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On DNI -
I could totally be wrong and it's not worth me calling my local lawyer here again to check but from what I was told and understand a) yes, you can get legal residency to live here permanently without tourist visa, without getting a DNI. So I understand that residency and DNI are separate things.
But b) you can not get a DNI without establishing residency, so when someone says I went through and got my DNI, it means they are also a legal permanent resident. (there is a separate foreign corporate or business tax ID that you can apply for without establishing any personal residency but that's a whole separate topic and aside from this discussion)
And c) my reference to DNI was in the context that as far as living here full time and owning property - you did not need a DNI. (living here full time in the sense whether you are an actual legal permanent resident or just permanent as in this is your home of operations but you still have to do the Colonia run)
When I first consulted my USA based international properties lawyer (my company has purchased property assets in various countries abroad so I keep one on retainer at a local LA firm) he initially advised me that in order to purchase property here in Argentina, I either should or would need to get a DNI either personally or in the equivalent of the USA TID for corporations or business entities. Now this might be because I was going to and did purchase my property as a classified business asset as far as US tax paying regulations go. But either way, when I then had that checked with a local Argentine firm, they provided a means for me to buy and classify my property as either personal or business asset as far as the US was concerned, and still legally own the property here without a DNI.
Long and boring, so my short version was - living here (in whatever sense) and buying property, does not need a DNI. End of story.
[quote]Long and boring, so my short version was - living here (in whatever sense) and buying property, does not need a DNI. End of story.[/QUOTE]When you apply for permanent residence, you get a visa stamp in your passport and you also get a DNI. That is the way it works. For property purchase you need a CUIT or taxation number. This is seperate from the DNI. Argentinians and permanent residents need their DNI and foreigners need their passport when applying for a CUIT. And you need the CUIT to buy a property. End of story.
[QUOTE=Mpexy]Long and boring, so my short version was - living here (in whatever sense) and buying property, does not need a DNI. End of story.[/QUOTE]Not referring to a DNI per se, but related.
From what I am seeing around town lately, the lack of permanent [u]residency[/u] might come back to haunt you when you go to sell the property. From what I am seeing, people without permanent residency have a much more difficult time selling than those who bothered to get it. This is all anecdotal, and in the end I could be entirely wrong. But the several expats I know who have recently sold or are tying to sell their properties fall into two clearly delineated categories: those with permanent residence, who find selling relatively easy, and those without, who are having a royal pain in the ass selling.
If you've gone to the trouble of getting on the permanent residency track, it strikes me as somewhat ridiculous not to go ahead and get your DNI. Not that you [u]need[/u] it, but at that point, why not?
I'm no expert, but my experience from buying, selling, and then buying a second property in Argentina, showed me.
1 You need a CUIT.
2 You don't need a DNI.
3 Buying is straightforward, but to sell, my only problem was that I needed proof of a divorce. i.e.. From the UK the original divorce document had to be approved by the Foreign Office and then translated by an official translator here in Argentina.
More or less.
Good report and another reason to get a DNI is that it's easy to have Argentina as a refugee if things go wrong in your country (civil war, etc)
I was wondering if an Argentine buys clothes she can pass me the receipts and I can claim the tax-free refund with my EU pasport?
And does this work if you are Argentinian with an European pasport?
[QUOTE=Redondo]Good report and another reason to get a DNI is that it's easy to have Argentina as a refugee if things go wrong in your country (civil war, etc)[/QUOTE][blue]Greetings everyone,
I know that this is "The Critic-Free Zone", but there's an exception for Redondo because he is what's known as a "Reoccurring Idiot".
Redondo, you ignorant ****: As has already been discussed several times in this forum, a DNI and a residency have no connection with each other. A DNI is a tax ID number, and a residency is the permission to live in the country. Thus, in the event that "things go wrong in your country", one would need a residency to live here in Argentina, not a DNI.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Sidney Riley]If you've gone to the trouble of getting on the permanent residency track, it strikes me as somewhat ridiculous not to go ahead and get your DNI. Not that you [u]need[/u] it, but at that point, why not?[/QUOTE][blue]I've asked this question a number of times in person and on this forum, and I have yet to get an answer, but here it is again:
Why would anyone voluntarily obtain a Tax ID number by registering themselves with the Argentina tax authorities, thus deliberately placing themselves under the auspices of said tax authorities, all to have a tax ID number that they do not need?
This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know. Is there some advantage that I'm unaware of? I know you don't need a DNI to open a bank account, buy health insurance, or buy a car, or to buy property, so it's not for those reasons. Does having a DNI (instead of a CUIT) make it easier to buy and sell property here in Argentina?
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
AFAIK your DNI and CUIT are (almost) the same number, meaning that if there is a difference, it is only in the first bit.
You need a CUIT to buy the property, otherwise the escritura can not be completed, leaving you with only a very expensive piece of paper, but without the property.
The moment you have a DNI, you automatically have a CUIT.
Please correct me if I am wrong. (Aqualung?)
Seaman
"Reoccurring Idiot".
I like that phrase, not quite as good as ""CockSucker" but it gets the point across.
Exon
[QUOTE=Jackson][blue]I've asked this question a number of times in person and on this forum, and I have yet to get an answer, but here it is again:
Why would anyone voluntarily obtain a Tax ID number by registering themselves with the Argentina tax authorities, thus deliberately placing themselves under the auspices of said tax authorities, all to have a tax ID number that they do not need?
This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know. Is there some advantage that I'm unaware of? I know you don't need a DNI to open a bank account, buy health insurance, or buy a car, or to buy property, so it's not for those reasons. Does having a DNI (instead of a CUIT) make it easier to buy and sell property here in Argentina?
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]The DNI is an identification document. Compulsory for all Argentinos and all permanent residents.
The CUIT is your tax file number and if you are not in receipt of monies earned in Argentina, there is no tax or reports to be made or paid. In my case since I do not receive income here, I have never made a report or been requested to make a report. So it is not a hassle. But the CUIT is the document you need to buy a property and to sell it.
To answer your question Jackson, the DNI makes no difference in the buying and selling of property but does have great advantages in travel. No need for visas for the other attached countries to Argentina. Just the DNI. No passport either required and it sure as hell is much more convenient in size than a passport. Especially for the million and one times your ID is demanded. And there is no need ever to do a visa run again. I have had mine for 17 years and it never goes out of date.
Suerte.
Argento
First, the confusion of DNI vs. CUIT.
The DNI is the "Documento Nacionál de Identidad". It IS not a number, it HAS one, and it is the identity document every Argentine citizen has to bear, and which, among other things, enables him to travel to adjacent countries, but also identifies him in all kinds of official and private business. This type of document is known in a lot of countries (including my own) to me the anglo - saxon part of the world seems to be the exception of this habit.
And, apart from Argentine nationals, it is also issued to foreigners with a legal residential status. Compare it to a green card.
Second, good life costs money. And for most people, the reason of getting up in the morning and engage in some sort of commercial activity is to earn that money they need / want to have a decent to good life, today and during the days after they retire from said activities. And that women are part of a good life is, as I assume, general consensus on this board. And the traditional way, and fortunately latin societies are quite traditional, is that the gentleman pays the bill.
I understand both the points of Thomaso, whom I consider a personal friend, and from whom I know that he earned his money the hard way, as well as tha one of Mpexy. I also invited a lady I met through the "hobby" to my country, and I was rewarded by some of the most unforgettable days of my life. And that's not only sex. That's the joy in the eyes of somebody who has never seen snow in her life when driving through wintery mountains. And throwing snowballs. And that is something a million bucks can't buy.
I have never been overly attracted by "model types". That has to do with that I don't feel too comfortable in the glamorous world, and with the fact that I very well know a professional photographer wo describes models as the most stupid species on the planet. It is all a question of personal abilities and preferences.
Just 2 centavos de.
El Alemán
Argento,
We have written the same thing at the same time - you just were a bit faster!
[QUOTE=Jackson][blue]Greetings everyone,
I know that this is "The Critic-Free Zone", but there's an exception for Redondo because he is what's known as a "Reoccurring Idiot".
Redondo, you ignorant ****: As has already been discussed several times in this forum, a DNI and a residency have no connection with each other. A DNI is a tax ID number, and a residency is the permission to live in the country. Thus, in the event that "things go wrong in your country", one would need a residency to live here in Argentina, not a DNI.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]If you have a DNI you are a citizen of Argentina and you must be allowed in to the country.
Did your parents teach you to insult?
[QUOTE=Redondo]If you have a DNI you are a citizen of Argentina and you must be allowed in to the country.
Did your parents teach you to insult?[/QUOTE][blue]Redondo, you ignorant ****.
Wrong again. Citizens of other countries who have an Argentine residency can obtain a DNI, and of course the aformentioned group are not Argentine citizens.
And no, I learned to insult idiots all by myself. It's a natural response to my inability to easily suffer fools.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]