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I don't think so
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;448154]Protesters - wow anyone remember the protests by Republicans in 2008 and 2012? Probably not because they did not happen. Now we have the spoiled rotten kids out in the streets raising hell. So we live in a democracy so long as it goes the way the want? Gentlemen that is not democracy that's anarchy.[/QUOTE]Brotherman I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the 1st amendment. It's a right of a citizen in the US to protest. Obviously that doesn't include destruction of private property, violence, blocking streets ect. Those are crimes not protest, doesn't matter if it's "spoiled rotten kids" or spoiled rotten ranchers used to grazing their cattle on government land for free. But protest? They can hold up all the signs saying Trump sucks that they want as long as they want. It also means the KKK (who I personally abhor) can do the same thing. It also means the during the campaign the Trump organization could throw people out of the halls they rented for rallies.
I don't think it's right to denigrate people for wanting to be involved in a country that had a 35% (I think) voter turnout.
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[QUOTE=Doppelganger;448154]My answer is to totally shut down the Federal Medicaid and Welfare Programs and turn them over to the states. If the taxpayers in the individual states want to fund the welfare state they are free to do so (The Peoples Republic of Southern California comes to mind) and if not then to not do so.[/QUOTE]I'd be cool with that, and not putting in means testing for the Medicaid expansion was insane. So, a lot of states are raising their minimum wages, and states have different tax structures, and US citizens can choose to live in any state. This liberal is fine with that.
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Riot???
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;448154]The primary failing of ObamaCare was the one size fits all approach. Everyone's policy had to include drug rehab, psyc benefits, and for women maternity benefits (for 70 year old women - right) rather the folks wanted them or not. So instead of letting folks purchase the insurance they wanted the liberal elite once again decided they knew better and forced this albatross on the nation. Those are your cost drivers gentlemen.
The second failing of ObamaCare is the liberal elite's failure to ever consider normal human behavior.
National healthcare? Right - the welfare and medicaid systems work so well, not.
Which brings me to one of favorite rants - the elite's are always talking about Medicare and Social Security are going bankrupt (you know the programs the folks who worked and their employers paid for via payroll taxes), never do you hear about welfare and Medicaid running out of money.
My answer is to totally shut down the Federal Medicaid and Welfare Programs and turn them over to the states. If the taxpayers in the individual states want to fund the welfare state they are free to do so (The Peoples Republic of Southern California comes to mind) and if not then to not do so.
Protesters - wow anyone remember the protests by Republicans in 2008 and 2012? Probably not because they did not happen. Now we have the spoiled rotten kids out in the streets raising hell. So we live in a democracy so long as it goes the way the want? Gentlemen that is not democracy that's anarchy.
I'm with Reagan on this one.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggUeDa48V4g[/URL][/QUOTE]Of course the Republicans did not riot......they could not.....they had to go to work.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead;448141]Well, call me whatever you want but the electoral college system will not change because that would require a constitutional amendment, and why would the less populous states vote to give up their disproportionate influence? But if you know the history behind it, you know it's not necessary any more. Personally, I would also like to see run-offs so that whoever eventually gets elected has a majority and not just a plurality. Any system that you can't explain to educated Europeans has got to be a little strange. I said the same thing when Benjamin Harrison was elected.[/QUOTE]The electoral college was and is a brilliant means to distribute representation around the country and to ensure (to some degree) that all geographical portions of the country have some representation. This was a huge concern during drafting of the Constitution (as chronicled in the Federalist papers). I think that we need it more now, than ever. Without getting into the weeds of policy, I think it would be fair to say that flyover country has been pretty well ignored, over the last 8+ years. Without the electoral college, the northeast and west coast only need a handful of additional votes to win an election. A couple of those cycles and flyover country will be boxed out of DC for good.
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A Reason Why Trump Won
This was on the Morning Joe.
[URL]http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/michael-moore-donald-trump-president-republican/2016/11/11/id/758427/[/URL]
Gary.
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[QUOTE=Doppelganger;448154]
Protesters - wow anyone remember the protests by Republicans in 2008 and 2012? Probably not because they did not happen. Now we have the spoiled rotten kids out in the streets raising hell. So we live in a democracy so long as it goes the way the want? Gentlemen that is not democracy that's anarchy.
[/QUOTE]But you conveniently ignore the Republicans who vowed to protest with violence if Trump lost. This ex Congressman is just one of many. [URL]http://www.salon.com/2016/10/27/joe-walsh-defends-if-trump-loses-im-grabbing-my-musket-tweet-it-means-protesting/[/URL].
And the Republicans demand that Trump is respected as the elected President. How does that compare with the Congress and Senate treating Obama with total contempt and obstructing his every move since he gained office. And not to even consider his very mainstream choice for the Supreme Court. Then there's McCain and co who vowed not to consider any candidate for the court proposed by Clinton if she won. And the 'the people' did not vote for Trump, Clinton won the popular vote. The antiquated electoral college system won it for him. Time for a constitutional amendment on that score as its produced W Bush and now Trump. I would not have voted for either candidate, but there's a whole shit load of double standards coming from the right.
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Crybaby Clinton
Clinton is blaming Comey for her loss. She neglects to mention that Comey would not even be in the picture if she had not installed the private email server in her home. She also neglects to mention that she was so unpopular that any of the other top three Republicans who lost to Trump in the primaries could have beaten her. Trump was the only candidate where she had a chance to win, and she still lost. For Clinton it is always someone else's fault. She is never to blame. I disliked both Trump and Clinton, but probably disliked Clinton more.
As to the protesters, under the First Amendment they have a right to protest, but the First Amendment does not give them the right to break the law.
Tres3.
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[QUOTE=Tres3;448166]Clinton is blaming Comey for her loss. She neglects to mention that Comey would not even be in the picture if she had not installed the private email server in her home. She also neglects to mention that she was so unpopular that any of the other top three Republicans who lost to Trump in the primaries could have beaten her. Trump was the only candidate where she had a chance to win, and she still lost. For Clinton it is always someone else's fault. She is never to blame. I disliked both Trump and Clinton, but probably disliked Clinton more.
As to the protesters, under the First Amendment they have a right to protest, but the First Amendment does not give them the right to break the law.
Tres3.[/QUOTE]I think everybody agrees that this was a corrupt and rigged election. That is common ground for both sides although the reasons why the election was rigged are different. The FBI feeding inside information to the Trump campaign will never be investigated because Giuliani was the conduit. Why was the letter released on a Friday? Probably the same reason the sex tape was released on a Friday. It was coordinated.
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Do You Have Proof????
[QUOTE=BigBossMan;448167]The FBI feeding inside information to the Trump campaign will never be investigated because Giuliani was the conduit. [/QUOTE]How do you know Guilani was the "conduit"? Do you have proof? There have already been so many "twisting of the facts" and outright lies by both candidates, that we do not need more from some disgruntled poster. Put up or shut up.
Tres3.
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[QUOTE=Tres3;448168]How do you know Guilani was the "conduit"? Do you have proof? There have already been so many "twisting of the facts" and outright lies by both candidates, that we do not need more from some disgruntled poster. Put up or shut up.
Tres3.[/QUOTE]He said two days before the Comey letter that there was going to be a big surprise in a couple of days and he was laughing. What was the surprise if it was not the Comey letter?
Kellyanne Conway said on this morning's talk shows that the system is rigged. Everybody agrees with her.
It does not have to be true. The appearance of rigging is enough.
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FBI tipped the election
Giuliani said in TV interviews he had inside knowledge about the FBI and their efforts. The additional emails were known to exist several weeks before it was announced. Why did FBI agents wait until 12 days before the election to inform Comey? And why did Comey, a Republican who used to work for Giuliani, ignore guidance and convention and inform Congressional Republicans the next day? It certainly appears an attempt to influence the election. Yes Hillary would not have had to deal with this had she not decided to use a private server. But the FBI's actions also had a clear impact on voters, knocking Hillary's lead down several points in the run-up to election day, and gave fuel to Trump's campaign and the lying right wing media. Although it won't change the results now, the FBI should be investigated for election interference.
[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/04/politics/rudy-giuliani-hillary-clinton-email-fbi/[/URL]
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BTW- While I consider myself center-left and supported Hillary, I accept Trump's win and wish him success.
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[QUOTE=SteveC;448165]But you conveniently ignore the Republicans who vowed to protest with violence if Trump lost. This ex Congressman is just one of many. [URL]http://www.salon.com/2016/10/27/joe-walsh-defends-if-trump-loses-im-grabbing-my-musket-tweet-it-means-protesting/[/URL].
[/QUOTE]But that congressman did not follow threw on his "threat", just like all the Hollywood idiots who said they would leave the country if Trump was elected are not packing their bags, but I wish they would.
Freedom of speech is one thing, vandalism and brigandage is altogether a different thing.
As far as the kids waving the signs Not My President, I would invite them to move to a country they like better as this one has become so onerous to them.
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[QUOTE=Doppelganger;448172]But that congressman did not follow threw on his "threat", just like all the Hollywood idiots who said they would leave the country if Trump was elected are not packing their bags, but I wish they would.
Freedom of speech is one thing, vandalism and brigandage is altogether a different thing.
As far as the kids waving the signs Not My President, I would invite them to move to a country they like better as this one has become so onerous to them.[/QUOTE]Maybe Trump and the Republican Congress will reduce the tax hit to renounce citizenship and leave the country? Most of the Hollywood types that would make news that they are leaving the country are rich enough to buy a second home. Whatever country they are in they will not stop working.
The protests are dying out.
If we are going to restrict immigration, we need the young people to work and grow the economy and fight Islamic terrorism. I don't think we want them to leave.
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I suggest
You get those whinny little as**holes out on the streets to do something other than bit*h about Trump.