2012 Elections in the USA

Not to worry WT. Using the logic of Republicans as Romney got blasted last week, if so many people are criticizing you then you must be right.

You are right, Obama didn't apologize. It's a fabricated storyline to sway weak minds that Obama is a weak leader. As you noted, Romney wrote a book called "No Apologies", and he wants to convince people he is the strong guy. That means painting Obama as the weak guy, even if the facts don't match up.

Americans want and respect a leader who is measured and thoughtful in his words and his actions. This past week has provided a clear example of how Obama and Romney perform in this regard.

BTW, check out the opening skit for SNL last night, it will cheer you up....
[url]http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/09/saturday-night-live-skewers-obama-romney-eastwood.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;426377]Esten, That's one of several posts where you said Romney and Republicans are liars. Are you clear minded enough to realize your side is just as bad or worse?[/QUOTE]LMAO! Great way to back up your statement with nothing.

I would never say any political party is truthful all the time. But Republicans blow everybody else out of the water with their brazen dishonesty. The storylines of "Yes We Did Build That" (theme of the RNC) , and "America Shouldn't Apologize" are often repeated by Republicans, but they are based on lies.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;426367]What is really sad is the comment they choose to pounce on was made BEFORE the attacks, but both you and they seem to let this little fact slip past you.[/QUOTE]Let's review what happened. On Monday night, Romney issued this condemnation of Obama: "It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks." The lies here are several: The statement was issued by an embassy staffer, not by Obama; it did not express sympathy with attackers; and it was not a 'response' to the attacks but in fact preceded them.

[QUOTE]The second saddest thing is Clinton and Obama blaming a UTUBE video of causing all this havoc, ignoring 9/11 altogether.[/QUOTE]The video is clearly part of the uprisings. What is less clear is who launched the specific attacks which killed Americans, and what planning was behind it. Nobody has said this was definately not a pre-planned attack; only that such evidence has not been found and it is presently under investigation. I don't think anyone believes that the administration will not do whatever it can to get to the bottom of it.

[QUOTE]You have to ask yourself, what sort of people become so upset with a video which they feel demeans their 'religion' that they have to go kill 'crusaders'? See my earlier post about their 4th century mentality and what they respect.[/QUOTE]That's a one-dimensional view. Not all followers of Islam are extremists who advocate violence. As Obama said, for every angry mob, there are millions who yearn for the freedom, and dignity, and hope that our flag represents. Showing "strength" is not enough; we need patient diplomacy and an approach of working with them, to increase that desire for democracy and freedom. As that segment of the Islamic population becomes larger and stronger, it will crowd out the extremists. But that is a process that takes time.

[QUOTE]'Bring them to justice', now just how is His Highness going to do that in a foreign country? He is not about to launch a hellfire missile attack from a drone or manned military aircraft in Libya or Egypt. The FBI is on the ground, give me a break. A bunch of FBI guys knocking around in a foreign country with no jurisdiction or powers are going to doing to do exactly what?[/QUOTE]I would ask the very same question of Romney, what would he do? If your answer is such attacks on American embassies would never happen in the first place if somehow America was "stronger", that the extremists would be afraid and cower, you are fooling yourself.

[QUOTE=Esten;426396]LMAO! Great way to back up your statement with nothing.[/QUOTE]Romney didn't pay income taxes for the last 10 years (Harry Reid)

Romney would raise taxes on the middle class while cutting taxes on millionaires and billionaires

Obama's policies are responsible for the boom in USA oil and gas drilling

The wealthy don't pay their fair share of taxes; Obama only proposes to go back to Clinton era rates for upper income taxpayers.

Obama and the Democrats can continue federal government spending at high levels with no sacrifice from people who make less than $200,000 a year (make that $1,000,000 per year, if you're Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer).

My plan will cut the deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years (Barrack Obama)

Romney's Medicare plan would immediately cut benefits for more than 30 million seniors (Joe Biden)

Romney killed Joe Soptic's wife.

Bush and Republican Congressmen are wholly responsible for ____________ (fill in the blank with everything that's gone wrong over the last 4 years)

The affordable care bill will not increase the deficit. The health care package will pay for itself.

"Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions" (Barrack Obama)

Republicans are solely responsible for the mortgage/financial crisis. Democratic congressmen and women like Barney Frank, Barrack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Christopher Dodd, who historically have been big beneficiaries of Wall Street, Fannie and Freddie, had nothing to do with it.

Nancy Pelosi was unaware of waterboarding and other methods used to interrogate terrorists.

The list would go on and on. What's disturbing, Obama believes his own bull shit. He's a narcissist. That's what makes him a very convincing liar. And what would keep him on a course of failed policies. I say "would" because a Republican House of Representatives and a deadlocked Senate, that is split government, hopefully will prevent that from happening.

Don't forget "[i]The [ObamaCare] individual mandate is not a tax.[/i]" (Barack Obama, Sep. 20, 2009)

[QUOTE=Jackson;426402]Don't forget "[i]The [ObamaCare] individual mandate is not a tax.[/i]" (Barack Obama, Sep. 20, 2009)[/QUOTE]That's a good one. I forgot about the 4.5 million jobs that he single handedly added to the American economy too.

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/17/romney-fundraiser-videos-leaked/[/url]

Time to Flush.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 426437][url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/17/romney-fundraiser-videos-leaked/[/url]

Time to Flush.[/QUOTE]Sadly WT69, you are a walking example of what Romney and many americans are VERY concerned about. When did america become a welfare state. Your own words betray you dude. Monger On All. Toymann

Watch the Fucking Videos.

It was not my Words. It was your money Master Words, listen and shut the Fuck UP.

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/leaked-videos-show-mitt-romney-unscripted/[/url]

[url]http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/secret-romney-fundraiser-video-percent-backing-obama-135786.html?hp=t2_3[/url]

[url]http://updatednews.ca/2012/09/17/mitt-romney-secret-video-reveals-views-on-obama-voters/[/url]

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/09/romney-secret-video-marc-leder-sex-parties

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/17/major-romney-fundraiser-hosted-event-leaked-by-mother-jones/

Are you that fucking Dumb?

He paid 13% taxes.

I paid 38.

[QUOTE=Toymann;426441]Sadly WT69, you are a walking example of what Romney and many americans are VERY concerned about. When did america become a welfare state. Your own words betray you dude. Monger On All. Toymann[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 426445]Watch the Fucking Videos.

It was not my Words. It was your money Master Words, listen and shut the Fuck UP.

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/leaked-videos-show-mitt-romney-unscripted/[/url]

[url]http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/secret-romney-fundraiser-video-percent-backing-obama-135786.html?hp=t2_3[/url]

[url]http://updatednews.ca/2012/09/17/mitt-romney-secret-video-reveals-views-on-obama-voters/[/url]

Are you that fucking Dumb?

He paid 13% taxes.

I paid 38.[/QUOTE]An excerpt from your link.

"Leaked video of Republican nominee Mitt Romney at closed-door fundraisers show him saying that 'no matter what' he does. 47 percent of the population is going to vote for Obama because they are 'are dependent upon government. ' Tonight in California, Romney did not back down from what he had said."

YOU HAVE NO IDEA DUMBO HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE USA AGREE WITH HIM!

Keep howling at the moon. Like anybody believes you ever paid 38% federal tax in your life union boy. Give me a break! Toymann

I added a few more.

Did you get invited to the Sex Party?

So, Do you want to see my Birth Certificate?
I will get back to you on the correct tax rate tomorrow, but it is more than Romney paid, just on my retirement and Social Security.
When I was working it was too much more.


[QUOTE=Toymann; 426446]An excerpt from your link.

"Leaked video of Republican nominee Mitt Romney at closed-door fundraisers show him saying that 'no matter what' he does. 47 percent of the population is going to vote for Obama because they are 'are dependent upon government. ' Tonight in California, Romney did not back down from what he had said."

YOU HAVE NO IDEA DUMBO HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE USA AGREE WITH HIM!

Keep howling at the moon. Like anybody believes you ever paid 38% federal tax in your life union boy. Give me a break! Toymann[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;426398]Democrats' Lies[/QUOTE]Thanks Tiny. I was curious what 'Democrat Lies' you would come up with. However, I never expected such a weak list ! Remember, a lie is a statement that is false or based on something false. I'll tackle a few for now. Are Democrats 100% honest all the time? Nope. But this list totally falls short of competing with the stream of lies & deception from the right.

- Harry Reid said that a source he believed to be credible (a former Bain investor) told him about Romney's taxes. And Reid stated he himself didn't know if it was true. You can argue whether it was appropriate for Reid to repeat it, but it wasn't a lie.

- I'll give a "half false" on Romney raising taxes on the middle class. Romney didn't say this, but it does have a basis. Romney is trying to get away with being vague on his policies. So the Obama team requested a non-partisan assessment of what's known about Romney's proposals. The study concluded it wouldn't be possible for Romney to meet all of his stated goals without shifting some of the tax burden from people who make more than $200,000 to people who make less.

- CBO and CBPP analyses confirm Obama's plan will cut the deficit by 3.8 - 4 trillion over 10 years. There are some assessments that put the number lower. Call it a disagreement, but it isn't a lie.

- Likewise the CBO estimates PPACA will not add to the deficit. PPACA repeal would increase the deficit.

- Romney's Medicare plan involves repealing PPACA, which means cutting benefits in PPACA for seniors such as free annual preventive care and increased prescription drug coverage.

- I'll give a "half-false" on Romney killed Joe Soptic's wife. The Obama PAC TV ad never said that. However it implied a connection, which is very tenuous.

- The PPACA mandate was always described as a penalty or a tax penalty. It's not a tax like an income or sales tax. The Romney campaign agrees with this description. The Supreme Court ruling on the constitutionality of the mandate under the taxation clause doesn't mean the original description was a lie.

[QUOTE=Toymann;426446]YOU HAVE NO IDEA DUMBO HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE USA AGREE WITH HIM![/QUOTE]As you would probably surmise, I'm firmly on your side on this. I've worked my ass off most of my life. I was thrifty, didn't buy things I didn't need, and saved and invested wisely. And what did I get for that? Huge tax bills. I've paid the federal government much more in income taxes than I've spent on myself. During much of my life I saw people sitting on their asses, living off the government dole who had houses and cars and lifestyles better than mine. I agree with Romney.

But WT69 is right, this is one more nail in the coffin. As Jackson has said, more lucidly than I can, if half the country isn't paying income tax, why wouldn't they want to stick it to the productive members of society? The USA is headed in the same direction as Greece.

You might have been foolish to have become a United States citizen. I've got my citizenship in Dominca, and I'm just about ready to jump ship. That undoubtedly makes me the worst kind of traitor in the eyes of WT69, but I'm tired of getting fucked by the federal government.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 426449]As you would probably surmise, I'm firmly on your side on this. I've worked my ass off most of my life. I was thrifty, didn't buy things I didn't need, and saved and invested wisely. And what did I get for that? Huge tax bills. I've paid the federal government much more in income taxes than I've spent on myself. During much of my life I saw people sitting on their asses, living off the government dole who had houses and cars and lifestyles better than mine. I agree with Romney.

But WT69 is right, this is one more nail in the coffin. As Jackson has said, more lucidly than I can, if half the country isn't paying income tax, why wouldn't they want to stick it to the productive members of society? The USA is headed in the same direction as Greece.

You might have been foolish to have become a United States citizen. I've got my citizenship in Dominca, and I'm just about ready to jump ship. That undoubtedly makes me the worst kind of traitor in the eyes of WT69, but I'm tired of getting fucked by the federal government.[/QUOTE]It's not 47% dude. As Romney has said, it's an off the cuff remark at a fund raiser. Do we need to make comment on Obama's off the cuff statements over the years. It's also referenced in WT69's lame article. If Obomanation did get in I don't blame ya a bit for jumping ship. Fear not, and have faith in the american voter. We are not Argentina yet in spite of Esten and Wt69's wet dreams to the contrary. It's getting close but I actually estimate it's only 35-40% that really sucks the government titty and the voter turnout in this group will not be impressive. Keep the faith baby! Toymann out!

[QUOTE=Esten;426448]Remember, a lie is a statement that is false or based on something false.[/QUOTE]Your explanation is a lot like "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Your definition of "cut" has a lot in common with Clinton's definition of "sexual relations." Not to take anything away from Clinton. He was a 10 times better president than Obama. I'm not a lawyer or a politician. When someone intentionally tries to mislead people, I consider it just as bad as an outright lie.