange in the US I must respond to this supply demand issue of the money paid to the chicas.
First, markets are comprised of depth and liquidity.
BA is a major major city and not the Blue Marlin. I dont care how many WSG guys come down here because there are just so many chicas you cant even make a dent in them. Also the ranks of the unemployed are immense.
There will always be a substantial amount of transactions above and below the mean but most commerce will meet and deal in size at about the same price. It appears to me that maybe 10
percent of the biz is done buy the likes of playwomen and blacks and then you have the other 90 percent solidly dealing at 125 pesos in such immense depth and liquidity that the prices are not going anywhere.
The only way I can see the prices rising will be if all prices go up for everything like housing food etc...hyperinflation of all good and services which is a clear possibility.
There are simply to many sellers of yabba so for now it remains a buyers market...praise the lord.
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yabba,
Great point. There is just to much pussy around for 1,10,100 or 1000 (guys) to screw up at this stage.
What we all need is a stable economy in Argentina that does not turn into another Brazil type crime scene.
The last thing I want to read on this board is
" who got mugged and where in B.A. last night"
starfe
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I had posted the below questions but got no reply. Since I leave the U.S. Monday night if anyone could provide some answers, it would be helpful.
A few questions for the BA experts-
What times do the clubs like Playwoman and Black's open?
Do all taxis know where these places are or can someone provide addresses.
What hotels in Recoleta are within walking distance of the above clubs?
How easy is it to find girls in these clubs that are willing to do BBBJ? (If anyone has a girl they would like to suggest-please feel free to e mail me directly)
Thanks for any info.
asiaman18@hotmail.com
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Asiaman and all other lurkers:
The reason no one is answering your questions is because all these questions have been answered in earlier posts. I provided exact addresses in earlier posts. If guys take the time to provide accurate and important information, the least you can do is take a little time and go back and find the info. We all have busy lives. I know we live in a world of instant gratification but please take the time to go back and do your research.
Good luck.
P.S. Good post Yabba. You are right on target with your post.
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Otto:
I won't take revenge against anybody. I just noticed that girls like to talk a lot, and many cab drivers, corrupt officers and solicitors can conspire to rob a visitor in its last day of visit to the country.
I remember a girl in Catto's who told me that in 1993 she went out several times with a Japanese executive. The guy used to spend money like candy, and the girl made it known in the bar. Police found out about the foreigner and arrested him and the girl on his last night in BA, when living the bar to the hotel. Desperate, the guy offered $1000 to forget offenses and let him take his plane next day. I think that he regreted more the hassle than the money lost.
That said, my advice should be more useful to visitors than to my friends.
I would like to find as many nice chicks here as in Buenos Aires. It's incredible how men adopt to new standards when the metabolism calls for female warmth...
Cheers,
Andres
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I didn't have such a good time in Buenos Aires, I guess I'm use to Costa Rica. I think the girls in Costa Rica are a bit more friendly and go more out of their way to attract a guy. Not to mention it's a much closer flight than Argentina. I went to the house off French street that yabba spoke about and I prefer the wider selection of the clubs and internet better, if you know how to negotiate you can get 4 hours for 300 pesos or 3 hours for 200 pesos. But I'm use to the girls in Costa Rica I think they try to please you more. To me the long flight was not worth it.
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Big Blue Man and others. My upcoming trip will be my first one for hobbying. I have never negotiated anything in my life. I and probably many others would appreciate tips on negotiating with women in general and Argentinean and Brazilian women in particular.
The general Argentina section my be a more appropriate place for such a discussion.
Tia
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As for tonight and tommorrow night I have made dates with my two favorites...both provide a good gfe and great after cuddling...looking forward...even going out to dinner with these chicas...lucky them...Aisa de Cuba restaurant in porto medero tonight...excellent...will be in Thailand from july 5th till Aug 7th. Got a few weeks to rest up. END BA
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Sorry I can't help you in the bargining area. I went down with a friend that spoke spanish fluently, he was able to bargin the girls down to 3 hours for 200 pesos, I don't believe in bargining because then the girl in my opinion will not show you as good a time. I just pay as long as I think it's reasonable. I have visited Buenos Aires twice and Costa Rica about 6 times, I'm just use to the environment in Costa Rica. To me Costa Rica feels more stable and safe, girls are better looking, try to please you more, you have numerous massage parlors to go to during the days, the coast is closer if you want to take a girl with you for the weekend or go fishing, and not to mention it is alot closer to fly to than Argentina.
Costa Rica is the place to go in my opinion guys, sorry if I burst your bubble, but hey I work hard for my money and rather spend it in Costa Rica.
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One other point:
Fair is also a function of options. If a chica quotes a price and I'm used to non-pro's of equal or greater attractiveness, it can be difficult for me to justify paying that price. While talking to this one girl at Playwoman I kept thinking,"If this were NYC, you'd be coming home with me..." Or, if you've been quoted 150-200 the majority of the time and some "stunner" suddenly wants 700!!!($200US), how can you NOT tell her to take a walk? It's so far outside of that "normal curve" that it's a losing proposition. Also, as far as the attitude is concerned, how good can that session really be?
After reading many of the posts, I can clearly see that I was quoted less by some of the same women. I'm relatively young (under 30), so that probably helps. I was never quoted more than $100US. And the only time I paid that was for toda la noche with a cute, blonde from Brazil.
I personally don't understand the concept of overpaying. It's as if some guys are trying to fulfill some other need by paying more. Like they're trying to say," Hey, look at me! I got a hot girl and I paid a premium for her, yeah!!!" And there are others who simply laugh and say,"That's nice, pal. But, two days ago I had the same girl: twice as long, for half the price."
It's an interesting game we play.
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"Overpaying" is a funny subject. I mean, if the difference is between $100 and $150, why haggle? It looks bad, and makes you look classless in the eyes of a trixie. The better a trixie thinks about you, the better service you are going to get, guaranteed. So why spoil it by haggling like an Arab rug merchant, treating her ass like a piece of merchandise, irritating her by trying to drive her price down by fifty bucks? It is foolish. (Of course, come to think of it, her ass is a piece of merchandise, but you all certainly get my point....)
Having gotten some info about the scene in BsAs, I realize there is a whole substratum of punters who will, if the going price is twenty bucks, not be happy unless they can get full service for ten. "Cheap" is what it is, there is no other word for it.
So unless a girl's offer to me this coming week in BsAs is totally outrageous, I will be paying it. Sorry to disappoint you cheapies on the board.
Otto
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Otto,
If you go back and read one of Jackson's comments from about a month ago, it is about respect. They will respect more if you do bargain. I don't have any experience in bargaining, but I have talked to a couple of friends who do it on a regular basis. Who do vendors prefer as a customer? The person who pays asking price. Who do vendors respect as a customer? The person who negotiates.
I am not going to try and nickle and dime the women the death. However, I will not pay over the going rate that is in effect at the time I go to Argentina. I don't expect to get as good of a price as an experienced hobbyer who has been to BA several times. But as long as the woman and I are both reasonable, everything should work out fine.
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There is way to much bickering about what should or should not be paid. The whole idea of the "trip" is to have an outstanding time and not worry about the $'s in your pocket. If 1 night you overpay and the next night you get a great deal, it works out in the end.
Mistakes are made and lessons learned, that's what these adventures are all about. The last thing I am worried about is spending money. My only concern is getting in as much quailty time as possible. I am pretty sure that's everyones goal.
starfe
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"The better a trixie thinks about you, the better service you are going to get, guaranteed."
I couldn't agree with you more. And there tends to be an inverse relationship between how much she thinks of you and the price. A lot of guys fall into the old societal trap of thinking that paying more is the way to get her to think highly of you. PAYING MORE DOES NOT GUARANTEE GREAT SERVICE. Throwing money at a woman will NOT make her think you are God's gift to womankind. After she has her financial needs met by you, she will often go someplace else to have her PERSONAL needs met. I've seen it so many times that I wish there were some way to tattoo it on every guy's forehead.
I made a post a little while back about how the woman views you as either "income" or "playtime". Women compartmentalize like crazy, especially pro's. It's how they get through the day. IF you are skillful, you can exert a great deal of influence over which mental compartment she places you in.
Using money as your "tool" to try to get a woman interested in you is a loser's game. For the record, I make a lot of money. But when it comes to meeting women, I leave the Breitling at home and I never, ever go into detail about what I do for a living. This doesn't mean don't be generous. I'm generous with women the same way I'm generous with other "friends". My generosity NEVER comes with strings attached i.e. give her a gift so she likes you, etc. Otherwise, it's a bribe, not generosity. And, it always comes later after we've established, in ways that I can understand, that we are "friends".
During my time in BsAs I never haggled "like an Arab". I never "beat anyone up on price". Why? To me, the price is a test for interest. If a woman perceives that she's going to have fun with you, it will be reflected in the price. If we spend too much time talking about money, it totally kills the mood for me. If I don't hear the quote I want to hear, I thank them for their time, then move on. It lets me know that I didn't do enough pre-screening for attentiveness, attitude, interest etc. to insure that the session is going to be worth my time let alone my money. I didn't "prime the pump" enough, and now she's too focused on the money and not enough on just having fun with me. If she's not interested (except for the money), then neither am I. NEXT!
(BTW, when I say "quote", I mean her starting point, her initial price right out of the gate. I never heard anything over $100US. And usually that was from women I wasn't overly interest in to begin with.)
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drgn
I agree it is more fun and a girl is more likely to show you a great time if
1. she likes you
2. you don't haggle with her in price
you know what I believe as long as I deem it reasonable I will not haggle a girl down, I'll just pay her, why? I want her to show me a good time and I want to have a good time and feel good about myself.
starfe
I don't know why you don't feel safe in Costa Rica. I go out till 3 to 4 a.m. down there and feel completely safe. On the other hand in Argentina, people have tried to pick my pocket twice. Not good since I've only been there twice. Last time I was in Argentina, I saw police getting ready with riot gear and tear gas to deal with protestors. Needless to say I spent the day in my hotel that day and the day after.
It is all relevant, there are places in every country and every state in the U.S. that is dangerous to walk around in. I stay in the good areas in Costa Rica and never walk the street drunk and I have a blast and feel completely safe. The girls, to me, look better in Costa Rica and when I go to the bars I don't pay a cover fee or have to buy a minimum of drinks like in Blacks or Playwoman in Argentina. In Costa Rica I can go to a bar scope out the chicas and talk to them, see if they like me, see what their price is and make a dicision whether I want to take them or not.
It's a little tough in Argentina due to the fact what you see on the net and what shows up at your hotel is sometimes 2 different things. Happened to me several times, where I just sent the chica home with taxi money. But very fustrating.
I'll stick to Costa Rica, I would like to go to Panama, I hear it's great but a little costly. I also hear Venezuela is good, so my next trip in another 2 months will be either, Panama, Costa Rica, or Venezuela.
