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Mar Del Plata is a resort town 5 hours south by train from Buenos Aires (45 minute by plane).....It looks sort of like the French City of nice--but a little worse for wear (in a good way, though) People are extremely European and sophisticated. Streets brimming with stores (must be 700 internet cafes in the downtown area.) Excellent, dirt cheap restaurants. Nice golf course. Great beaches.
The ultimate place to visit is a bar called Mallojos (unsure of spelling) It is only one block south of the Brand New 5 star Sheraton Hotel.
Tons of quality girls (its like a mini-help, in my mind's eye). Approximately 40 babes all on the program. Mosty 7s, 8s A few 9s, the occasional 10. (Also some 5s thrown in to the bargain).
Starting rate to take the girl out is 150 pesos (girls will always accept 100 pesos) plus two exit drinks.
There are a few other spots in MDP but none that compare to Mallojos.
Is the Sheraton girl-friendly?
Larry,
Firstly, hats off to ya for some splendidly informative posts.
I'm heading to argentina in september for couple of weeks. After reading many many posts, I've decided to ditch RIO (crime scene sounds too heavy) and go with BA and MDP.
Is september too much 'off peak' to pick up chicas in either place?
secondly, is MDP crime free? i'm not turned on by being robbed in the street. can you recommend any good hotels which are girl friendly in MDP?
Thirdly, does MDP have any massage/sauna type places where chicas can be had?
Many thnx in advance.
Answers to your questions
The Sheraton is absolutely girl friendly. So is the Hotel Manantiales. (I stayed at the Sherton in March and had several girls up to my room. The Sherton is pricey however (by Argentinian standards. It is however a fantastic, 5 star (?) hotel, nicer than any Sheraton I've ever stayed at in the states). Truthfully, you're better off staying at Hotel Manantiales. (You can get a 1 bedroom apartment with a kitchen and balcony on the 25th floor looking over the ocean.
On the Plus side, the Sheraton is directly across from the Golf Course and only 1 block 75 yards from a fantastic(!) hobby bar called Malojacos (spelling?).
I absolutely adored Mar Del Plata. Found it very safe. The cab drivers are outstandingly amiable and honest to a fault.
The commercial area of MDP is great fun--filled with energy and tons of shops (hundreds of internet cafes) feels very much like Italy of the South of France. Movie theaters, outdoor cafes by the hundreds. This is in no way shape or form a one horse town. You can walk for miles and miles in the commercial district and be amazed at how pleasant the place is.
The newspaper girls are very cheap (though can be hit or miss!)
The bar girls at Maljacos (!) will drive you wild. Honest to god--I can't stop thinking about Mar Del Plata....
It has the beautiful women of Buenos Aires but in a resort like setting. If I had to choose where I would go next in the world:
Rio, Sao Paulo, BA or MDP. I would rank MDP number 1. That's how crazy I am about the place.
Don't get me wrong--there are areas that are a little run down, the streets are cracked, there are some stray doggies lopping about and because of the argentinian economy the city could be in better shape. But aside from that--it is a wonderful place.
The Beaches are fantastic. (visit the South Beaches) And the girls are stunning. The overall attitude is extremely laid back.
I'm a very restless sort and get sick of places extremely fast. (Was recently in the DR and was ready to get the hell out of their after 5 days of so). But Mar Del Plata was a dream. You could easily spend a month there without it getting stale.
Last note--the regular girls that walk around the city are spectacular. They all look Italian. (They don't even look like latinas) They have beautiful brown skin and blue eyes. What specimens! I would go on a walk about and just about trip over my tongue at the stunning chicks! No exageration. In an hour you will see--hundreds of beautiful girls.
Can't really say what your chances are at hooking up with regular girls. (This isn't the DR).
Are there many girls available in Mar Del Plata during these winter months? Or do they only come into this resort town for the summer months?
Sorry Hulk cant tell you 100% if all the girls are there in JUNE? JULY and AUGUST---I was there in March.
I can tell you that every chica i was with lived there full time year round.
I would definitely go there in the argentine winter.
On the other hand-- i have never been there in the summer but i sense that its very crowded in the summer for my tastes.
to LA Larry.
Brasil (Rio in particular) had been my favourite destination for years : now, I am planning a trip to Argentina....
All of you guys, know how easy is getting GFE in Brasil : it is plenty
of free-lancers (Mostly amateurs) ; you can get them at reasonable price, 90% are all-nighters and even day-activity offers a good variety of choices.
Beaches are filled with amateurs and when not interested in scoring with them, you can have a good time anyway... drinking, chating, etc..
Rio (But not only) has free-lancers "facilities" like "Help" or beaches in front of "Rio Othon" and "Le Meridien".
To make a long story short : the scene in Argentina seems to be much more professional than Rio, Fortaleza, etc... : now, short time "sessions" are not my cup of tea, but it seems that in Argentina most of the chicas go for short rounds (1-2 hours), especially in BA.
What's your opinion ? Would you recommend to stay in a Hotel or apartment? Have you ever tried Area Vip Escort Agency?
Thanks and Regards
mro:
This year alone I've made six trips down to BA on business. I've also traveled to both Rio and Sao Paulo very frequently on business for the last three years. Even though I travel on business, I still manage to hook up with girls almost every day in both countries.
I'd agree with your impression that girls in Argentina are more pro-oriented than Brazilian girls. Yes, you can find a GFE in Argentina, but it is more readily available in Brazil. And while a BBBJ (which I strongly prefer) is not standard practice in Argentina, it is readily available in Brazil.
Because I've been to both countries so much, I've also gone to regular non-pro discos, clubs, and bars. And in my experience, the friendliness and chance of scoring with non-pro girls has been much higher in Brazil.
This has been my experience in BA. I've never been to Mar Del Plata but have a big interest in going partly because I suspect the girls might not be as pro-oriented as in BA.
As far as hotel vs. apartment, I'd suggest a hotel. In BA, even the highest class hotels will allow guests into your room. As you probably know this is not the case in Rio, where an apartment is the way to go. In Sao Paulo I've also found that the best hotels will also allow guests without a problem.
Can anyone else that has been in Mar Del Plata give me a detailed overview on the scene there? I know right now it is their off season, but I'm planning an extensive trip towards the end of the year to BA and Mar Del Plata and want up to date and accurate information.
ACCURATE information like good hotels that are truly nice with good rooms and importantly BEDS. Good staff, etc.
Good clubs with the names of them, directions, etc. What type of girls were there?
Also, if anyone knows of any other cities that are worth going to near the water that is prettier than MDP. I'm game. I just don't want to waste valuable days in other cities if the action isn't comparable to BA.
Keep me posted. Thanks.
LA Larry
RE: Truthfully, you're better off staying at Hotel Manantiales. (You can get a 1 bedroom apartment with a kitchen and balcony on the 25th floor looking over the ocean.
After reading about all the great tales of hobbyin' in Argentina, I'm lusting for a trip. I'm thinking late November/ early December or late January/early February. Any preferences between the two periods weather wise or holiday/festival wise?
How safe is the 5 hour train ride? By that I mean it's route (considering current economic times) as well as the safety of one's self and luggage. Are the trains similar to Euro trains where you're luggage is overhead and you don't dare fall asleep or it may not be there later? Approximately what would one expect to pay for a round trip train ride compared to a flight?
Where is the Hotel Manantiales in relation to the Sheraton and what star rating would you give it? Any ideas on the rates? 700 Internet cafes? How large is MDP? And by European and sophisticated should one take it to mean that people in MDP tend to dress rather fashionable. And how does this compare to Buenos Aires? I don't wish to be seen as impolite or the tacky tourist.
How would you split your time between BA and MDP for either a one week or two week trip?
Thank you in advance for your thoughts!
Hello from Mar del Plata!
Thank you Larry. This place is terrific. It´s a great place to visit (very European) and the Madajos pub (next to Sheradon) is every bit as good as you said it would be. Thanks again. Guys like you make it easy for the rest of us.
Let me also give kudos to Mayra at argentinago.com. She made all the arrangements for me and they went off without a hitch. She had a nice ride (not a shit hack taxi) pick me up at my apartment and take me to Newberry airport (14 pesos). At the other end she also had a decent ride take me to the Manantiales for 12 pesos.
I flew to MDP on a commuter prop from LAPA airlines. It only seated about 20 to 22 so it sure as hell is no 747 but I still thought it was safe. They said the plane was a Gulfstream J31. If you book this flight with Mayra get an A seat (not a B or C seat). The airport at MDP is not big so I´m not sure if you can book a flight on a larger plane but I gotta believe something bigger than a 22 seater flys in and out of there. The flight lasted 55 minutes and was uneventful.
The ride from the airport to the Manantiales lasted about 20 minutes. The Manantiales is not the Sheradon but it is still a nice place (small apartments) to stay at and a good value at 36 US dollars per night. The Manantiales has two towers (like the old World Trade Center) and Im at the Luna tower on the 22nd floor. Great view. They orginally put me on the 5th floor but that has a terrible view so I asked to be changed and they said ok. If your going to stay at the Manantiales get something on at least the 15 floor or higher. Also, each floor is divided into an A, B, C, or D apartment. The A and B have better views than the C or D.
I checked out the Sheradon yesterday and Larry is right. First rate with a great view of the golf course and the ocean. They quoted me a price of 110.00 US dollars per night. That may have been their gringo rate though. I cant help but believe that Mayra could get it for less. I also checked out another 5 star hotel called the Costa Galana. They wanted about 200 pesos per night. Nice place. Again, I think Mayra could get it for less.
The Madajos pub next to the Sheradon opens at 11 PM but your better off waiting till after midnight before going there. Thats when most of the girls are there. They stay open to 5 AM. There is an excellant selection to choose from. However, language was somewhat of a problem for me. Of the girls I talked to none of them spoke better than a poor english. Obviously, knowing Spanish would be a of tremendous assistance but since we all know the purposes of such places achieving my objective was never in doubt. If you have a pulse and a few pesos you will score and big.
The girl I finally ended up with was a girl who called herself Rosemary. She was a blond from Brazil but she is not the one Larry recommened to me in an earlier post. I do not know how a girl can get much prettier than Rosemary. Her face was a flat out 10 and her body an 8. Beautiful eyes. I would rate her attitude and service at about an 8. She gave me a BBBJ and covered conventional sex (no anal) for about an hour. She then proceeded to give me a great massage. I paid 186 pesos total but that included several extra drinks for me, 2 drinks for the girl, and 100 pesos for Rosemary. GREAT VALUE and GREAT SERVICE. I cant waite to get back tonight as there are several other ladies there that I am extremely interested in. Two days is not enough.
If it is at all possible I will paly some golf this afternoon. The course by the Sheardon is looking pretty good. Temperatures today is suppose to be about 55 and the wind is not too bad.
Notes and observations:
I ran into my first instance of anti-americanism yesterday. I heard a gringo comment directed toward me in a store. Considering the economic situation here and Secretary O´Neils comments I´m surprised there is not more of it. The vast majority of people here have been great.
Toosh!
Hey buddy. GREAT post. That is exactly what I wanted to hear. I especially appreciate the details about the hotel. Can you tell me if the Manantiales has nice beds? What else are the positives/negatives of the hotel. From the fact that you wanna switch hotels tells me that it might not be ideal for a lot of us that are pickier about our hotels.
I'm sure that you're right about Mayri being able to get cheaper prices. I talked to her on the phone the other day for about 1 1/2 hours. She's very, very friendly. Heck, even if I got the exact same price quote from a hotel I'd still use her because you never know when you're gonna need to plan for a bigger trip like this. (mayra@argentinago.com).
Toosh, judging from the price of the hotel i would guess it's probably what a 2-3 star hotel at best?? Keep the reports coming. Thanks in advance! Have fun and stay safe.
Saint
P.S. Do you know what the comment was that they said about you? Maybe you were with his daughter last night....Ha, ha.
Toosh,
You get a gold star. Your post on MDP is top flight, ******.
I am traveling the last two weeks of December for a
little mongering. My last trip of this kind was in 1994 to San Jose, Costa Rica. I enjoyed myself and availed myself of a sizable number of attractive young women. However, they were primarily 6-8 's. BA seems loaded with 8-10's ....and that peaks my interests .
So what's my quandry???
1#I'm undecided between Havana,Cuba and BA.
I would be very interested in any of you , my compadres ,sharing your info comparing these two.
2# Which of the three recommended mongering hotels [Artsuites, Designsuites, Etouile} would you guys advise?
[ I know Saint is unhappy with Etoiule's beds. ]
3#Lastly, my Spanish is pathetic, what system/method would you guys recommend ?
Rickster
Puma,
I can't speak for other members but Mayra (Mayri) is not naive. She knows why so many of us Americans go down to BA. And you know what? She doesn't care one bit. She isn't judgemental and has an open attitude about our activities so don't be shy to talk to her about hotels being "chica friendly" or anything else associated with the hobby.
Rickster,
Havana also peaks my interest tremendously. I have talked to a few guys that have been going to Cuba and they love it. Cuba is more of a 'cat and mouse' type of deal since prostitution is officially illegal there. The police don't bother tourists but the chicas can get into some big trouble if they are caught. You gotta go out and seek the girls in Cuba but I have seen several pictures and the prices and quality seems to be there. The other problem in Cuba is that it's technically illegal to go to Cuba if you are a US citizen. I'm taking the steps needed to try to go legitimately. I'm planning a trip with a buddy in February but I might try to sneak away in November for a few days.
I really think knowing Spanish is essential with a destination like Cuba. There are tons of books, internet sites, etc. available. A good one is located at the link below. Go through the various lessons they have. They seem to be very helpful. I enrolled in a Spanish class and this page has all of the same material we have been going through and it is free. The books alone for my class were over $150 not to mention the cost of the classes. Good luck!
[url]http://spanish.about.com/library/beginning/bl-beg-index.htm?PM=ss11_spanish[/url]
I'm not sure if there is a "best way" to learn Spanish. A key component is learning vocabulary. I know some guys that get by in Latin American countries with knowing the key verbs and vocabulary and most importantly the number system. First thing you should get down is the numbers. It's fairly easy to get down 1 - 1000.
What I did after my first BA trip was to enroll in an intensive Spanish class (3 hours each night for a month - after work). I went out and bought all these little books that helped. Go to a bookstore like Barnes & Noble, etc. There are little paperback books like: "1001 Most Useful Spanish Words" by Seymour Resnick; "Essential Spanish Grammar" (same author); 1001 Pitfalls in Spanish by Marion Holt. Then I went to Officemax and bought a ton of notecards. I memorize 30 words each day. I'm up to about 3,000 words but it starts getting difficult once you get to a certain level. Spanish isn't as easy as you would think.
Saint,
As always, your post was right on the money ....especially regarding the Spanish lessons. I plan to take your kind advice.
I must say after reading the WSG archives about Cuba it seems to offer a readily available GFE. That's a powerful incentive in itself.
These are the kinds of problems I enjoy having......too many excellent choices.
viva la WSG,
Rickster
Sunday in Mar Del Plata.
This afternoon I played golf at the Mar del Plata golf course in front of the Sheradon. It is not an easy course. The course is very hilly and the greens are sneaky fast. Add to that a strong wind and I thought I did well to shoot an 85 for the first time I played it. The cost to play and to rent clubs was 55 pesos. I believe that was the gringo price. Where they really put the screws to me was on the balls. The wanted 5 pesos a ball and it is very easy to lose balls on this course. I am not a fan of dragging clubs threw the airport so I doubt if I will bring my clubs but the next time I come I will bring shoes and golf balls. Had a great time playing and the view of the Argentine sea was great.
After the round of golf I phoned Mari from the Madaho´s Pub (same thing as Madajos). I got her phone number on Saturday night. On looks she is an 8 but on attitude see is a 10. Her English is not all that good but she is funny with a outgoing personality and very affectionate. She gave me a BBBJ and covered sex along with a great massage. These girls down here love to give massages. Price: 100 pesos. What a steal!!! There is just absolutely no comparison to the US.
Sunday night I went back to Madaho´s round about midnight. The selection on a Sunday night is decidedly less than on Saturday night. Spend some time talking to a girl from Cuba (pretty) but she was not my cup of tea. I finally ended up with a girl who called herself Tahanna (sp?). She had raven black hair and was from BA. I´d rate her face about an 8 but I would give her body a 9. Great legs. Her attitude had to be a 10. Whenever she wasn´t doing a BBBJ or covered sex she was massaging old hank. This went on for about 2 hours. Total price: 150 pesos which included all the drinks from the bar. Great value and great service. When I went to the airport the following morning I was one tired and fucked out man. I am definately going to take Monday off.
The flight back to BA from MDP was interesting. I flew on the same small 22 seater. The wind was really strong and I am sure you can quess what kind of turbulence a small aircraft in strong winds can have. MDP is naturally a windy place so if you can´t handle alot of turbulence I suggest you try booking a larger airplane. I´m not sure if that will help but it might keep a lump or two out of your throat. When we got to cruising altitude the turbulence pretty much ended. Do not let my comments about turbulence deter you from going by plane to MDP. The pilots are good and they are very experienced flying in these conditions. They are not new to it. It was, however, new to me.
Notes and observations:
There is alot more to MDP than just the Manantiales and Sheradon areas. If you follow the coast road north back toward the airport there are all kinds of things to do and check out. Also, Quemes St (sp?) has a lot going on as well. Wish I had more time.
Toosh,
Again, thanks for your posts from MDP. Can you answer a few questions when you get a chance?
1) Did you end up switching hotels or did you just stick with the hotel you originally checked in to? How was the staff there? Any problems at all? Would you stay there again?
2) What was the make up of the clubs? How many girls total were working? Was there a huge selection of girls? Any hotties (9's or 10's)? Were the girls asking for 100 pesos or what was the going rate?
Sounds like a beautiful city. You sound like you had more fun than Jackson had in La Plata. I am all for seeing new places as long as I don't have to spin my wheels wasting time finding the 'talent'. Of course it will be warmer when I go so that might help.
Thanks again.
Saint,
I never checked out of the Manantiales. It`s a nice place. My intention in checking out the Sheradon and Costa Galana was to see if I could get a 5 star at fire sale prices during this time of economic distress here. Also, I am thinking of coming back in February and I may end up staying at the Sheradon for a little bit (if the prices come down). I brought my digital camera with me. I´ll email you some pictures.
The only club I went into in MDP was Madaho´s. On Sunday there was not a hugh selection but on Saturday it was very good. I would rate Madaho´s on a same level as a Playwoman or Blacks. Madaho´s is not as stylish or upscale a bar as Blacks but it definately has some hotties in it. The girl I took out of there Saturday night (Rosemary) was definately hot and she was by no means the only one in there.
Also, just as a side note, I believe I was the only gringo in there. The local guys dón´t have any money for these girls so you felt all the eyes of the girls were upon you when you went in there. When is the last time you felt the eyes of every chick in the place was on you. Not in America.
To me the down side of MDP is that it appears to be a one trick pony as far as the bar scene goes. However, I was only there for two days. There could be more as MDP is not a small town.
By the way, I went into Shampoo late last night. I took out a solid 8.5 out of there for 100 pesos. Some of the dancers in there are about as hot as they get. WOW!!! I didn´t get around to finding out if they were available as I was otherwise occupied
From Kick Stand in Mar Del Plata. He emailed for me to post:
Hey, Saint!
Well, as luck would have it, I remember that someone
on WSG posted that the La Capital newspaper had a
classified section.
I pulled a "UWPhoto crap shoot" and found an agency an
ordered some room service.
JACKPOT!!! Luciana. Blond, maybe 5'5. 90-60-90. Very
nice body. Tanned & toned. A few tattoos. Belly
piercing. Typical insane animal-like session that I
love. Likes kissing. Very passionate, fake or
otherwise. The bed moved from the wall like a foot. 2
hours for $150. This included the tip and cab fare.
Other indie listing in the newspapers list $20 - $30.
Not sure if pesos or USD. Either way, if she is the
standard, a STEAL!
Figured on not trying my luck again, so I asked her if
she would come back for dinner. She said yes. As long
as I didn't screw up in the translation, she should be
back at 7pm.
BAD thing about Mar del Plata. DEFINITELY a summer
place. Most businesses here are closed in the off
season. Was warned about certain areas last night by a
taxi driver. Also told me about a couple of places to
see women. Won{t be able to check them out because I
fly out tomorrow morning. Chocolate was one. Heh
heh....my kinda place. I can't remember the other.
Most of the happenings appear to be on Avenida
Constitucion. When I cruised it last night, mainly
dead due to the off-season. I may come back here
instead of BA to check out the beach scene. Cheap
flight here. $180 pesos roundtrip in a turbo prop.
I'm staying at the Torres de Manatianles. Booked
through Mayra. For 2 nights, $312(more or less) pesos.
VERY nice place. Huge apartment 2-bedroom, yes TWO,
room. One queen and 2 singles. Spa facilities, 2
resturaunts, game room, pub, etc. I'd stay here again.
In the Argentine summer. One problem is that few of
the staff speak english. They DO have people that
speak it but not as many as I saw in BA. The price you
pay, I guess. Room service was a challenge but I
weathered the storm.
Pass on to the fellas please.
Just bought my ticket to Mar Del Plata and also have an Executive Suite booked at the Costa Galana hotel in MDP for December. I'll post detailed reports and will take plenty of pictures of the rooms. Kick Stand is planning on joining me down there. Should be interesting. We also might bring our chicas that we know from Buenos Aires.
This is gonna be fun....Life is good.
Here is the Web site for the Costa Galena...what a beautiful hotel and the suites look great!!!!
http://hotelcostagalana.com/hotelcostagalana/PrincipalCastellano.htm
This is the type hotel that is perfect for bringing a chica along....Very plush and romantic....located on the best beach in MDP. She will love it!!!!
The Iruna or other downtown hotels work for picking up a chica in MDP and taking her back to your room...
Things to do:
Take a cruise of the harbor....my chica loved it
There is a park at the other end of MDP where you can rent horses by the hour...in the off season you can ride on the beach...if not, the park itself is full of large, old trees....nice scenery while riding....
I do not recommend the Aquarium....It ain"t seaworld! 'nough said.
enjoy!
SAINT!!!!
I love you like a brother--but for christ's sake--would you please NOT take any girls down to MDP.
December is the height of the season. You will score a hot brazilian or argentine chica out of Malojos every god-damned night and the girl will service you to the high heavens.
MDP is a much more tropical "anything goes" setting the Buenos Aires (and the going rate was around 100 pesos; if you paid 200 pesos the girls would iron your shirts) Remeber these girls (while pros) act less professionally and after a three hour session beg you to go dancing with them at 6am!
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TWO OTHER NOTES (on the amatuer side)
1) Be sure to take a cab to the "South Beaches" this is where all the smoking hot 10s (not hookers) tan their little boxes. The beach (no exageration) contained at least 600 beautiful 19-30 year old hotties--and this was on a cold day in March! I thought I had entered the pearly gates of heaven. Truly surreal!
I can only imagine that beach in December!!!!
Remember any cab driver will know how to take you there. It is about a 7 minute ride (south) from the Sheraton Hotel. 12 minute ride from MDP center....Very safe. Bring the sunscreen and extra towel to hide your erection.
2) There is a strip of regular bars/clubs up the block and around the corner from Malajos (the hobby bar)--these amatuer bars and clubs contain some of the hottest rich kids from MDP--fuckin drop dead incredible chicas--with blond hair dressed in Ralph Lauren.... I remember remarking that this strip of clubs was like being in Greenwich CT--that's how scrubbed clean and rich these kids (18-29) all looked.....VERY SAFE and fun--kids all over the streets, cars cruising by slowly blasting music--BUT ONCE AGAIN--the quality of the individuals is so high--that it is not like Daytona Beach American White trash....You will be amazed by the class of these people.
So--if you want to experince this amazing scene--you must go to this section (3 minute walking distance from the Sheraton Hotel).......THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THIS IN THE CENTER, COMMERCIAL SECTION OF MDP. This is the real deal where the local kids go. When I was there I found everyone to be extremely friendly.
And who knows? You might hit the jack pot!
ADIOS!
L.A. Larry,
Thanks for the advice. Odds are I'll just go without a chica. Kick Stand from the board is meeting me in Mar Del Plata. The trooper that he is....he is flying into Rio (couldn't get a frequent flyer ticket to Buenos Aires for the high season), then flying to Buenos Aires, then flying to Mar Del Plata to meet me. Holy sh*t this is gonna be good!
Ok, so you have me convinced NOT to bring a BA girl with me to Mar Del Plata. I'll try to post daily "live reports" from Mar Del Plata. I hear the scene there is unreal during December. The weather will be nice and warm and I'm sure the chicas will be dressed oh so hot.
I've had good luck conversing with the normal chicas in Argentina. I've generally stayed away because the pay to play girls are so damn quick and easy. No muss....no fuss. But I might explore the normal chicas too and see what I can muster up. My spanish is getting better each week. I still talk to chicas I met in BA on the phone and online everyday which helps.
It's a done deal. Already got my tickets to Buenos Aires and Mayri (my travel agent) has already booked the tickets for both Kick Stand and I to go to Mar Del Plata on December 26th. So while all you poor souls are spending time opening presents and looking at what Santa brought you..... I'll be opening a few "presents" of my own. Ha! Life is good.
P.S. If Mar Del Plata is as good as you say.... I'm seriously thinking of turning my 15 day trip into a month long trip. I'm in the midst of letting my work know that I might be "unavailable" after my 15 days. I'm sure they will be pissed but I guess that's life. If I like Rio too... I'm spending an extra week in Mar Del Plata and an extra week in Rio. (I hope my "cosita" doesn't fall off).
At the risk of sounding negative....I was not overly impressed with Mar Del Plata.....I am not talking about chica-clubbing, since I did not go to any chica clubs during my stay. I had my favorita with me and she would have frowned on such activity. I did not find the beaches or the town particularly attractive....way too tacky and touristy to suit me.....very blue collar...very crowded....I will be interested in your reaction Saint...
Ezy and Saint:
The best part of Mar del Plata is located in the southern suburbs beyond Punta Mogotes, where the wealthy individuals spend their vacations. Downtown MDP (the Casino area, Constitucion Av. and the like) are too crowded and commercial (touristy in words of Ezy), more taylored to the middle class taste (it's like comparing Recoleta to Downtown BA).
One of the famous southern suburbs is Chapadmalal. THere are several private country clubs and commercial allies. Girls are beautiful, although somewhat cocky from my point of view.
Unless you have a lot of friends in MDP, 1 month is too much from my point of view. There are other beaches in the South Atlantic ocean that merit a visit, such as Pinamar and Villa Gesell (130 km north of MDP). These places are more family-like, less hobby friendly but they have a charm (specially Pinamar, with its hills full of trees and cottages). The richest Argentinians usually have a Summer house either in Punta del Este or in Pinamar.
Hope this helps.
Andres
Thanks Andres and Ezy,
I always appreciate opinions. I've heard both very good and mediocre things about Mar Del Plata. That is why originally I'm only spending 3 nights/4 days there. There is no way I'd spend one month in Mar Del Plata alone.
When I talked about a "month long trip", I meant that I'm going to spend the majority in Buenos Aires, some in Mar Del Plata and some in Rio. If I added another two weeks to my 15 days I'd probably add a week in Rio (unless it sucks which I doubt it will) and a few days to BA and maybe another few days hitting towns like Pinamar and Villa Gesell that Andres described.
Chapadmalal sounds very interesting. Sounds like my sort of area. Beautiful girls? Hmm. I don't mind cocky girls because I can dish it out just as much as they can. Confidence is one thing that I'm not lacking.
I plan on doing more sightseeing in December. I plan to take a LOT more pictures of chicas and the country in general. I just bought a new digital camera today and a 256 MB flash card. Ha, ha. That should be plenty for pictures and it also takes up to 30 second videos which I plan to utilize as well.
I wish there were more detailed reports on MDP. Rest assured by the time I'm through with MDP, you all will know everything there is to know about this town in respect to the chica scene.
hey la larry -
what specific beach in the southern suburbs did you go to, or do you recommend.
everyone else -
i'll be in mdp in late dec (between xmas & nye) - post here if anyone wants to meet up...
Leo--
Forgive me but I only knew the beach as the "south beaches".
But I assure you that every person, cabbie, hotel clerk, and hooker--knows the precise name and can tell you exactly how to get there.
Remember it is a very short ride from the Sheraton Hotel.
And believe me when I say that there were hundreds of beautiful girls on this beach. Not a handful. Not 30 or 40....But freakin' hundreds.
need some hotel advice from you past visitors to mdp:
from my research, i think i want to stay in the playa grande area (it's a little south of downtown, where the costa galana & sheraton are). it's closer to the strip of bars and madajos, and closer to the nicer beach, and closer to southern beaches. seem right?
anyway, the sheraton & c.g. are both in the ar$300+ per night range (for late dec), and i'd love to spend less (but still not stay downtown?)... any suggestions on a 4* or nice 3* close to the sheraton/parque san martin/costa galana in the playa grande area of mdp?
Leo--
Trust me....The Hotel Manantiales is perfect for your needs. They will give you a 1 bedroom apartment with a damned kitchen and balcony overlooking the ocean for a very reasonable rate (half of what a regular room would cost in the Sheraton).
Meanwhile, your only a miniscule 3-5 minute cab ride from the Sheraton and Madajos.
And only 5 minutes from the MDP center.
The hotel is very safe. And very chica friendly.
Peace
Leo----
Larry is right. The Manantiales is just fine. I stayed there for a couple days and had no problems. Just get above the 15th floor. Your view is great and not blocked by other buildings.
I've been reading this board for a while now and thought I should post my experience in Mar del Plata (three nights). I found the Madajos bar without difficulty (it is 20 steps outside the Sheraton hotel). I went too late (12:30 PM) and the ratio was not great. I recommend going earlier. Nevertheless, many women were available, and two or three were my type.
A few women who were not my type tried to talk to me. I was polite but after a few minutes just said “no, thank you”. They fully understand and it is not a problem. One even asked me what type of girl I liked and went off to find one (surely her friend, and in the end I didn’t take her either).
I bought two drinks for one woman and had a few myself. We left around 2:30 PM. I paid my bar tab (I forget the total but it was not a rip-off) and made a deal with her. 150 pesos for two hours. The next night she met me at my hotel at 11:00 PM and she took me to some of the nicer night venues in town (Avenida Constitution as I recall, about a 10-15 minute cab ride from the Sheraton) and came back to my hotel until 6:00 AM. I paid 200 pesos since she showed me around town and spent 7 hours with me. My last night in town she meet me at 9:00 PM and helped me with some shopping. Everything is very cheap down there now. The service the second and third nights just got better and better. She spoke no English, but with my 200 words of Spanish we managed just fine.
For the benefit of this board, I asked her the names of other places in town like Madajos. She confirmed that there were other places, but she hesitated to give me a name and I didn't press the issue.
I highly recommend Mar del Plata, but it is quite different from Buenos Aires. Not nearly as sophisticated, but still very nice. If you have zero Spanish, don’t worry about it. Just relax and have a good time.
Guys:
This article appeared today in Clarin, and it's related to links between prostitution and police in MDP.
Let me know if these articles are too nasty, so I don' t post them anymore. Otherwise, I'll continue posting them.
Sorry for my lousy translation. Corrections are welcome.
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(English)
It was revealed that there were " businesses" between police officers and prostitutes
Two sargents who "broke" declared the phrase above before judge Pedro Hooft. They also talked about the relation between illegal lotto bet collectors and prostitution in the vacation city.
"To make disappear three people is police's work"; "the cause does not finish with a principal or a sergeant"; "Without authorization of the Police, and especially of the Brigade, there cannot be disappearances".
The authors of the phrases above are two policemen from Mar del Plata arrested in August -along with another 7- in a cause where the disappearance of three prostitutes is investigated, fact attributed at its moment to a character called "the route psycho" who, it is believed, the same Police created.
At the beginning, Robert Shiarkey (43) and Oscar Lizarraga (44) sergeants of the Bonaerense Police, didn't want to declare before judge Pedro Hooft, in charge of the case. But last week "they broke" and they requested to be investigated. When declaring, as of the text to which Clarin had access, both of them involved to police heads and several of its companions in corruption acts. And they explained the nexus between the Police and the business of prostitution in La Perla.
Three prostitutes worked there: Ana Maria Nores (26), Silvana Caraballo (26) and Verónica Chávez (25), who disappeared between July 1997 and January 1998. The testimony of the collaborators also aimed at the former federal public prosecutor of Mar del Plata, Marcelo Garcia Berro (41), separated from its position in August. Judge Hooft discovered that he had a relation with one of the disappeared prostitutes, and he was summoned for the charges of "concealment" and "false testimony".
First Shiarkey (Monday 11) and soon Lizarraga (Wednesday 13) gave details of police collection from prostitutas, thieves and "leaders" of illegal lotto. They involved othe police officers, already involved in facts that go from "illicit association" to "extorsion" and "facilitación of prostitution": the comissioners Daniel Iglesias and Horacio Pastor, and sergeant majors Alberto Iturburu, Armando Aranda, Miguel Valledor, Fernando Santandreu and Linef Ayala.
Shiarkey has four nicknames ("Horse", "Countryman", "Gringo" and "Brush") and, according to what he confessed, some "causes by homicide in fight". He began apologizing for lying in his previous declaration: "the first recommendation that I received was not to send anybody to jail".
According to him, Caraballo had affaires with police officers, and she disappeared soon after one of them left her. "Caraballo did not go away, she was carried away, picked up by the Police. I don' t have any doubt that the disappearances have to do with the Police, because of drug issues because she talked too much", he said. "Iturburu beat hardly the prostitutes". "Chávez was worried and threatened, and she requested Ayala if she could work in his zone. She disappeared two days after", he added.
Shiarkey also mentioned an episode between Ayala and a prostitute nicknamed "The Gallician": "She told him that if he wanted to gain official appreciation and to know who killed (don't remember if Caraballo or Chávez) he told him: a public prosecutor called Garcia Berro". Ayala commented the commissioners and they said to him "don't bother us".
According to this police "In the high seasons, $10,000 to $12,000 per day collected by the police from pickpocketers are distributed from the Departmental to down the command chain". And he said: "As much the personnel of the Brigade as the one of Departmental and Narcocriminalistics went coordinated for the collection form prostitutes in La Perla zone".
Two days after summoning Shiarkey, judge Hoof summoned Lizarraga. "Someone commented that Iturburu carried Chávez forth and back", explained the policeman, and he remembered that in 1998 "a problem popped up due to the disappearances, and Valledor told him that the comissioner had to put the money collected from illegal lotto into Courts custody".
Lizarraga supported the suspicion of Hooft: "Many police offices are drug users; someone with drug and power doesn't care very much about anything". And he added: "Both Iturburu as Ayala had contacts with Garcia Berro. And Chávez went out with the public prosecutor ". Later the police said that, like his repented colleague, he fears retaliation. Shiarkey said it clearly to Hooft: "I am scared that comes some dirty marginal and it hurts my son or my wife, or he attributes me a crime that I didn't commit."
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(Spanish)
Revelan que había "negocios" entre policías y prostitutas
Lo afirmaron dos sargentos que se quebraron y declararon ante el juez Pedro Hooft. También hablaron de la relación con punteros del juego clandestino y la droga en la ciudad balnearia.
Hacer desaparecer a tres personas es trabajo de policía"; "La causa no termina con un cabo o un sargento"; "Sin autorización de la Policía, y en particular de la Brigada, no puede haber desapariciones".
Los autores de las frases son dos policías de Mar del Plata detenidos en agosto —junto con otros 7— en una causa donde se investiga la desaparición de tres prostitutas, hechos atribuidos en su momento a un personaje llamado "El loco de la ruta"que, se supone, creó la misma Policía.
Al principio Roberto Shiarkey (43) y Oscar Lizarraga (44) —sargentos de la Policía bonaerense— no quisieron hablar con el juez Pedro Hooft, a cargo del caso. Pero la semana pasada "se quebraron" y pidieron ser indagados. Al declarar —según consta en el texto al que accedió Clarín— ambos involucraron a jefes policiales y a varios de sus compañeros en actos de corrupción. Y hablaron del nexo entre la Policía y el negocio de la prostitución en La Perla.
Allí trabajaban Ana María Nores (26), Silvana Caraballo (26) y Verónica Chávez (25) quienes desaparecieron entre julio de 1997 y enero de 1998. El testimonio de los arrepentidos también apuntó al ex fiscal federal de Mar del Plata, Marcelo García Berro (41), separado de su cargo en agosto. El juez Hooft descubrió que tenía una relación con una de las prostitutas desaparecidas, y lo citó a indagatoria por "encubrimiento" y "falso testimonio".
Primero Shiarkey (el lunes 11) y luego Lizarraga (el miércoles 13) dieron detalles de recaudación policial a prostitutas, ladrones y "punteros" de juego clandestino. Incriminaron a policías, ya involucrados en hechos que van desde "asociación ilícita" a "extorsión" y "facilitación de la prostitución": los subcomisarios Daniel Iglesias y Horacio Pastor, y los suboficiales Alberto Iturburu, Armando Aranda, Miguel Valledor, Fernando Santandreu y Linef Ayala.
Shiarkey tiene cuatro apodos ("Caballo", "Paisano", "Gringo" y "Cepillo") y, según confesó, algunas "causas por homicidio en riña". Comenzó pidiendo disculpas por mentir en su anterior declaración: "La primera recomendación que recibí fue no mandar a nadie en cana".
Según él, Caraballo salía con policías y desapareció luego de que uno de ellos la dejó. "Caraballo no se fue, se la llevaron, se la llevó la Policía. No tengo ninguna duda de que las desapariciones tienen que ver con la Policía, por la droga o porque alguna habló de más", dijo. "Iturburu las cagaba a palos a las prostitutas". "Chávez estaba preocupada y amenazada y le pidió a Ayala si podía trabajar en su zona. Desapareció a los días", agregó .
Shiarkey también mencionó un episodio entre Ayala y una prostituta apodada "La gallega": "Ella le dijo que si se quería ganar los laureles y saber quien mató (no recuerdo si a Caraballo o a Chávez) le dijo: un fiscal llamado García Berro". Ayala se lo comentó a los comisarios y le dijeron "que se dejara de joder".
Según este policía "en temporada, por aportes de los pungas, se hacen entre 10 mil y 12 mil pesos diarios para repartir desde la Departamental para abajo". Y dijo: "Tanto el personal de la Brigada como el de la Departamental y Narcocriminalidad iban en forma coordinada a la zona de La Perla para recaudar de las prostitutas".
Dos días después de escuchar a Shiarkey el juez Hoof indagó a Lizarraga. "Se comentaba que Iturburu llevaba y traía a Chávez", contó el policía y recordó que en 1998 "saltó un problema por las desapariciones y Valledor le comentó que al dinero recaudado por el juego, el comisario lo tuvo que poner en Tribunales".
Lizarraga apoyó la sospecha de Hooft : "Muchos policías son consumidores de drogas; a un tipo con poder y falopa le importa nada". Y agregó: "Tanto Iturburu como Ayala tenían contacto con García Berro. Y Chávez salía con el fiscal". Después el policía dijo que, como su colega arrepentido, teme a las venganzas. Shiarkey se lo dijo claramente a Hooft: "Tengo miedo que venga algún mugriento de éstos y le haga algo a mi mujer, a mi hijo o me meta alguna pata de alguna muerta".
Thanks for the article Andres. I think it's good to keep all sides of the perspective on our little hobby. It's not all glitz and glamour. Prostitution (some of us don't like calling it that and would like to dream up better words like "the hobby") will always have a dark side to it. Many people mistakenly think prostitution is legal in Buenos Aires or Argentina. It is NOT.
Anyone that knows these girls down in Buenos Aires well will discover that there is a very seedy side to this business. Many "independents" are not really independent. Also, even the true independents must often times pay a bribe to someone to keep them out of trouble. That's why I'm not always for paying the cheapest that you can possible pay. Yeah, I would rather have low prices but I never forget what these girls go through.
Many of you think it's 'easy money' for these girls. It clearly is not. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade because I clearly have as much fun or more than the next guy. I'm just saying to keep all this in the back of your mind and be a gentleman with the girls. Have fun!
Saint
Here is the latest info on MDP. Spent 3 days there and just got back to BA (missed thanksgiving dinner at Lola!). The breakdown on action is as follows: 1) Madahos 2) Classified section in La Capital (Hit or miss) and 3) Other clubs.
Hands down Madahos is the best place to go. Nice atmosphere and nonpushy chicas. Your drinks are 15p and chica drinks are 25p. Usual chica rate is 100p for short time. I picked a cutie from Brazil (looks a teeny bit like Cameron Diaz) - tall skiny blonde with an easy smile (name:Kelly). Highly recommended. Looks 8 and service 9. She even offered to come in next day and cook lunch for me for free!
There is another club in downtown called Numero Uno. With my zero spanish it was difficult to get there. Many taxi drivers did not know the name. It is about 4 to 5 blocks from the casino. I popped in to take a look and was diasppointed. Most of the chicas were 5 or 6. I left in 10 minutes. Stick to Madahos.
Next day, I took a chance and called several providers from the newspaper La Capital (just for research guys :-). Again, if you don't speak sapnish, it is extremely difficult. I somehow convinced the girl at the other end of the phone that I wanted a chica ahora en Manantiales. After 30 minutes, two girls show up - a blonde and a brunette. I am not into threesomes and was not sure how to handle this. I told them in sign language that I needed only one and sent the blonde with 10p for cab. The brunette (Roxanna) was good - looks 7 and service 9. price: 90p. I gave her 120. I stayed at the Manantiales - has a great view of the city, beach and the ocean. Price: about US$40 per night.
Did not have time to hit Punta Magotes and the south beaches - definitely next time! (Feel free to email me if you need additional info - rajmaddur at hotmail dot com)
Nibu--
The train sort of sucks. I took it once and it made all kinds of unannounced stops. First Class was like third class in f-ing Albania. The toliets were abomidable! DO NOT TAKE THE TRAIN.
Take the bus. Its air conditioned, and pretty reliable as far as getting you there in the said time.
You can also fly very cheaply and it takes only 45-50 minutes (but be warned the jets are ancient birds; ealry model 737s.
Ah LA Larry no problem must be better then a Mexican or Peruvian train or Fucking Bolivian train. Yeh Bro I doubt I will make it this time around Having too much fan in BA. I know a few trains leave from Ba to like Mar Del Plata,La Plata Plus also I think Rosario,Cordoba and like two other places. I also know like about 10 commuter trains go to a lot of different suburbs of Greater Federal Ba. I have though rode all the lines of the Ba Subway thry line 1 of the Ba Subway it is the old old line with old ancient cars It is like from the 1940s What A Trip. I just rode that line last night with my Peruvian buddy too bad the trains in SA are not 24 hours like in NYC,Chicago and Boston. I have been on all of the few lines of the LA Subway too. A Since I am now posting in Mar Cel Plata La Larry if you can make an update on What is new there great or what yoy expect in Mar De Plata for 2003 PLEASE Tell us. How Many Times have you been in Mar DEl Plata? Met Jackson lat night at 10 Pm Talked with him for an hour and 3 other cool mongers. It was an honor to meet him. Why People like Starfe or Down Ba get mad at me is uncool I am a great guy Sure maybe my grammer is fucked up but I am a very intelligent dude in High School What I did great in was History and Geography. ThanXXX Again La Larry Maybe one day in the future we will hook up. Oh I think Gabriela you mentioned has only a 120 size tits. Saw Some ads for 140 to 160 Size Tits probably big 42 or 44 DDS,,,,,, Later------- NIBU R.......
I just got back from 10 day trip to Mar Del Plata. A nice room at Mennantiales, graet shopping, sunny beaches...great trip! And I must add two nights I went over to Madaho's were the best thing I decided to do there. AS soon as I walked into this clean relaxing bar, I couldn't figure out where to sit. There were too many good looking girls of all types. I ended up talking to an argentine girl. I was that intereted in her even though she was a good looking with a knock out body. I politely asked her to tell this one girl I couldn't stop looking at. She came over, and I found out she didn't speak any english at all, and my spanish is almost zero. Well, no problem there, I somehow let her know I was interested in spending some time with her. She was like 5'5", blonde hair, with big natural breats almost hanging out of her shirt, oh plus an amazingly shaped round ass. I give her face 9+ too. She was a knock out. Doorman called for a cab, we got in...we kissed like little kids in the taxi, and I couldn't wait to check how tight her ass was till we got to the hotel. I put my hand down her jeans from behind as she was saying something to the driver, well, her tight thong was enough to make me happy and excited about the hours I was gonna have with her. She didn't ask me for the money when we went into the room. She asked for the music and started doing a little sexy dance routine without stripping. She was great at it. She went into the bathroom and came out with her thong and red shirt. We kissed for about 20 minutes. She was on top of me for the whole time grinding her pussy against me all over. Finally she went down on me started blowing me without condom and tasting my balls...I was amazed how good and into she was. Finally she pulled her shirt up and used her big but not over sized breats to stroke me with. I opened the closet door to see the mirror. I put her infront of it and banged her from behind as she kept sucking on my fingers like a wild cat. I thought I had to last this, so managed to make myself soft again to see what she would do. Wow, she decided to blow me again, I kept stroking fingers up in her pussy making her taste my fingers. I was rock hard again. She stated riding me like there is no tomorrow for a long time. Kissing too. I came but I managed to fake it like I got soft again to make her work on me some more, one more time. I run into the bathroom cleaned myself. She had her thong and shirt on with nipples sticking out, wow, she jestured me to lay flat on bed, stood over me, and did this dance sliding her thong to the side once in a while licking her own nipples. I was almost ready for another one, but I still made her suck me for a while without condom. I was amazed she was rushing anything. I ate her very wet pussy with the thong around her ass, I put my cock on the mirror and made her suck it there as she looked me in my eyes off the mirror. Finally she asked me to put it in by sticking her ass infront of me and pulled the thong to the side. I did her and came. This girl was so good.
2 nights later I went back to the bar to try somebody else, I pickeed up a taller beautiful blonde with huge I mean huge tits in a tight white pants on. I asked her to fuck me in the shower, but she didn't go for it. But she gave me the best ever tits fuck of my life.
There is one thing I regret there though. I saw few very young looking girls there dressed like regular girls you see on the street. They look very much like they are very new in the biz, still not knowing what to do. I really wish I tried them. They looked so innocent and I wanted to fuck the shit out of these school girls.
I highly recommed this place. Go there around 12:30, take your time, make sure you wait to see girls when they are standing up(you gatta check their ass since girls down there have great ass to go with long skinny legs), enjoy your drink it's cheap there, feel them up in the taxi, and get the best fuck of your life! Have fun...
Kava,
Great report. Just out of curiosity..how much did you pay for the girls? Inquiring minds want to know. I gave up my Mar Del Plata trip to go to Rio instead. I might stay in Argentina longer if I can extend my ticket. I already tried but American wanted $2700 US to change it to a week later!