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I'm posting this again here (previously in "Living in...") as Jackson has had the foresight to give this important subject it's own channel.
Walking along Azcuenaga and always on the lookout for the Mom and Pop pharmacies that Dickhead said don't ask for a prescription before handing over the goods I decided to give this one a try at Azcuenaga 1235, a couple of blocks north of Santa Fe.
Bought 2 25mg tabs of Sedus Suldenafil and 2 20 mg tabs of Cialis. The Sedus brand is considerably less than Pfizer which they also carry. A local company I think.
2 Suldenafil 25 mg @ $ 5.95 pesos and Cialis x 2 @ $44.84 pesos. Today I bought another packet of 2 Suldenafil at $5.80 pesos, less than $1.00 a piece.
If you don't speak much Spanish write it down for them: Sedus or Pfizer Suldenafil . they'll bring it out for you. You then take the box and the bill to the front and pay the guy in the plexiglass box.
I like Levitra, have you found any availability?
Thanks, Butts
Don't know Levitra but will ask the Farmacia.
Decided to lay in a supply of 25 mg Viagra tabs yesterday and she brought out a 10 pastille (tablet) box. The manufacturer is Sedus but they're best known by the name "Magnus". $39.00 pesos for 10 with a $9.75 peso discount, making them $2.93 pesos each. Which makes them more expensive than buying the little 2 tab packets.
Always cheerfully greeted and assisted.
Bought 60 (50mg) tabs of sildenafil at pharmacia Azul for 187 pesos .
These are scored in half so you can bite off a 25 mg.
The math is 60 x 2 = 120 (25mg doses) or 1.50 pesos per.
CHEAP!
Address is 536 Cordoba across from Gallerias Pacifico
Another possible place for you guys to buy your vitamin V without prescription is the pharmacy conveniently just down the street from Café Excedra on the other side of Córdoba. It's called Farmacia Carlos Pellegrini 765.
I happened to be walking by and on a whim I decided to enter and ask about the cost of Retin-A 5% (Tretinoin). It does wonders for attacking the sun damage that hits you as you age. It's almost like turning back the clock. It isn't covered by my medical insurance since it's considered cosmetic in my case so I pay U$S 50+ a tube every three months or so. Here's it's only $42.53 (ARG) for a 15g tube for the Janssen-Cilag made-in-Argentina version. That's about U$S 15. Cool deal. The pharmacist asked me a few questions (in Spanish) to make sure I knew what I was getting but never asked for a prescription.
Anyone read that Viagra and Cialis can cause blindness?
I always knew that masturbating might, and now Viagra?!
What's this world cumming to??
[url]http://edition.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/05/27/viagra.blindness.ap/[/url]
Vitamin V is available at Farmacia Sanosan, Vicente Lopez and Rodriguez Peña, a place where I have already bought it in previous years.
The only questions asked are which of the various brands, what strength and how many. I took the lokal brand "Vorst", 6 * 100 mg A$are 35.64
A heroic self - experiment will follow tonight.
Take care,
El Alemán.
P. S. On the same corner is also a FarmaCity. NOT there!
I walked into Capt. Dave's Farmacia needing a bottle of "Listerine" mouth wash, (Exon likes it after eating pussy) about a block from the Mansion.
Capt Dave has the Pharmaist so pre-conditioned, (seeing me and knowing a Stupid Americano when he see's one) The man turned and brought back to the counter a box of "Viagra" substitute " Sildenafil" without a word spoken by Exon.
I bought two 50mg. Packs and the Listerine.
Exon
[QUOTE=Jackpot]Bought 60 (50mg) tabs of sildenafil at pharmacia Azul for 187 pesos.
These are scored in half so you can bite off a 25 mg.
The math is 60 x 2 = 120 (25mg doses) or 1.50 pesos per.
CHEAP!
Address is 536 Cordoba across from Gallerias Pacifico[/QUOTE]Man, generic Viagra! I had no idea! I went to this place and they wanted 39 pesos for a pack of ten 50mg Sandoz. They also gave a 10 percent discont. Damn! Thanks Jackpot!
I did the math and that's 8 times cheaper than Pfizer Viagra in Brazil.
I also checked out the place down from Cafe Excedra, they had a pack of 6 50mg for 24 pesos, and a different brand, I forget what. I'd go for the Sandoz, personally.
Hey guys.
I have only tried viagra and it worked ok but gave me somewhat of a stomach ache. Does Cialis have any side effects and how does it compare to Viagra? Also how do these local drugs compare to Viagra? Thanks
[QUOTE=Marak5]hey guys.
I have only tried viagra and it worked ok but gave me somewhat of a stomach ache. Does cialis have any side effects and how does it compare to viagra? Also how do these local drugs compare to viagra? Thanks[/QUOTE]I don't like Vitamin V as well, makes me feel like shit. I take 20 mg cialis and split it in half and take one half every other day. What I like about cialis is if your not having sex no wood but when you start getting busy it's like iron. As far as side effects, sometimes it give me a little gas, and other times my jaw gets a little tight.
It is a little expensive though but if I could figure out the generic and if somebody stocked that perhaps I could save a few pesos.
[QUOTE=Marak5]hey guys.
I have only tried viagra and it worked ok but gave me somewhat of a stomach ache. Does cialis have any side effects and how does it compare to viagra? Also how do these local drugs compare to viagra? Thanks[/QUOTE]If V is giving you a stomach ache, you should take it with food. The main side effect most people report is a skull-splitting headache, for which taking it with a couple of tylenol is reported to work wonders. Also V tends to give you a flushed face.
[QUOTE=Hunt99]If V is giving you a stomach ache, you should take it with food. The main side effect most people report is a skull-splitting headache, for which taking it with a couple of tylenol is reported to work wonders. Also V tends to give you a flushed face.[/QUOTE]I guess it was more of a flushed feeling than an stomach ache, I really felt like shit on it and I'm not sure tylenol would help for that. No headhache though.
[QUOTE=Marak5]I guess it was more of a flushed feeling than an stomach ache, I really felt like shit on it and I'm not sure tylenol would help for that. No headhache though.[/QUOTE]The flushing comes from vasodilation (opening of the blood vessels) That is what makes Viagra, Levitra and Cialis all work. They open the blood vessels in the penis so more blood can flow into the organ causing wood. However they also open "all" blood vessels which is why it causes headaches and facial flushing or stomach upset.
Taking a lower dose or switching to one of the other products is the best way to deal with this annoying side effect of these medications.
It seems from what I have read so far is that generic Viagra is available (such as Vorst or Sedus brands) but I have not seen any success in getting generic Cialis or Levitra in BA pharmacies (aside from the real stuff? Is this correct?
Thx
Guys.
I am noticing this when I take viagra every night. The first night I am hard as a rock for like an hour. Then by the second and all subsequent nights, the effect is much less for me. Maybe I just need to take a pill every other night rather than every night. Anyone else experience this when taking a viagra every night?
I get fewer side effects with Levitra (Vardenafil) but the same pop. The main side effect of Viagra (Sildenafil) for me is that my vision gets a yellow or blue tint (my head feels weird but no headaches) Another nice thing about Levitra is that it kicks in more quickly than Viagra, so that you can pop the pill after you meet your dream girl, without having to wait around too long while the meter is running. Cialis does little or nothing for me. YMMV.
The question is: where can I get Levitra or generic Vardenafil in BA?
As the prior poster noted, I also notice a slight decrease in effect if I take a Levitra every day. And I have broken all the rules and taken more than one per day, and I found that it just did not work. Indeed I got sick. One thing is for sure: they don't work nearly as well on a full stomach. If I fast for 6 hours before taking the pill, I do much better. El toro? No, I am too -------- old. But I can hang in there for 15 rounds or so.
Levetra, as far as I can find out, is not yet available in Argentina.
As for sildenafyl, I find 50mgs is more then I need (I weigh about 190 lbs. And can give me a headache, so I bust 1/3 off a 50 mg. pill and take the big piece.
Every third one take the two small chunks instead.
Works for me.
David
Amen Capt Dave,
These products work by tightening or partially closing off veins, not opening arteries. Hence no erection until stimulated so that blood flows in, but it lasts longer and is more pronounced as blood stays there. So (with respect, I avoid flame wars) I think OslersVoice has it just slightly wrong.
I believe that observed side effects are the result of other veins in the body reacting to the same drug and partially closing in areas (particularly the face) where blood flow in is sufficiently close to blood flow out so that a slight decrease in flow through vein leads to pressure back up on the surface. These side effects do not bother me at all, but are quite uncomfortable for others.
C hits faster and lasts longer than V and many report fewer or lighter side effects, but the effect (erection) can be more pronounced with V. Also, generic V is available and cheap. I have found most generics equal, but not all. I like this one: Bifort-M by Finadiet (orange rectangular foil and plastic package contains 2 bils; boxes of 20 contain 10 of these subcontainers) It is small, chewable (probably speeding delivery) somewhat tasty (mint) reliable, and effective.
50mg of V is equal to 10 mg of C. That is fine, as the large C is 20 mg and corresponds to large V (100 mg) I have not found generic C for sale, but instead buy the real thing at any number of pharmacies. $ 9 to $ 10 US per 20 mg pill.
Personally, I find L uncomfortable (heaviness in the cajones) and not helpful and do not know about dosing.
YMMV, which is one reason that there are three products splitting the market.
Hope this helps, HF
I'm a Viagra virgin, but getting to the age (>50) where I might need a boost. Simple question: what effect -- if any -- does Viagra / Cialis have on ejaculatory control and time to climax?
Let's say (on Viagra) you're banging away missionary style and shoot your load after the standard 10 minutes. What then? Stay erect, and go for two (or five) What if you're erect and just can't make it to a second climax -- does one just declare "time's up" and take a cold shower?
Sorry if this sounds naive, but I really have no idea.
[QUOTE=After5]I'm a Viagra virgin, but getting to the age (>50) where I might need a boost. Simple question: what effect -- if any -- does Viagra / Cialis have on ejaculatory control and time to climax?
Let's say (on Viagra) you're banging away missionary style and shoot your load after the standard 10 minutes. What then? Stay erect, and go for two (or five) What if you're erect and just can't make it to a second climax -- does one just declare "time's up" and take a cold shower?
Sorry if this sounds naive, but I really have no idea.[/QUOTE]In my limited experience with Vitamin V, I found it to delay ejaculation somewhat. Which can be frustrating or welcome, depending on your perspective. I have also found that it is most useful for shortening "recovery time" after blowing your first wad, rather than as a need to get it up in the first place.
After5,
As Hunt says, it delays ejaculation, and it shortens recovery time to "get it up" again. You might however be able to get an erection again, but not yet to come - this happens sometimes to me. But everybody might react a bit differently.
So, best advice, try it, and report. And, maybe a good idea, ask your Doc before trying if it is safe for you.
Have fun during your "applied science" session,
El Alemán
The other thing I would note is that it tends to give me a headache. So when I have taken it, I have taken a tylenol or two at the same time. You may also get a red flush to your face, akin to what some guys get when they are drinking alcohol.
Also, the dosage will depend on your physical state. Some guys need only 25mg, others 50, still others the maximum dose of 100mg. The more you take, the bigger the headache.
I was in BA in March and I bought Sildenafil 50 mg. made by Northia labs for just about 3 pesos each. There are 4 pills in each box. I bought 60 and payed 180 pesos. They work for me. The usual face blushing andslight headache sometimes. Just go into any drug store and don't be timid, just say you want, the viagara 50 mgs. And ask how. Much. If they ask for more than 3 pesos a pill. Tell them that you bought them before for 3 pesos. If they act tough, say "I will go back to other store". And you will see the price come down. Allways rember that you got the money and can go to any drugstore. One drugstore guy told me 8 dollars US for a pill and I said I'll give you 3 pesos. I got them for 3 pesos. Good luck.
Sconjo USA
There is a drug store on Cordoba between Florida and St. Martin where you can buy with no problem.
Good luck,
Sconjo USA
It's called Farmacia Azul. Recently bought 12 of the 50 mg. for just a shade over 3 pesos a pill. I split them in half and notice that 25 mg. works fine and the side effects are much less noticeable (I weigh about 75 kg).
[QUOTE=Sconjo USA]hey dickhead, now that I know that you are weight is 75 kg. Next time I come to ba I am coming to the mansion and kick your ass. Your gonna get a right hand and dowble left hook and that will put you down for the count. Sconjo usa[/QUOTE]Geez, I hope you use up all those "dowble" left hooks on DH, before you get to me or anybody else. Will you confuse us with frequent misspellings before you deign to smote us assiduously. With both of your hands in use how are you going to wave your american flag at the same time?
Rabid, leftist, pregnant chica fucking Doggboy
[QUOTE=Sconjo USA]doggboy, don't make fun at my spelling, you fuck you. While you were going to school, I was fighting wars, you prick. You are no one om my list. You will go down before dickhead now. Ill be there in July. So you better go around in disguise. Sconjo usa[/QUOTE]Hey Hey. Ain't you supposed to advertise that your a pugilist, so smart assed pains like me know where to draw the line! Thanks for fighting the good fight Sconjo, but, hey, enough threats. Poor ol DH posts about viagra and the next thing you know your sizing him up for a nasty combination. Let sleeping dogs lie, or lay, I forget. Remember Salvador Sanchez? Carlos Palomino? Wilfredo Gomez? Forget the politics and anger fellow. I don't mind pissing off the marak5s of the world, but I'd rather not piss off the veterans. I ain't wearing no disguise, and you can find me at the Alamo if your more interested in BA bar fights than BA fucking. Your grateful student deferment buddy,
Dog
hey doggboy, I sent you a reply and I guess it did not go thru. So ill try again. What I said was, that I was just trying to liven things up. And I think I got out of control. Im sorry if I got you fellows uupset. I am so bored with my life. Everything I said about my boxing carer and my war fighting is true. The only thing I got going for me is that I am training and managing 2 good fighters. Maybe you will see one on tv one day, johnny bernardo who is a great light heavy weight and will haywood a black kid whois a middle weight. Other than that. Life sucks here the only girls here are all drug addicts. You can get any one for 20 bucks. And they are all dirty stinken pigs. I can't wait till I can come back to BA. Maybe I can meet you at the alamo and have a few beers an d a few laughs hope there is no hard feelings.
Best wishes to you.
Sconjo USA
I beleive I heard of him, you know there has been so many good fighters pass thru all thease years. I was trained and managed by toney morgano. Toney morgano was a featherweight and he beat 7 world champs and never became a world champ, he was a lefty. I got a light heavy weight that shows good promise. His name is johnny bernardo. He needs to win 3 or 4 more fights. And my people say they may be able to get him a big windupfight on tv. I'm just hoping.
Best wishes to you.
Sconjo USA
Out of curiosity, I popped a 50mg Sildenafil for the first time a few days ago just before going out. I was at a pharmacy earlier in the week and basically just told them "gimme some Viagra". The cost was about 10 pesos for four 50mg pills. Overall I didn't like it and don't plan on taking it again.
I read about the effects on the web and experienced several negative ones. It definitely affected Mini-Moore – about 30 minutes after ingestion I was in Madonna and had a moderate boner just sitting and looking at the girls, but I often get that anyway. Then I was ready to go upstairs and fuck one of my chicas and I went to take a piss. Christ, Mini-Moore was already at half-mast and wouldn't budge when I took him out to piss. I walked out of the men's room with a circus tent in my pants. He didn't really get hard by himself, but the slightest contact/touching caused an almost instant boner.
We began the session and Mini-Moore was standing at full attention before I even dropped-trou. I slammed this poor girl mercilessly for 17 minutes (prepaid the 20 minute session) and he was harder than steel. Harder than usual I'll admit. But he was kind of numb and so was I. It didn't feel nearly as good as it usually does. This was especially evident at T-minus3 when I was ready to blast-off into the girl's face. I had to flog MM [b]much[/b] more than usual and my cumshots, though respectable, were definitely not up to spec under the influence of the drug. Then something happened that I don't ever remember occurring in my life – after busting my nut, MM didn't, wouldn't, and couldn't go down at all! So I went and showered with the girl, MM still pointing due north. I finally talked him down a bit for my exit but still had somewhat of a circus tent reentering the club.
As mentioned, I had side effects. I'm generally quite tolerant of mild drugs – for instance, caffeine, aspirin, and sleeping pills don't affect me at all and I can definitely "hold my own" consuming mass quantities of alcohol. But this drug did me wrong. I had a headache, blurred vision, and just felt woozy, even slurring my words somewhat. My nuts ached the the next day. It actually reduced my sex drive – though Mini-Moore was armed and ready for battle, I didn't have the desire to pound out a 2nd chica and there were several hotties available. How depressing, I felt like a stoned pacifist. Even fucking the first chica wasn't that great, it was more like sticking a steel dildo that wasn't connected to my nervous system in her snatch rapid-fire. My brain, which is the body's most erogenous zone, was numb and dumb.
Feeling quite passive and somewhat disoriented, I left the pussy den. I had drank maybe 4 beers, which is nothing for me. Maybe this was just an initial reaction to a foreign substance and your system later becomes accustomed it. Like chewing tobacco – I became dizzy and puked the first time I took a dip of Copenhagen but then I got used to it.
I don't plan on using the drug again. Has anyone else been affected so severely/negatively? I'm an average sized American guy, about 175 pounds.
Thanks for the guinea pig report. I've never tried it, or others, and don't plan to, until I reach the point where it's the only alternative. When properly "tuned", getting bonerific has never been a problem. While everyone is aware of the possible side effects, I was handed some first hand anecdotal evidence a few years back by my orthopedist in Miami. I was his first scheduled appointment one morning and he was an hour late (very unlike him) Upon showing up, he told me he was on ER call that week at a local hospital, and had been called in the previous night to fix up a compound fractured leg, from a car accident. He said the OR he needed was busy, and he thought, why the fuck can't I get in there asap to fix this lady's leg? Well, he get's in to the OR to see what's going on, and there is some poor bastard in there who's had a hard on for god knows how many hours. My doc says they have got so many needles in the guy's dick that it looks like a porcupine. Apparently, following such an incident, one's ability to ever achieve another erection (EVER) is limited, if not completely futile. I am guessing such a reaction is rare, possibly on par with dying from a bad reaction to medication of some other sort. Even so, recreational use of something with such consequences is not for this little motor scooter. Not yet anyway.
Prudent dog
50 mg is too much for a Moore sized guy. 25 mg much better, much fewer side effects. Agree overall it is not a pleasant pharmaceutical. It has its place if you are in your 40s or 50s with no ED but want a shorter refractory period (recovery time) but it does desensitize ("numb") and make it hard to come. Use only when absolutely necessary. WAY less intense side effects with lower doses and they seem equally effective to me. Even 12.5 mg has noticeable effects for me and also you get a nice morning wood.
Basically you OD'ed. I think the Pfizer publicity machine advocated a larger than necessary dose to make sure the effects were obvious and thus well reported. I took 50 the first couple of times, I think three times, and have taken 25 maybe 8-10 times, and lately 12.5. I wonder if that is a placebo effect. Anyway maybe it would be good to crush it up and mix it in bong hit like we used to do with Quaaludes.
I don't believe Dogg's doctor's story, which should not be construed as not believing Dogg. Or maybe this idiot did 200 mg. Some guys I know do 100 mg and that seems insane to me, but they say it works for them. Me, my head would explode.
Mongers-
I remember seeing a Viagra / Cialis / Levitra commercial (not sure which one) on TV back in NYC area that had a spoken warning "if an erection lasts for more than four hours, seek medical attention immediately". This lends me to believe that the "neverending erection" reported by Doggboy is a genuine possible side-effect that, while obviously rare, occurred on enough occaisons during clinical trials of these drugs to be more than a singular freak occurance experienced by one deranged individual.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
For what it's worth, I agree 100% with DH: if you don't need it don't use it recreationally. I need it and have tried all 3 brands, and find that Levitra and Viagra just give me a headache. Cialis works best for me at 10 or 20 mg, but I suffer with an acid stomach for the next few days. It has the advantage, though, of lasting 24 hours so I'm good for a morning session after having one the night before; sort of like a two-for-one.
The "dead wood" effect that Moore refers to can happen with all of them, and is extremely frustrating. Cialis has less of an effect that way, at least on me. As a result, I have some left over Levitra tabs if anyone wants to give it a try (will trade for a beer or maybe even a couple of good phone numbers;) The one thing I would strongly advise against is buying off-branded product, such as is available by mail order from places like India. The strength and quality is likely to be very variable.
My first time using viagra started as a lark really. I was married at the time and a friend had been in an accident and had very bad ED. He had some 100 mg tabs and we started talking. The wife was there and she laughingly said I should try one so my friend gave me one. That night we shipped the kids to a sitter I took the WHOLE FUCKING 100 mg pill. With in 20 min or so my dick just started getting hard. Sort of growing with each heart beat. It eventually got harder than my dick has ever been and was painfull, we started fucking and no shit fucked on and off, more on than off, for the next 8 hours or so. I had a bad headache the whole time. I had a hard time coming but eventually did. I had taken it at about 2000 hours we fell asleep around 4, slept until 11 or so and I woke up with the same hard on and a killer headache. Around 3 that afternoon it finally went down.
Over the years I have played around with smaller doses as DH describes and really don't like the drug all that much. For me if I want to have a lot of sex over a short period of time I use half a 20mg cealis. I get a bit of the stomach thing but not too bad. What I like about cealis is I don't walk around with a hard on but when I start fucking I get a really hard boner. I'm 43 and don't suffer from ED but as most guys my age its not like it was when I was 18. Hard but not real hard (sorry to much info I know) with cealis I can penetrate even the tightest of bungholes, important for those of us who like to explore the final frontier (Stowe you sick fuck) and don't lose my erection if I decide to lap some pussy between getting a blowjob and fucking. 10 mg of cealis generally stays effective for between 36 and 48 hours for me. It was perfect for the trips I used to make before moving here.
I made a post about it somewhere awhile back - in short, the uptake of drug compound into your system is what matters, not the dosage. All individuals are different in terms of compound absorption, one general reason why an equal dosage will have significantly different effects is due to increased uptake absorption due to an individual's specific physiology, or more likely mixing or ingesting certain foods or drinks while taking various medications.
In the specific case of sildenafil (Viagra) taking or ingesting flavenoid rich foods will significantly decrease your ability to break the drug compound down and therefore a significantly higher concentration will be absorbed into your system. In effect, popping a 50mg pill can have the same effect as if you had taken 50-300% more.
Add alcohol into the mix and it's not really relevant to gauge the legitimate side effects of any drug based on that scenario.