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Poor Customer Service at 1707!
I've been waiting patiently for Jackson to post his story, and now I have to prod him a little.
During a visit to 1707, El Rey de Recoleta himself has the distinction of being the first monger I know of who was aborted in mid-stroke by his choice chica because he was "to big"!
Yessir folks, our leaders' monster member brutalized this poor girl so totally she was forced to throw in the towel and announce she could stand no mas! Her insistance on a hand job finish was not received with any sort of enthusiasm (for some reason!)
Needless to say, he was not happy, having already paid a substantial propina for the extras he expected to enjoy. The duena offered a small rebate, but basically the attitude was -"Too Bad - we never guarenteed you´d get to actually finish"
I´ll leave the rest of the details to El Jefe to elaborate on (should he choose), but in my view it was a serious failure in the customer service department, and deserves to be met with a boycott of some type - at least against this particular chica (Barbara, I believe, is her nom de concha)
David
[size=3][red][b][u]Too BIG for Sante Fe[/u][/b][/red][/size]
[blue]One measure of any business is how they handle dissatisfied customers. Guillermo at Affair’s interrogation of the chica that ripped off Mickey Mouse, and Bobby at Madaho’s interceding to get Crazy Emily permanently off my case, are just a couple examples of Buenos Aires businesses making an extra effort to resolve a customer’s complaint.
And then there’s the apartment at 1707 Santa Fe.
I don’t generally care for the private apartment scene for a number of reasons, but after hearing and reading the experiences of so many Forum Members visits to the various apartments, I decided, in the name of research, that I should at least see for myself what all the interest was.
I selected what was reputed to be one of the best private apartments in the city: 1707 Santa Fe. It had received endorsements from several qualified mongers, including Andres, Capt Dave, and lately from Speculator, who seemed to have visited there every day for two weeks. Besides, the place was only six blocks from my apartment. If I was going to develop an apartment as an afternoon get-away, it seemed to meet all the requirements.
I made my first visit on a Monday afternoon in the company of Capt Dave. We arrived at the rather non-descript building on the corner on Sante Fa and Rodriguez Pena at 5pm. From all the glorifications in the write-ups, I had expected some sort of elegant Victorian townhouse, but I was instead confronted with a unimpressive concrete building with a drably painted foyer leading to a cramped 1950's style elevator. We exited the elevator into a small hallway with a single door and an adjacent intercom. As Capt Dave rang the buzzer, I observed the security camera peering down at us from the ceiling.
We were greeted by a middle aged woman who invited us into the foyer. Again, I was unimpressed with the decor, which consisted of dusty, thread-bare carpeting, dusty, thread-bare furniture, and windows covered by dusty, faded curtains. We were quickly escorted into the “Viewing Room” decorated in the same worn motif, where we had a seat and awaited our opportunity to select our chica de jour. Even the doors in this place had a worn-out look consisting of old wood that was greyed, cracked and bare from years of use, without the benefit of having received even a single new coat of varnish in years.
One by one, in quick succession, the four available chicas entered wearing bra and panties, introduced themselves with the obligatory peck on the cheek, and quickly departed, the entire sequence being completed within a minute. I selected “Barbara”, a slim, medium height chica with light brown hair. After advising the “Madam” of my choice, “Barbara” returned and led me across the hallway into a small bedroom where I was invited to wait.
As I waited, I took note of my surroundings. One reason I don’t like the apartments, or in fact any “on premise” venue, is that I always imagine the stereotypical small room furnished with a single bed, with stained sheets on a mattress that it was bent in the middle from overuse, illuminated by a single bare bulb dangling from the ceiling. Thus I was pleased to note that instead I was comfortably ensconced in a small room furnished with a single bed, with stained sheets on a mattress that it was bent in the middle from overuse, illuminated by a single bare bulb [i]on a lamp next to the bed[/i]. Whew! That was close.
Barbara returned a minute later to advise me of the pricing structure: $60 pesos for 30 minutes, $80 pesos for 45 minutes, plus an additional $20 pesos for a BBBJ, which I had expected to pay directly to the chica as an extra inducement, but which had now been apparently incorporated into the official pricing structure. I opted for the 45 minutes with the BBBJ, and handed her a $100 peso note. She asked me if I wanted anything to drink, and I asked for a coke with ice.
She returned in 5 minutes with a dirty glass filled with a warm, flat, dark liquid that she insisted was coke. Miraculously, just one sip was sufficient to satisfy my thirst. She closed the door as I sat on the bed and noted the time on my watch, which I had placed on the table for the specific purpose of determining if 45 minutes actually meant 45 minutes.
Barbara next offered me a stained white towel the size of a postage stamp, and asked if I wanted to take a shower, which I declined having just showered a couple of hours ago. Besides, I could just imagine the condition of the bathroom. She then produced a condom, whereupon I advised her that we would be using mine as I pulled one of my own brand out of my pocket.
Finally, we were ready to begin. I first asked Barbara to take off her clothes, a request which she promptly ignored, instead instructing me to lay back on the bed. She then crawled onto the bed, popped off her bra, and ordered me to play with her breasts. I again told her take of all of her clothes because I wanted to see her naked, and she instead grabbed my hand and placed it on her breast. Okay, it was time to establish who’s in charge here, and I politely told her to stop being so bossy and instead just do what I told her to do, whereupon she got the point, stood up, and removed her panties.
The BBBJ was average, although she tried to stop after the first minute, then again after the second minute, and then after about five minutes she sat up and indicated by rotating her jaw that her mouth was tired and that she could no longer continue. Okay, I handed her the condom, and after she put it on we proceeded to do it with her on top as I instructed. This lasted for about 5 minutes, although she twice tried to hop off and change positions. In addition, she was bombarding me with a series of vocal encouragements to finish, until I politely told her to cool off and that I would finish when I was ready, thank you.
We switched to doggie style, during which she continued to pull away each time I gave her a good forward thrust. After about three minutes she pulled away completely, complaining that my dick was too big and it was hurting her. Now, for the record, I fit comfortably in my favorite brand of Trojan Magnums, but I’m not about to put anybody in the porn industry out of a job. Anyway, I decided at this point that this entire scene really wasn’t my style, and thus I’d just finish quickly and chalk up the whole thing to experience, so I told her to assume the standard position for my final run. After about three minutes, she scurried out from underneath of me, proclaiming once again that I was too big, that we couldn’t continue, and that she wanted to finish me with a hand job.
“A hand job! What, are you fucking kidding me?” I was thinking. Anyway, what I told her was that “I didn’t come here to pay $100 pesos for a hand job”, but that she could finish me with a BBBJ. “Are you crazy” were her exact words, in English. We went back and forth for another minute, and she was insistent that I could not fuck her any more. I just shook my head, and we both realized that neither one of us was going to budge, so the session was over by mutual declaration. Okay, fine. She left the room and I got dressed. The time: 22 minutes.
I walked out of the room, across the hall and into the foyer where Capt Dave and the Madam were talking. “How was everything” she asked, and I told her “Terrible, the chica stopped before I could finish because she said I was too big, so I’d like to have my money back.” The look on her face was priceless, and I had to repeat myself twice, afterwhich the chica entered the room and essentially corroborated my remarks, acknowledging to the Madam that she stopped the session for the afore mention reason. Everybody was calm, nobody was angry, and everyone agreed to the facts, so I again asked for my money back. The Madam asked me to wait as she slipped behind a screen and through a door, apparently to consult with el Jefe.
She returned and advised me that I had received 20 minutes of sex, including the BBBJ, and that their shortest session was 30 minutes for $60 pesos, plus the $20 pesos for the BBBJ, which was a total of $80 pesos. I had paid $100 pesos, and thus she was going to give me a $20 peso refund. “No, No, No” I said, “The session was ended by the chica before I could finish” and that I wanted a full refund. We went back and forth, she telling me that I got 20 minutes of sex, and me reminding her that the “Final Minute” I didn’t receive was really the most important part. She told me that they didn’t give refunds, and I offered to accept a credit to return another day for another 45 minute session with another chica. Finally, I told her that I wasn’t a tourist, that I live here in BA, and that if they didn’t do the right thing here I would tell all my friends and they would certainly lose business. This part just went right over her head. She eventually left to consult with her associate again, only to return and simply say “no”. That was it, the end of my options, and we left.
The Final Analysis:
Well for one thing, using the services of an apartment requires that you pay first, which is a violation of one of my four basic tenets of good mongering, and this situation demonstrates why: Once they have the money, you have no control, your only option being to quietly withdraw your patronage, which is exactly what I’m going to ask every member of this Forum to do.
Here’s what I would ask of this Forum’s Membership:
[b][u]First[/u][/b], just don’t visit 1707 Sante Fe. They’ll never know the difference, but if one less Forum Member visits per week, that’s $5,000 pesos they won’t bank in the next year.
[b][u]Second[/u][/b], if you are compelled to visit, please make a point of telling the Madam that you don’t want “Barbara” because you heard from a website about the time she stopped a session because the customer was “too big”, and you’re concerned that you’ll have the same problem.
[b][u]Third[/u][/b], and again, only if you are compelled to visit, please make a point of asking the Madam what happens if the chica ends the session before you can finish because you are “too big”, and if so, will you get a refund. In other words, make them explain their policy while simultaneously making them aware that you heard about what happened to the other norteamericano.
The bottom line is this: These people need to learn what many of the club owners have already discovered: If one American has a problem in their establishment, the next day every American knows about it.
Information is power, and that’s what this website is all about.
As for me, I guess I’ll just have to live with the fact that I’m just too big for some girls.
Yea, right.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Were you too big for Emily too? :):):)
Just kidding.
Jackson wrote: "Now, for the record, I fit comfortably in my favorite brand of Trojan Magnums, but I’m not about to put anybody in the porn industry out of a job."
From the tact that he exhibits in handling this board, one would imagine that Jackson is not a man who would go around bragging about the size of his manhood. Nonetheless, you guys do have to admit that a man who moderates a forum such as this must have a good deal of "cajones."
Jackson, forgive my candor, but I believe that there is no need to downplay it. You've got "a lot of balls" to keep up this excellent site. Keep up the great work, and thank you for the information.
Jackson,
Do you remember the name of the madam? Silvia or Sol?
What was the time of the day?
I am going to call them all the way from the United States and explain that they made a BIG mistake not refunding your money! This way they'll know that when they do that to an americano even the ones in the States will know about it. In fact, I will ask them to give you back the money or else I will stop patronizing their place and I will spread the word about the incident.
I like to encourage other mongers to do the same. We owe this to Jackson for ALL THE MONEY WE SAVE THANKS TO THE BOARD, FOR ALL THE HELPFUL REPORTS, AIRFARES INFORMATION, ETC, ETC...
Their phone # from the US is 0011 54 11 4816-1490.
Is just a quick, cheap phone call.
This kind of customer service is typical of Latin America. They rather hold the 100 pesos and see you go for always. If I were the manager of 1017, Jackson would be having 50% off sessions just for his marketing network value. Come on boys! Let's make our voices be heard!
DWC
[blue]Hi,
I've been advised by Capt Dave that the Madam was indeed Silvia.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Well I guess we'll have to start calling you Big Jackson, or perhaps Big, or Biggie. You don't look like a rap star, so the latter one may not work.
I mostly agree with Jackson that they should have refunded your money. In lieu of that, the credit with another chica wasn't too bad. I mean, the lamp was on the table, right?
I find stories like these the most important on the site. Everyone tells their glory tales, and we all ooh and ahh over them. It's when things don't work that we all need to know how to approach the problem. I don't think many of us could do more than Jackson did.
I find it ridiculous that they'll charge you 20 extra pesos for a girl who can only blow you for a couple of minutes. That might work for pubescent boys, but not many more.
I find that the first 5 minutes is very telling of how the session will be. When they want to be difficult right up front, it's not cute, and you should probably bail. 90% of my bad, or very subpar chicas this year were difficult (that's the polite word), and I regretted going on with them. I actually only stopped one (in Costa Rica), but didn't ask for my money back. I did tell the management that she was bad, though.
Dances that is a great idea.
I will do it as soon as the madame's name is posted.
People we have to help each other out.
[blue]Hi,
I've been advised by Capt Dave that the Madam was indeed Silvia.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Another interesting approach - and much more practical than calling from the States - is to get Barbara's email (probably a playtum email address?) and emailing en masse, complaining of her customer service:-)
PS
"Banned from Blacks" coming soon "The Heroic Story of how Mongers' Stuck Together to Right an Injustice!!!
Viva Mad Max
"Silvia" is the name of the bottle-blonde madam who opens the door at 1707.
And as for Jackson - perhaps we need to give him a new nickname besides "El Jefe." Perhaps "Hedgehog the Second" or maybe just "H2."
He's going to have to give us a sex show with one of the Argentina Private babes at Tuesday night's AMA meeting. I'm sure he can raise hundreds for WSG Charities by just a few minutes of fun. We can even tape it and sell copies as a board-wide fundraiser.
-Uncle Otto
James Bond,
I disagree with your approach. E-mailing doesn't have the weight of a phone call. E-mailing Barbara, I mean, she can just click on "delete all" while have the management on the telephone is a more serious approach.
Also, Jackson posted that Barbara agreed she ended the session, the problem was with the management refusing to give back the money.
DWC
[blue]DWC,
I agree. As gentlemen, we can all agree that a chica has the right to end a session at any time, abet without compensation, and the recourse would be to never call her again.
In this situation, my beef is with the management 1707 Sante Fe for insisting upon keeping my money regardless of the obvious fact that I didn't receive the service for which I had paid.
To me, their actions are the equavalent of a moving company losing all my furniture in a traffic accident just short of the delivery address, and then offering me a 10% a refund because they had successfully delivered my furniture 90% of the distance.
I like the idea of some of the 1707 regulars calling Silvia and voicing their concerns. Here are the talking points:
Date: This past Monday, Feb 23
Time: 5:00 pm
Customers: Two middle aged norteamericanos.
Madam on duty: Silvia
Chica: "Barbara"
Their phone number from the US is: 0011 54 11 4816-1490
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Hey, I'm a little confused.
Does Jackson have a beef with the management of Santa Fe 1707, or do they have a problem with the management of Jackson's beef.
You may be out $40 dollars but imagine what it will do for your reputation.
Jackson and other Santa Fe mongers
This ain't just an American issue......this is of global concern !!! Britain will certainly play its part ! I think the management of 1707 will regret what they've (not) done.
I guess I must admit that I come up a bit short in comparison to El Jefe. In fact, as reported in 2003, Barbara was able to manage all of my manhood on my first day in BA this past December.
I guess we all can't be as gifted as Jackson, but than again, at times, smallness has its advantages.
DfB
Jackson,
I’m very sorry to hear that it did not work out for you at Sante Fe 1707. But, that was a great, great post you wrote. You had me cracking up.
Some thoughts
I also am not a fan generally of the private apartment scene, although I did like Sante Fe 1707. My view of Sante Fe 1707 is; it’s a great place to go in, see the lineup, and get a nice afternoon or early evening, BBBJ, pretty easily, for 60 pesos to the house, and 20 more to the chica. That’s about it. I guess my expectations were just not that high regarding getting good service from the house, or a nice facility. Then again, maybe my dick is just the right size to have a good time there. I’ve only been to two apartments in BA the other being Bonnefemme, and I can say without hesitation that Sante Fe 1707 was much bigger and nicer. Maybe somebody with a lot of apartment experience can post comparing the facilities of these places.
I agree they should of absolutely given Jackson his money back. Had they known how much bad publicity they would get I would bet they would reconsider, but they are just too ignorant. How do they think all of these NorteAmericano’s are suddenly showing up at their door, by osmosis? By taxi cab driver recommendations? They are ignorant to the fact that information is being shared, regarding the place, on this forum. I think letting them know that is a great idea. I’m sure Jackson wants his money back, but even more importantly, and I’m sure he would agree, is that the house going forward, conducts itself with a little more savvy customer service. Guys in the future should feel pretty confident about the fact that they are going to get what they paid for when they go there. Or else, no one will go there. I know personally if I continue to read bad reports about the place, I won’t be going when I return to BA. The reason why I went there in the first place was because of the posts.
I never felt at all like Sante Fe 1707 was a clip joint. I just think they acted ignorantly in this situation. Once again it comes down to the problem chica. If you run into a bad one or one you are just not compatible with, there is not much you can do, you’ve had and are going to have a lousy time.
Regarding the Questionable Facility, namely, the single bed, with stained sheets on a mattress that it was bent in the middle from overuse, illuminated by a single bare bulb dangling from the ceiling, a suggestion would be to take the girl out to your own place instead of staying on premise. I believe I read on this forum that you can take the girls out from Sante Fe for the same price, and many have reported better service this way. I personally never tried it, because my interests with Sante Fe were in a nice, quick, cheap, easy, afternoon BBBJ with a nice looking chica. In fact, I believe it was also reported that if you knew many of the girls, from regular use, you could just call and they would send the girl to you, of course plus taxi fare. This place definitely has a use. I hope they straighten this out and do the right thing, and going forward recognize the power of shared information.
Some real fluent Spanish speakers should take the time out, IMHO, and call down there and explain what they have done, and how it could significantly impact their business, and hopefully get a “happy ending”. For some reason, I think that it will have no effect. I hope I am wrong. I mean we are talking about an apart-brothel here with no sign out in front of the place like a Blacks, Madahos or Wal-mart. It’s pretty seedy in that regard. This madam at Bonnfemme argued with me over ten pesos and all I did was view the girls. I couldn’t even imagine what kind of fight we’d of had if I fucked one of them for a while and the session ended in the middle and I wanted my money back. I’m sure it would not of went well. I also don’t know if Sante Fe 1707 really cares if any NorteAmericano’s come there or not. At these prices it seems more like a place for locals and that’s their business model, and all us NorteAmericanos are just gravy. I hope some guys take the time out to call and post the results. Dancesw/Chicas said he was planning on calling. DWC, what happened? Until next time, Adios Amigos.
Speculator
Regarding Santa Fe 1707 outcall -
After going to 1707 a number of times, I began to call over there in late morning for various chicas that I knew there to come to my hotel in the afternoon. It worked well and the cost was the same as in-house, plus taxi. I do think that there is an hour requirement on outcall, though.
I do intend to speak to Sylvia about this issue with service. Hopefully the matter could be resolved better or I think they will suffer a severe loss of customers.
Stormy
Amigos,
I did call 1707 last night, but neither Silvia or Sol were on
duty. I talked to Cecilia (chechu @ platynum) who's the
chica doing the hosting when is needed. I decided to
wait until I could talk to Silvia.
I agree the facilities are almost decent... The place is just
an option for when walking around Santa Fe. Is really
cool for me to walk around Buenos Aires and know that
available chicas are just a block away. I wish I could say
the same about the US.
DWC
Gents,
After reading Jackson's admonitions about Sante Fe 1707, I thought it proper to apply a double blind study (well maybe not so blind....) and compare results. As I only had a short break in my otherwise hectic schedule, I just dropped in around 8 p.m. for an objective evaluation of the night's lineup because I lacked sufficient time for "in depth" study. In conclusion, I found that the madam, Silvia, definitely needs to attend charm school as she somehow lacks the warmth I've grown accustomed to in this wonderful town. HOWEVER, before leaving I met two absolutely stunning ladies that knocked my socks off and nearly caused me to cancel the rest of my night's activities. The first was Bris (not sure about spelling), a beautiful busty little weight lifter that looks like she could hurt you, and the second was Pamela, which I can only describe as tall, tan, curvy, and gorgeous. As previously recommended, I immediately wrote their names down before leaving and plan to have them delivered to my apartment in due time at which point I hope to post results in this esteemed publication. Until then my brothers of the AMA.
Sante Fe 1707
Jackson and other amigos,
I called today and talked to Sol (Soledad). I asked for Silvia and she told that Silvia is off for a few days... Anyway, when I started to talk about the incident with Jackson, she told me that SHE was the one "hosting" that day. Well, she said that it was true they ended the session but according to what Barbara told her, Jackson was extremely rough and unconsiderate with her and he was given it to Barbara "full force" doggie style. (go Jackson go!!)
Anyway, she (Soledad) told me that Barbara told her that when she asked Jackson to stop for a moment, Jackson said that he was the one giving the orders. (who's your daddy!!) I interrupted her to asked if that was anal sex and she said it was regular, just doggie style. (I was loving it!!)
Finally, Soledad said that they (management) will talk to Barbara seriously if they received complaints from several different customers but not for a single one.
She also mentioned that Jackson's friend "the italian" (who's that?..... Luca Brasi? ha!) was very satisfied with he's session and only Jackson was "difficult".
I personally think that Barbara is probably a no-no. I remember her from the times I have seen the line up and she isn't attractive enough compare with the others. I ended the talk saying that the word on the streets is that 1017 is not as reliable anymore and she said that they want all the customers to have a good experience and that "ese senor" (Jackson) was a special case. Anyway that is the report from the phone call.
DWC
[blue]Hi DWC,
Thanks for making the call. My description of the events is entirely accurate, and specifically, at no time was I in any way "extremely rough and unconsiderate", nor was I ever "difficult". Sure, after the chica ignored my second request to take off her clothes, I told her, in a calm and polite voice, that I was "el jefe", and that I wanted her to do what I asked her, upon which she complied. Hey, what can I say, I don't like chicas giving me orders.
In additon, she didn't suggest that "we stop for a minute", she simply announced that we were going to stop, period.
As to "full force" doggie style, is there any other way? Perhaps "half force" doggie style? Or perhaps "feather duster" doggie style? This is such BS.
Anyway, this isn't about the chica, it's about how the mangement of Sante Fe responded to incident, and that's where THEY (not the chica) failed miserably.
The net result is that I will still get all the pussy I want, but if I manage to use the power of this website to convince just one guy per week not to visit 1707 Sante Fe, which is certainly a realistic number, then THEY will have 5,000 fewer pesos in their bank in the next year.
Still, the solution is so simple: All they have to do to make good on the situation is to invite me back for the 45 minute session that I already paid for but did not receive. Hell, I'll even pay the extra 20 pesos for the BBBJ. It's simple.
BTW, "the Italian" was Capt Dave, and of course he was satisfied because he didn't get ripped off. He paid for 30 minutes and he got 30 minutes, including the opportunity to finish.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[blue][u]This is a re-post of the report that got this subject started.[/u][/blue]
[size=3][red][b][u]Too BIG for Sante Fe[/u][/b][/red][/size]
[blue]One measure of any business is how they handle dissatisfied customers. Guillermo at Affair’s interrogation of the chica that ripped off Mickey Mouse, and Bobby at Madaho’s interceding to get Crazy Emily permanently off my case, are just a couple examples of Buenos Aires businesses making an extra effort to resolve a customer’s complaint.
And then there’s the apartment at 1707 Santa Fe.
I don’t generally care for the private apartment scene for a number of reasons, but after hearing and reading the experiences of so many Forum Members visits to the various apartments, I decided, in the name of research, that I should at least see for myself what all the interest was.
I selected what was reputed to be one of the best private apartments in the city: 1707 Santa Fe. It had received endorsements from several qualified mongers, including Andres, Capt Dave, and lately from Speculator, who seemed to have visited there every day for two weeks. Besides, the place was only six blocks from my apartment. If I was going to develop an apartment as an afternoon get-away, it seemed to meet all the requirements.
I made my first visit on a Monday afternoon in the company of Capt Dave. We arrived at the rather non-descript building on the corner on Sante Fa and Rodriguez Pena at 5pm. From all the glorifications in the write-ups, I had expected some sort of elegant Victorian townhouse, but I was instead confronted with a unimpressive concrete building with a drably painted foyer leading to a cramped 1950's style elevator. We exited the elevator into a small hallway with a single door and an adjacent intercom. As Capt Dave rang the buzzer, I observed the security camera peering down at us from the ceiling.
We were greeted by a middle aged woman who invited us into the foyer. Again, I was unimpressed with the decor, which consisted of dusty, thread-bare carpeting, dusty, thread-bare furniture, and windows covered by dusty, faded curtains. We were quickly escorted into the “Viewing Room” decorated in the same worn motif, where we had a seat and awaited our opportunity to select our chica de jour. Even the doors in this place had a worn-out look consisting of old wood that was greyed, cracked and bare from years of use, without the benefit of having received even a single new coat of varnish in years.
One by one, in quick succession, the four available chicas entered wearing bra and panties, introduced themselves with the obligatory peck on the cheek, and quickly departed, the entire sequence being completed within a minute. I selected “Barbara”, a slim, medium height chica with light brown hair. After advising the “Madam” of my choice, “Barbara” returned and led me across the hallway into a small bedroom where I was invited to wait.
As I waited, I took note of my surroundings. One reason I don’t like the apartments, or in fact any “on premise” venue, is that I always imagine the stereotypical small room furnished with a single bed, with stained sheets on a mattress that it was bent in the middle from overuse, illuminated by a single bare bulb dangling from the ceiling. Thus I was pleased to note that instead I was comfortably ensconced in a small room furnished with a single bed, with stained sheets on a mattress that it was bent in the middle from overuse, illuminated by a single bare bulb [i]on a lamp next to the bed[/i]. Whew! That was close.
Barbara returned a minute later to advise me of the pricing structure: $60 pesos for 30 minutes, $80 pesos for 45 minutes, plus an additional $20 pesos for a BBBJ, which I had expected to pay directly to the chica as an extra inducement, but which had now been apparently incorporated into the official pricing structure. I opted for the 45 minutes with the BBBJ, and handed her a $100 peso note. She asked me if I wanted anything to drink, and I asked for a coke with ice.
She returned in 5 minutes with a dirty glass filled with a warm, flat, dark liquid that she insisted was coke. Miraculously, just one sip was sufficient to satisfy my thirst. She closed the door as I sat on the bed and noted the time on my watch, which I had placed on the table for the specific purpose of determining if 45 minutes actually meant 45 minutes.
Barbara next offered me a stained white towel the size of a postage stamp, and asked if I wanted to take a shower, which I declined having just showered a couple of hours ago. Besides, I could just imagine the condition of the bathroom. She then produced a condom, whereupon I advised her that we would be using mine as I pulled one of my own brand out of my pocket.
Finally, we were ready to begin. I first asked Barbara to take off her clothes, a request which she promptly ignored, instead instructing me to lay back on the bed. She then crawled onto the bed, popped off her bra, and ordered me to play with her breasts. I again told her take of all of her clothes because I wanted to see her naked, and she instead grabbed my hand and placed it on her breast. Okay, it was time to establish who’s in charge here, and I politely told her to stop being so bossy and instead just do what I told her to do, whereupon she got the point, stood up, and removed her panties.
The BBBJ was average, although she tried to stop after the first minute, then again after the second minute, and then after about five minutes she sat up and indicated by rotating her jaw that her mouth was tired and that she could no longer continue. Okay, I handed her the condom, and after she put it on we proceeded to do it with her on top as I instructed. This lasted for about 5 minutes, although she twice tried to hop off and change positions. In addition, she was bombarding me with a series of vocal encouragements to finish, until I politely told her to cool off and that I would finish when I was ready, thank you.
We switched to doggie style, during which she continued to pull away each time I gave her a good forward thrust. After about three minutes she pulled away completely, complaining that my dick was too big and it was hurting her. Now, for the record, I fit comfortably in my favorite brand of Trojan Magnums, but I’m not about to put anybody in the porn industry out of a job. Anyway, I decided at this point that this entire scene really wasn’t my style, and thus I’d just finish quickly and chalk up the whole thing to experience, so I told her to assume the standard position for my final run. After about three minutes, she scurried out from underneath of me, proclaiming once again that I was too big, that we couldn’t continue, and that she wanted to finish me with a hand job.
“A hand job! What, are you fucking kidding me?” I was thinking. Anyway, what I told her was that “I didn’t come here to pay $100 pesos for a hand job”, but that she could finish me with a BBBJ. “Are you crazy” were her exact words, in English. We went back and forth for another minute, and she was insistent that I could not fuck her any more. I just shook my head, and we both realized that neither one of us was going to budge, so the session was over by mutual declaration. Okay, fine. She left the room and I got dressed. The time: 22 minutes.
I walked out of the room, across the hall and into the foyer where Capt Dave and the Madam were talking. “How was everything” she asked, and I told her “Terrible, the chica stopped before I could finish because she said I was too big, so I’d like to have my money back.” The look on her face was priceless, and I had to repeat myself twice, afterwhich the chica entered the room and essentially corroborated my remarks, acknowledging to the Madam that she stopped the session for the afore mention reason. Everybody was calm, nobody was angry, and everyone agreed to the facts, so I again asked for my money back. The Madam asked me to wait as she slipped behind a screen and through a door, apparently to consult with el Jefe.
She returned and advised me that I had received 20 minutes of sex, including the BBBJ, and that their shortest session was 30 minutes for $60 pesos, plus the $20 pesos for the BBBJ, which was a total of $80 pesos. I had paid $100 pesos, and thus she was going to give me a $20 peso refund. “No, No, No” I said, “The session was ended by the chica before I could finish” and that I wanted a full refund. We went back and forth, she telling me that I got 20 minutes of sex, and me reminding her that the “Final Minute” I didn’t receive was really the most important part. She told me that they didn’t give refunds, and I offered to accept a credit to return another day for another 45 minute session with another chica. Finally, I told her that I wasn’t a tourist, that I live here in BA, and that if they didn’t do the right thing here I would tell all my friends and they would certainly lose business. This part just went right over her head. She eventually left to consult with her associate again, only to return and simply say “no”. That was it, the end of my options, and we left.
The Final Analysis:
Well for one thing, using the services of an apartment requires that you pay first, which is a violation of one of my four basic tenets of good mongering, and this situation demonstrates why: Once they have the money, you have no control, your only option being to quietly withdraw your patronage, which is exactly what I’m going to ask every member of this Forum to do.
Here’s what I would ask of this Forum’s Membership:
[b][u]First[/u][/b], just don’t visit 1707 Sante Fe. They’ll never know the difference, but if one less Forum Member visits per week, that’s $5,000 pesos they won’t bank in the next year.
[b][u]Second[/u][/b], if you are compelled to visit, please make a point of telling the Madam that you don’t want “Barbara” because you heard from a website about the time she stopped a session because the customer was “too big”, and you’re concerned that you’ll have the same problem.
[b][u]Third[/u][/b], and again, only if you are compelled to visit, please make a point of asking the Madam what happens if the chica ends the session before you can finish because you are “too big”, and if so, will you get a refund. In other words, make them explain their policy while simultaneously making them aware that you heard about what happened to the other norteamericano.
The bottom line is this: These people need to learn what many of the club owners have already discovered: If one American has a problem in their establishment, the next day every American knows about it.
Information is power, and that’s what this website is all about.
As for me, I guess I’ll just have to live with the fact that I’m just too big for some girls.
Yea, right.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Thread: 1707 Santa Fe
El Jefe,
Please forgive my contrarian viewpoint, but I must say the dreaded blue line report is a bit over the top.
I´ve been there for 5 visits and always had a GFE, and always on top of the blanket so I´ve never seen the seen the alleged stains on the sheets. Yes, the place is a bit shabby, reminds me of Tiajuana, Mexico, but I like that kind of sleaze from time to time.
After all, it is not Monte Carlo.
Thanks to your first blue line report, I use the callout service which works super efficient. The pop is 100 pesos for an hour on my clean sheets plus a Taxi fare of 10 pesos.
Sorry you got a nasty lady, and I can understand you rage.
Barbara, whom I´ve yet to encounter, will not get my action in deference to to you, but the other gals are great.
With all your wonderful experiences in Beautiful BA, maybe the Gods threw you a bad one just to make you appreciate all the great ones forth coming.
Keep on truckin´
Jackpot
[blue]Hi Jackpot,
My issue is not with "Barbara". My issue is with the management of 1707 Sante Fe, who upon learning from the chica herself that she stopped my session of her own accord, still refused to return my money or give me a credit for a return visit.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Here is 2 cents worth from a lurker if you vets are interested. Even if Jackson were partly to blame for being too rough, they should have given him a refund. That argument s irrelevant in my book. Whatever happened and for whatever reason everyone agrees he didn't get what he paid for in the end. Yes he got something of limited value, but they should have realized keeping the money could cost more than the 80 pesos, whether they were right or not. If it wasn't his fault and it was Barbara's, he should of gotten a free shot at a different girl. But if they believed it was his fault, they should have simply given him a refund and invited him not to come back (which evidentally he won't anyway). They shouldn't want a customer that gets rough with the girls to come around anyway. Taking the high road would have gotten rid of a bad apple, if that were the case, or would have turned a disatisfied customer into one who would return time and again, if it weren't. And it would have been the difference between mongers being wary of bringing their business to ones that feel even safer going there knowing it is run professionally. What is it they say, a satisfied customer tells a few friends but a disatisfied one tells everyone he knows.
This thread is entitled "Buenos Aires - Apartments: 1701 Sante Fe" yet the true address is 1707.
This might be a little confusing to the not so serious monger.
Either we should rename the thread or ask Sylvia to move her business a couple of doors over.
DfB
[blue]Hi DBF,
So noted, and revised accordingly.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
"Jackson & 1707"
Having been involved in the service business over the years, I would like to add my two sense about Jackson's experience. I have been to 1707 once and I can see why it has become a favorite for many including a couple good friends.
When dealing with the public (drunk or sober), you regularly have situations where you field complaints and/or suggestions from your costumers. Some of these will have merit while others can be baseless. It is up to the proprietor to deal with "All" of these situations, no matter what their personal beliefs or feelings may be in a fair and prompt manner. Jackson was obviously disappointed with the way things were handled and with good reason, an honest effort was not made to rectify the situation. Not even a credit for another day, now that does not make sense!
The management decided not to try and rectify the problem which would have been easy IMHO, instead they kept (most of) his money and said GoodBye. My solution would have been to get Jackson's #2 choice in there immediately for a BBBJTC that would have knocked his socks off! Come on, they couldn't have done that?
Personally, I prefer the confines of my own room when mongering because when a bad experience happens it is easier to right it or just kick them out (which has happened to me more than once). I have posted my mistakes before so we can all learn from them and that is why we are here: to share and learn. When I had my incident with some ladies from Affaire, management was notified and they made the effort to find the truth and deal with the problem. My goal was to inform so as to avoid a repeat in the future. Mission accomplished!
Two things I know about Jackson: 1. He is always deliberate in his negotiations when it comes to money and 2. BBBJ's are always part of the deal!
The fact that Jackson owns this site has no bearing (and should have no affect) on this situation and it's outcome. The fact that a fellow monger had a bad experience and is sharing it with the rest of us so we may all be better informed is what is important here. Share and inform so we may all have better and safer time while out there in that "Monger Jungle", that's what this is all about.
The Bottom Line was: When he pulled out Mr Johnson, she got scared and ran, then 1707 didn't have anyone else who could take care of that Python!
Just one Mouse's humble opinion,
MM
If 1707's regulars just mention the incident when they visit, I bet the solution will be different the next time.
[blue]Hi MM,
I appreciate your observations, and I'd like to reinforce a couple of points.
First, the whole incident illustrates that the management at 1707 Sante Fe doesn't give a damn wether you are a satisfied customer. I personally don't comprehend why anyone would patonize any business establishment that has demonstrated such a callous attitude toward's their customers, but that's me.
Second, given that the management of 1707 Sante Fe isn't going to modify their response to my incident, and...
Given that guys aren't going to stop patonizing the place because they can get laid there (and we all know how difficult that is to acomplish in this city), and...
Given that it's still a good idea to for them to understand that we are collectively watching how they treat their customers, then...
I think it's in everyone's interest that "1707's regulars just mention the incident when they visit" as suggested by MM.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
A billionare got jailed because of 50K. I think people at top of their games should take it easier a bit, be flexible on principle and pesos, let the other guys worry about it.
No so seriously, I think this thread is a negative adorsement. Mere mortals won't possiblity encounter Jackson's BIG problems, and continue to visit this top rated apartment sort of acknowledged by Jackson. I'm sure a lot of the less endowed will try to sneak into Babara and see for himself how he compare with the king.
Jackson has always complained to me about having pain in his knees. Well, now I know that's what happens when you-know-what smacks into the knee while walking down the street. Maybe he should dump the boxers and switch to briefs to keep that trouser snake bundled up.
-Uncle Otto
I agree wholeheartedly with TallnHandsome's assessment.
I love this site and respect and admire the work that Jackson does to support it. This thread however, was initiated by one questionably bad experience and carrying on like this, to me, seems to be almost an abuse of power.
Fucking girl's after meeting them for 5 seconds doesn't always guarantee that you and she (and management) are all on the same page. Shit happens. The one bad experience that Jackson had wrt Barbara should not unjustly penalize 1707 and must be weighed against the scores of good experiences that others have reported on this forum.
Let's move on.
In the words of one senior member - "enjoy the life."
DfB
[blue]Okay, let's bring this back into perspective:
For the 10th time, my complaint is not with Barbara or any of the chicas that work at 1707 Sante Fe.
My complaint is with the MANAGEMENT of 1707 Sante Fe, who refused to refund my money or give me a "merchandise credit" in spite of the fact that, through no fault of my own, I did not received the services for which I had paid.
The significance of this thread is that it documents a rare opportunity to test the integrity of the MANAGEMENT of Sante Fe, a test that they failed miserably. Their response demonstrated that their concern for customer satisfaction is feigned, that they do not have a "customer service" mentality, and that in fact they demostrated that their policy is that once they have your money, the part of the deal where they have to deliver the services is unimportant.
In other words, "buyer beware".
Thanks,
Jackson
BTW: With all due respect, I have to disagree with your characterization of the events as a "questionably bad experience". I think the facts reasonably demonstrate that it was an "unquestionably" a bad experience.[/blue]
Guys:
I'm surprised that, in the quest for the perfect apartment, nobody but myself reported about the Templo de Marrion.
This place, located at Maipu 429 5º "5", offers an acceptable variety of girls. I would say that most girls look Paraguayan or Northern Argentinian compared to those at SF1707, but the premises are slightly better (private bathroom in every suite and one apartment per chica instead of one room, since they own the apartments of the whole floor) and the service is as good as SF1707 or better.
As fs as I remember, prices were ar$50 30 minutes and ar$100 the hour. Phone numbers can be found at Platynum (those ending in 1895 and 4568).
Hope this helps,
Andres
Jackson -
I've re-read your post. Sorry for my mischaracterization of your experience. While perhaps you may feel that you deserved a credit, it is not totally unreasonable for an objective viewer to think otherwise and thus not to boycott the establishment on account of it.
Sex with different ladies every day is an inherently risky business. Sometimes you get more than you expect, sometimes less. If you want consistency, stick with a girlfriend.
Although you didn't climax, she did provide some periond of bbbj and protected sex. Apparently you were a bit rougher and larger than she is used to and thus she was unable/unwilling for you to cum as you wished. Perhaps if you were a little gentler you could have completed the act.
While it would have been great if they credited you for the full amount, the fact that management didn't is not totally unreasonable.
If you go to a restaurant and are not crazy about the food, some restauranteurs will offer you a free meal, others will not. While it is entirely reasonable for you to choose not to return to the restaurant because they didn't offer you a free/different meal, you can't expect your friends who have eaten there and did enjoy the food not to return there as well.
I just feel that this thread is going a bit too far on this matter.
I welcome your thoughts.
DfB
[blue]Hi DFB,
Thanks for your comments, but your analogy falls short in one important aspect.
If I go to a restaurant, am presented with a menu, order a meal, and in this case, prepay for said meal, and then as I am in the midst of eating said meal the chef comes to the table and promptly removes the plate because he has decided that he does not want me to finish the meal, then I or anyone else would reasonably expect THE MANAGEMENT of the restaurant to refund the money I had paid for the meal, or at the minimum give me a credit voucher for another meal on another day.
In this circumstance, I don't believe any rational person would agree with a decision by the MANAGEMENT that since I had actually eaten part of the meal, I was not entitled to a refund.
Talking about how nice the chef has been to other diners, or how nice the other chefs are or have been in the past, is irrelevant.
The fact is that these people ripped me off.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Jackson,
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. No hard feelings.
DfB
"I deserve what I got"
I would like to publicly appologize to El Jefe for not listening to his wisedom. I commited two sins this afternoon. One, I went to Sante Fe 1707. Two, I picked Barbara. Net result. Put my name in Jackson's story and you have mine. No I don't even fantasize about measuring up to Jackson and all I wanted was a BBBJ. So I thought I was good. I repeated this twice before I paid and twice after. Barbara said si all four times. 5 minutes into it she proclaims I'm to big for her to go on. She says it hurts her mouth. It wasn't much of a BBBJ to begin with. She stuck her tongue on my shaft and used her hand for the most part. I take this in stride and settle for a hand job. 2 minutes into that she asks why can't I finish. Well it's because she's horrible at it. So I try to take things in hand. A couple of minutes after that, she asks what my problem is. I've had it. I say NO MAS!! EL JEFE!!! EL JEFE!!! She gives me back the 20 I paid for the BBBJ to buy me off. I'm not detered. I talk to Sylvia the madam. I tell her my tale, Barbara backs me up. She sushes me into a room and says it's not her fault. What happens is up to the girl. I tell her I will never come back. She says that I will never come back to see Barbara? I say no, I will never come back period. She calls me back into the room again. Some old spiel, same statements from me.
I'm not angry that she had to stop the BBBJ if she was uncomfortable. I wouldn't want her to continue. But if she had said something the two times I asked before I paid, I would have just picked someone else. What really got me pissed off was all her comments. Asking me what my problem is because I can't cream my pants like a teenager is not really the way to get me motivated. Especially since at that point all she was doing was lying there.
Also, I take it that many of her clients are tourists. She speaks english far better than most chicas. In fact, when I started saying I'm sorry I don't speak much spanish in Spanish. She finished saying it for me after lo siento.
Don't be a fool like myself. Jackson's experience is worth it's weight in gold.
I guess you can't say you weren't warned. If they didn't give you your money back (you didn't say one way or the other), then it just shows that they don't give a shit. It appears that this particular girl wants to work for 10 minutes and then be done. She needs to find a new job.
It's like going to an oil change place, and them just putting a tablespoon of oil in, and saying, "Hey we changed it". I still think a picketting operation is in order. (Or perhaps handing out leaflets)
[b]That's It! They lost [red]MY[/red] business too![/b]
I must admit that having had a good experience at 1707 in the past, it was hard for me to justify a boycot of this establishemnt based on a single bad report. In this line of work, there are too many variables to allow for a universally perfect outcome in every case, so a certain but LOW number of unwanted outcomes is IMHO unavaoidable. The way in which the management handles and deals with these cases, however, is indicative of the caliber of the business. Before reading the report of JustGotBack, I fully intended to give them the benefit of a doubt and use their services on my upcoming trip, but I now have changed my mind.
Reading JustGotBack's report, it is self evident that "Barbara" is a problem chica. Hurrying a customer to finish, when he has already paid for an hour, only has one possible outcome: Resentment. It is quite clear that this Barbara chica has very little enthusiasm about her line of work and does her best just to "get it over with". Even so, hurrying the customer rarely works, as there are many other effective ways of expediting the inevitable. In fact, it is educational to know what the "typical" experience with this chica would be, if she does not terminate the session abruptly. Few mongers can go on for an hour. Most will shoot their load in the first 30 minutes, so what about the rest of the time? Does she initiate a second round? Does she give you a massage? Does she chit chat? Or maybe, she simply shows you the door after the first pop. I am willing to wager that it is probably none of the above, as (more than likely) she terminates most sessions abruptly. And this is where [b]the management fails, exactly as Jackson said.[/b] Good mangement would have treated Jackson better, and after a few complaints like this would have simply gotten rid of this Chica. She has no place in this line of work. If for nothing else, doing so makes business sense and is fair to other girls working there, trying their best to do a good job. For example, when I was there, Mony (My chica) immediately went for a massage and a second round after numero uno. By not dealing with this one bad apple, the management is not only alienating their client base, but also being unfair to their other hard working girls.
It reminds me of a time when I visited the Brussels RLD near Gare Du Nord. I chose a simply gorgeous Italian Chica who would be at least a 9 in anybody's book. Everything was nice until I sensed, after about 5 minutes, that she is hurrying me to finish. At that point I simply lost interest and could not even finish the deed. In fact when I think about it, aside from the time I was a teen-ager, I have NEVER been able to finish the deed when I sensed that the chica is deliberately hurrying me.
Again, as Jackson said, the problem is with [b] the management[/b] of this place in their failure to deal with this one bad chica. Jackson, you are a wise man. I didn't see your point initially, but now I do.
Knuckhead
No I didn't get my money back except for the 20 Barbara gave me for La Boca. Sylvia´s stand is that the girls work for themselves. That they are independent contractors in essence. She's only there to answer the phone and open the door. She's not culpa, responsible, for anything else. Hell I didn't even want my money back. Since I was only in there for 10 minutes, another girl would have done nicely. Just don't pay Barbara and pay the new girl. I would have been happy with a credit for another time or a discount for that matter. It's not like I was a first time customer. I was hoping it would be my afternoon entertainment all week but now I will seek satisfaction elsewhere.
Personally I think the thing to do in this situation is to immediately jack off all over the girl, and I mean ALL over. But then, I'm a
Dickhead
Forget Santa Fe. Save your time, money and more importantly bullets for a much better place. Skip out on the fat and attitude filled women. Unless you are into that type. I found my perfect daytime place today. Check it out in 2004 reports.
DH, I couldn't do that if I tried. She was holding up the towel in front of me while I had things in hand. That didn't help.
I agree. Again, with credit to Andres, we are referring to Suipacha 921 Apartment 6C, right in front of Hook and Cattos. Last night Knuckhead was the lucky recipient of a three-some by a very tall Mulata girl and a fake blond in her early 30's, about 5-6 in looks. The apartment is "Jacksonian" in its looks but functional. The best part was the no-pressure offer of two girls for 45 minutes for 100 Pesos. It may not exactly win the Dickhead award for value mongering, but it IS pretty damn cheap. The Mulata girl was very surprisingly "tight", so thought Knuckhead the "Junior".
Went to SF 1707, last week. At first I could not tell what floor this apt was on so, I decided to check one floor at a time. I started on the top floor (I think it was the 5th but I'm not sure). As I made my way down the stairs I ran into a young man and I asked, if he knew of an apt in the building that had chicas "de compania". He told me the place I was looking for was located on the 3rd floor. When I got there, I rang the door bell, a gal opened the door and asked if I had been there before. She explained to me how the place worked they only had 3 gals. I picked Barbara. She was fairly attractive and seemed nice. When I got in the room Barbara told me it was $100 pesos for an hr. and $20 extra if I wanted a BBJ. All and all I had a great time. I got 2 pops in one hour. I was very satisfied with the services I received. I gave Barbara a tip and was not sorry for it. I plan on visiting this fine establishment on my next trip in June.
A post in a separate thread reminded me of the excellent selection and service I have had in this place on previous trips. On my January/February trip there was a line-up of nine girls.
All of them were eminently do-able, and probably 6 of them rivalled the best-looking girls I've seen working out of Black's.
That said, there can always be a dud or failure of chemistry. (See the posts about "Barbara.") This fortunately hasn't happened to me in this place, though.
-Uncle Otto
Otto--
I totally agree about the Santa Fe Apartment. Its a really good option in my book.
I was shocked at how doable these lasses were. The (daytime) line-ups that I saw usually featured 6 or 7 ladies---and I would be hard pressed to make my selection.
To be more exact--the girls at Santa Fe--easily compare or surpass the girls in the clubs (including blacks)
Is it a perfect establishment? No.
But as far as looks, prices and service (in my own experience) I was more than pleased.
I recommend taking the girls off site to your apartment. (I prefer this to calling up unknown, bait and switches on some of the web sites).
Price change at 1707!
This just in.....
Effective immediately, the 1/2 hour rate is no longer available at 1707 !
80 AR for 45 min. is the new minimum.
Too bad.......
David