Black

[QUOTE=Moore]I will go back to Black soon to see if theyve upgraded their stock but unfortunately I will almost surely confirm that you Blacks guys are blind, desperate, and will screw anything with 3 holes and a heartbeat. Even though Black is a cheap bargain place for me with the devalued Peso, the nasty girls there don't compensate for their firesale prices. I'm not going to screw some Blacks skank (or 3 for the price of 1) just because shes cheap.[/QUOTE]With all due respect if you think that the girls at Black are terrible I think you might be involved with the wrong hobby. I hardly think that a guy who goes to Black is there because he will screw anything. However, after reading the end of your post I think the problem might be that you are in love with yourself. The sale of your shipping conglomerate to the Onasis family had me laughing pretty hard so thanks.

Many of us here have no shortage of funds (although admittedly I have never owned any conglomerate or transacted with the Onasis family) so no need to brag about money. When you brag about being rich and talk about talking people down 100 pesos in the same post it is a little tough to take it seriously.

JUSTMOI: Nobody could have said it better than you did.

[QUOTE=Moore]

Besides, my building won't allow the riffraff from Black in the door, although they have no problem with chicas from other places. JiffyLube types are not welcome. My 24th floor penthouse is in the most expensive and most prestigious building in Recoleta and happens to be located only about 3 blocks from Black. Its nowhere near as nice as some of my places in Manhattan and Monaco, but I get by. I bought these properties after selling the shipping conglomerate I created to the Onassis family 4 years ago. And I'm only 23.[/QUOTE]So give us some names of girls you seen?

So far you have told us you have money but you did not mention who you saw at Blacks.

[QUOTE=Marak5]I also get fine service out of Blacks, the same as I get anywhere else. In my opinion the "lower you pay better service" mantra is a myth. Not that the more you pay the better the service, but I do not see any correlation between the amount you pay and the service provided whatsoever. Too many other variables. The most important being whether or not you are presentable, friendly and / or funny with the girl, and weigh less than 300lbs and have a full head of hair, and whether or not the girl is psycho. If you do not meet this criteria, do you honestly think a 9 out of 10 on the scale is going to fuck your brains out like she means it for anything under 500 or 600 pesos?

I think I know a reason a lot of guys on wsg have a problem in blacks also. Girls in blacks are also used to guys that dress nice and aren't cheap. So when a typical argentina private monger arrives in Black he thinks that all the girls are snotty because he throwns an offer of 200 pesos out there and is wearing a flannel his wife bought him in 1988. This same monger can take his sorry act to the triangle and get treated like a king for 125 pesos per hour so then he comes back to the forums to rip on Black and says what a piss poor attitude the girls have in Black.

In my opinion this is how the club breakdowns in Recoleta go, and there is 100% correlation between the price and quality. The hottest girls in Black demand more because it's obvious to them and everyone else in the room that they are super hot, I don't know why you guys are denying this. Please note that some quality overlaps, which means perhaps you can pull a girl out of Affaire that is of Madahos quality, but on average, this is how I see it:

Black.

7.5's-9's.

Medahos.

7-8.5

Affaire.

6-7.5

Solid Gold.

6-7.5

Shampoo.

6-7.5

Also I only went to the triangle one time in my life and would never step foot back in there. I also went to exedra and it was crowded.

All Triangle Clubs.

4-6.25

Exedra.

2-6

Perhaps some of you like the chase of finding an outlier on my scale. Personally when I am in town for 1 week I need to just go directly where I know there will be hot girls. I would just stay in Blacks every night if I could afford it but I can't so I have to pull girls from other lesser quality Recoleta clubs.[/QUOTE]For those looking for information, this is a very accurate description of the scene in Burnos Arires Nov. 2005

I just pulled a solid 8 out of Black last night. Took her back to my hotel for $160us and had a great time. I went to about three other clubs, near my hotel and they were substandard, women ugly, and pushing to buy drinks. I did get suckered into buying the girl a drink, but it was worth it. I did have to negotiate a little and also did not get a full hour, just one timew through on the ride.

Although is pains me to say this, I have to agree with Moore's point about pricing and language in Buenos Aires. The currency here is the Peso and the official language is Castellano- in most cases, someone quoting you prices in US Dollars using English is not doing so for your convenience, but as a means to the end goal of making you comfortable during the process of them fleecing you out of your money. A perfect example of this is the most recent post by Sigvarth in which he describes paying $480AR for less than an hour and being satisfied. This monger could have EASILY paid less than half that for a girl of same or better quality and enjoyed her services for much more time if he so desired. A decent monthly salary in Bs. As. Is $900AR- and this girl got paid more than two weeks average salary for less than an hour of work.

--If you were a British guy at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch in Nevada, and the girls quoted you 1000 pounds sterling (for a $1000 USD service) and spoke in a British accent to you, would you happily pay the 1000 pound price just because the girls were hot and they made you feel confortable by speaking your language?

Lego,

All one has to do is read one or two of Moore's post to find out his dry sense of humor is most likely his only redeeming quality if one is into that. Anyone can figure out the real deal by the mere whining people do around here over some guy paying $35 or $70 more for a girl. As if it~s some astronomical sum that will cause him to go without food for a week or something.

Clubs like Blacks are primarily there for tourists, many of whom have the money if they find themselves there. If not, they learn quick they're in the wrong place. I wish Blacks was more expensive to keep out those that can't afford it and bring in the best girls who know they're going to get paid.

As far as those establishment that present prices in US dollars as a 'sucker' price. Well, that may be true for some places but it is certainly painting the picture with a broad brush. I speak fluent spanish with a distinct Cordobese accent and have found no difference in prices between what is quoted me in pesos, with my DNI and in 'çastellano' than in the prices quoted in US dollars. At least not in the places I frequent. Now, there ARE hotels that have an Argentine price and a Tourist price, that is true, but I have not found that to be the case in the higher level establishments. Even a couple of the airlines had the same practices - in fact there was quite a writeup about it two years ago in the Clarin because many felt that the practice alienated tourism. I don't believe AA does it any longer.

I'm happy a lot of others finally spoke up on this. Whether 'mongers' like Moore are in the majority or not, there are obviously 'mongers' of different points of view on what the name implies. If 'mongering' is some cheap ass running from club to club all night trying to find the cheapest piece of meat possible and not giving a damn whether the sheets in the bed they're laying in were ever washed because they are saving $20 pesos, then people like Moore are true 'mongers'. On the other hand, there are obviously a minority of us that consider 'mongering' in a lighter sense - as nothing more than finding upscale places with the best looking girls for the best time for variety and entertainment, with cost taking a lower priority than all the aforementioned.

Unfortunately, for the true 'mongers' we're apparently a threat in their ultimate quest to keep prices low. Boo hoo! There's many more of us 'suckers' that plan on making your lives miserable in the future so you may want to reconsider Blacks. Yes - that's it. Just take it off your list of travel destinations while in BA. Today it's Blacks. Tomorrow maybe we'll turn Shampoo upside down!

Just like everything else in life, if Moore does not get the price he is lookig for he will leave the establishment.

Well the same logic applies for the girls at Blacks. If they don't get the price they want, guess what. No fuckie fuckie for your ass tonight.

In a longer period of time, guys like Moore will stay put at Catto's and Black girls will stay with guys that can afford them.

If the girls at Blacks don't see the big spenders, they will leave to Europe (Spain) or Amsterdam.

So ultimately, it is better to keep the chicks close to home so that everyone can "look" if they can't buy or buy if they can afford.

Once they leave, it's a lost for everyone.

For those that make their salary in peso. It's hard to compete with the 3 to 1 currency ratio.

For those that make in USD. It's booty time. Booty time across the USA.

Booty time. Booty time. Hey hey hey!

I feel like Scarface with money, power, and woman everytime I'm in Buenos Aires. Chicks just come over at 2am automatically. Enjoy it while it last because it's starting to get expensive in Brazil.

Just got back yesterday from my first trip to BA, and spent the majority of my mongering time between Black and Madaho's. Call me a douche bag Norte Americano, but those were the only places I felt comfortable. I am in my early 30's, white male but could pass for Porteno, with high standards as I live in a big city with a lot of hot women. Here's what I found, after having read all the helpful posts from thoughtful veteranos and mongers before me:

1) The chicas at Black ARE better looking than most other clubs.

They are mostly 6's and 7's in my opinion, with probably three to four 8's on a busy night and MAYBE one 9. But good luck prying her away from the well-heeled suited business men. For comparison, I thought the least attractive girls at Black (the 6's) were on par with the best looking girls at Cafe Excedra, but were younger. I only looked at Excedra one night though so I could be wrong.

2) Prices were pretty steep at Black.

I was able to negotiate down to 300AP once for a legit 8 quality newbie 20-yr old for an hour (ended up being more like 90mins) but other than that wasn't able to get any other girls below 450AP, so I passed. Comparatively, 200AP could be had at Madaho's with similar quality of girls.

3) There are NO "fashion model quality" chicas.

If there are, they must be getting humped all night be / c I didn't see any. But, there are girls with insane model-quality bodies. Just make sure to get them close and check out their teeth before you commit. The lack of dental work can be scary.

4) You do have to buy a drink to take a girl out.

A minimum $60AP. But you do NOT have to buy a drink before you discuss prices. She'll try to get you to buy one, but you don't have to.

5) Entry fee ($35AP) is not fixed.

The young guy who works the register is cool, and he can be schmoozed for a discount.

6) Chica prices are not fixed.

If you take a girl out after 3:30AM or so, she doesn't have to come back after, so you have more leeway for negotiation. Just hope you don;t have to wake up for anything the next day!

7) Tourists are not necessarily charged more.

If you can't speak Spanish. Once one girl knows you are American or other tourist it will get around and you'll have a hard time bargaining. So learn how to say some basic stuff. Then get to the price. Or stick to the loner chicas that have no friends!

Overall I liked Madaho's better, the layout can be cramped in Black when it's super full on busy nights (Tue-Wed-Thu) but it's in general a cool, fancy club in a nice part of town.

Recommended.

OK, pulled two chicas out of here in the last week. I've already described one as a solid 8.5. The second, well, she was more to the liking of the newbie, Don Roberto, that I was introducing to the scene. However, after a nice conversation with her he begged off, claiming lack of ability to complete the deed. So, being the kind soul that I am and sitting on the other side of her, decided to give her a pity fuck.

Now, for negotiating terms, many of you guys would have been insulted by her first request of 300 bucks (no discussion of time, the negotiation taking place at 2:15am) I countered by telling her that 300 pesos was my limit. Sold.

Spent a couple of hours back at my place, two shots, but eventually I had to encourage her to leave, as I frankly was more in need of sleep than female companionship.

Now, how do I grade her? My newbie companion's tongue was hanging out, calling her a 9. Probably a little high for my standards. I would say an 8. Tall (175cm), blonde, long legged, maybe 27 years old, slim, A+/ B cup tits. Well worth the money, performance was good. I think I gave her an extra 20 pesos for her taxi.

Also, to comment on Piso Mojado's post just before mine: I never pay a cover charge at Black. I am a frequent enough customer that they don't ask for it. However, if they did, my first drink would be free. Since I always end up ordering a drink anyway, it makes no difference. In contrast to PM, in my opinion, there are fashion model quality chicas at Black. If you ever met a real fashion model in person, you'd know that their photos aren't accurate reflections of reality. Plenty of girls at black (probably at least 6-10 on any given night) are super hot and have the beauty that is implied by the term "fashion model." Probably only one or two are tall enough to [b]genuinely[/b] be a fashion model, but I don't think it's height that we're concerned with here, are we?

[QUOTE=Justmoi]If 'mongering' is some cheap ass running from club to club all night trying to find the cheapest piece of meat possible and not giving a damn whether the sheets in the bed they're laying in were ever washed because they are saving $20 pesos[/QUOTE]Don't sell this short. Doing this is a lot of fun for many guys, including me.

But just as I don't eat lobster or hamburger for every dinner, so too I can see the pleasures of places like Black as well as Nuevo Estilo or Exedra. Just because I feel in the mood for one, it doesn't mean that the other one has no value.

[QUOTE=Hunt99]Now, for negotiating terms, many of you guys would have been insulted by her first request of 300 bucks (no discussion of time, the negotiation taking place at 2:15am) I countered by telling her that 300 pesos was my limit. Sold.[/QUOTE]Now that wasnt so difficult now was it. It sounds like you got a pretty high quality whoare from a relatively upscale place without letting someone assrape you for 300 U.S. Dollars. 900 pesos is more than a months salary for most people in Argentina. That would be like a clueless Japanese visitor paying a US escort US$5,000 for an hour. Hell I've gotten fairly high quality escorts in major US cities for US$300. Which is no big deal as long as your not doing it every night.

[QUOTE=Hunt99]Also, to comment on Piso Mojado's post just before mine: I never pay a cover charge at Black. I am a frequent enough customer that they don't ask for it. However, if they did, my first drink would be free. Since I always end up ordering a drink anyway, it makes no difference. In contrast to PM, in my opinion, there are fashion model quality chicas at Black. If you ever met a real fashion model in person, you'd know that their photos aren't accurate reflections of reality. Plenty of girls at black (probably at least 6-10 on any given night) are super hot and have the beauty that is implied by the term "fashion model." Probably only one or two are tall enough to [b]genuinely[/b] be a fashion model, but I don't think it's height that we're concerned with here, are we?[/QUOTE]Good point, not the real fashion model thing. True they can be less than inspiring without the makeup and retouching, etc. But I just mean the whole "super hot" top shelf girl. I just didn't see any there that were the drop dead gorgeous super hot whole package. Granted I showed up late both times, after 1AM, so I might have missed out on some earlier chicas that got swept away prior.

But in comparison, I spent some time in Spain and dropped in on a place that had legit super hot total package euro fantasy women. But they were going for about $350USD per hour flat rate, paid to the house.

Anyway. Still plenty of good fun to be had here. They just need to ease up on that damn strobe light in the corner. That thing was disorienting as all hell!:)

[QUOTE=Moore]. Hell I've gotten fairly high quality escorts in major US cities for US$300. Which is no big deal as long as your not doing it every night.[/QUOTE]You can't get shit for $300USD in USA.

Try $500 to $700 USD for fairly high quality escorts.

Yes, you can.

But, please don't.

FT

I think there definitely are some girls who are super hot at Black and have the beauty implied by the term "fashion model". I pulled out a girl who could be considered a fashion model. I asked her if she ever consider modelling and the answer was- she was a little short (165 cm) If you do not take height in to consideration she is a genuine fashion model and she is very much aware of that fact. As Hunt 99 pointed out in his post " I don't think it's height that we're concerned with here, are we?".

Victor 01