1 hour w anal = how much anal?
When you pay for 1h cola, how long can you reasonably expect to pound her ass for?
Maybe my expectations are unrealistic: when I pay for one hour w cola and bbbj, I expect about 10 min of serious bbbj, then about 50 min in her asshole. I wouldn't consider that exceptional service – it's what I've paid for and it's what I expect.
I've found this is almost universally not how the girls see it, and it's a source of many of my disappointing sessions this trip. So far I've seen about 10 girls, and not one of them has provided good service. Generally, they can't do more than 15-20 min before they start complaining, 'encouraging' me to come. I think that's pathetic and annoying. They shouldn't agree to 1 hour w anal, if they can't do one hour anal sex. It's that simple. Am I wrong?
Unreasonable anal expectations
[QUOTE=Fedora]When you pay for 1h cola, how long can you reasonably expect to pound her ass for?
Maybe my expectations are unrealistic: when I pay for one hour w cola and bbbj, I expect about 10 min of serious bbbj, then about 50 min in her asshole. I wouldn't consider that exceptional service – it's what I've paid for and it's what I expect.
I've found this is almost universally not how the girls see it, and it's a source of many of my disappointing sessions this trip. So far I've seen about 10 girls, and not one of them has provided good service. Generally, they can't do more than 15-20 min before they start complaining, 'encouraging' me to come. I think that's pathetic and annoying. They shouldn't agree to 1 hour w anal, if they can't do one hour anal sex. It's that simple. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]Your expectations are certainly unrealistic - probably a result of watching too many porn films. The simple fact is that most girls really dislike anal sex. When you say "they shouldn't agree to one hour with anal if they can't do 1 hour with anal", that may be a valid point when the girl really is independent (you met her in a club say and discussed this with her before agreeing a price) but with privado girls the situation is different. Privado owners want their girls to offer anal sex because there is a big local demand for it and they can charge 50 or 100 pesos more per hour for "completo" than "conventional". Some privados won't even employ a girl unless she agrees to provide anal. So to put it simply, many girls, who offer anal sex only do it because they are under pressure from privado operators to do so and because they can make more money that way. Some girls have learned the technique of relaxing their anal muscles and (often with the help of anaesthetic gel) can take a pounding for as long as you like without any ill effects. I have even come across a few girls who actually seem to enjoy it. More likely however, a girl can endure it for a few minutes but will try to find anyway she can to get you to stop as soon as possible. If you can't empathise with the girls who do this, then I suggest you try this experiment. Using a dildo about the same size as your cock, fuck yourself hard in the arse for 50 minutes without stopping. Fun was it? To get the feel for what it must be like for the girl, repeat the experiment a couple more times the same day.
To avoid misunderstanding about what "completo" actually means, when I visit a privado I always take the basic "conventional" option. Then when I am in bed with the girl I tell her that just because I am paying for sex doesn't mean I expect to do anything she doesn't like (CIM, CIG, ANAL, besos negros etc) and I chat to her ask her what she thinks about anal and other additional services. She might say "well although the privado says I do, it really hurts me", then that's fine with me and I stick to the conventional route. If on the other hand she says "sure that' s cool with me", then I agree to pay her a propina and away we go. A couple of times after a preliminary chat, I've even had a girl do it without asking for a propina. In fact I have often found that once I have established a good rapport with a girl, especially after a second or third visit, I get a much more enthusiastic and full-on service.
Lysander
Lazy and incompetent chicas?
[QUOTE=Fedora]About the girls and the job and how hard it is - I'm sure it can be unpleasant (though they tell me that with anesthetic cream, they don't feel much at all) - however, that's the job they signed up for. Here is how I think of it: I'm sure working on road construction in the heat in the summer in Buenos Aires is really, really unpleasant - hours and hours in the burning heat digging holes in the ground with cars moving around you. It's a tough job and very unpleasant. But that's the job they signed up for, so that's what they do. They dig holes for hours. Same goes for the girls. They have a hard job. As a compensation, they make very much more than the guys digging holes all day. So I see no reason why they shouldn't do their job. It's just incompetence and laziness.[/QUOTE]Well Fedora. Your post says it all really. Your comparison with road construction workers is quite revealing. From your point of view if you've paid her for a service the chica should deliver, even if she finds it unpleasant. Girls tell me that for a lot of guys, especially locals and other latinos, one of the attraction of P4P is a power thing. They pay their money and for an hour they own her - she has to do whatever they want. For these guys anal sex is a big turn on not because it feels any better, but because it is something that most normal girlfriends don't really like doing. The common use of the spanish verb entregar (as in "entrego la cola" - I. E. She gave up her anus) conveys this attitude all too clearly.
Call me a soft hearted sentimental old fool if you like. But I prefer to treat chicas as human beings and not just as sex objects or "sex service providers" At a practical level it also means I often have a much more memorable engaging experience.
Lysander
Don't be confused: I am a very, very nice guy!
Some of the strange comments below are confused and off topic, so, just so there is no confusion: I am a ridiculously nice guy! I never do anything to a girl I feel she's not into. This is what's been happening: I pay for an hour w cola. Then I notice the girl isn't into it. Then I stop. Because I am a very nice guy. I just come quickly, and then I leave and I feel bad about the whole thing. Not just did I waste my money, but I also got pissed off. Then I try again. I keep looking for someone who can provide what I want and what I ask for and I'm told I'll get. I keep thinking, mistakenly, that I'll get what I'm paying for.
On my many previous trips to BA, I've never had a problem finding girls I clicked with and who were into my style of fucking. Trust me, there are many working girls out there who are extremely skilled at giving extended session of anal sex. Some of these girls I've seen over and over again and befriended.
But so far on this trip, I've just been lucky with one girl - and she's a very flaky independent and so hard to get hold of.
Snuggle, Cuddle and Chat?
To continue the digressions (the topic, remember, is: how much anal to reasonably expect when you've paid for one hour of anal – I suggest one hour (take or give a few min) – still looking for other rational suggestions):
To think it is wrong to see (and treat) a sex worker as a sex object is as absurd as thinking it is wrong to see (and treat) a sheep herder as a sheep herder or a tailor as a tailor.
I suspect those who see a difference do so for one of two reasons: a) they think sex is some kind of morally tainted activity– and that's why it's difference from tailoring and sheep herding. It isn't. That's an illusion. It's just an activity like eating or walking or talking or any other the other tings we do – except it feels really good. Or: B) they think women should be thought of as 'pure' and that having sex is in some way degrading for them or contaminates them. This is blatant sexism. It doesn't make woman 'impure' or degraded to have sex– it's just a smart way to make money.
All that said, of course we should be nice and friendly to all the people we interact with in all walks of life – treating a tailor as a tailor, doesn't mean you're not nice to her. Seeing someone who's selling an hour of anal sex as a sex object, doesn't mean you're not nice to her. (Unless you're under the illusion that having anal sex with someone is being 'not nice' to them (try telling that to all the gay guys out there)
Of course, and now I'm digressing from the digression, some guys are not that into fucking when they see sex workers: they are into what some girls think of as SCC'ing: Snuggle, Cuddle and Chatting (maybe with a little gentle poking at the end) That's fine, with me. You can pay for that – I don't get it, but there's a lot of stuff I don't get. But it's not more morally pure or friendly towards prostitutes. It you want to be nice to people, give money to Amnesty.
I only do it if they actually like it.
[QUOTE=Fedora]Some of the strange comments below are confused and off topic, so, just so there is no confusion: I am a ridiculously nice guy! I never do anything to a girl I feel she's not into. This is what's been happening: I pay for an hour w cola. Then I notice the girl isn't into it. Then I stop. Because I am a very nice guy. I just come quickly, and then I leave and I feel bad about the whole thing. Not just did I waste my money, but I also got pissed off. Then I try again. I keep looking for someone who can provide what I want and what I ask for and I'm told I'll get. I keep thinking, mistakenly, that I'll get what I'm paying for.
On my many previous trips to BA, I've never had a problem finding girls I clicked with and who were into my style of fucking. Trust me, there are many working girls out there who are extremely skilled at giving extended session of anal sex. Some of these girls I've seen over and over again and befriended.
But so far on this trip, I've just been lucky with one girl - and she's a very flaky independent and so hard to get hold of.[/QUOTE]I am a very nice guy too but business is business!
I actively seek out the ANAL QUEENS.
It's a truly wonderful thing to watch these girls have anal orgasms.
Much more intense than a vaginal and no worries about pregnancy!
The girl will tell you if she likes it or not from the get go.
I have witnessed transformations where the girls now prefer anal over conventional.
I never ask them to do something that they don't like because the service will be a joke!
I'm sure that many of girls do not like it but the ones that do are really into it.
A huge percentage of Paraguayans and Brazilians love it but Argentines are a little less likely to enjoy it.
Then again it's ALL about the technique and preparation.
Many of the Privado girls are stuck having to fuck ugly, drunk locals that treat them like shit.
TL
Nothing to do do with morality
[QUOTE=Fedora]To continue the digressions (the topic, remember, is: how much anal to reasonably expect when you've paid for one hour of anal – I suggest one hour (take or give a few min) – still looking for other rational suggestions):
To think it is wrong to see (and treat) a sex worker as a sex object is as absurd as thinking it is wrong to see (and treat) a sheep herder as a sheep herder or a tailor as a tailor.
I suspect those who see a difference do so for one of two reasons: a) they think sex is some kind of morally tainted activity– and that's why it's difference from tailoring and sheep herding. It isn't. That's an illusion. It's just an activity like eating or walking or talking or any other the other tings we do – except it feels really good. Or: be) they think women should be thought of as 'pure' and that having sex is in some way degrading for them or contaminates them. This is blatant sexism. It doesn't make woman 'impure' or degraded to have sex– it's just a smart way to make money.
All that said, of course we should be nice and friendly to all the people we interact with in all walks of life – treating a tailor as a tailor, doesn't mean you're not nice to her. Seeing someone who's selling an hour of anal sex as a sex object, doesn't mean you're not nice to her. (Unless you're under the illusion that having anal sex with someone is being 'not nice' to them (try telling that to all the gay guys out there)
Of course, and now I'm digressing from the digression, some guys are not that into fucking when they see sex workers: they are into what some girls think of as SCC'ing: Snuggle, Cuddle and Chatting (maybe with a little gentle poking at the end) That's fine, with me. You can pay for that – I don't get it, but there's a lot of stuff I don't get. But it's not more morally pure or friendly towards prostitutes. It you want to be nice to people, give money to Amnesty.[/QUOTE]Fedora, you just don't get it do you? This is nothing to do with morality. I don't think there is anything morally wrong with selling sex, nor do I think it has to be degrading for women. Far from it. And in case you think I am the kind of guy who would waste my money paying for "snuggling cuddling and chatting", let me assure you that when I am paying for sex I like to maximise the time actually spent quality fucking. However, sex isn't just another service like getting your car fixed, or having your trousers dry cleaned The kind of service you get from a chica depends very much on how you treat her, and whether she likes you or not. If the dry cleaner doesn't like you, you'll still get your trousers cleaned properly. With sexual services it is different. If you expect a girl to submit to anal sex for 50 minutes even though she finds it painful, just because you've paid for it, then as you have found, you are very likely to have a disappointing experience.
Lysander