American Politics during the Obama Presidency

Just an FYI – got this quote off Fox News – yea I know its just a Republican mouthpiece.

"It's socialism. It starts with health care. It starts with the government bailouts," said Johnson, 43, who's retired from the military. "I work for a living and I see more and more of my money going to people who sit home and don't do it. I'm all for helping people out, but I like keeping what I earn."

Where do you think this is from, somewhere in the mid-west, a southern state perhaps, maybe some crazed right wing radical? No folks this come from the bastion of the Democratic party, from the home of the "Lion of the Senate" - yes folks it is from Massachusetts where even the party faithful are getting tired of the party line and may even (gasp) elect a Republican to fill the Senate seat vacated by Ted Kennedy in a state where a Kennedy has held the seat for over 40 years. There may be hope yet for the country!

Perhaps we should have a party at El Alamo to watch the Massachusetts special election results, and celebrate Scott Browns victory and the saving of American? Hehehehehe, I'm trying to get a flight now.

[QUOTE=AllIWantisLove] Isn't there an old saying which goes something like "The Republicans have no heart and the Democrats have no brains"?[/QUOTE]Another Republican joke, wonderful! Keep on showing us what they have to offer.

Doppelganger's post provides a good example of what I'm talking about.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger]Well I guess you can say the Democrats use "Reason" if your definition of Reason is give all your money to the government [/QUOTE]Incrementally more of your money than Republicans might take, but skewed to the rich. Far from "all".

[QUOTE]because the government knows better than anyone else how to tell you to run your life, decide what is good or bad for you[/QUOTE]No, for the most part people pretty much make those decisions for themselves in the US. If anything, you are likely to have greater freedoms under a Democratic administration due to greater separation of church from state.

[QUOTE]and lead you around by the nose as they spend your money (sorry it's not your money it's the government's) [/QUOTE]Money collected by government is typically given back in the form of services that people want and need. Government-bashers seem to conveniently skip over this obvious point.

Doppelganger repeats things that have been said many times before by Republicans. But such statements are so irrational, they cannot be characterized as anything other than emotional.

Please explain "entitlements" - why is someone else entitled to another persons earnings?

Please explain to me the "success" of the Democrat's Great Society.

Please explain to me the meaning of "rich" since what is now considered "rich" by the current administration $200K to $250K for a married couple if you will check you statistics falls well into the middle of the "middle class" per your own administrations findings.

Please explain why your party has decided to reinstate the "marriage tax" - a married couples earnings are less than two single persons earnings for tax purposes. Why the discrimination?

Tell you what, you give ALL YOUR MONEY AND POSSESSIONS TO THOSE WHO NEED IT then come talk to me about it your compassion and reason.

Same old tired BS I've heard from Democrats for years.

[QUOTE=Esten]Money collected by government is typically given back in the form of services that people want and need. Government-bashers seem to conveniently skip over this obvious point.[/QUOTE]Esten,

You're a never-ending fountain of humor.

First, the government does not "collect" money, it takes it by force from those who have earned it, and at gunpoint if one refuses to cooperate.

Second, the "services" that are "given back" suffer a huge loss in value as the government is by nature the most inefficient manager of any endeavor it undertakes.

Nevertheless, you cordially are invited to my house tomorrow night to watch the election returns on Fox News, in HD, of course

Who knows, perhaps you'll be the one that's celebrating.

Personally, I'm overcome with emotion at the prospect that we may actually be able to put the brakes on Obama's runaway train to economic disaster.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Schmoj]Let me quote you again Walleye, so you'll understand. You DO mention that the article is not directly related to individual gun ownership, but in the very same sentence mention 'contempt that this administration has for individual liberty and freedom.' So, explain to me how the issue described in THAT article has anything to do with individual liberty and freedom.[/QUOTE]Schmuck, you quote my point exactly, the government infringing on the personal liberties of those lawfully making a living via the $35B industry that the government seeks to harm.

[quote=]I won't go as far as calling you illiterate, but you seem to either have reading comprehension problems OR you are more than happy just to make shit up to support your ideology.[/QUOTE]You are free to call me what you like, I have thick skin. Despite my many years taking the short bus to and from school, I did complete ninth grade grammar and do not recall a section on using "all caps" for emphasis. I seem to recall my professor telling me that if you think you need a gimmick font or syntax to convey your message, clearly your prose does not. Clearly there are exceptions such as EE Cummings (should have been a porn star with that name) however, as I am sure you already know, Cummings was not best known for his expository writing.

As far as making "shit" up to support my ideology, please feel free to peruse any of my prior postings and find inaccurate information (other than the post where I said I have a 10" member - I estimated low and measured from the top)

[quote=]Also, you are assuming that just because I point out the fact THAT article had nothing to do with your and Sydney's interpretation of it that I am a "liberal."[/QUOTE]No, I based my conclusion that you are a liberal due to your poorly articulated points which are completely lacking in substance and are intended to confuse and draw attention away from the facts. I also considered the fact that despite agreeing with you that Sidney's interpretation was flawed, you continue to assume that I was making the same argument that Sidney was. When you have been corrected on the same subject numerous times and keep making the same mistake you are either ADHD [no offense to those with ADHD, as you know, this is a common trait amongst those with ADHD] or a liberal.

[quote=]Personally, I think most of the liberal / conservative dichotomy is smoke and mirrors.[/QUOTE]Ding, ding, ding, I think Schmoj deserves a gold star for breaking out a 5-dollar word. Good for you.

[quote=]While it may be applicable to individual points of view, the political powers only care about funneling the money to the institutions that keep them in power.[/QUOTE]I am going to go out on a limb here (making the same mistake I made before, thus making clear that I am either a liberal or I have ADHD) but I agree with you to some extent on this point. Now, please keep that point in mind when looking at issues of redistribution of wealth which are based upon extra-constitutional takings.

[quote=]Do you REALLY believe that Obama is a "liberal?"[/QUOTE]No, I do not believe Obama is a liberal. I have been very clear on this point, I believe that he is a Marxist. That said, he is seeking to install a hybrid Marxist / Fascist utopia based upon corporatism (look it up) and individual serfdom.

Mongers,

It's no secret that I am an Obama fan and a pretty far left liberal on most issues, however, I for one am praying that the Republican wins the Senate race today in Mass so this piece of shit farce of a healthcare reform bill gets filibustered. Basically, this bill plans to spend more than $1 trillion and does not include the one thing that it should have included, something that every other civilized nation on earth has, a public sector administered, taxpayer funded health care option. So what the fuck does this bill do, other than ban excluding coverage based on pre-existing conditions (which is a good thing, but why didn't Obama just issue an executive order banning the practice? And spending $1 trillion?

Suerte,

Rock Harders

As I stated in the post sited below, some six months ago (7-14-09 to be exact) the pendulum had reached its apex and was moving in the other direction. Due to the artificial heights that the left and the media took the pendulum, the acceleration and velocity on the down stroke will be extreme and will blow passed equilibrium headed the other way.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye]This guy is not stupid. He is seeking to destroy what makes this country great. He has contempt for every last one of us, those that despise him and those that idolize him. Every schmuck in the media has their nose up his ass. That said, America (our America) is noticing. The pendulum has swung and will cut very deep on its rebound.[/QUOTE]This special election in Massachusetts, in addition to being referendum on health care, is a refutation of Obama and his Marxist blueprint for America. It is particularly juicy that it is taking place in Massachusetts. Massachusetts is a liberal bastion created by US and State tax dollars, misappropriated by elected officials and distributed by union bosses to ensure payoffs, redistribution of wealth, public health care and perpetual democrat rule.

In short, Massachusetts is in many ways Obama's ideal. It is fitting that the people that live there are refuting that for which he stands.

This is part of the chronicles of a youthful liberal in Massachusetts who matured into a staunch conservative. Thought Ricardo might like this.

Was a volunteer for (I'm soooooo sorry) Barney Frank for – forget if it was the state senate or still just the house;

Was a volunteer for (I'm soooooo much sorrier) Barney Frank for his first successful run for Congress, which makes me partly responsible for the economic implosion;

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers,

It's no secret that I am an Obama fan and a pretty far left liberal on most issues, however, I for one am praying that the Republican wins the Senate race today in Mass so this piece of shit farce of a healthcare reform bill gets filibustered. Basically, this bill plans to spend more than $1 trillion and does not include the one thing that it should have included, something that every other civilized nation on earth has, a public sector administered, taxpayer funded health care option. So what the fuck does this bill do, other than ban excluding coverage based on pre-existing conditions (which is a good thing, but why didn't Obama just issue an executive order banning the practice? And spending $1 trillion?

Suerte,

Rock Harders[/QUOTE]You took the words right out of my mouth RH. Why in the hell Obama allowed Congress to write this two thousand page piece of shit is beyond me. Shame on you Mr. President. If the thing passed everyone would need six Philadelphia lawyers to get a hang nail taken care of.

I haven't yet read a convincing argument why the proposed health care reform is not a significant improvement over the status quo, and am hoping and expecting it will soon be signed into law. It is unfortunate there will not be a public option, but they just don't have the votes.

The right is fueling and surfing a wave of anger/discontent among some voters, but continue to fail in communicating convincing arguments why their ideas are better for the country. I'll acknowledge Obama and Dems have not done a great job in communicating why their ideas are better either. I expect we will see more effort on this.

Jackson- of course collection of taxes is enforced, society would not function without it.

Thanks for the invite; unfortunately I am here in SP now. Only being able to spend a few weeks a year in BA sucks. I miss the chicas. Those of you in BA with your regulars and stables, I am a bit envious...

[QUOTE=Damman]Why in the hell Obama allowed Congress to write this two thousand page piece of shit is beyond me.[/QUOTE]You guys make this so easy. The answer is because he's a weak decision maker, and he doesn't know what he's doing because he doesn't have any executive experience.

Still, the jury is still out on his leadership capabilities, which is an altogether different talent. Assuming that the current health bill is DOA, Obama now has a golden opportunity to take the initiative himself, to bring [u]all[/u] [u]parties[/u] together, appoint the study commissions, review their recommendations, hold the public hearings, and otherwise build a consensus behind a plan that more of the country can support, whatever that plan may ultimately provide.

Thanks,

Jackson

[size=3][I]Obama: the [strike]dumbest[/strike] most inexperienced President ever![/i][/size]