What do you think of this idea!
OK time to spill some beans. Please understand this is quite preliminary but I have done a bit of leg work on this through a few investment firms and there may be the ability to actually pull it off. At this point lets call it a dream with and early plan.
I have been coming down for a few years now. Although the timing is not right at this moment, it may be in about a year so I want to get some input from the group. Be brutally honest. I can take it. If you say anything negative about an individual on this thread (especially a lady) I will delete your post. Tell me also if you would invest in such a club? I have a few and may be doing a formal business proposal in the not too distant future.
I am considering buying a club. I think inflation is going to put one or more of the ones near recoleta in the shitter if it hits about 8-9peso to the dollar. If the market looks good here is my idea.
Have a club with significant entry fee with no free passes unless you are bringing business.
Normally priced drinks for you and the girl if you want to buy one for her (zero tolerance for chicas requesting you to buy drinks: fired on the spot)
Hot tubs in private areas for individuals and groups (towels and shorts available if you are afraid of letting the boys free)
Dance floor with ladies who actually want to dance with you and for you. If you want to dance you buy a dance ticket for reasonable amount and bam you dance with a lady you only dreamed of dancing with in years past.
If you want to take them out then fine. They clock out and whatever you negotiate is your business. No bar fee. No judgement. My only role is to assure their safety by providing security if they desire it. This they would pay small amount for if they wanted to (no pressure at all). They would have minimum number of hours they must actually work in the club with things as noted about and possibly some other activities that would be straight up legal.
Ladies talk to you because they are paid an hourly wage to be there and keep you there buying drinks, food, and entertainment so you wouldn't dream of going to some place that charges you 100p for beer. Playful interaction like you are a fucking king, but you must treat them with respect or you will be asked once to leave and then removed (seriously, the ladies should feel safe and this would be highest priority)
This would be a gentleman's club, not a place for drunk beligerant boys to come and start trouble. You break the rules you out with suspension of variable length.
Big screen TV with Sports while being served by ladies dressed as revealingly as they dare.
Tips to ladies always welcomed.
OK now the part the ladies can comment on.
1. Free financial training.
2. Free STD, prevention, pregnancy, and drug testing and evaluation (one rule any lady refusing to have appropriate testing or coming up positive on drug test is gone. Postive drug tests gets you mandated drug and alcohol program with one chance to return. No third chances no matter how good you are).
3. Benefits.
4. Bonus structure that includes education, English language training, Gym membership (if not on site-possibly private area and another area for viewing "exercise" something some guys are apparently into and I bet for some money some of the ladies will treadmill in a thong for tips.) , and possibly retirement savings plan (I don't know enough about customs and legal issues to really know how to do this.)
5. Free instructions on things like dancing, use of pole, alluring behaviors, body language, Geisha shit. And self defense.
6. Day care off site but close by so they don't need to worry about their kids. Legal assistance at reasonable rate to try to help them with custody issues.
7. Possibly buy nearby apartment building or sublet entire section of one at discount rate for ladies to stay with at cost deduction and amenities provided etc.
8. Choice to leave club completely up to them. Not required to do anything other than business activities sanctioned in the club.
9. All girls must be independent as they can't work for two bosses. Contractural relationship clearly seperating work in bar from that outside if they desire to do so. (no offence intended to anyone associated with the list here but they ladies I would hire would be of the caliber that they would not need anyone to help promote them.
10. Of course I would advertise on the AP list if allowed by admin.
Pete
Thanks for initial responses-keep them coming and no I am not as crazy as this sounds.
Actually I agree with much of what has been written. This is exactly what I wanted was smart people pointing out some obvious points and some others I did not know and will need to look into. Timing would have to be everything and the point about political issue is the biggest impedement to making any rational business plan (if there is one) because they could nationalize everything in a heart beat. On thing to clarify is that this business would have nothing to do with prostitution. What the ladies do on their own time, other than drugs, is there business. There are many reasons the drug thing would be a reason not to hire. First and foremost the business plan would be to allow those that want out to get out and to have a no drama and lower risk environment. I am not being prudish about drugs or one's personal choices but from a business standpoint drug use introduces many factors that the currently fragile to impossible developing plan could not overcome. Other issues of great concern are corruption many have told me about. Benefits for workers would have to be cafeteria style with limits. They would be able to chose to some limit based upon productivity. In fact, entire pay scale would have a productivity basis. You don't perform, you don't make anything and you leave. You perform and keep people in the club then your benefits increase. Many would not want to be there. Some, I believe, would. Reliable income with some sanity to hours, choices, and ability to have a place of thier own for them and in some cases their kids seems important.
Yes, I care about the ladies but am not looking to lose money and would need to find a business model that would work. Not sure it is possible but the comments so far are very helpful and I am not looking to do this tomorrow. Very preliminary.
If any of the ladies on the board are willing. PM me and tell me what you would expect to make in such a club per hour (assume no benefits at this point so we keep the playing field level. Benefits added as cafeteria plan would be backed out of salary.) Be realistic. Truly ask yourself what it would take to brink to this type club 35-45 hours a week.
Pete
Why not focus on saving whales or penguins in Antartica?
Maybe one of the most hillarious posts in recent years! Good on you Peter! That said, only one thing to say! Like a non-argentine (gringo) can do business in the puta world in BA? Too funny? You may have been coming for a couple of years BUt you certainly are not paying attention or have NO argentine buddies. It's virtually impossible to do business in Argentina in normal business pursuits, yet start swimming with the sharks in the puta / club world. Too funny. Better you focus on those whales or electing Obama, or something of the kind. Good luck with this dude. Happy Mongering All. Toymann.
Ps. TL may be looking for work? He might run your club for you. IALOTFLMAO!
What Have You Been Smoking?
In the current (and for the foreseeable future) environment the only way for a foreigner to leave Argentina, or any Latin country, with a small fortune is to arrive with a large fortune. For a foreigner, investing in Latin America is worse than owning a boat.
Tres
I know it can be done but
[QUOTE=Peter Sideburn; 422659]OK time to spill some beans. Please understand this is quite preliminary but I have done a bit of leg work on this through a few investment firms and there may be the ability to actually pull it off. At this point lets call it a dream with and early plan.
I have been coming down for a few years now. Although the timing is not right at this moment, it may be in about a year so I want to get some input from the group. Be brutally honest. I can take it. If you say anything negative about an individual on this thread (especially a lady) I will delete your post. Tell me also if you would invest in such a club? I have a few and may be doing a formal business proposal in the not too distant future.
I am considering buying a club. I think inflation is going to put one or more of the ones near recoleta in the shitter if it hits about 8-9peso to the dollar. If the market looks good here is my idea.
Have a club with significant entry fee with no free passes unless you are bringing business.
Normally priced drinks for you and the girl if you want to buy one for her (zero tolerance for chicas requesting you to buy drinks: fired on the spot)
Hot tubs in private areas for individuals and groups (towels and shorts available if you are afraid of letting the boys free)
Dance floor with ladies who actually want to dance with you and for you. If you want to dance you buy a dance ticket for reasonable amount and bam you dance with a lady you only dreamed of dancing with in years past.
If you want to take them out then fine. They clock out and whatever you negotiate is your business. No bar fee. No judgement. My only role is to assure their safety by providing security if they desire it. This they would pay small amount for if they wanted to (no pressure at all). They would have minimum number of hours they must actually work in the club with things as noted about and possibly some other activities that would be straight up legal.
Ladies talk to you because they are paid an hourly wage to be there and keep you there buying drinks, food, and entertainment so you wouldn't dream of going to some place that charges you 100p for beer. Playful interaction like you are a fucking king, but you must treat them with respect or you will be asked once to leave and then removed (seriously, the ladies should feel safe and this would be highest priority)
This would be a gentleman's club, not a place for drunk beligerant boys to come and start trouble. You break the rules you out with suspension of variable length.
Big screen TV with Sports while being served by ladies dressed as revealingly as they dare.
Tips to ladies always welcomed.
OK now the part the ladies can comment on.
1. Free financial training.
2. Free STD, prevention, pregnancy, and drug testing and evaluation (one rule any lady refusing to have appropriate testing or coming up positive on drug test is gone. Postive drug tests gets you mandated drug and alcohol program with one chance to return. No third chances no matter how good you are).
3. Benefits.
4. Bonus structure that includes education, English language training, Gym membership (if not on site-possibly private area and another area for viewing "exercise" something some guys are apparently into and I bet for some money some of the ladies will treadmill in a thong for tips.) , and possibly retirement savings plan (I don't know enough about customs and legal issues to really know how to do this.)
5. Free instructions on things like dancing, use of pole, alluring behaviors, body language, Geisha shit. And self defense.
6. Day care off site but close by so they don't need to worry about their kids. Legal assistance at reasonable rate to try to help them with custody issues.
7. Possibly buy nearby apartment building or sublet entire section of one at discount rate for ladies to stay with at cost deduction and amenities provided etc.
8. Choice to leave club completely up to them. Not required to do anything other than business activities sanctioned in the club.
9. All girls must be independent as they can't work for two bosses. Contractural relationship clearly seperating work in bar from that outside if they desire to do so. (no offence intended to anyone associated with the list here but they ladies I would hire would be of the caliber that they would not need anyone to help promote them.
10. Of course I would advertise on the AP list if allowed by admin.
Pete[/QUOTE]Maybe an extra large house where the girls can lounge around and you can talk to them and get to know them before you decide.
A high-end Privado with a monthly fee of $1000. 00 pesos to get in and drink free beer and soft drinks but it would have to be a members-only club.
I have thought about it also but a man can't own a Privado.
You could allow the girls to live there and pay you rent also.
You should not advertise it and just use word of mouth to keep the police and inspectors away.
They can make your life miserable. I know!
I know it can be done.
Going to need a 5 or 6 bedroom house with a swimming pool and a weight room.
No children allowed.
You need a woman to manage it.
Someone like Jimena is honest and business savy or Romina or Carolina her sister.
From what I understand and I might be wrong on this, maybe Aqualung can help me out on this;
I have been told that you need a class C license for a club and they have not issued one since 1974.
So you would have to buy an existing club and hope that the license carries over but I don't think it does.
Oh well, I think you can do it in Paraguay for sure.
My hunting and fishing lodge WITH girls included for a grand a week per guest. DOLLARS !
Maybe?
TL