American Politics during the Bush Presidency

[QUOTE=Tiny12]No, YOU missed the point. I guess Cuba has one of the highest standards of living anywhere, as in terms of life expectancy, education and literacy it stacks up better than about 90% of the rest of the world. Scandinavian countries have a higher "standard of living" by your definition because they've done something right in education and health care, even though we throw more money at those problems than they do. Attributing the difference to taxes makes absolutely no sense.

Sorry Stowe, I know we're about to be out in the wilderness after this election, and I'm taking it all out on you. That's a lot safer than taking it out on somebody you know in real life that can beat the shit out of you.[/QUOTE]Sorry but I have to clarify once more-and finally.

You continue to state it is MY definition. Is it that difficult to understand these are NOT my numbers, my points-of-view, but that of the governments of the world-how they all calculate standards-of-living? Cuba ranks 51st based on the HDI. Not sure how else I can explain that these are NOT my definitions so, since you seem to be incapable of grasping that and continue to, I will cease to respond to or add to your confusion.

Perhaps your read somewhere in my prior post that I was making up the numbers or taking credit for them?

Suerte.

Stowe

[Quote] "Remember I said it standing here. We ’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. "

Mr Biden cited Russia and the Middle East as possible places that may cause problems, as well as the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan – "crawling with al-Qaeda " – as being of concern.

"He ’s gonna need help, " the senator added, "Because it ’s not gonna be apparent, initially, that we ’re right. "

He added: "I probably shouldn ’t have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here. " [/quote]Unfortunately that fear mongering Biden is probably right for once!

[QUOTE=Stowe]Are you claiming to know what Al Qaeda thinks? How in the shit do you know what Al Qaeda is / was thinking? You just make things up to justify your position. Or provide the documentation from a non-Fox medium that supports your claim that Al Qaeda stated that Afghanistan wasn't a sufficiently large enough prize.

If there were enough Americans there it would have been sufficient reason for them but we decided to invade Iraq instead of fighting those in Afghanistan that really attacked us.

Living on a fantasy planet must be nice. Wish I could be there but I must live in reality.

Suerte.

Stowe[/QUOTE]Ahh! Stowe, I see you have not been fully briefed on the Wizard of Libido's cunning strategy of ze Desert Fox Bush. You see, you put a big mouse trap in the sand dune and put in it some tanks and planes and leeetle soldiers, so tiny you can hardly see them and then cover it up with date palm leaves and wait for the Al Qaida band of brothers in their best French accent to say "Awf! Those filthy Americans, look they are desecrating Allah." "Let us go then to the Euphrates, all of us together at the same time and martyr ourselves for Allah in the sands of Iraq until we are all dead".

And then the Lion of the Desert Donald Rumsfeld would say "Awf! Afghanistan, there's nothing to bomb there, no matter they attacked us from Afghanistan, we must create a monster someplace else where we can bomb something. So he put a big mouse trap in the sand dune and put in some tanks and planes and leeetle soldiers and.".

The Kirchners are proposing to seize all the private pension funds in Argentina.

Interesting, as something similar may well happen with a Democrat government in Washington. Leading Congressional Democrats are already proposing abolishing 401(k) s. Good! Only rich people have those things, better for the government to take it away from them and "spread the wealth around" to those less fortunate and more likely to vote Democratic.

Argentina is indeed setting the example that America can follow if the election goes the Democrats' way.

[QUOTE=Stowe]Are you claiming to know what Al Qaeda thinks? How in the shit do you know what Al Qaeda is / was thinking? You just make things up to justify your position.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I assume that you remember how quickly Al Qaeda abandoned their positions in Afghanistan when we came looking for them?

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Sidney]I am always eager to learn from a really smart guy. Please explain your methodology and the sources of your data.[/QUOTE]Methodology - I go on line in the morning and read a Nobel Prize winner of Economics.

Source of Data - Paul Krugman.

Syd, old sport,

Prepare to receive your new, dark overlord who will liberate you from your childish fixation on pointless symbolisms.

Get a rug and find out where the sun rises. The rest will be revealed to you by a mysterious bearded man, with a turbined head.

[QUOTE=Jackson]Congratulations Exon. You've just espoused a disincentive to earn more that's even more powerful than higher taxes.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Exon123]Sorta like maybe "Joe The Plumber" Jackson?

Exon[/QUOTE]Exon,

What does that mean?

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson]Exon,

What does that mean?

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]Well the latest from up here in sex prison is a bunch of Republican fascist MotherFuckers, (You know who they are Jackson) want to run "Joe The Plumber" for Congress.

Exon

[QUOTE=Jackson]Hi,

I assume that you remember how quickly Al Qaeda abandoned their positions in Afghanistan when we came looking for them?

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]Drumroll, Pakistan, well not really Pakistan, I guess on a map it was Pakistan but the border between Paki and Afgi. So where do we go? Iraq of course and lay a big mousetrap in zee desert with planes and tanks and leetle soldiers. Because obviously fighting Al and his band of Qaedas where they are wouldn't make sense.

I know, I know you're going to write something like.

"For the 50th time we invaded Iraq to make all the terrorist come there so we could fight them in another country and keep the US safe. Do you finally get it now?"

Something like that anyway.

We were already fighting them in another country, a country with less cities for them to hide in. Though more mountains, but not much collateral damage when a bomb misses a cave mouth, not like when you're off a house in a city.

What was the first thing secured? Oil fields. First government building secured? Whatever they call the "ministry of where the oil maps are."

Call it what it was, I can live with invading Iraq to have more ready access to the oil, though if we were going to do that we coulda left Saddam in power, but then there goes the justification for being there, because really, honestly, at the end of the day. It was about liberating all those poor Iraqi people from a mean, mean, man. Meanwhile Al Qaeda has less pressure, Bin Ladin is free to move around. They recruit like a 100,000 new people and operate with impunity in the mountains between Paki and Afgi for 5 years.

Where does it end with you bubba?

They (Iraq) attacked us, they didn't.

But that guy Al Qaeda did. Yes but they were not in Iraq.

It was the WMD's. Still none found but I'm sure Saddam got them out of the country before we invaded. But strangely just like Bin Ladin never found.

Well we liberated those poor Iraqi. More Iraqi's have died since we invaded than Saddam killed.

It was for the oil, which is a strategic need of the US. So Iraq can sell a billion dollars worth of oil to freaking China? What is UP with that! We kick their ass, get rid of their dictator, still have boots on the ground and are selling oil to our biggest competitor (who routinely sends us poisoned dolls to sell in Walmart) what the fuck is up with that?

Come on Jax just say it, you'll feel better after you do. Embrace reason and reality. The invasion in Iraq was stupid, one of the worst foreign policy mistakes the US has ever made. KBR, Blackwater, and Haliburton got rich off it but everybody else including the taxpayer and the troops fighting it got hosed.

It doesn't make conservatives as a whole bad, I'm glad we have parties that play off each other. This wasn't a conservative act, we didn't "kick anybodies ass" or "show them not to mess with the US." It was a fiasco from day one, will cost us for generations, and absolutely ruined the worldwide goodwill we had after 911.

Admit it, move on, be a conservative but one that embraces reality. Make more money buy some property and evict some poor helpless widow for not paying rent. Go back to doing what Conservatives have always done well, making money, avoiding paying taxes, and be mean to poor people.

Daddy's out of this discussion about the war from now on. Continued justification with twisted reality just pisses me off, so I'm done with it. I would rather bait Sid and Hunt about Obama.

If anybody has any experience with having their identity stolen PM me. Some idiot is using my birth certificate. Why they would steal my identity and not somebody with money or credit like Sid or Exon is beyond me. I probably shouldn't do anything about it, they can only improve my credit.

[QUOTE=Stowe]Sorry but I have to clarify once more-andally.

You continue to state it is MY definition. Is it that difficult to understand these are NOT my numbers, my points-of-view, but that of the governments of the world-how they all calculate standards-of-living? Cuba ranks 51st based on the HDI. Not sure how else I can explain that these are NOT my definitions so, since you seem to be incapable of grasping that and continue to, I will cease to respond to or add to your confusion.

Perhaps your read somewhere in my prior post that I was making up the numbers or taking credit for them?

Suerte.

Stowe[/QUOTE]It is your definition. Your definition of standard of living is Human Development Index. From Wikipedia, "standard of living refers to the quality and quantity of goods and services available to people, and the way these goods and services are distributed within a population. " Some, like you, also choose to consider health, education, life span, literacy, or whatever. It's not true as you say that "all international organizations use HDI to measure compare", and I also doubt that HDI is used by the governments of the world as a proxy for standard of living.

You're right though, I was wrong about one thing. I took a look at HDI for countries of the world, and by your definition, Cuba is not better off in terms of standard of living than 90% of the world's population. It's just better off than about 85%. Again, by your definition. By my definition it's in the BOTTOM 20%.

[QUOTE=Sidney]Why? 1. Stowe has charged that I would ''confiscate the money for personal use''! What an asinine insinuation from Stowe!

2. Only Daddy Rules made a generous pledge of a significant amount of money!

Sadly, all the rest of you ''all talk, no action'' Liberals, pledged zero![/QUOTE]You are the one that made inflammatory charges of "all talk and no action" because we didn't give YOU our money. My point is perhaps no one is doing it because we do not know you so we do not know your character. I have not seen you post any negative comments regarding the corruption that has taken place recently, perhaps I have missed them? Or perhaps you approve of what corporate American has done to this country and our economy.

Your claim of liberals being all talk and no action because we didn't give YOU our money is an asinine comment.

I do make significant donations but there is no reason to give you a damn penny and I really cannot imagine you expecting any so your post is nothing more than an attempt to ridicule others-a typical Republican tactic.

Suerte.

Stowe

[QUOTE=Bacchus9]Ahh! Stowe, I see you have not been fully briefed on the Wizard of Libido's cunning strategy of ze Desert Fox Bush. You see, you put a big mouse trap in the sand dune and put in it some tanks and planes and leeetle soldiers, so tiny you can hardly see them and then cover it up with date palm leaves and wait for the Al Qaida band of brothers in their best French accent to say "Awf! Those filthy Americans, look they are desecrating Allah." "Let us go then to the Euphrates, all of us together at the same time and martyr ourselves for Allah in the sands of Iraq until we are all dead".

And then the Lion of the Desert Donald Rumsfeld would say "Awf! Afghanistan, there's nothing to bomb there, no matter they attacked us from Afghanistan, we must create a monster someplace else where we can bomb something. So he put a big mouse trap in the sand dune and put in some tanks and planes and leeetle soldiers and.".[/QUOTE]I have to step aside as Bacchus has taken my thunder.

[QUOTE=Stowe]You are the one that made inflammatory charges of "all talk and no action" because we didn't give YOU our money. My point is perhaps no one is doing it because we do not know you so we do not know your character. I have not seen you post any negative comments regarding the corruption that has taken place recently, perhaps I have missed them? Or perhaps you approve of what corporate American has done to this country and our economy.

Your claim of liberals being all talk and no action because we didn't give YOU our money is an asinine comment.

I do make significant donations but there is no reason to give you a damn penny and I really cannot imagine you expecting any so your post is nothing more than an attempt to ridicule others-a typical Republican tactic.

Suerte.

Stowe[/QUOTE]Stowe (you disgusting pervert) I know Sid pretty well. If he was serious about organizing a fund like this I believe he would manage it well and not abscond with a penny.

I called his bluff because I knew he was breaking balls, though I would contribute 5% of what I make in the next year to help get something like I described rolling.

Why he would say no liberals answered the call when I did confused me, he's pretty conservative and even though I think of myself as a moderate I reckon I'm pretty liberal by his standards.

By the way Sid I'm serious about contributing. I think it would be cool if 1000 of us gave a 1000 bucks and started a college fund for those kids. We could let Exon invest half and Sid could trade half.

Mongers,

Obama takes 10 point national lead, even in the famed "Zogby" Poll, released today.

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