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Jackson,
I respectively ask that you do not have this section on WSG. It needs to be password protected or invitation only by the people that you know or that has been recommended by a person that you know. That is one of the reason that I wanted to go to a pay system, but that is your decision.
I love photos as much as anyone, and post a lot on pay and password protected boards. I will not post here though.
These girls are very computer literate in BA, and they all know about your site. I do not think it is going to set very well for the rest of us if they know that a few hours after we take them out of one of the clubs, their photos are free and open on the internet for the entire world and their family to see. Yes many of the girls are on websites, but many are not. I do not mind sharing between friends, but not the entire world.
How about keeping this section for Argentina Private? That way only the people that you know, or someone that is recommended by a person that you know, has access.
Moondog
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Saint,
No disrespect to you , as you are a good friend. I just do not think the photos that we take of the girls should be available to the general public as free as they are now on WSG.
Moondog
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Moondog,
I totally agree with your statement. If all of the guys are gentleman like Saint it wouldn't be a problem. He said in his post that the girls are on the internet already or he told them.
The problem I have is that we don't really know if the girl wants her picture shown. Now Saint wouldn't do anything against a girls wish and you noticed that the one that didn't want her face shown just turned away. The problem with lesser know guys is if they are posting the pictures to get back at a girl that pissed them off. I actually think that the guys can do more harm to a girl by posting about everything that happened in the room with the girl than putting up her picture. With the picture the guys will be able to spot a girl sooner that he has heard good things about. As far as posting details about the experience in the room and some guy expects the same treatment or belittles the girl in the club about things he has read.
Censorship is censorship and a site that talks about sex, is the last place I would expect to find it. I'm sure Jackson knows what he is doing and it will all work out.
By the way Saint I'm pretty sure I was with the Mar Del Plata girl on my last trip, she even asked me if we are friends. I just told her I knew of you!
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I have to agree with Moondog and OutoftheGame and as I said to Jackson in June if he go's to a pay site I would be more than happy to ante up --- I love seeing the pictures, but this could be very dangerous if the pictures are not encripted in some way --- By the way Saint, Sandy is gorgeous, no wonder she gets such great reviews --- Exon
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Moondog,
I agree with your point but here is my point. If a girl already has her face plastered all over Platynum, Area-Vip, Escorts-Argentina, Escort-Baires and the plethera of other sites how can it hurt posting her picture on this site? If anything my pictures are tame compared to some of those pictures. But I do agree with your point. In order for this to work, guys need to be gentlemen and respect girls if they ask not to post their pictures. Like I said, I'm posting pictures of girls already out there on the internet or girls that didn't object to being on the internet.
I probably won't post that many. I have hundreds of pictures but most will remain in my private collection or on the pay sites. Good luck.
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Saint,
I do not think that being a gentleman with the photos is enough, as that will not always prevail. The photo section has to be private, or the entire site has to be private. That is the only way I, and others, will post photos and other reports.
Moondog
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Perhaps I am missing some essential part of the "style" of Argentina, but doesn't this thing kind of police itself? Please allow me to explain:
I monger on the east coast of the US and there are a lot of sites that have reviews of the ladies. The standard to most reviews, (unless the lady is a ripoff), is that you have her permission before you decide to start writing. If you violate this rule, the lady notices, and she spreads the word to her buddies and that monger gets locked out for a while.
If there is a issue with picture taking, wouldn't it work out the same way? If the ladies in B.As. are as computer savvy as you claim, they should either 1:already be offended by the stories that go into deep detail, with names, dates and detailed sexual happenings, (which I guess is not the case), or 2: be able to figure out who posted their pics and freeze him out.
I cannot imagine that there will suddenly be a backlash against native english speakers in this trade due to a few pics, there is too much money to be made. I suppose if this became an unwanted thing, the girls would just stop letting you take pics of them. Now granted they are nice looking and pics are good memories, but if it came down to it, does it matter that much?
Also, wouldn't you already have to have a decent relationship with the lady before you could start snapping away? When I read the posts of the old timers down there they read like two old friends getting together. I suppose that is why they let you take pics in the 1st place, they trust you. Would the same thing apply if a stranger wanted to take pics?
The above was just thinking out loud. As I said I have never been, so I don't know the full score. Personally however, I like seeing the pics because 1: it lets me know what the ladies REALLY look like and 2: it give me something to set my mind to saving up the $$$ for the trip.
Good job everyone on keeping the tone polite and respectful and remember to take it ...
Easy as 1-2-3
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Will it be possible for Jackson to only let members get admission to the photo-galleries?
If non-members enter the forum they will not see the threads containing the pixs??
I know this is what's done on a forum in RP, where you need to have at least a certain number of posts before you get access to special VIP-threads.
Guess you are reading this one Jackson, so will not put it in "letter to the editor"!
[blue]Hi,
I appreciate your observations, but at the current time I'm simply not prepared to handle the thousands of membership applications that would inevitably result from restricting photo access to members only. In addition, I would suspect that these new members would never contribute anything to the Forum.
To take the concept further, I am exploring options for enhancing the benefits of being a Senior Member. Stay tuned.
Jackson[/blue]
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I totally understand what Moondog is saying. Moondog is a personal friend and I respect his opinions. He has been to BA more than anyone I know except for guys like Andres and Jackson. I think the point he is making is that this is a very open forum. The site is viewed worldwide by tens of thousands of people. Many girls value their privacy more than anything and would hate for friends, family or anyone else for that matter seeing them on a sex site. I do understand that.
I think we REALLY need to be careful with this. Like I said, I've only posted pictures of girls that are already on other sites so I see no harm done. But still, I respect what Moondog is saying.
Also, keep in mind that all of the girls I have posted I have had great sessions with. They are already on the internet so their business will probably increase. I still keep in contact via email with several girls and if they make it known to me they no longer want their photo posted I'll remove it.
Good luck fellas.
Saint
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As a newer person in this group I feel that if the women do not mind having their pictures posted than it is fine to post it here in WSG Forum.
Here is one reason why it is a good idea. I think this Sandy girl is great and it seems that people here enjoy her company. So when I finally get to BA I now know that I would like to give her a call and set up a meeting.
This forum is here to help people and to give out information. I believe having this photo sections falls into these two categories.
Thank You,
Boxing Rule 222
P.S. Could someone tell me where Sandy works? She is the first person I would like to call when I get to Buenos Aires.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Easyas123
[i]Perhaps I am missing some essential part of the "style" of Argentina, but doesn't this thing kind of police itself? Please allow me to explain:
I monger on the east coast of the US and there are a lot of sites that have reviews of the ladies. The standard to most reviews, (unless the lady is a ripoff), is that you have her permission before you decide to start writing. If you violate this rule, the lady notices, and she spreads the word to her buddies and that monger gets locked out for a while.
If there is a issue with picture taking, wouldn't it work out the same way? If the ladies in B.As. are as computer savvy as you claim, they should either 1:already be offended by the stories that go into deep detail, with names, dates and detailed sexual happenings, (which I guess is not the case), or 2: be able to figure out who posted their pics and freeze him out.
I cannot imagine that there will suddenly be a backlash against native english speakers in this trade due to a few pics, there is too much money to be made. I suppose if this became an unwanted thing, the girls would just stop letting you take pics of them. Now granted they are nice looking and pics are good memories, but if it came down to it, does it matter that much?
Also, wouldn't you already have to have a decent relationship with the lady before you could start snapping away? When I read the posts of the old timers down there they read like two old friends getting together. I suppose that is why they let you take pics in the 1st place, they trust you. Would the same thing apply if a stranger wanted to take pics?
The above was just thinking out loud. As I said I have never been, so I don't know the full score. Personally however, I like seeing the pics because 1: it lets me know what the ladies REALLY look like and 2: it give me something to set my mind to saving up the $$$ for the trip.
Good job everyone on keeping the tone polite and respectful and remember to take it ...
Easy as 1-2-3 [/i][/QUOTE]
Easy,
It really does not police itself. The sites that you mention that have reviews of the girls are password protected and you usually have to pay a fee to get all the details.
The girls in BA are very giving, and although many are computer savy, a lot are not. But maybe someone in their family is. A guy can meet a girl in a cafe, have some fun, take some photos, and aftrer she leaves, post them on WSG for the world to see. Along comes her brother looking at a free and available website for info, and stumbles across the photo gallery in the Argentina section, and see his sister.
All hell breaks loose, and immediately the word gets out in that cafe and others not to trust a certain guy, or worse yet, never to allow any more photos. This can happen within 24 hours, and believe me, these girls are so networked, that the guys's name will be mud in a day or two, especialy if he is well known.
This will not happen in an invitation only protected site, as the girls will not be allowed in, and if a pay site, they will not pay.
You say you have never been to BA. I have a website that is meant for the newbie to BA, and will give you a taste of what there is to offer is this fantastic city. It is updated on a regular basis to four different pay and pay/invitation only/password protected websites. The members of those sites benefit from other reports just like it. Yet until there is a private or pay section for this sort of item, I will not post it here.
I love to share the photos, but in a limited way.
Moondog
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Moondog...
The sites I am speaking of are not password protected. I know that there are some out there that are, but in the area of the country I am located, that is the exception, not the norm. The pay sites actually have a rep of being shady as a few of them allow the lady being reviewed to pull their posts if they do not like them. Which of course is the POINT of the review.
I do not understand how posting photos without permission would not police itself. If the monger in question does not get permission to post the photos, wouldn't you WANT his name to be mud?
Quote: " All hell breaks loose, and immediately the word gets out in that cafe and others not to trust a certain guy, or worse yet, never to allow any more photos. This can happen within 24 hours, and believe me, these girls are so networked, that the guys's name will be mud in a day or two, especialy if he is well known."
Wouldn't that be the penalty for not asking permission? And is the loss of photo permission such a great loss? I have been mongering for a bit now and I have never felt a sense of loss from not having phots of the ladies, even the ones I am close to.
And as far as pay sites go, wouldn't someones brother be just as computer savvy on a pay site as much as a free site? If someones brother/father is out looking for a pro on the internet, then if they are any good, they are gonna find SOME reference somewhere. Otherwise the internet would be a pointless place to look for that info. Even if all sites like this one were pay sites, then anyone who was serious would end up paying...and see what was there.
I don't AT ALL mean to tell you, or anyone else what to do with their photos. They belong to you, do with them what you will. I will say however that any info on the net, that is not small and protected better than a misslile silo is going to get out.
Thank you all for your ear and your courtesy.
Easy as 1-2-3
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Easy,
Let's just agree to disagree as this could go on for a while. I just know that until there is a private side of WSG, I will not be posting any photos or websites.
Respectfully,
Moondog
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MoonDog
[i]Easy,
Let's just agree to disagree as this could go on for a while. I just know that until there is a private side of WSG, I will not be posting any photos or websites.
Respectfully,
Moondog [/i][/QUOTE]
MoonDog,
Why are you so interested in turning this forum into a pay site? Don't you know that there are already other pay sites? Yes, you do know that since you are posting in them, but then, why do you need one more pay site? Haven't you realized that all those other pay sites are second-rate in comparison with the WSG? Haven't you realized that the WSG is the best site for worldwide hunting precisely because it is free? Have you got any financial interest in any of those other sites? I suppose so, I can't find any other reason for your pointless posts.
Yes, MoonDog, keep posting your compromising pics and superb webpages in those other sites, they are very safe there, it is really difficult to access them, in fact to see them there are 2 options:
1. Pay a few bucks, which is what all those wonderful alternative sites charge for having complete access to all their content -then you can use the copy and paste functions to post their content wherever else you want on the net. Have you ever heard about the copy and paste functions, MoonDog?
2. Get familiar with hacking forums and get FREE paswords to access those other second-rate forums where you can read and view all their content (worse in every sense than the WSG, by the way), and obviously you can use the copy & paste functions too to post MoonDog's last lay pics all over the net so that her computer literate family see her next time they get on line.
MoonDog, as you see there is no point banning free access to pics in this forum if you are posting them somewhere else that is also under a heavy exposure to, let's say, unscrupulous users.
MoonDog, if you really want to avoid the risk of your next lay being exposed all over the net just don't take any pics of her, or take them and keep them for yourself by not posting them anywhere.
As soon as you post them (either on a pay or free site) you are giving them away.
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People will have strong feelings on this issue of sharing photos. Gladiator, you make some valid points about how even pay sites don't prevent guys from downloading them and posting them elsewhere on the internet.
Like I said, Moondog is a friend of mine. I can say with certainty that he doesn't have any financial interest in any of the pay sites. He is a guy that enjoys traveling and helping other guys. He is also a gentleman that cares about the feelings about some of these girls. Yes, a guy can download pictures from the pay sites but the chances of the girl accessing her own picture on that site is slim to none due to the fact that she has to register with a credit card. I think that was the only point he was trying to make.
Again, most girls in Buenos Aires not only know about the internet but also have email addresses. I've only met a handful that didn't have an email address. (Keep in mind I'm not calling girls from the Clarin like some of the dudes that go there). The girls on Platynum, Escorts-Argentina, Area-Vip, et. al know about the power of the internet. Most of the club girls know about it too. These girls all talk with one another. I've even had some girls ask me to post their picture in the hopes of getting more business. I asked them how they knew about it and they said that random guys were coming into the club asking for "Jane Doe" without even knowing who she was. It wasn't long before the girls figured out it could be good for business.
The past several trips I haven't even taken pictures. It gets old after a while. But when I was taking them I'd have two cameras. One regular and one digital. I thought it was funny that many of the girls would laugh and say the digital one was for internet pictures. If you go back and read some trip reports I think i even mentioned that fact. Still, out of the hundreds of pictures I have I don't have their express permission so I'll block out their faces or not post them.
Even though I'm posting pictures I'm only posting pictures of girls that expressly gave me permission to post their picture on the internet or I blocked out their face. I really think that there should be some unwritten rules when it comes to posting pictures. (1) either you get their permission to post on internet; (2) you block out their face to provide them with privacy; (3) you took the picture YOURSELF. Do NOT post pictures that you did NOT take. There was a case of some dude posting pictures he claimed to have taken and I found the website that he cut and pasted from. Needless to say he ended up looking like a jackass. The girls he were posting weren't even in the business. That is the biggest problem I see with ANY internet site that allows you to post pictures (public or private).
Everyone has opinions on this. No one is right or wrong as long as they stay civil and use good judgement. Have fun all.