Sao Paulo: What does it cost?

I wonder if somebody has some experience about living in SP because I would like to know what it approx. Cost.

I spend about 100 peso a day (excluding rent) in BA and I would think it would be atleast 200 reales in SP.

What does it cost to rent a small (30/40m2) fully furnished appartment in a nice building (Puerto Madero or similar, so probally Jardims, Vila Olimpia, Madalena, Itaim) with everything included for 6 months?

Wouldn't this get a much better response on the ISG Brazil forum?

I don't know, I am not active on that forum.

And right now I just want some rough estimates.

Cost is twice as much as BA.

Thanks,

I was thinking about the same lines.

I estimated I need about 200 reales a day there and about 100 peso in BA.

I doubt also that a small 30-40 m2 appartment will cost around 2000 dollar. I think it would be close to 1500 dollar.

How much time did you spend there?

Thomaso is a little off, it is about 2.5 times more. I am in Rio now and was in Sao Paulo a few days before. The prices in Rio have gone up but Sao Paulo is worse than here. With the dollar falling against the Real and the Brazilian economy growing things are getting a little expensive here and in Sao Paulo for us Gringos, but hey all you guys come here to Brazil and spend you dough, leave me more chicas in BA to play with.

Redondo, I have never been to Brasil. Just an educated guess about costs.

I booked 3 and 4 star hotels in the central area of Sao Paulo for next month for about $45 a night (double occupancy) when Orbitz has their $200 coupon for 5 nights. Not an apartment, but it should work out well. If you're willing to spend the time looking for some deals, you can save some money.

Cost for RIO compared to BUE.

SAO must be a little more expensive.

Subte +Buses x 5

Taxi x 3

Restaurants x 1,5-2 or even more.

Daily Rent x 1,5-2

Chicas x 1,5-2

Quality of most apartments in RIO is well below BUE standards.

I would say, considering mongering every other day, that R$ 220 average will be enough.

El Greco

[QUOTE=El Greco]Cost for RIO compared to BUE.

SAO must be a little more expensive.

Subte +Buses x 5

Taxi x 3

Restaurants x 1,5-2 or even more.

Daily Rent x 1,5-2

Chicas x 1,5-2

Quality of most apartments in RIO is well below BUE standards.

I would say, considering mongering every other day, that R$ 220 average will be enough.

El Greco[/QUOTE]The 220 reales without rent?

I haven't been to any of the appartments but I doubt Brooklin, Murumbi, Jardims, Vila Madalena, Villa Olimpo, Itaim are below the BA standard

I live in Sao Paulo, and the costs are more or less:

Metro: 2,30 reais (1,3 USD)

Hotels medium: 150 reais and up (83 USD and up)

Dinner, cheapest (lanchonetes): 8 reais (4,4 USD)

Dinner, medium: 19 reais (10 USD)

Dinner expensive (wine inclusive, one person): 80 reais and up (44 USD)

Pizza, sitting down cheap place: 10-15 reais (5-8,3 USD)

Pizza, sitting down exp. Place: 30 reais (16,6 USD)

Beer, cheap bar: 3 reais (a bottle of 600 ml)1,6 USD)

Beer, more expensive bar: 4 reais (a glass of 300 ml draft beer)2,2 USD)

Taxi: About 20 reias for 10 km. (11 USD)

Girl, cheap place: 30 reias for 30 mins (16,6 USD)

Girl, medium place: 80-100 reais for 1 hour (44-55 USD)

Girl, freelancer 100-300 reais for 2 hours (55-166 USD)

Girl, expensive place 150-300 reais for 1 hour+ (83-166 USD)

Internet connection (cyber cafe) apx. 2 reais / hour (1,1 USD)

You can find cheaper hotels, of course, even some with good standard. Look for the express-options, like Holiday Inn Express. About 100 reais (55 USD). I guess you can find even cheaper (and good) options, too.

As you can see taxis are considerably more expensive in SP. In addition, SP is a much larger city than BA. But the trick if is to take a taxi to the nearest metro station, then metro, then walk or take a taxi to where you are going. And also, of course, to try and stay within a certain region.

An exaggerated day would with a cheap (but OK) hotel, a 30 min session for lunch in a typical prive, a cheap lunch, a couple of beers, a taxi ride or 2, the metro, a 1 hour session in a good massage house and a 1 hour session in a good night club, plus a nice dinner, would set you back about: 550 reais (305 USD). Of course, you can save by just going to cheaper places all over the line. And make it more expensive by going to the bars with the best scottish single malts (from the island of Islay, of course...- not that you will find any working ladies in these places, only good whisky). But beware, if you intend to buy a lot of gifts to your wife, just add the dollars up...the shopping options are endless, and imported goods are twice the price in SP thanks to ridiculous import taxes. You will find an excellent selection of the latest stuff from Versace, but with an absurd price tag.

Have a look at [url]http://www.gpguia.net[/url] for info on mongering in SP. This will also give you an idea of pricing. There are endless oportunities, from massage parlours to so called prives (like apartments in BA), to night clubs and free-lancers all over the place. And in all price ranges. I would recommend going to prives, and the medium to less expensive night clubs. Seek out other areas than Jardims. Explore. Good luck!

P.S. To rent a place is expensive, and complicated - as they want someone to sign to guarantee you paying the rent. Your only option is a so called flat, and that will cost anywhere from 70 reais and upwards per day.

Thank you Oliver.

Short term rent like in BA is not available?

Due to Visa regulations I am not able to stay more then 6 months but I would like to stay in a appartment (Puerto Madero or similiar) and I would like to pay around 1500/1800 dollars a month.

Is it a good idea to look for a place close to the metro? I have been only a few days to SP but to me it seems it's less available (Bigger city) then in BA.

Is the metro save and untill what time do they run?

Yes, the metro is safe. It runs up until around midnight.

The best place to stay is possibly Jardims, but you could also try Pinheiros, Itaim Bibi or Higienopolis. In Pinheiros you will find the neighborhood Vila Madalena, which is great for bars, restaurant and nightlife. Vila Madalena is also a metro station.

If you can stay next to a metro life will be easier. Search the internet for "flats" in Sao Paulo, and negotiate a good price seeing as you will be staying 6 months. That should give you a great price.

You could get a flat for as little as 1000-1500 reais a month (550-830 USD). Do not choose a flat that doesn't have a pool and a gym.

The best thing is to get a newspaper (Folha de Sao Paulo) and check the apartamento alugel section. If you don't speak the language, have someone call for you.

[QUOTE=Oliver90]Yes, the metro is safe. It runs up until around midnight.

The best place to stay is possibly Jardims, but you could also try Pinheiros, Itaim Bibi or Higienopolis. In Pinheiros you will find the neighborhood Vila Madalena, which is great for bars, restaurant and nightlife. Vila Madalena is also a metro station.

If you can stay next to a metro life will be easier. Search the internet for "flats" in Sao Paulo, and negotiate a good price seeing as you will be staying 6 months. That should give you a great price.

You could get a flat for as little as 1000-1500 reais a month (550-830 USD) Do not choose a flat that doesn't have a pool and a gym.

The best thing is to get a newspaper (Folha de Sao Paulo) and check the apartamento alugel section. If you don't speak the language, have someone call for you.[/QUOTE]Are you sure you could get an apartment for 1000-1500 reais? In BA this is probally not possible and I was thinking it would be more expensive in SP.

I was also thinking about renting anything close to a metro and I am also like to rent something close to a shopping as I enjoy eating there and it's relative cheap. Any advice?

Is there anything to know about the safety in the neibourghoods you named? As far as I know they are relative safe. And I would probally spend all my time in the better areas

[QUOTE=Redondo]Are you sure you could get an appartement for 1000-1500 reais? In BA this is probally not possible and I was thinking it would be more expensive in SP. [/QUOTE]I just glanced through Saturdays newspaper and saw several flats for around R$ 1500-2000 in many areas. Of course there are also flats for R$2000, 3000, 4000, 10000. But for around R$1500-2000 you should get a nice flat seeing as you are renting for 6 months, not just 20 days. One random example I found was for a loft/style duplex, fully furnished with the standard 'alto padrao' which means high. Price: R$ 1500 per month, call 00 55 11 3555-1992.

Check out the online classified section of Folha (but do try and get the actual newspaper on any give Saturday or Sunday:
[url]http://classificados.folha.com.br/classifolhadll/classifolha.dll/busca/folha/imoveis/casas_apartamentos_flats[/url]

You can also find more hotel-style flats, like:
[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g303631-d551011-Reviews-Le_Premier_Othon_Flat-Sao_Paulo_State_of_Sao_Paulo.html[/url]

The prices here are about 100-150 reais per day, but for a 6 month lease you should get a considerably better deal if you talk to the manager.

[QUOTE=Redondo]I was also thinking about renting anything close to a metro and I am also like to rent something close to a shopping as I enjoy eating there and it's relative cheap. Any advice?[/QUOTE]The metro in SP has very few stations, not like London or Paris. So if you want to stay within walking distance, this limits your choices. If you are willing to live a small taxi ride away from a metro your options increases.

The area of Jardims has literally 100s of flats, and there are many metro stations there. Not all within easy walking distance, though. Also check out the area of Paraiso, on the borders of Jardims; many flats and a metro station.

But also check out Pinheiros, and Higienopolis (where you will find the best pizza in SP at: [url]http://www.casabraz.com.br/site.asp?id_pagina=41[/url]). The latter has metro stations Marechal Deodoro and Santa Cecilia, and in Pinheiros it would be nice living next to Vila Madalena. No shopping really close to Vila Madalena, but plenty of restaurants, bars and some really interesting prives and night clubs. Vila Madalena is a really nice, relaxed neighborhood close (walking distance) to night clubs such as Bomboa ([url]http://www.gpguia.net/phpbb/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=73[/url]). Misterium ([url]http://www.gpguia.net/phpbb/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1708[/url]) plus another 10 or so more down market clubs. In Vila Madalena you also find 4-5 good prives. And the best selection of bars and resturants in the city.

The metro is expanding, so there will be more stations next year. There are shoppings all over. In Higienopolis try Patio Higienopolis. A big one is also opening in December in Barra Funda, a nice area near metro Barra Funda with the recidencial areas Perdizes and Pompeia nearby.

Near Itaim Bibi and Pinheiros is Shopping Iguatemi, one of the nicest in the city, but then again no metro stations.

[QUOTE=Redondo]Is there anything to know about the safety in the neibourghoods you named? As far as I know they are relative safe. And I would probally spend all my time in the better areas[/QUOTE]All relatively safe. Just take normal precautions in the evening / night.

[QUOTE=Redondo]The 220 reales without rent?

I haven't been to any of the appartments but I doubt Brooklin, Murumbi, Jardims, Vila Madalena, Villa Olimpo, Itaim are below the BA standard[/QUOTE]1-Yeap including rent on a monthly basis.

2-I was talking about RIO copacabana, in order to give you an idea, not SAO.

I was only passing by from SAO and I always stay overnight at one of the airport hotels in Guarulhos.

In RIO staying on a daily basis apartment, not monthly, my average daily expenses are R$ 260=100 euros.

In B's A's 260 pesos=65 euros.

In Fortaleza same as Rio but I also rent a car there on a monthly basis.

Oliver is more precise than I could be.

Hope you have enough info now.

El Greco

I think you will find you will be spending alot more than 200r a day. Very expensive city to live in, food, taxis, all cost alot more than BA. Make sure you go to my all time favourite night club "LOVE STORY"most taxis know where it is, keep away Saturday nights its a zoo. There will be a line out front make your way to the front once the boys know that yr a foreigner they will take care of YOU, flick them 10r, they will sort you out for a table which is a good idea. Enjoy

[QUOTE=Atrain]I think you will find you will be spending alot more than 200r a day. Very expensive city to live in, food, taxis, all cost alot more than BA. Make sure you go to my all time favourite night club "LOVE STORY"most taxis know where it is, keep away Saturday nights its a zoo. There will be a line out front make your way to the front once the boys know that yr a foreigner they will take care of YOU, flick them 10r, they will sort you out for a table which is a good idea. ENJOY[/QUOTE]We must have different tastes because I was there and I have never seen so many idiots together. I was approached by at least 3 black, indian girls who wanted to fuck me so if you like dirt poor chicks, it's probally your place

[QUOTE=Oliver90]I just glanced through Saturdays newspaper and saw several flats for around R$ 1500-2000 in many areas. Of course there are also flats for R$2000, 3000, 4000, 10000. But for around R$1500-2000 you should get a nice flat seeing as you are renting for 6 months, not just 20 days. One random example I found was for a loft / style duplex, fully furnished with the standard 'alto padrao' which means high. Price: R$ 1500 per month, call 00 55 11 3555-1992.

Check out the online classified section of Folha (but do try and get the actual newspaper on any give Saturday or Sunday:

[url]http://classificados.folha.com.br/classifolhadll/classifolha.dll/busca/folha/imoveis/casas_apartamentos_flats[/url]

You can also find more hotel-style flats, like:
[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g303631-d551011-Reviews-Le_Premier_Othon_Flat-Sao_Paulo_State_of_Sao_Paulo.html[/url]

The prices here are about 100-150 reais per day, but for a 6 month lease you should get a considerably better deal if you talk to the manager.

The metro in SP has very few stations, not like London or Paris. So if you want to stay within walking distance, this limits your choices. If you are willing to live a small taxi ride away from a metro your options increases.

The area of Jardims has literally 100s of flats, and there are many metro stations there. Not all within easy walking distance, though. Also check out the area of Paraiso, on the borders of Jardims; many flats and a metro station.

But also check out Pinheiros, and Higienopolis (where you will find the best pizza in SP at: [url]http://www.casabraz.com.br/site.asp?id_pagina=41[/url]). The latter has metro stations Marechal Deodoro and Santa Cecilia, and in Pinheiros it would be nice living next to Vila Madalena. No shopping really close to Vila Madalena, but plenty of restaurants, bars and some really interesting prives and night clubs. Vila Madalena is a really nice, relaxed neighborhood close (walking distance) to night clubs such as Bomboa ([url]http://www.gpguia.net/phpbb/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=73[/url]). Misterium ([url]http://www.gpguia.net/phpbb/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1708[/url]) plus another 10 or so more down market clubs. In Vila Madalena you also find 4-5 good prives. And the best selection of bars and resturants in the city.

The metro is expanding, so there will be more stations next year. There are shoppings all over. In Higienopolis try Patio Higienopolis. A big one is also opening in December in Barra Funda, a nice area near metro Barra Funda with the recidencial areas Perdizes and Pompeia nearby.

Near Itaim Bibi and Pinheiros is Shopping Iguatemi, one of the nicest in the city, but then again no metro stations.

All relatively safe. Just take normal precautions in the evening / night.[/QUOTE]Thank you, it was really helpfull.

I might be back in SP next week and I am surely will check it out.

I also spend about 65 euro a month, so maybe 100 should be within reach, especially if renting is cheaper then I thought

[QUOTE=Redondo]We must have different tastes because I was there and I have never seen so many idiots together. I was approached by at least 3 black, indian girls who wanted to fuck me so if you like dirt poor chicks, it's probally your place.[/QUOTE]Redondo,

Maybe you where at wrong place, I did say it's like a zoo on the weekends. I am not old or fat. I have high stds, any time after 2am is best when the tite bars have closed, we have pulled some hotties out of there & they are not on the clock.

[QUOTE=Atrain]Redondo,

Maybe you where at wrong place, I did say it's like a zoo on the weekends. I am not old or fat. I have high stds, any time after 2am is best when the tite bars have closed, we have pulled some hotties out of there & they are not on the clock.[/QUOTE]I was there on Wednesday and if you like white woman who have a life and cash you are in the wrong place.

As I write this, there is an article about Sao Paulo in today's edition of the "New York Times" online. Under the travel section.

[QUOTE=Redondo;376234]I wonder if somebody has some experience about living in SP because I would like to know what it approx. Cost.

I spend about 100 peso a day (excluding rent) in BA and I would think it would be atleast 200 reales in SP.

What does it cost to rent a small (30/40m2) fully furnished appartment in a nice building (Puerto Madero or similar, so probally Jardims, Vila Olimpia, Madalena, Itaim) with everything included for 6 months?[/QUOTE]Hello Man.

To rent a small appartment, cost between $ 2,500. To $ 3,500 (rent) / month + costs. This price is to Vila Olimpia, Itaim Bibi, Vila Madalena, Moema, Jardins. The best regions of São Paulo.

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