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[QUOTE=Flsailor]but I don't loose my sleep for an extra 50 pesos if what I get in return is a very satisfying service.[/QUOTE]Here's the thing, Flsailor, they don't care that you paid an extra 50 pesos, they care that people paying "too much" will end up meaning that they will have to pay more. They look at the prices they used to pay two years ago and compare it to the prices they are paying today, see that many of the prices have more than doubled and begin looking around for someone to blame. The obvious scapegoat is the dim-witted, free-spending tourist who ruins things for the rest of them.
The truth is, though, that the price of just about everything has doubled (or more) the economy has stabilized a bit and chicas charge more. I've had my shit jumped in on more than one occasion because I paid an "outrageous" sum, when the whole encounter cost me less than many of the tips I've left in Europe. I particularly remembering catching hell for what I paid to Luciana (of Area-VIP) but the truth is I still look back on that session as one of the absolute best times I've had in the sack with a woman and here I'd have to pay in Euros what I paid there in Pesos. Ever notice that I don't post much anymore? It's because I like higher-end girls, am willing to pay more, offer "excessive" tips for superior service and generally get my dick taken for a serious ride. Why should I ruin my fantastic times by getting shit hurled at me here? It's too bad, too, because I have information that would be useful to some people here. I believe that Hunt's first rule of mongering is: the cock you please must be your own. Your cock was pleased so yippy ka yay!
Do 1000 Euro an hour girls ruin it for everyone who only wants to pay 100? Last time I checked you could still get shagged in a privado for p$60 and girls from Paraguay are still crossing the border in droves looking to make a couple of bucks. Flsailor is not to blame for prices increasing. Argentina is recovering economically and prices will continue to rise as long as the market can bear it. Do NOT let the people on this board jumping in your shit ruin your memories of a fantastic time.
[QUOTE=Sinistra]Okay. I'm Italian so my Spanish is pretty flawless (though I was educated in the United States) so I'm not sure that was the problem. I told her that I had noticed that her rates just a couple of months ago had been p$300 and that I didn't think that I should have to pay such a high price. She said that she, what were her exact words, something to the effect of "I'm not willing to work for that anymore."
Okay, at this point I'm told take it or leave it, so I took it. If this upsets the community, perhaps I shouldn't post anymore.[/QUOTE]Firstly, I have met flsailor - he will not be mistaken for a "tourista" or gringo by an opportunist provider. Whatever he paid - he paid because he wanted to pay that amount for whatever reason (s)
Secondly, the issue of relativity certainly comes into play here. I think everyone realizes and accepts that inflation is a part of South American life. However, Argentina has honed the art of taking advantage of not only the tourista, but their fellow countryman. The term opportunist needs to be inserted here. So where is the relativity here? This is the concept of feeling comfortable with "paying" based on where you live or spend most of your time. Make no mistake, the guys bitching about 200p here have surely paid 200 Dollars, Euros, or Pounds at some point in their lives.
It is human nature to always calculate the "relative price", based on where and how you earned your money. The cheaper things are in relative terms, the more we consume or the less carefully we scrutinize the price or both. Let's go back to the days of 1 Peso= 1 Dollar = 1.15 Euros. Do you really think the European guys were saying, "Wow what a deal 230 Euros in BsAs, for a 200 Euro provider at home"? Today these guys are paying 50 Euros in Buenos Aires, so of course they will consume more and at higher price points and with a more chivalry attitude. This is human nature or economic principles, you choose your term.
I think this is the point that chaffs the "local guys" (which includes guys that visit frequently): Only in Argentina will you find the business mindset that price and demand are unrelated. A street vendor will raise prices, only to kill his sales. Anywhere else in the world the vendor would fairly quickly reduce prices. Not here, the vendor will sit for six months wondering why business is so slow.
All parties have valid points here, however we are not simply dealing with demand driven inflation (nor lack of supply driven inflation) Argentina business mentality + chica mentality = interesting PhD thesis.
Thanks Sinistra for speaking out for Flsailor.
There are times, when it gets on my nerves that too many posts are only how 'cheap' the monger was able to get his happy hour and he doesn't like the fact that other people want (and can) spend more money. Yes, when prices are getting ruined for all of us that is bad, but when someone feels like paying some extra, so what. Let them have their fun and enjoy their time with the provider, who in return is much happier working. Seems like a win-win situation to me.
Jager.
[QUOTE=Sinistra]Here's the thing, Flsailor, they don't care that you paid an extra 50 pesos, they care that people paying "too much" will end up meaning that they will have to pay more. They look at the prices they used to pay two years ago and compare it to the prices they are paying today, see that many of the prices have more than doubled and begin looking around for someone to blame. The obvious scapegoat is the dim-witted, free-spending tourist who ruins things for the rest of them.
The truth is, though, that the price of just about everything has doubled (or more) the economy has stabilized a bit and chicas charge more. I've had my shit jumped in on more than one occasion because I paid an "outrageous" sum, when the whole encounter cost me less than many of the tips I've left in Europe. I particularly remembering catching hell for what I paid to Luciana (of Area-VIP) but the truth is I still look back on that session as one of the absolute best times I've had in the sack with a woman and here I'd have to pay in Euros what I paid there in Pesos. Ever notice that I don't post much anymore? It's because I like higher-end girls, am willing to pay more, offer "excessive" tips for superior service and generally get my dick taken for a serious ride. Why should I ruin my fantastic times by getting shit hurled at me here? It's too bad, too, because I have information that would be useful to some people here. I believe that Hunt's first rule of mongering is: the cock you please must be your own. Your cock was pleased so yippy ka yay!
Do 1000 Euro an hour girls ruin it for everyone who only wants to pay 100? Last time I checked you could still get shagged in a privado for p$60 and girls from Paraguay are still crossing the border in droves looking to make a couple of bucks. Flsailor is not to blame for prices increasing. Argentina is recovering economically and prices will continue to rise as long as the market can bear it. Do NOT let the people on this board jumping in your shit ruin your memories of a fantastic time.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jager]thanks Sinistra for speaking out for Flsailor.
There are times, when it gets on my nerves that too many posts are only how 'cheap'
Jager.[/QUOTE]It's because of people like you I keep my special friends to myself, with your carefree attitude of fuck you Jack I'll do as I please I don't promote the good chicas I find. This stops you hopefully paying them twice what I pay.
I like to spend 10-12 weeks a time in BsAs and with 100+ 'encounters' every extra 50 or 60 pesos it soon add's up.
So if I don't post those chica details ie club names, chicas name, price, what we did; I CAN'T GET ON YOUR NERVES
After all this Yakady Yak about Martina I called and set up an appointment today at three thirty.
She's located at Tucman 435 on the second floor in number #6, you must call first and make an appointment.
After my hand Job and prostrate massage we started talking about money and this is what she told me.
A message and "Hand Job" which includes prostrate massage plus a little "Beso Nigero" is $100 peso's. She told me I pay the same as everyone else. She also said that "Sexo" was more but didn't quote a number. (she's never up charged me for sexo, but there again I've only fucked her once or twice, Martina is strictly for hand jobs)
I'd told her I'd read complaints from the Amercano's that she was charging too much. She replied that her Amiga was charging what ever the traffic would bare not her.
So the bottom line is $100 peso's, if you want to fuck its going to be a little extra.
She a really sweet girl and I highly recommend her,
I gave her a $20 peso tip today, an extra $7 dollars from my Mongering budget, so the whole package was $40 US dollars.
Exon
[blue]Greetings everyone,
For the record, I'm inclined to agree with Sinistra and Jager in so much as it seems to me that there are a number of forum members who are obsessed with how little they can pay.
Someone on this forum recently posted a comment to the effect of "How does what I pay for a Mercedes effect what you pay for a Chevy?" I agree with this analogy. The real objective should be not to pay the Mercedes price for the Chevy, but chastising the Mercedes buyer because he didn't pay the Chevy price for his Mercedes is just ridiculous.
To refute another favorite argument: Does the Chevy dealer raise his prices because he heard what the Mercedes dealer is charging for the Mercedes? No. In addition, no matter what someone pays for a Mercedes, there will always be Chevys for sale at Chevy prices for those who don't see any difference between the Mercedes and the Chevy.
One final note: For those of you who think that what the foreigners pay establishes the market price for pussy in Argentina, let me remind you that everything here is designed to serve the local Argentinos, with foreigners accounting for perhaps 5% of the total volume. Hardly a cartel, I think.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Sinistra]
The truth is, though, that the price of just about everything has doubled (or more) the economy has stabilized a bit and chicas charge more. It's because I like higher-end girls, am willing to pay more, offer "excessive" tips for superior service and generally get my dick taken for a serious ride. I believe that Hunt's first rule of mongering is: the cock you please must be your own. Your cock was pleased so yippy ka yay![/QUOTE]Well stated. Label it what one will, but if I choose to pay a bit more to a chica, at times there is a social welfare component to it in that a reasonable to higher tip means a good deal to them. If one can afford to do so, you shouldn't feel guilty about it.
There is a two tiered system, when one Yanqui pays too much regardless of the model test driven, the price goes up for all Yanquis at that dealership. That being said, spend your money, and have fun. If you can't control what you pay please stay out of the lower end clubs. That way you get to pay what you wish for the quality you desire and those value mongers such as myself have a place to go as well.
[QUOTE=Jackson][blue]Greetings everyone,
For the record, I'm inclined to agree with Sinistra and Jager in so much as it seems to me that there are a number of forum members who are obsessed with how little they can pay.
Someone on this forum recently posted a comment to the effect of "How does what I pay for a Mercedes effect what you pay for a Chevy?" I agree with this analogy. The real objective should be not to pay the Mercedes price for the Chevy, but chastising the Mercedes buyer because he didn't pay the Chevy price for his Mercedes is just ridiculous.
To refute another favorite argument: Does the Chevy dealer raise his prices because he heard what the Mercedes dealer is charging for the Mercedes? No. In addition, no matter what someone pays for a Mercedes, there will always be Chevys for sale at Chevy prices for those who don't see any difference between the Mercedes and the Chevy.
One final note: For those of you who think that what the foreigners pay establishes the market price for pussy in Argentina, let me remind you that everything here is designed to serve the local Argentinos, with foreigners accounting for perhaps 5% of the total volume. Hardly a cartel, I think.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Flexible Horn]So if I don't post those chica details ie club names, chicas name, price, what we did; I CAN'T GET ON YOUR NERVES[/QUOTE]My issue isn't that people are "obsessed" with paying low prices, my issue is, and continues to be, the viciousness that is often on display. I had written several detailed reviews and ended up getting insulted or having it be implied that I'm an idiot. "Hey moron, there's a big glowing sign over your head that says 'take my money.'"
Consider this as well: do you really think what YOU pay affects the market? I'm sure lots of people use this board, but lots more don't. Assuming what you pay affects the market is like assuming who you vote for will elect the next president. If you vote or don't vote, monger or don't monger, you absolutely will not affect the end result.
But you say, if we all thought that way it would be bad. We need to all act together. A thought experiment: every last one of us bands together, we form a union and call ourselves the Brotherhood of Argentine Private Chica Fuckers. Members of BAPCF resolutely stay together, take a blood oath and never pay over p$100. Would this stop chica inflation? If you do, go read up on Nixon and how well his wage and price controls worked in stopping inflation. Artificially trying to keep prices down leads to both a decrease in the quality of product and a shortage of high quality product. I won't explain why, that's what wikipedia is for.
Also, do you really, honestly believe that it would actually keep prices down? There are probably more chicas just on platynum than there are people on this board that actually monger. Even lots of girls with horrible reviews are still in the business so mewling about one person's drop won't keep the bucket from overflowing.
As far as I can see, there are two reasons why we post on these boards: 1) out of the goodness of our sweet mongering hearts; 2) because it's fun to trade stories about our sexual exploits. We all claim the first, but let's be real here--there are very few choirboys or peace corps volunteers amongst us. When it stops being fun, people don't post.
Mongers-
First of all, I think that "old time" posters on this forum should definetly be more respectful to the "new" participants around here. These "new" participants are giving back by sharing information and experiences and should be respected for that. This is not a competition over who can get the lowest possible prices. There is an obvious general collective interest in mongers not overpaying in certain locations. The "flagship" clubs are so ridiculously overpriced today (Black, Madahos, La Lopez, Shampoo, etc. as a result of inflation, greed, and the influx of tourist dollars / euros that hardly anybody I know living in Buenos Aires full time (or is a frequent, long term visitor) frequents these places. The truth is that none of these skanks are worth more than $150 AR (absolute maximum $200 AR) and for me that is for all night long service (which means until I get sick of them) I do understand the short term visitor fresh off the plane from "sex prison" who has no problem dropping well over $400 AR all-in for an abbreviated, all-covered mechanical performance from a Madahos girl because it is likely so much better than what they probably getting from their fat, lazy, and old american wife. These types of guys reporting on these types of experiences helps other live and learn from them, so in my mind any report is a worthwhile report and as such guys should not be thrown under the bus for making what some view as "dumb" mistakes.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
First of all I would like to thank all the people who have taken the time to post. Before I went to BsAs for the 1st time in Feb. 2004 I spent hours reading the old board with a note pad listing anything of interest.
I have met some great guys in BsAs (some where even American) with our nightly meets at Exedra I have had some fantastic encounters with recommendations.
The board itself has saved me thousands of English pounds, enabling me to spend months here instead of weeks.
The many board members I have met have made my trips very enjoyable. I can't remember ever having any problems.
I spent alot of time with Daddy Rulz and Seaman last trip, two different but two good guys. I could probably list 20 or 30 board members who I spent time with including my old mate Exon! I honestly had time for all of them, all different in their mongering skills and in spending time with them you learn different ways to approach this hobby.
I'm not really into flame wars, there are 2 or 3 members who post, who I have not met or wish to meet who I just ignore. The information I post on the board is in my eyes to help anyone who cares to use the information.
I would not have thought I would have gone to 3 different hotels with Exon and others for afternoon 'English' tea, but by people posting their experiences I was interested, of course not everybodys cup of tea.
As for 'old time posters showing respect for newbies, I personally think for someones 1st post to say that people are getting on their NERVES, maybe should be showing a little respect for the old guard.
Just my 2 English pence.
[QUOTE=Dirk Diggler]Mongers-
First of all, I think that "old time" posters on this forum should definetly be more respectful to the "new" participants around here.
Dirk Diggler[/QUOTE]
One reason that some guys overpay is that they are not used to the concept of bargaining in commerce. In America, prices for most everything are pretty much set; there is no bargaining and deal-making at the market as there is in a lot of other countries.
That said, ignorance of and inexperience with bargaining may contribute to what is perceived as overpayment. For some guys, when a chica proposes a ridiculously high rate he might not even be aware that he can bargain, and gratefully accepts whatever rate is offered.
Remember, you are the consumer and how you spend your money is your choice. To paraphrase another poster, she needs your money a lot more than you need to get laid, so exercise those figurative purse strings as you see fit.
P. S. Jackson, perhaps a thread containing some useful bargaining phrases would be in order?
First of all I want to thanks those that have supported me. I never thought that a simple post would create such trouble. Yes, I am new to the board and just wanted to contribute given the many good reports that helped me to prepare for my trip. I come to Buenos Aires every 2-3 years to take care of personal business. During my sporadic visits I also try to 'have some fun'. Because my trips are short and don't have much time to play around, I don't mind paying a little more if I get a great service. However, I agree that paying the high prices in Madahos, New Port, etc. Does not make much sense and I do not visit such places. But, I do not attack those that like going there and spending that much money.
I understand that if you are here for several weeks and making mongering your primary activity, a little extra money here and there will add up by the time you leave.
Any of you have the right of not liking my approach.
But, if you are a monger that only wants to pay $100 you do not have the right to attack or insult those that think differently.
I have had a few other experiences since the one I posted here. Truly, I am still considering if I should report them given the reception I had with my first report.
I'd like to chime in for a little since I'm a budget guy and maybe it can help the others.
If you told anyone I know back home that I was a budget guy they would laugh. I can't even discuss my trips with anyone because they are so jealous and deprived here.
I just spent 25 days in BA and banged 31 girls for around $525 u$. I paid around $5000 for the whole trip which I think is a heck of a lot of money. I got alot for it but its still alot of money. My point is I spent all that and I was only banging low end chicas. If I had to spend above $50 U$ per session it would have been a totally different trip. A boring one.
Also for those guys that live in BA you might forget that $100 u$ for someone that is already settled there is one thing but on a vacation $100 can mean alot for some people. Id glady spend $100 in NYC.
The last few posters brought up some good points like being aware of where you are and pay accordingly for the benefit of everbody. I believe we can ruin it for ourselves if we don't follow guidlines. The chicas align with themselves men should too.
[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]There is a two tiered system, when one Yanqui pays too much regardless of the model test driven, the price goes up for all Yanquis at that dealership.[/QUOTE][blue]Hi DR,
Oh course this phenomenon exists to a certain extent, but I also believe that it's up to each individual to bull past any personal stereotype casting issues that they encounter in life.
A visitor armed with the collective knowledge of this forum should be able to mitigate the "Yanqui" factor.
A resident should already be experienced in circumventing the "Yanqui" factor entirely.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Flsailor] <major snip> I have had a few other experiences since the one I posted here. Truly, I am still considering if I should report them given the reception I had with my first report.[/QUOTE]Please don't deprive the majority of us of your reports because of the few negative reponsives you've gotten to your first report.
Bob
I want to second that - Flsailor and all others, the reports are valuable regardless of what others think. We should all respect each others approach, from the bargain to top-shelf approaches.
It was my first visit to BA a few weeks back. I benefited greatly from the forum so thanks to all for sharing.
I went out with this Brazilian chica from NewPort a few times. She asked for $300p but we settled on $250p for a couple of hours. What it cost me is irrelevant to the topic. What she shared with me is on topic.
She confirmed that she has a two tiered system: one for South Americans ($200p) and another for North Americans and Europeans ($300p) From us the minimum she will accpet is $250, and she prefers to go home alone than accept anything less from us. Her behavior with other men on nights she was not with me supported her words.
Her argument was that a few years ago before the crash our cost of entertainment was $200US ($200p) Nowadays our cost of entertainment should be the same $200US ($600P) Based on this logic she thinks she is already giving us a deep discount at $300p.
This same argument should apply for men from other South American countries but it doesn't. Maybe because they speak spanish.
[QUOTE=Gipse]Her argument was that a few years ago before the crash our cost of entertainment was $200US ($200p) Nowadays our cost of entertainment should be the same $200US ($600P) Based on this logic she thinks she is already giving us a deep discount at $300p.
This same argument should apply for men from other South American countries but it doesn't. Maybe because they speak spanish.[/QUOTE] Did you remind her that her " goods " have aged during these past five years. And that there is a boatload of new talent coming fresh from Brazil and Paraguay and the Argentine provinces willing to fuck for 150 pesos?
Sometimes these old chicks really need a reality check,
Bad
[QUOTE=Badboy13]Did you remind her that her " goods " have aged during these past five years. And that there is a boatload of new talent coming fresh from Brazil and Paraguay and the Argentine provinces willing to fuck for 150 pesos?
Sometimes these old chicks really need a reality check,
Bad[/QUOTE]Great post and wise negotiation lesson.
I would like to add an experiment in theory which is collective negotiation: If the same amount of mongers, or at least a big proportional % get into a club and collectively negotiate for the same amount of girls, the mongers would (in theory) obtain a flat reduced rate, all you have to do it's to attack certain clubs the same day at the same time. This (again in theory) could work in Orleans, salome, hook. The proposal is basically: Do you girls accept this flat fee we have, and all of you will get clientele, otherwise we mongers will move to another boliche. The only problem here could be an undercover traitor who offers a little more for a hot stunning special girl, and the extra amount offered keeps secretley agreed.
Same thing, but the opposite happens in the boliche, there will be always a girl more interested into doing business than others. The girls agreed a fee to protect their business, but there is always a traitor-girl who will accept a less money because she doesn't have a stable clientele, perhaps she is new, or she is not very graced. After all, girls are there to make money, they only pretend they don't care.
I am astonished how Flexible Horn reacted to Fsailor and my comments. Good to see that Jackson is still right on with his judgment after all those years. I like very much his car dealer ship comparison. Let the people drive and pay for whatever cars they want.
I am also glad to see that people tried to defend a newer member, which I am actually not, posted as a senior member under a different name (had to change)
Flexible Horn, change your attitude, and don't worry you will still find your bargains somewhere.
Jager.
[QUOTE=Flexible Horn]It's because of people like you I keep my special friends to myself, with your carefree attitude of fuck you Jack I'll do as I please I don't promote the good chicas I find. This stops you hopefully paying them twice what I pay.
I like to spend 10-12 weeks a time in BsAs and with 100+ 'encounters' every extra 50 or 60 pesos it soon add's up.
So if I don't post those chica details ie club names, chicas name, price, what we did; I CAN'T GET ON YOUR NERVES[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jager]I am astonished how Flexible Horn reacted to Fsailor and my comments. Good to see that Jackson is still right on with his judgment after all those years. I like very much his car dealer ship comparison. Let the people drive and pay for whatever cars they want.
I am also glad to see that people tried to defend a newer member, which I am actually not, posted as a senior member under a different name (had to change)
Flexible Horn, change your attitude, and don't worry you will still find your bargains somewhere.
Jager.[/QUOTE]Lets just see if I have this correct, I post details of a good session with a favourite chica; ie Club name, chicas name, price, time, intimate details.
Then Bobby bigshot comes along overpays the said chica and fucks it up for me next time and when I complain I'm getting on his nerves.
Then he is 'astonished' and tells me to change my attitude and not to worry.
Well Mr bigshot, don't patronize me, pay what ever you like, do as those other pricks did and buy the chicas a car then your be a really bigbig shot, it's your money afterall.
I just will not post anymore details of good sessions so people like you can not fuck it up for people like me.
FH is right! Some of you have the attitude that we are cheap skates and decide you can just throw your money around. "So what if I give her an extra 20,30 40 US? It's no big deal!" this is like you are selling pizza and someone comes and gives you twice the price you were asking before. Would you want to sell it to the next person for the same price. NO WAY. You now want to sell it for the new price. For the guys FH is talking about, if you want to burn your money please stick to Madahos or Black. On a trip in 2005 I snagged a really nice little girl from Madahos for 175 AR. Now I read on the board that they all will want at least 300 AR. What gives? Yes prices have gone up due to inflation but just not that much. You can go to the privado on Viamonte for 80AR for an hour and get anything on the menu. Now at Madahos there is an entrance fee, your drinks, the chica's drinks, the chica, one hour of probably basic sex at best. You are just below 500 AR! So when I return to BA this fall I will just get my takeout from the privado and stay away from the clubs. That is unless I bump into FH and we compare notes since I am not going to burn my money. In closing Jackson is right, people can pay what they want to. However, I guarantee the second you increase what you are paying this quickly becomes the new price and it becomes set in stone.
[QUOTE=Snowbird]. On a trip in 2005 I snagged a really nice little girl from Madahos for 175 AR. Now I read on the board that they all will want at least 300 AR. What gives? Yes prices have gone up due to inflation but just not that much. You can go to the privado on Viamonte for 80AR for an hour and get anything on the menu. Now at Madahos there is an entrance fee, your drinks, the chica's drinks, the chica, one hour of probably basic sex at best. You are just below 500 AR! So when I return to BA this fall I will just get my takeout from the privado and stay away from the clubs.[/QUOTE][blue]And yet Madahos and it's competitor twin La Lopez are packed every night, largely with affluent Argentinos who apparently are willing to pay these prices.
The driving forced behind these gradual price increases is the [u]local market demand[/u]. The Argentine economy has been improving, more Argentinos have money to spend, the domestic demand for chica services in the more upscale markets is up, and thus these chicas have raised their prices like the good little capitalists that they are.
My point is: Stop blaming the price increases on the tourists who in effect comprise a relatively small percentage of the market.
The good news is that demand spurs production and supply, and there are chicas arriving in Retiro every day looking for work, so I think that there is always going to be something here for every price point.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
If foreigners do not impact pricing then why did Costa Rica pricing go up as more foreigners went there? Almost everyone that regularly travels to CR states that CR has gone downhill and prices went up due to Americans and other foreigners.
When I have visited the clubs (both Triangle and Recoleta) I have noticed what appears to be quite a number of foreigners (Asians and Europeans mostly) per capita, and with their greater spending power even compared to the 'rich' Argentinos, they obviously can have a big impact.
I think there are people that refuse to admit the reality that we can have an impact-despite the CR experience. In BA with all the international businesses and international travelers they can have an impact (however I do not think the other Argentina cities are so impacted since there are much fewer INTL businesses and visitors, per capita) It is the same mentality that refuses to admit to Global Warming-we can't possible be the cause. This seems to be a justification to avoid having to admit to being the cause of the problem. To avoid accepting any responsibility-which is all the rage now in our society.
I would like to see the stats/article of that "relatively small percentage" of the market. What article or study supports that claim? The change in CR pricing is one piece of evidence indicating the opposite to be true.
Suerte.
Stowe
Lets start by saying this "Topic" is almost as popular as Global Warming - but not quite. Ironically, the real sticking point seems to be the guys bragging about how much they have paid (overpaid) not how little some have paid ("the cheap skates")
Can we agree on two premises here:
- It is your dick and your money, do with them both as you please.
- This "Board" exists for the benefit of it's users. That means providing information about services and products (chicas, restaurants, resident visas, etc...) - presumably with the idea of maximizing quality while minimizing price.
[QUOTE=Jackson][blue]Someone on this forum recently posted a comment to the effect of "How does what I pay for a Mercedes effect what you pay for a Chevy?" I agree with this analogy. The real objective should be not to pay the Mercedes price for the Chevy, but chastising the Mercedes buyer because he didn't pay the Chevy price for his Mercedes is just ridiculous.[/blue][/QUOTE]I do not recall too much criticism of the Big Spenders operating in the high-end Recoleta clubs. If guys want to drop 400-600p - go for it! How many times have you read from various "Cheap Skate" posters, "Please confine your overpaying activities to the Recoleta clubs (Madahos, Blacks, etc.". This is absolutely correct, confine your spending habits to the appropriate locale. The criticism has come when guys are paying $150 USD for 150p service. Because they either don't know any better or it makes them feel good to throw their money around. Today a new poster states he paid 300p + 40p propina. 40p propina for what I wanted to ask? The service must have been special, or he comes from a society where 15% is the norm - I. E. He doesn't know that this is a society that tips very little.
[QUOTE=Jackson][blue]To refute another favorite argument: Does the Chevy dealer raise his prices because he heard what the Mercedes dealer is charging for the Mercedes? No. In addition, no matter what someone pays for a Mercedes, there will always be Chevys for sale at Chevy prices for those who don't see any difference between the Mercedes and the Chevy.[/blue][/QUOTE]There are inherent differences in the cost of production of Chevys and Mercedes. Do you want to make an argument for the differences in the cost of production of a 50p privado snatch and the 500p Madahos snatch? I think you get the point - the difference in pricing is totally based on natural assets and the chicas level of self-esteem and confidence, with the later being more influential.
I think you have forgotten Rules of Chicaland #7: The value of her services is determined by the most she was ever paid by anyone for anything for any amount of time, plus a cost-of-living increase. Of course, The exception to this is if she knows, or knows of, or has heard of (see rule 2) a friend who once was paid more then that, in which case her value is that figure plus the percentage increase because her friend is just a puta and not worth as much as she is!
[QUOTE=Jackson][blue]One final note: For those of you who think that what the foreigners pay establishes the market price for pussy in Argentina, let me remind you that everything here is designed to serve the local Argentinos, with foreigners accounting for perhaps 5% of the total volume. Hardly a cartel, I think.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]Do we live in the same Buenos Aires? I think not! The next time you are walking around or happen to be in a restaurant, look at the signs in the windows that say: Dollars=3.3 pesos Euros=4.4 pesos. Are these not evidence of how influential the foreigner is. Your number of 5% may be accurate, BUT that 5% can heavily influence the pricing structure. Example: Let's say 10,000 Albanians visit BsAs every year. They just happen to be willing to pay double the normal going rate. Rest assured that all future Albanians will be quoted and charged double. There is also a carry over "association effect" to ALL non-Portenos. Even Spanish speaking tourists are taken for a pricing ride. All pricing feels upward pressure, which forces the Porteno to either pay-up or move to a lower pricing level of service.
With regards to your comments about the chicas being the "good little capitalists that they are", do you believe that they will lower their prices during the next economic downturn or crisis?
[QUOTE=Stowe]If foreigners do not impact pricing then why did Costa Rica pricing go up as more foreigners went there? Almost everyone that regularly travels to CR states that CR has gone downhill and prices went up due to Americans and other foreigners.[/QUOTE][blue]Yes, I agree with your summary of what happened in Costa Rica, where the business is designed to serve the foreigners (mostly Americans) who comprised 90+% of the market.
That's not the situation here in Buenos Aires, and I doubt that it ever will be for a number of reasons, including that it's too far from the USA and there's no beach.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Alan23]With regards to your comments about the chicas being the "good little capitalists that they are", do you believe that they will lower their prices during the next economic downturn or crisis?[/QUOTE][blue]Yes, of course. It's supply and demand. It's happened in the past and it will happen again in the future[/blue]
[QUOTE=Alan23] The criticism has come when guys are paying $150 USD for 150p service.[/quote][blue]As I've said repeatedly, the goal is to avoid paying the Mercedes price for a Chevy, not to avoid the Mercedes altogether.[/blue]
[QUOTE=Alan23]. The difference in pricing is totally based on natural assets and the chicas level of self-esteem and confidence, with the later being more influential.[/quote][blue]The selection of a sexual partner is subjective, and certainly there are guys out there who prefer and will pay more for a chica that has what he preceives are better "natural assets" and who may exhibit more "self-esteem and confidence".[/blue]
[QUOTE=Alan23]Let's say 10,000 Albanians visit BsAs every year. They just happen to be willing to pay double the normal going rate. Rest assured that all future Albanians will be quoted and charged double.[/QUOTE][blue]As I've said before, it's up to each individual (in this case the Albanians) to overcome any stereotyping prejudices in which they may encounter in life.[/blue]
[QUOTE=Jackson][blue]Yes, of course. It's supply and demand. It's happened in the past and it will happen again in the future[/blue][/QUOTE]Yes, of course. This is basic economics, and it applies here like everywhere else. The price police arguments all diminish the negociating power of the customer. Of course the girls want 300p, 600p, whatever they can get! But every individual transaction is the result of tension between how much the customer needs it versus how much the provider needs the money. These are the supply and demand curves that set price. Any customer willing to walk away from too high a price will soon get to the true market price.
DS
These chicas can be strange though, at Cattos one night I hit this girl at 150P and she said I was an American and had to pay 100 dollars, after I stopped laughing I told her again I was living there and I would pay 100 dollars if I could fuck her in the ass while she ate her girlfriend but I wasn't paying more than 150 P for her. I pointed out that the bar was empty and it was getting late, did she want to get the 150 or maybe nothing. She went and sat down at a table in the back for the next hour and made nothing. It was weird, pride got involved I reckon. Not the first time I have seen that happen, I've seen it at Exedra a gozillion times.
Good news was that sick fuck Flexible Horn fucked that girl at a later time for 150P (I negotiated the deal, I asked her if she wanted to earn or go sit in the back again like an idiot for an hour) and he reported that she was an absolute disaster in the cama.
[QUOTE=Darkstar]Yes, of course. This is basic economics, and it applies here like everywhere else. The price police arguments all diminish the negociating power of the customer. Of course the girls want 300p, 600p, whatever they can get! But every individual transaction is the result of tension between how much the customer needs it versus how much the provider needs the money. These are the supply and demand curves that set price. Any customer willing to walk away from too high a price will soon get to the true market price.
DS[/QUOTE]
As an occasional visitor to Buenos Aires and as someone looking forward to a 2-month stay next year I have found a lot of the information posted in these forums fascinating and useful, (Thank you, Jackson) However, given the fluctuation of currencies it would be really interesting to have an update of what working chicas expect in different scenarios.
Would any of my fellow mongers care to provide an update?
Below is a direct quote from TL in mid may. 2011 in the deranged chica's forum on the special deals that he gets for his clients:
I digress but the point lost in my ramble is that there are Clients that only monger 1 or 2 times a year so they don't know or don't care about paying too much!
Sure, it fucks it up for the guys that live here in BA!
Or the guys that come here often!
And more power to the girls that can hook one of those infidels!
We have to pay these girls but hey have to FUCK us which I can imagine ain't!
That's all weekend long boys!
So hey man, allow the Chicas to overcharge if they can get it!
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TL was a wonderful guide who i recommended in the recent past. It is my responsibility to update his view of the "value" of his special connections with the local ladies and how he guides and protects whose who pay him to act as a tour guide.
The 800 pesos lady in question worked at gysell's apartment about one year ago when she received after commissions about 200 to 225 pesos per hour. through his skill and cunning TL is able to get his special clients a price only 4X's higher. Well there is inflation in argentina. the price of beef has doubled, but the price of his special chicas has has been specially set by him at a very reasonable level.
happy mongering and hears hoping that TL performs there service that he is capable of providing
[QUOTE=Flaxmariner; 411549]As an occasional visitor to Buenos Aires and as someone looking forward to a 2-month stay next year I have found a lot of the information posted in these forums fascinating and useful, (Thank you, Jackson) However, given the fluctuation of currencies it would be really interesting to have an update of what working chicas expect in different scenarios.
Would any of my fellow mongers care to provide an update? [/QUOTE]Read my reports on this thread about a month ago.
"Up to date Chica pricing"
Mongers-
The magic number at the high end is still $100 USD. Do not pay more than this under any circumstances as ALL publicly available hookers in Buenos Aires will go for this price. No matter what the USD / ARS exchange rate is, all working girls in Buenos Aires look at renting their pussy for $100 USD as a worthwhile and acceptable use of their time. Naturally, you may be able to negotiate for less depending upon venue, age / quality of the girl, etc but the high end creme de le creme will want $100 USD.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
In San Miguel, Las Malvinas, Polverines area the prices in the boliches is $150 to $200 a hour with room. Some of these places are a little dirty but some such as Imagina in San Miguel ($150) are spotless. Some places have a $10 to 20p cover charge. Chica drinks are around $50 and up.
[QUOTE=Rock Harders; 417477]Mongers-
The magic number at the high end is still $100 USD. Do not pay more than this under any circumstances as ALL publicly available hookers in Buenos Aires will go for this price. No matter what the USD / ARS exchange rate is, all working girls in Buenos Aires look at renting their pussy for $100 USD as a worthwhile and acceptable use of their time. Naturally, you may be able to negotiate for less depending upon venue, age / quality of the girl, etc but the high end creme de le creme will want $100 USD.
Suerte,
Rock Harders[/QUOTE]I agree with RH's post above.
My only comment is that their are still chicks in BA (creme de le creme) , quality (9/10) , age group 24-26, excellent height, pretty face, nice slim body etc who would fuck for the price 350 pesos.
Yes, of course you can also get them for 400 pesos or 800 pesos.
But if you do your home work on current inflation 350 pesos, their are some chicks of the quality mentioned above, who are available for this price.
I want to point out further that as these chicks start meeting more and more sex tourists, their price starts going higher form 350 pesos to say 450 pesos and further.
The one who are least exposed to sex tourists and generally catering to Argentines &/or college girls just supporting their education working for agents oblivious of market prices sell themselves for 350 pesos directly or via the agents. The agents naturally keep the price lower to get the maximum sales. After all, the body of the girl is being abused NOT the agents. These college going girls (some of them) are so so starved for money and so shy of what they are doing, just play on the agents hands. These college girls prefer to be anonymous. The agents only send them to homes or to hotels once the name of the client is confirmed so that the girl does not end up meeting someone from her social circle.
Trust you guys would play your game well and save your hard earned money for maximum exploits.
I reiterate. DO NOT pay 800 pesos for 1 hour to any girl.
Yes. 400 pesos / 450 pesos can be paid but remember, at the moment the best price is 350 pesos.
Finally, if you end up in a boliche like Black or Madhaos. These prices quoted above don't work.
The prices quoted work better for women whom you meet first time in a day time either directly or via a agent or in a privado. Some times I have met stunners in privado selling themselves for 200 pesos several times a day. Set up personal deals with them and had them spending a entire off day (7-8 hrs) with me for 350 pesos. Just a example.
I have randomly ordered girls to my apartment via the agent and ended up having absolutely gorgeous girls walking in my apartment giving me the fuck of the week and just charging 300-350 pesos. Just another example.
Have had some rich Argentine friends set me up girls from their black book. Amazing experiences. Just another example.
Enough hints for you guys to get a head start.
P.S : Sometimes when you do have a 9/10 kind of non-regular girl in your bed..the kind of girl who is gorgeous but not fucking 10 clients a week or someone who is just doing for occasional money..it helps to put on a good show. Good smell, clean body, good manners, clean apartment go a long way. Do not expect her to behave like your slave just because you are spending money. This hold particularly for non regular girls. Personal chemistry goes a long way for repeated excellent experiences with any girl and especially the non -regular girls. Hope this helps.